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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shrike on January 19, 2002, 05:41:00 am
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Well, I had a little discussion with Sandwich, and we got on to the topic of premarital sex. (I won't explain how it got there, I don't want you guys to get a bad impression of my barhopping habits)
So the question is, do you agree with premarital sex?
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Originally posted by Shrike:
Well, I had a little discussion with Sandwich, and we got on to the topic of premarital sex. (I won't explain how it got there, I don't want you guys to get a bad impression of my barhopping habits)
So the question is, do you agree with premarital sex?
*mutters* oh, no - he actually posted it... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) */mutters*
Ummm... no. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 01-19-2002).]
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And as a counterpoint, I do.
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??? Anyone else would have posted that, it would have been owned in the second (see last Killmenow thread (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) )
premarital sex? Of course, what's the use of waiting being married?
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I think if you love each other enough, then yeh, (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
i agree with premarital sex (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif)
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Originally posted by Wildlife:
I think if you love each other enough, then yeh, (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Yeah - get married, then go all out. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Yeah - get married, then go all out. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
and if you don't want to marry, you don't go through? great, very wise lol, oh to make a guy (and a girl, by the same way) go nuts in one lesson (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Heck no. No no no no. Apart from my Christian beliefs, there's a lot of common sense things that say no to premarital sex. If I get married, what am I going to tell my wife? "Sorry dear, I did have sex with quite a few girls before I met you, so you're really nothing special." What about my kids? "Sure kids, it's cool, you can have premarital sex! I mean, stuff it, free loving guys!" No. Absolutely not.
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Married or not, what's the difference? Love is love...
And I'm not talking about having sex with every girl you meet on the street, but let's say, you are going to marry a girl next week, whats the difference between today and next week? Wearing a ring, having the same name? That does change nothing on their feelings.
Actually, if two people really love each other they do not have to swear eternal love, they just do it.
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I don't see any common sense here. If you never "knew" any girl before your wife, what you'll you think once you get married? When you'll see that pretty chick sat down in that cfe, won't you wonder how she wold be in bed? You'll think about how much you've missed. If you marry your wife for her sexual "level", hem, that's sad, sorry to tell that.
And for kids, what's the pb? My parents have no pb about me having sex with my girlfriends. It's how you learn about life, dude! About christrian stuff, I don't know much about that, but isn't it said that all creatures are equal in front of god? i don't think aniumals wait to be married before "going throu" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif). that's not very equal isn't it? And having sex with someone "untriggers" some stuff, after that you behave differently with each other. And then you know the other one better, and sometimes you know it's time to run away, believe me.
Oh well, anyway, it's pretty useless, coz the ones who says "no!!!" won't be convinced, and the one who says "yes" don't give a damn about the other's reasons. So pointless thread.
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Very simple.
Do you buy a car without test driving it??
Then why commit the rest of your life with someone without "test driving"?
It's already a fact that ALOT of divorces came about simply because the couple weren't compatable in bed. Some ppl may think it's evil incarnate, but it's merely fact.
Sometimes you just can't stop those nasty genetic urges lol
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No, I don't believe in it, unless you really,really love that person, and are willing to get married.
What I don't believe in are one-night stands and prostitutes.
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No.
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'married sex, drugs, rock'n'roll' just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Anyhow, if you want your marriage to last then you're gonna need to know how to please yer bird on the honeymoon. The only way to do so is to practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, get a drink, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, sleep, practice, practice, get a sandwich ( (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/squeeze.gif) ), goto work.
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Originally posted by an0n:
practice etc.
Make sure you have all the proper safetey gear first, or lots of unpleasant things could happen...
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Yeah, just ask the good people at iwangf.com (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif).
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Originally posted by Thorn:
Make sure you have all the proper safetey gear first, or lots of unpleasant things could happen...
Problem with that is, its hardly 100% effective and An0n is treating it like some sort of game.
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Life is a game. Play it well and use a joystick.
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True, but if youre going to do it, you're better off taking every precaution you can...
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Yeah, if you crack the plastic on your joystick you could get electrocuted....or crash the game!!!
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Originally posted by an0n:
Anyhow, if you want your marriage to last then you're gonna need to know how to please yer bird on the honeymoon. The only way to do so is to practice, practice,....
Hmmm, interesting concept here. Are you saying that if you marry, it won't matter if you love each other or not if your or their sexual performance does not reflect frequent pratice? Because I had thought that 2 people marry because they love each other for who they are, not what their batting average is.
In my book, love has a very specific definition: willingness to go out of the way for the benefit of others, even if that means that you yourself will be incovieneinced.
The ultimate expression of love is to lay your life down to save someone else. Sacrificing all, for someone else's good.
Therefore, if I love someone, it won't matter what faults they may have. I love them for who they are, not who I want them to be. And nobody on this board can honestly say that they do not desire to be loved for just being who they are, faults and everything.
So, to get back on topic - I consider sex to be of very special significance (and it's obvious that the rest of the world does, seeing as how so much of the entertainment world revolves around sex). It is something that I want to keep solely for my future wife and I - it is the signing of the marrige agreement.
Venom, I agree that the likelyhood of this discussion ever getting anywhere is slim, but I don't see it as my job to convince anyone that what I believe is right. I'll just "enjoy" seeing everyone's opinions and replies - as long as they're civil. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 01-19-2002).]
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Originally posted by Wildlife:
I think if you love each other enough, then yeh, (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
i agree with premarital sex (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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And you think that self sacrifice is a good thing?
Self-sacrifice is bull-**** . Self preservation at ALL costs. If someone has been put in a position where you could decide wether they will die deserves to die.
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I dont think that was what he was trying to say.....
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As far as I am concerned, sex of any kind is equal to stupidity of the highest order. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (and I'm pretty much an atheist)
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Well...I never thought I'd see this pop up on the forums...anyways, to add my teo cents (which are worth absolutly nothing, but...you're gettin' 'em anyways...like when a bum washes your windshield...but that's another story...
Anywho, I really don't see a problem with premarital sex. It's just yet another way of expressing your love for another human being. I really don't see why it should be something you have to wait for to experience. Of course, i don't approve of prositution or sleeping with any woman you can get your gruby hands on. That's just sick, and really shows how pathetic you are.
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Originally posted by sandwich:
I'll just "enjoy" seeing everyone's opinions and replies - as long as they're civil. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
well, I prefer to enjoy certain stuff other peoples deny to themselves because of strange beliefs (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
well, I prefer to enjoy certain stuff other peoples deny to themselves because of strange beliefs (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
...I don't think I want to know what you meant by that...
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anyways, to add my teo cents (which are worth absolutly nothing...)
Disney Dollars!
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Originally posted by delta_7890:
...I don't think I want to know what you meant by that...
nothing wrong, you sick mind (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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i cant be bothered to read the thread but no premarital sex is an utterly lucicrous idea.
A society that practises that would have a huge number of divorces.
Hey - why dont we allsay no to conraception while we're about it?
No contest. You **HAVE** to know what you're getting into, and as far as im concerned marriage means you want to spend the rest of your life with that person. It might mean something else to the rest of you but thats my 2 quid.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Apart from my Christian beliefs, there's a lot of common sense things that say no to premarital sex.
Agreed.
Sorry to bring more religous beliefs into this topic, I know some people dont enjoy reading them. Anyway, the Bible says not to fornicate, and not to commit adultry. (I can find the scripture references if you want them for any reason) The Bible being the living word of God, and God breathed, and my belief is to follow God's instructions... I believe premarital sex is wrong. I know I'm sinful, but these two sins I dont plan on ever committing within my lifetime.
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Originally posted by wEvil:
i cant be bothered to read the thread but no premarital sex is an utterly lucicrous idea.
A society that practises that would have a huge number of divorces.
Ummmm... has anyone checked out the current divorce rates for the US or UK?
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Originally posted by Ulala:
Agreed.
Sorry to bring more religous beliefs into this topic, I know some people dont enjoy reading them. Anyway, the Bible says not to fornicate, and not to commit adultry. (I can find the scripture references if you want them for any reason) The Bible being the living word of God, and God breathed, and my belief is to follow God's instructions... I believe premarital sex is wrong. I know I'm sinful, but these two sins I dont plan on ever committing within my lifetime.
hmm, I won't comment about the religious stuff, but to you premarital sex= adultry or fornication? huh.
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I already had it before i even think about marieing, but i don't like to go whit every girl that i can get my hands on thats just sick. I don't ask a girl i wait until she want's it if she doesn't want it in the course of our releation ship then it doesn't bother to me. And if i like a girl and vica versa then it must be atleast a longer then a 5 month relationship before i/her comit to it. And it must be fun to do not every day or 3 times a day, once a week or maby once in every 2 months is just fine by me or no sex i don't realy care about it any way.
As for premarital sex i think thats for everyone's own decision and or religion they follow.
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Absolutely. Are you not allowed to love someone before you get married? Is it immoral to know what all that's about before you get chained for a significant part of your life to the first girl you wanna knock up? There's nothing "Christian" about the decision- Catholics, the very first christians, were known libertines for centuries. If you're more of the Protestant persuasion, well, half the Protestant religions were founded because some guy wanted to shag whoever took his interest- King Henry VIII? Brigham Young? Jesus Christ himself was concieved outta wedlock- your entire faith is predicated on the idea that Mary's husband, Joseph, was NOT the father. Up until the recent few centuries nobody was all that uptight about bastardry and what was involved there, short of a few elitist upper class prigs who were obsessed with pure bloodlines and some zealots looking for an excuse to torture and kill those different from them. Guess who started the recent fad of hating all the basic body functions? That's right, our good old friends in black hats with belt buckles, the Puritans. They were shipped out of England to an untamed hellhole of a colony specifically BECAUSE they were annoying, self-righteous ******** , and by some freak accident, they not only survived, but took over a continent, and that continent culturally took over Europe and all subsidiaries. Name the point in the Bible where it specifically says you can't bang before getting married- sure, they've got a commandment saying you shouldn't go sneaking around w/ your neighbor's wife, but that's just plain bad manners. You could probably quote something obscure from Leviticus that suggests it, but I dare you to try and use the Old Testament- just try. If you wanted to take the religious, sanctimonious aspect on this, you'd better be prepared to go the full way and do the only thing the Bible actually says is good- TOTAL chastity, TOTAL abstinence. I'll see you in a cave without food, water, or electricity. Just like a saint.
"It's not Christian" has been used for every sort of personal prudery in history, from eating certain meats to sex to the lightbulb to being a Jew. It's how maniacs and the uninformed defend their personal prejudices- nothing more.
Just try defending the "It's not Christian" standpoint. Just try. Ignore everything Jesus said about love and see whether I can humiliate you on your own ground. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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It would be interesting to know what percent of the "No Premarital Sex" camp are in fact still virgins.
There's an easy loophole, anyway. If you never get married, then none of your sex is premarital! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/devil.gif)
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
I'll see you in a cave without food, water, or electricity. Just like a saint.
No HLP?!?
"faints"
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bah, premaritial or postmaritial, what's the difference? it's all idiotic in the extreme anyway... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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It's not supposed to be an intellectual pursuit, CP. MAybe that's the problem here... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I like sex, but i don't like do it as fast as or extreme like a rabit hopping up and down there must be love in it or it isn't fun.
But thats my opinion.
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they dont call me the energizer bunny or nothing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/devil.gif)
Joking aside,
Dont get me started on religion, or i'll offend a whole bunch of people.
Premarital sex is a must in a stable relationship. Its an important bonding experience, and while not totally **essential**, it kinda helps.
And those statistics are not 100% accurate, probably just a minor cross-section from a few reigional records. Even if it was fully representative, statistics can be made to support any argument you choose.
My 4 quid now :P
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Originally posted by ZylonBane:
It would be interesting to know what percent of the "No Premarital Sex" camp are in fact still virgins.
There's an easy loophole, anyway. If you never get married, then none of your sex is premarital! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/devil.gif)
But its always premarital until you marry and you personally will never know(during your life on earth) whether you'll get married or not.
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Wow... I can't believe this topic has survived this long. But I'll go ahead and throw a word or two in:
No.
1. I believe it's an extremely terrible sin.
2. Bad for society. Look at the last century- premarital sex and general fornication go up... and go figure, so does the divorce rate!
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Ok, let's redefine the question: Sex outside of marriage - yes or no. Better?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY!!!!!!!!!
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Sex with someone else while already married?! Hell no! That's about as low as you can go in my book.
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Ok, let's redefine the question: Sex outside of marriage - yes or no. Better?
That's way different. I would lose all pride if I was married and went somewhere else.
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Sorry - that's not what I meant. I mean, sex with someone you're not married to. Doesn't matter whether you're ever going to get married or not.
EDIT: On second thought, this is interesting. You have strong reactions against adultery, but fornication is ok. Hmmm... if having sex with others while not married isn't a big deal, then sex must not have much meaning. So if it doesn't have that much meaning, why the big deal about being married and having sex with someone who is not your partner?
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[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 01-19-2002).]
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Sorry - that's not what I meant. I mean, sex with someone you're not married to. Doesn't matter whether you're ever going to get married or not.
Hmm, well that's kind of what I meant..... have a gf, have fun, break up, repeat. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Oh, well, I don't see any pb, it's nature after all. Mmh, since the begining I wonder why I keep posting about this subject. Going to lay off now, coz it's really a waste of time...
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aye, but an interesting one at that.
In terms of sex INSIDE of marriage, it depends on the particular factors involved.
Anyway..its past my bedtime. Im going to have s** now :P
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Why the big taboo over sex? I sense some religious zealousy filling the air (server) and I don't like it. Strkye, Those puritans obviously weren't shipped far enough. May I suggest the moon as a destination for anyone with a simmilar problem in future.
Just for those "I believe 100% of what the bible says" people amongst us, here's Top Gun's big ol' list of quotes that you also must believe:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son. . . bring him out unto the elders of his city. . .And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. . ."
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Premarital sex is bad Stoning children to death is good.
Malachi 2:3
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces." - don't knock it until you've tried it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Deuteronomy 28:53
"And thou shalt eat of the fruit of thine own body, that of thy sons and of thy daughers, which the LORD thy God hath given thee" - No premarital sex for you guys but you can eat your children if you like.
.......and you can forget all of that scientific mumbo-jumbo here's what really goes on (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
Clouds are gods footprints in Heaven - "The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet" (Nahum 1:3).
The disabled have been "smited" by him - "And the Lord said unto [Moses], Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord ?" (Exodus 4:11). "And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season" (Luke 1:20).
God causes thunder and Lightning - "Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth" (Job 37:2-3).
Hemorrhoids are one of god's ways of punishing sinners (he must have smited the VBB then (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) ) -"The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed" (Deuteronomy 28:27). "But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof" (1 Samuel 5:6).
And so ends Pastor Greg's Bible study class for today.
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OMG (not pun intented), at least that's funny to read (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
Why the big taboo over sex? I sense some religious zealousy filling the air (server) and I don't like it. Strkye, Those puritans obviously weren't shipped far enough. May I suggest the moon as a destination for anyone with a simmilar problem in future.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif) You may not like it, but your sure doing your part to inflame it.
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Sorry - that's not what I meant. I mean, sex with someone you're not married to. Doesn't matter whether you're ever going to get married or not.
EDIT: On second thought, this is interesting. You have strong reactions against adultery, but fornication is ok. Hmmm... if having sex with others while not married isn't a big deal, then sex must not have much meaning. So if it doesn't have that much meaning, why the big deal about being married and having sex with someone who is not your partner?
It really isn't the act of sex so much as it being sex with someone else while commiting your life to your spouse. It's one of the deepest forms of betrayal. My perspective is that you should only commit your love to one person at a time, the person you have vowed to spend the rest of your life with. (Though that is a rarity nowadays) If you can't find yourself loving you spouse, and have strong feelings for another person, just divorce. I don't know...it's a hard thing to explain really.
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Ya know what's interesting....most of the "hardcore" Christian families I know..I mean the if you so much as defy you're parents once as a child you're in danger of going to hell type...all the kids are hopping beds at 14 and under even. My best bud's GF knows two gals like that...one of whom's folks built a seperate room just to hold the roughly 1200 versions of the bible they own,..yet she's only 15 and had damned near as many partners as I've had at 27 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
But everything aside the answer...n all reality is very very very simple.
It's each persons choice. part of the problem in this world is most ppl,..especially the more religious types (no offense to anyone) do tend to be a bit more pushy in the "If it's what I belive then you must belive it also."
Best way to view it,..If do you sex b4, during, after, on the side, in public, on mars whatever is good and fair..go for it, on the other hand if you view it has a sin..ok fine..just sit back and laugh all of the ppl you belive will go to hell, niether group will EVER change for the other, just live your life in the way it's best for YOU and YOUR family.
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Originally posted by Warlock:
Ya know what's interesting....most of the "hardcore" Christian families I know..I mean the if you so much as defy you're parents once as a child you're in danger of going to hell type...all the kids are hopping beds at 14 and under even. My best bud's GF knows two gals like that...one of whom's folks built a seperate room just to hold the roughly 1200 versions of the bible they own,..yet she's only 15 and had damned near as many partners as I've had at 27 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
But everything aside the answer...n all reality is very very very simple.
It's each persons choice. part of the problem in this world is most ppl,..especially the more religious types (no offense to anyone) do tend to be a bit more pushy in the "If it's what I belive then you must belive it also."
Best way to view it,..If do you sex b4, during, after, on the side, in public, on mars whatever is good and fair..go for it, on the other hand if you view it has a sin..ok fine..just sit back and laugh all of the ppl you belive will go to hell, niether group will EVER change for the other, just live your life in the way it's best for YOU and YOUR family.
I dont think its a mortal sin, so if you do, do it, it wont condemn you to hell.
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All I was saying...and not directed at any in the thread.,..just in general,...was alot of the folks that do belive it's a sin, bad, evil, or even just poor taste,..do tend to attempt pushing that belief upon others.
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there are several reasons not to have pre-marital sex, even if you are in a relationship.
1. if you have a kid, he or she won't have both a father and a mother living together which is all but essential if you want your kid to grow up normal. and if you are gonna live together then why not just get married?
2. you might get (or give) an STD. are you gonna ask him or her to go get tested during the spur of the moment?
Bob walks in and grabs Bobbet by the waist, wresting her to the ground. They both laugh, then start kissing, then Bob looks deeply into Bobbet's eyes and says..."Let's get tested for aids." yeah right (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
3. your a slut! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
or at least it might seem that way to some people, maybe even to you're spouse or possibly even you.
4. what if you break up? maybe the next person won't want to get serious because you've already had it?
5. you're family might not approve. you might say to yourself "it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks!" but come on, you know it does.
6. YOU'RE A SLUT!!!! YOU WHORE!!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Zeronet:
I dont think its a mortal sin, so if you do, do it, it wont condemn you to hell.
umm...every sin condemns you to hell. if you steal a peice of candy from your little brother, you're going to hell. why? because heaven requires 100% perfectness. would you drink a glass of water if it had just one tiny drop of cyanide in it?
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Originally posted by Carl:
6. YOU'RE A SLUT!!!! YOU WHORE!!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
You say that like its a bad thing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Premarital sex is fine by me as long as it's with a member of the opposite sex and it's a human (/same species).
As for the religion thing, I sugggest you peeps sit down and actually read your respective holy books. The bible is full of all sorts of **** :
If you sleep with a girl you MUST marry her, but if her father refuses to let you then you must pay him.
You can stone homosexuals to death (really, it's not a sin)
I even think there's something in there about not f-ing your ox.
But if you don't have time, just read the book of Job and you'll see how petty and smug God is.
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Bob walks in and grabs Bobbet by the waist, wresting her to the ground. They both laugh, then start kissing, then Bob looks deeply into Bobbet's eyes and says..."Let's get tested for aids." yeah right
I did something along those lines. It didn't go down too well.
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Keep it civil people. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by an0n:
If you sleep with a girl you MUST marry her, but if her father refuses to let you then you must pay him.
You can stone homosexuals to death (really, it's not a sin)
I even think there's something in there about not f-ing your ox.
But if you don't have time, just read the book of Job and you'll see how petty and smug God is.
you pay the father compensation for defiling his daughter. it doesn't make it no longer a sin if you pay.'
you can't just start throwing rocks at gay people. in olden times it was a method of capital punishment.
and Job got all his stuff back and more.
besides, all those laws were part of the old covenent.
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I didn't bother to read the new testament. The whole Jesus thing sounds like a pile of **** to me. I prefered the vengeful, angry God in the Old Testament.
I think the Bible is pretty much just a compendium of sci-fi stories that were grouped together coz they all featured God. I mean all that stuff about the Valley of Death sounds soooo like a ship to me. And the burning stuff that doesn't burn could easily be a holographic system. Not that I'm a scientologist or anything (Travolta sucks).
And I do realise that someone will probably say that I've got things the wrong way round and sci-fi was influenceed by the Bible yada yada yada......
And about the gay people thing: If you stoned one to death and were taken to trial I'd bet my *** that when you testified they'd make you swear on the very same bible that told you to do it in the first place.
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hey, that's a good way to get out of it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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You know the one thing ppl forget about??
The entire christian relegion is based off a a book written by a person about a supernatural being. All well and good...but do not forget the "Written by a person", ie man/woman NORMAL not God or Christ himself.
I've yet to meet a man or woman that was not at least slightly bias to lend towards personal beliefs.
Thus the word of God,...written by man, would most likely be a tad bit ...embelished we'll say.
But what the hey (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) If premarital sex leads me to hell...least I'll be warm and won't have those damned harps all over the place (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (joking)
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You know, Ive been thinking about this, and Ive decided, its none of your damn business what two consenting people do together...
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This topic is really getting huge... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Anyway since everyone is voicing out their full opinion on religion, I might as well do the same. I think the whole concept of religion was originally conceived for two reasons, one of which was to bring about a general order and law into civilizations. People obeyed these "laws" pretty much out of fear for their god. The other purpose of religion was to explain the natural phenomena that science could not.
We as a species have progressed a good deal since then, and religion has served its purpose in my opinion and is no longer of any use. Governments now take up the position that was once filled by god in the minds of people (obedience to a set of laws and fear of punishment when they are not adhered to), and science has come a very long way since the original religious texts were written. (it was earlier accepted that god created the universe, now the big bang has taken up the place)
Also, most religions I have seen seem to have a general inflexibility to the changing of times that has caused problems over the years, and more lives have been lost over religious arguments than any other issue I can think of. For example, there is a lot of nonsense in the Bible (or any other religious text, for that matter) which can be interpreted in almost an infinite number of different ways. (none of which have any material backing or trustworthy historical evidence for their truth)
(lol I could go on for hours on philosophy)
However, everyone has his her own views upon the matter, and I hold nothing against people who feel different from me. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Sex is still stupid though. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
It's not supposed to be an intellectual pursuit, CP. MAybe that's the problem here... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
so um, what's the point of it? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
You know, Ive been thinking about this, and Ive decided, its none of your damn business what two consenting people do together...
I agree with that; as long as it does not disturb the peace of others people should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they want.
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Next we'll be quoting Bill Cliton's definition of sexual (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Since each relegion has it's own "you can do it at THIS time but only in THIS manner/style"
So I propose this...if you think sex ouot of marriage is bad...what about in different "manners" (no not 'gay') than the Bible or whatever you're 'book of god' may be (Sorry I don't know the title to each religion's book,..forgive the ignorance, it's not disrespect.)
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Koran (quoran?)
Torah
Bible
Guru Granth Sahib (sp?)
...are the main ones.
And if God created man in his own image then we're all perfect right?
If sex before marriage was a sin then all those people who were around before the bible and its definition of marriage are screwed (figuratively and literally).
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Actually on that accord,..I guess Adam and Eve REALLY pissed off the old man eh? There was no concept of marriage then and if you add in the idea that they're the mother and father of mankind,...well...at a sin per session...one enterity in hell each....well you get the point (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Wow, this is a hot topic now.
The key thing with this discussion is that everyone continues to respect the decisions, beliefs and opinions of others. So thats my first opinion on premarital sex. So I say its absolutely alright for others to engage in such activity. I would hope they would be careful, reasonable, and smart about it, but I know that some won't and so whats the point in arguing.
As for myself, I don't think I can say yes or no but the most important point would be that the person would have to be very very special to me.
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Originally posted by an0n:
Koran (quoran?)
Torah
Bible
Guru Granth Sahib (sp?)
...are the main ones.
And if God created man in his own image then we're all perfect right?
If sex before marriage was a sin then all those people who were around before the bible and its definition of marriage are screwed (figuratively and literally).
Religion is always a volitile subject. It comes down to the simple fact that humans require a set of beliefs to live life. To tell someone that what they believe is wrong is to take the foundation of their perception of everything around them and claim it's bullsh1t. It's hard enough to make sense of life without someone telling you that everything you believe is wrong.
I'm probably a weirdo, I constructed my belief system out of aspects of catholisim, christianity, jedi-isim (yep you read that right even if it isn't really a word), science and a few drops of blind faith.
I try to do the right thing, I try to help people without expecting reward and I'd give my life for the people I love. In short I treat people the way I hope they'll treat me.
Oh and I believe in God, God exists and nothing you can tell me to the contrary will ever make me believe any different. If you come up with some scientific proof that God cannot exist I'll still believe in him/her/it.
In all of this I always keep one thing in mind, I'm not right, I'm only right for me and I'll never tell anyone that they are wrong because that invalidates my right to believe what I want to.
So to actually get round to sticking this mumbo jumbo in context with this discussion I think premarital sex is OK if you believe it is the right (moral?) thing to do...
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Originally posted by an0n:
And if God created man in his own image then we're all perfect right?
*sigh* If you'd blow the dust off of that old black book you're grandmother gave you and actually read the first chapter or two then you'd know that when created, we were perfect. Our fall from grace was orchistrated by 'the North Star' (you get a cookie if you can figure that reference out) and we became imperfect beings when we disobeyed god's command and consumed the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
If sex before marriage was a sin then all those people who were around before the bible and its definition of marriage are screwed (figuratively and literally).
Once again, you're guilty of not knowing what you're talking about. The act of sex consummates a marriage, it is what creates it, not the exchange of vows or all the other silvery trappings the secular world has attached to it (although to be legally recognized within the US it does need to be witnessed by the appropriate officials (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif))
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Sex, in and of itself, is an action. Its not moral or immortal, right or wrong. Its like breathing. Its built into us. Sex is a natural part of the human species, coded into the very essence of our being. The key word here is 'natural'.
Religion, marriage, and their trappings, are not natural. They are an artificial construct of Man. As such, they come kind of late to the whole organic reproduction party. Man was having sex before religion and marriage.
Sex is a natural, wonderful thing. Why cloud it up with all that extraneous and irrelevent folderol? If you feel its the right thing for the two of you and your partner feels its the right thing for the two of you, its okay. If its not right for either or both of you, its not okay. Its a pretty simple thing.
BTW, wasn't Lucifer called 'the Morning Star' not the 'North Star'?
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And ummm if the act of sex itself constitutes marriage, not vows and the other such "trappings",...then why is it nearly ALL relegions have a certain manner in which a marriage is to be preformed. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif)
[joke]
And I've yet to see a bride and groom knock the boots at wedding.
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Originally posted by mikhael:
BTW, wasn't Lucifer called 'the Morning Star' not the 'North Star'?
I believe that's correct. It sounds right to me, anyhow.
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This is a quote I've heard in various forms--
"Christianity: The belief that an immortal, all-seeing, all-powerful being has an intimate interest in my sex life."
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Sex is a natural part of the human species, coded into the very essence of our being. The key word here is 'natural'.
ah, that's a good reason to despise it right there. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)ps! you're all right, it is the 'Morning star'. I was mixing my references up a little (I'm constant as the north star). Anyway, I always love discussions like these (I find them to be quite fun... as long as they don't turn into flame-wars.
Remember, only YOU can prevent forum-fires.)
Originally posted by Warlock:
And ummm if the act of sex itself constitutes marriage, not vows and the other such "trappings",...then why is it nearly ALL relegions have a certain manner in which a marriage is to be preformed. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif)
[joke]
And I've yet to see a bride and groom knock the boots at wedding.
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Because Pharasies and Priests need to justify their existance just as badly as Lawers and Polititians do (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
...and I would love to see the pictures of THAT wedding (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Originally posted by mikhael:
Sex is a natural part of the human species, coded into the very essence of our being. The key word here is 'natural'.
well so is peeing but is it right to go around peeing anywhere you want? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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You've never relieved yourself in the most inappropriate places?
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)ps! you're all right, it is the 'Morning star'. I was mixing my references up a little (I'm constant as the north star). Anyway, I always love discussions like these (I find them to be quite fun... as long as they don't turn into flame-wars.
Remember, only YOU can prevent forum-fires.)
Because Pharasies and Priests need to justify their existance just as badly as Lawers and Polititians do (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
...and I would love to see the pictures of THAT wedding (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Soon as I get hitched I'll send you a copy of the film (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) LMAO !
Hey...if I'm getting married I might as well make sure it's married by every standard,..so what if a few hundred ppl gotta watch eh?
"No no hunny don't be shy,...oh move a little left so I'm out of this angle will ya?"
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Warlock, I don't even want a mental picture of that, so I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that
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the most inappropriate places? you mean on a person's head or in their food? none that come to mind.
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If you gotta go, you gotta go....
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Originally posted by Carl:
well so is peeing but is it right to go around peeing anywhere you want? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Yea but noone's saying you have to be wed to pee (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
We're not ,..or at least weren't in the begining,..referring to sex in odd places,..just out of wedlock.
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Originally posted by Carl:
the most inappropriate places? you mean on a person's head or in their food? none that come to mind.
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Urination comes naturally. Urination on another individual or in their food never came up on my list of natural urges. Trees, sure. Food and people? Nope.
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ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM
"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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"not even if you were on fire"
Sorry just popped right in there.
Personally,..if on fire...I'd much rather you take a small moment to fetch some water if you please (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I'd be too busy rolling on the ground and screaming to care much
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Naaaaaaah
Pain's merely all in the mind.
Control your mind...you can control the world.
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Originally posted by Warlock:
Control your mind...you can control the world.
Remember who you're talking to (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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only we would go from premarital sex to pee.
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Originally posted by Warlock:
Hey...if I'm getting married I might as well make sure it's married by every standard,..so what if a few hundred ppl gotta watch eh?
"No no hunny don't be shy,...oh move a little left so I'm out of this angle will ya?"
ROFLMAO! You could probably charge admission fees to that wedding (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
I think we've answered the question on why we need weddings to get married... basically as a public announcement that you are married. Very important in old testament times, remember that adultry was a captial offense (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Notice how quickly the topic changes....
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Originally posted by Carl:
only we would go from premarital sex to pee.
YOu have no one to blame but yourself, Carl. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) You brought it up. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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I blame myself really
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Where has this sick and humorous topic gone too... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
this topic is worth two cents; the same amount the comics in the Saturday West are worth (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Originally posted by Blue Lion:
I blame myself really
I blame you too (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Originally posted by Carl:
only we would go from premarital sex to pee.
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR
COMPUTERS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN.
YOUR FORUM WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
Heh (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
Just for those "I believe 100% of what the bible says" people amongst us, here's Top Gun's big ol' list of quotes that you also must believe:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son. . . bring him out unto the elders of his city. . .And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. . ."
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Premarital sex is bad Stoning children to death is good.
Malachi 2:3
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces." - don't knock it until you've tried it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Deuteronomy 28:53
"And thou shalt eat of the fruit of thine own body, that of thy sons and of thy daughers, which the LORD thy God hath given thee" - No premarital sex for you guys but you can eat your children if you like.
Notice however that all of these references are from the Old Testiment. The law changed from the OT to the NT and over time. Try to understand all the Bible has to say before criticizing it.
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Alright, let's get away from the urination (someone here has a weird fetish (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)) and back to the sex!
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(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) thank you Carl for getting us back on topic.
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bah, screw the sex and go to the mechanics ("http://news.lugnet.com/technic/?n=6405&t=i&v=a") ! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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DAMN!! Check out that centerfold! Man, is she ever stacked! ( with gears that is (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif))
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lol yeah I should probably make that section a bit cleaner. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by CP5670:
lol yeah I should probably make that section a bit cleaner. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
That's your work, CP?
DAMN. I love my legos, but DAMN. You da man. Got any mecha I can ogle adoringly? *grin*
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http://www.404error.com
ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM
"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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Originally posted by Thorn:
You know, Ive been thinking about this, and Ive decided, its none of your damn business what two consenting people do together...
I'm with Thorn on this one.
If she gets pregnant, you better take care of her though. Guys who ditch pregnant girls are the lowliest of the low.
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ok......i just got in, havent been on since jan 19 morning eastern time right. and i come back tonight, 3:14 am, eastern Jan 20th.....in 1 day, this has been the most talked bout topic i am assumingin HLPBB history lol............. seriously, i never seen such a topic grazed like this especially a non freespace related question. hell even real life makes its way onto cyberspace.
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well heres my TWO CENTS.
-Its funny that you guys brought up sex. i was talking to a friend of mine i go clubing with, and tonight before i got in and got online to see the forums, we were talking about how she has had sexual issues in the past, enough to really be ashamed of, shes 22. so imagine. i compare that to myself being i am 19, i have done the same actions, only accept i wasnt the one taking advantage of anyone. mind u we r both not married. so if ur asking is it bad to have premarital sex, its really diffrent from person to person. some people rather wait till there married (but that is also a myth as well, its ok to unlock yourself mentally and welcome sex the second u get married). but in reality, its all about really who your feeling having sex with (if u havent yet), and if your both mentally, physically, and possibly spiritually ready. its really, up to you to decide if its bad or good. no one else, to say sex is bad before marridge i am sorry, is following the masses opinion. thus being a follower. hoesntly if u find the one u want to do it with, go for it, especially if ur partner feels she/he's ready for it.
i do alot of sexual education on the side for alot of high school students by my old HS, and i work partime in a adolencset clinic, and i get this sorta questions all the time. if u want details or more help or advice on this subject shrike and sandwich, feel free to email me.
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Originally posted by mikhael:
Sex, in and of itself, is an action. Its not moral or immortal, right or wrong. Its like breathing. Its built into us. Sex is a natural part of the human species, coded into the very essence of our being. The key word here is 'natural'.
Religion, marriage, and their trappings, are not natural. They are an artificial construct of Man. As such, they come kind of late to the whole organic reproduction party. Man was having sex before religion and marriage.
Sex is a natural, wonderful thing. Why cloud it up with all that extraneous and irrelevent folderol? If you feel its the right thing for the two of you and your partner feels its the right thing for the two of you, its okay. If its not right for either or both of you, its not okay. Its a pretty simple thing.
totally agree with this as well. some good advice guys! i dunno bout u all, cause u know, its diff from town to town how secual acts are achieved or thought about, but overhere in NYC, yo, honestly although i said what i said, cats would look at u or i for saying such things as if gay. but thats there imaturity and ignorence and thats whyt hey have 2 baby mommas and possibly an STD. its a natrual act. go for it. just ake sure the person its with is worth it.
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Wow - talk about concieving a monster, Shrike! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Before I begin, keep in mind that everythnig I say here is my personal beliefs, and that even if I say that I believe something is wrong/sin, I'm not going to condemn you or push for you to chnge your way. As a born-again Christian I see much of what's going on in the world today as sinful, but I'm not out on the streets preaching hellfire and damnnation. If somebody asks me about my faith, great. If not - no problem.
Originally posted by Warlock:
Ya know what's interesting....most of the "hardcore" Christian families I know..I mean the if you so much as defy you're parents once as a child you're in danger of going to hell type...all the kids are hopping beds at 14 and under even. My best bud's GF knows two gals like that...one of whom's folks built a seperate room just to hold the roughly 1200 versions of the bible they own,..yet she's only 15 and had damned near as many partners as I've had at 27
Unfortunately this is quite true, but don't get me started on the state of Christianity today. Let's just say that "the world" and "chistianity" are not black and white - they have the smoothest gradient of greys imaginable between them. I find that troubling, personally.
Originally posted by Warlock:
...was alot of the folks that do belive it's a sin, bad, evil, or even just poor taste,..do tend to attempt pushing that belief upon others.
Yes, they do. If you were 100% convinced that you knew the truth about something, wouldn't you want to see other people come to realize that truth as well? Regardless, like I already said - I ain't gonna push. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Originally posted by Carl:
umm...every sin condemns you to hell. if you steal a peice of candy from your little brother, you're going to hell. why? because heaven requires 100% perfectness. would you drink a glass of water if it had just one tiny drop of cyanide in it?
This is what the Law of the Old Testament came to prove - nobody can lead a sinless life. Which is why the events of the New Testament occurred - just like Abraham said to his son Issac as they were going up the mountain to sacrifice to God: "God will provide the lamb". At that time, God saw Abraham's willingness to obey even unto his son's death, and provided a ram instead. Thousands of years later, God provided the Lamb. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Originally posted by an0n:
I didn't bother to read the new testament. The whole Jesus thing sounds like a pile of **** to me. I prefered the vengeful, angry God in the Old Testament.
Hmmm - just to show you how mistaken you are in that generalization:
Jeremiah 31:3-4 "The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness. I will build you up again and you will be rebuilt, O Virgin Israel. Again you will take up your tambourines and go out to dance with the joyful."
Revelation 14:19-20 "The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia."
Originally posted by an0n:
And if God created man in his own image then we're all perfect right?
If sex before marriage was a sin then all those people who were around before the bible and its definition of marriage are screwed (figuratively and literally).
Yes, we were perfect, until Adam and Eve allowed sin to come into their lives.
And sin is defined by the law, and by the concience that God has given Man. THerefore, there was no sin before the law. The first "do not", however, was back in Genesis 2:17 "...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Which they went ahead and did.
Originally posted by IceFire:
The key thing with this discussion is that everyone continues to respect the decisions, beliefs and opinions of others.
A good quote to close with. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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You know...only here could we HAVE this type of discussion and it STAY civil.
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Great job ppl!!!!!
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Sandwich has summarised beautifully what I wanted to say. I'll just elaborate on a couple of his points. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Originally posted by sandwich:
Yes, they do. If you were 100% convinced that you knew the truth about something, wouldn't you want to see other people come to realize that truth as well? Regardless, like I already said - I ain't gonna push.
Yeah, true there. I mean, if you see it from a Christian perspective (I don't want to force you, but if you'd like), it's kind of like... calling out to someone who's running off the edge of a cliff. Are you gonna whisper, or are you gonna yell? That said, it's what I believe, but you don't have to agree at all. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Originally posted by sandwich:
Hmmm - just to show you how mistaken you are in that generalization:
Agree here too, though there's something else to be said here: somewhat like other books, the Bible is really difficult to take pieces out of. It's the context problem - a lot of books have problems when you take parts of what they say out of context, but the Bible is an extraordinary case. It was written as a huge cross-reference system. So, do be careful. I'm aware too that some things seem to contradict each other or depict something that seems incorrect; but it takes a lot of effort to understand a lot of these things. They were, after all, written by a God; but anyway, no need to argue on that, since there's no point. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Originally posted by sandwich:
A good quote to close with. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Most definitely. Try and keep yourselves civil guys, you've already done a great job so far, keep it up. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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damn, too many things to read, I just noticed one thing: CP doesn't like sex (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
So: afraid, gay, unsuccessfull ? Sorry dude, just joking (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
The whole point about this for me: sharing something unique and, of course, pleasure (youpla boom!)
edit: sorry for the spelling (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
[This message has been edited by venom2506 (edited 01-20-2002).]
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Venom, having problems with spelling today? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Some thoughts from slutty Sweden (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I must say that the question of premartial sex is something I've never really thought of. I've been brought up that premartial sex, casual sex and one night stands are OK, just as long that you protect yourself.
I agree that sex before marriage is important. Because you learn to know what you like. And you learn what your girl wants. I wouldn't want to find out on the wedding night that my wife like get spanked or some other crazy **** (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I think that premartial sex increase the divorce rate. But so what, I think it's better that people divorce than have a bad marriage.
As for religion. Don't even get me started. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) I'm from one of the most secularized countries in the world and I like that. I have have probably sinned every sin there is in the book (I haven't killed anyone though), so I guess that I'm going to hell. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Pez
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You,ve commited adultery? Stolen stuff?
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If you mean with adultery that I have broken a marriage, then no. But if you mean adultery like forge and falsify then I've probably done it. Stolen something....mmmhhh...well when your drunk anything can happen. Ok I admit it I maybe haven't sinned every sin there is but people say that premartial sex is a sin and that you shouldn't sin but there so many ways of sin. Saying God in a bad way is a sin. Damn I did it again. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Pez:
If you mean with adultery that I have broken a marriage, then no. But if you mean adultery like forge and falsify then I've probably done it. Stolen something....mmmhhh...well when your drunk anything can happen. Ok I admit it I maybe haven't sinned every sin there is but people say that premartial sex is a sin and that you shouldn't sin but there so many ways of sin. Saying God in a bad way is a sin. Damn I did it again. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Saying something against God is an eternal sin, one which cannot be forgiven.
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come on shrike! you know better than to post this!
go for the sex though
religion be damned
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Originally posted by Kazan:
come on shrike! you know better than to post this!
It's so much fun though! As someone told me, what good are anthills for if not to kick over? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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oh BTW: one of the biggest tensions on the 'first night' - ie the first night of the honeymoon - is if one partner is a virgin their stress level will be through the ceiling 90% of the time - worring about their performance!
practice makes perfect! never do the show without the rehearsal!
if it's love go for it- watch out for being a girl's rebound though, you may love her, but she just lusts for you! (i know, i've been there)
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if i hear the G word one more time im going to write an anti-religious essay because i've had it up to here with all that twaddle.
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Originally posted by Zeronet:
Saying something against God is an eternal sin, one which cannot be forgiven.
poumpoumpoum so I must be damned for eternity and multiple times then, hey God, my pal? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
"If God exists, I owe him for giving me life down there... Damn, he fooled me (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by wEvil:
if i hear the G word one more time im going to write an anti-religious essay because i've had it up to here with all that twaddle.
Bah - in this day and age you'd just be labeled intolerant... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
How about Creator? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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gat gay gay gay
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Lets keep it human huh guys? We've got people from all walks of life on this board - play nice or I'll stop the play (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Thunder:
I'll stop the play (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Not such a bad idea.
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Originally posted by Zeronet:
Saying something against God is an eternal sin, one which cannot be forgiven.
Actually, to be a little more specific, blasphme against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin if memory serves me correctly... which I'm pretty sure it does. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Hmm, It looks like Pastor Greg is going to have to get his extended list of Biblical Balls out to hammar the message accross that this sort of stuff is not to be believed by any rational person.
The Bible tells us that.....
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son. . . bring him out unto the elders of his city. . .And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. . ."
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Premarital sex is bad Stoning children to death is good.
Malachi 2:3
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces." - don't knock it until you've tried it
Deuteronomy 28:53
"And thou shalt eat of the fruit of thine own body, that of thy sons and of thy daughers, which the LORD thy God hath given thee" - No premarital sex for you guys but you can eat your children if you like.
Clouds are gods footprints in Heaven - "The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet" (Nahum 1:3).
The disabled have been "smited" by him - "And the Lord said unto [Moses], Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord ?" (Exodus 4:11). "And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season" (Luke 1:20).
God causes thunder and Lightning - "Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth" (Job 37:2-3).
Hemorrhoids are one of god's ways of punishing sinners (he must have smited the VBB then ) -"The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed" (Deuteronomy 28:27). "But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof" (1 Samuel 5:6).
Back onto the topic of sex. The Bible tells us that: A man should castrate himself - "For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off" (Isaiah 56:3-5). "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it" (Matthew 19:12).
A Woman must have her hands cut off for accidentally toutching her husband's genitals in an efforet to prevent him being attacked - "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her" (Deuteronomy 25:11-12).
Hmm, It looks like god doesn't like womem very much - "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, and seeth among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; and she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and remain in thine house . . . And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her" (Deuteronomy 21:10-14). "But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: but shalt utterly destroy them" (Deuteronomy 20:16-17). "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband" (Colossians 3:18-19; see 1 Peter 3:1; Ephesians 5:22). "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed" (Exodus 21:7-8). "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to a husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged: they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering" (Leviticus 19:20-21).
According to the bible we're all inbread - "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel" (Genesis 4:1-2). "And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch" (Genesis 4:17). "And Amran took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife: and she bare him Aaron and Moses" (Exodus 6:20).
The above is exactly why I have no respect at all for the Laws of the Bible. Yes Jesus's emphasis on compassion was a good thing but the book is historically unreliable, is filled with contradictions and goes against proven fact. If people are prepared to put their faith in that book before their own rational judgement then they have a serious problem.
On to Premarital Sex: Provided percautions are taken (both Parties have an equal say in the matter and protection is used etc.) then I have no problem with it at all. What's more, I have aproblem with anyone that does. As far as adultery goes, that is different for the reason that it is actually affecting someone else and potentially causing harm. Why the big emphasis on marriage? Supposing the people are atheists (and since marriage is partially a religious service and partly due to tradition) I place no value at all on the value of it, rather the quality of the relationship. If we're talking about casual sex here as opposed to sex outside marriage I, again have no problem with it. The dictators here who think they have the right to inflict their moral codes on the rest of society have got some serious issues, ones which I intend to address.
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
Hmm, It looks like Pastor Greg is going to have to get his extended list of Biblical Balls out to hammar the message accross that this sort of stuff is not to be believed by any rational person.
The Bible tells us that.....
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son. . . bring him out unto the elders of his city. . .And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. . ."
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Premarital sex is bad Stoning children to death is good.
Malachi 2:3
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces." - don't knock it until you've tried it
Deuteronomy 28:53
"And thou shalt eat of the fruit of thine own body, that of thy sons and of thy daughers, which the LORD thy God hath given thee" - No premarital sex for you guys but you can eat your children if you like.
Clouds are gods footprints in Heaven - "The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet" (Nahum 1:3).
The disabled have been "smited" by him - "And the Lord said unto [Moses], Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord ?" (Exodus 4:11). "And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season" (Luke 1:20).
God causes thunder and Lightning - "Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth" (Job 37:2-3).
Hemorrhoids are one of god's ways of punishing sinners (he must have smited the VBB then ) -"The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed" (Deuteronomy 28:27). "But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof" (1 Samuel 5:6).
Back onto the topic of sex. The Bible tells us that: A man should castrate himself - "For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off" (Isaiah 56:3-5). "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it" (Matthew 19:12).
A Woman must have her hands cut off for accidentally toutching her husband's genitals in an efforet to prevent him being attacked - "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her" (Deuteronomy 25:11-12).
Hmm, It looks like god doesn't like womem very much - "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, and seeth among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; and she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and remain in thine house . . . And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her" (Deuteronomy 21:10-14). "But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: but shalt utterly destroy them" (Deuteronomy 20:16-17). "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband" (Colossians 3:18-19; see 1 Peter 3:1; Ephesians 5:22). "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed" (Exodus 21:7-8). "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to a husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged: they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering" (Leviticus 19:20-21).
According to the bible we're all inbread - "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel" (Genesis 4:1-2). "And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch" (Genesis 4:17). "And Amran took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife: and she bare him Aaron and Moses" (Exodus 6:20).
The above is exactly why I have no respect at all for the Laws of the Bible. Yes Jesus's emphasis on compassion was a good thing but the book is historically unreliable, is filled with contradictions and goes against proven fact. If people are prepared to put their faith in that book before their own rational judgement then they have a serious problem.
On to Premarital Sex: Provided percautions are taken (both Parties have an equal say in the matter and protection is used etc.) then I have no problem with it at all. What's more, I have aproblem with anyone that does. As far as adultery goes, that is different for the reason that it is actually affecting someone else and potentially causing harm. Why the big emphasis on marriage? Supposing the people are atheists (and since marriage is partially a religious service and partly due to tradition) I place no value at all on the value of it, rather the quality of the relationship. If we're talking about casual sex here as opposed to sex outside marriage I, again have no problem with it. The dictators here who think they have the right to inflict their moral codes on the rest of society have got some serious issues, ones which I intend to address.
The Bible is like a parable, it has a meaning that you must learn to understand, it is not written in black and white and no one here is trying to push their moral codes onto others but your doing a good job of offending me (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif).
EDIT:Can we move off religion, its doing nobody any favours.
[This message has been edited by Zeronet (edited 01-20-2002).]
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damn, too many things to read, I just noticed one thing: CP doesn't like sex (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
So: afraid, gay, unsuccessfull ? Sorry dude, just joking (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
lol I dislike anything that is irrational and generally unproductive, which is exactly the categories sex falls into IMHO. (along with religion (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif))
I have actually been asked a few times by some stupid girls in my school to "go on a date with them" ( (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) maybe some people like nerds (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) ). I could not see any point in this, so I asked them "Go out where, and for what purpose? And why is my presence required?" and they looked at me like I was crazy. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif) huh? my questions were pretty normal; guess these people are all weirdos... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I really can't understand why people like this stuff; I mean, what a waste of time and energy...why not play FS2, solve math problems or visit HLP instead?
If people are prepared to put their faith in that book before their own rational judgement then they have a serious problem.
This can be seen all over the place, unfortunately.
if i hear the G word one more time im going to write an anti-religious essay because i've had it up to here with all that twaddle.
hehe good, I'm not too fond of that stuff either.
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sex, unproductive? How'd you think you've been conceived? by ... huhuhuhahaha, god's will? hem sorry, just couldn't help myself on this one (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif).
It's the same point than playing FS2 dude! it's fun! (hem, now people will think I'm really weird (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) ).
ok, last post in this thread for me, or I'll really make myself sound like a weirdo (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Now we know what joystick Venom plays with... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Hey, that'd be cool! Just get a couple wires and a motion sensor and...
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Oh, boy. I stay out for a couple of days and look what happens... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
My two cents now:
Brazil is a country with a heavy sexual culture. You'll see naked people on open (free) TV, you'll see people having sex on TV, you'll see naked people on the streets (ever heard of Carnaval?), you'll hear and talk about it just about everywhere. It is part of our culture that one of the best ways to have fun is to have sex, and most of the time it's that what matters. It may sound a bit like Sodom and Gomorrah (sp?) to some of you, but that's the truth. Of course there are lots of exceptions (there is people who think the way Sandwich does, and I totally respect them), but the statistics would prove what I'm saying. Just walk around and ask people what they think of sex and you'll see.
(Sidenote: Shrike, I don't think you'd really be coming here if Brazil wasn't like that, eh? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) )
As for my own personal opinion, I'll answer a different way: I don't believe in marriage. It's simply the best, fastest way to ruin a great relationship. See, while you're not married, you try to do everything to please your partner, to make her (or him, but I don't think there are many women around here (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) ) happy, to give her (or him) what she (or he) wants. This all ends (or at least is havily diminished) after married: you have a friggin' contract saying that that person belongs to you, and that's where the end begins. I had a few stable relationships, and they all ended when that sense of property started to appear (I'm on a great relationship now, and thankfully it's going a different way from the previous ones)...
I believe in living together with another person if you love her (or him), but writing up a contract is kinda stupid (again, my point of view). I don't like the idea of adultery either (baaaad family experience), but without that damn contract saying what you can and cannot do it's way easier to talk about... hmm, how can I say this... other ways to have fun. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Come on, you all must agree that this is what life is about: having fun. You work hard, you do everything right not to break any laws, you respect the others so they respect you, with this one objective, that is to have a good time (well, at least I do). You play FS2 for fun, you MOD for fun, you play RPGs for fun, you go to the beach for fun, you skydive for fun, you drive for fun (mostly, at least), and you have sex for fun (well, unless you really want children anyway).
Hm, guess I didn't say much in the end, but those are my thoughts. I respect everyone else's thoughts, so if you think that the meaning of life is not that one, go ahead, I'm alright with it! And just to finish this post, here's an... er... insightful image: (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.sinfest.net/comics/sf20020120.gif)
Be happy, and Carnaval is coming! Whoohoooo!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Styxx (edited 01-20-2002).]
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Hey, that'd be cool! Just get a couple wires and a motion sensor and...
Ummm I am NOT asking about your "counter measures"
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Originally posted by Warlock:
Ummm I am NOT asking about your "counter measures"
Worry more about the 'beam cannon'. I can just ima--no. I won't go there. I WILL NOT. Its just too terrible to contemplate. Its worse than the terrible secret of space!
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Just don't ask where his missles shot out of (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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If I had moderator status in this part of the forums this would be deleted in a second.
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Well being an Admin started it...and well...it's been very very good at no flaming, no fighting or anything...why?
What's it hurting ?
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IMO, an admin should be even more careful of what they post...
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Meh - theres enough people who don't like this kind of topic (me being one of them, it causes nothing but trouble in the long run). I might have closed it sooner if I'd been around but as it is I'll put a stop to it now.