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Title: Last ever SG-1
Post by: aldo_14 on March 14, 2007, 10:21:14 am
I was kind of disappointed, I mean it did feel quite a bit like fan-service stuff and the end was rather cheesy. Not to mention
Spoiler:
killing off the Asgard and making Vala & Daniel hump like rabbits
was a little off-kilter IMO.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Fury on March 14, 2007, 10:27:36 am
IMHO SG-1 ended in Moebius (season 8). There should be two SG-1 movies coming after season 10 however, it remains to be seen if the two movies are good enough to warrant also buying season 9 and 10 DVD sets just to complete the series.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 14, 2007, 10:39:45 am
I enjoyed the last two seasons, but I'd have liked them more if it dealt more with the aftermath of the victory over the goa'uld.

And maybe, instead of going with the Ori, they should have connected in full with Atlantis. Having Wraith ships make it to our Galaxy at the end of season 9.

Anyway, the episode was decent enough, shame about the Asgard, and shame about Jack not being there!!! It was Thor, his buddy, dammit.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: G0atmaster on March 14, 2007, 11:48:52 am
if they'd connected to Atlantis, and SG1 had to fight the wraith, the show Atlantis would no longer have any reason for existing, as they'd be combined.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Bobboau on March 14, 2007, 12:32:38 pm
IMHO SG-1 ended in Moebius.
no it ended with threads.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: starbug on March 14, 2007, 01:13:07 pm
Yeah i was hoping for something epic, because that was the way that it was geared up to be, by the press and sky one. It was sad, but i still felt let down that for end of a tv show finale, it lacked UMPH and that it should of gone out with a big bang, i just hope Atlantis finale tonight is good.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: aldo_14 on March 14, 2007, 01:54:52 pm
Yeah i was hoping for something epic, because that was the way that it was geared up to be, by the press and sky one. It was sad, but i still felt let down that for end of a tv show finale, it lacked UMPH and that it should of gone out with a big bang, i just hope Atlantis finale tonight is good.

I have a feeling the beginning of Unending actually clashes with the Atlantis finale (based on spoilers), but someone else can tell me if that's true - I'm watching Osasuna-Rangers instead.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 15, 2007, 05:24:19 am
if they'd connected to Atlantis, and SG1 had to fight the wraith, the show Atlantis would no longer have any reason for existing, as they'd be combined.

not really, SG-1 can't be everywhere at once after all.

It would have been more akin to seeing two facets of teh same story, with SG-1 dealing also with the aftermath of the goa'uld and Atlantis dealing with the new galaxy
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: IPAndrews on March 15, 2007, 05:38:40 am
A decade on and still haven't to summon up any enthusiasm for SG1. Shame because I loved the movie.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: aldo_14 on March 15, 2007, 05:42:19 am
Yeah i was hoping for something epic, because that was the way that it was geared up to be, by the press and sky one. It was sad, but i still felt let down that for end of a tv show finale, it lacked UMPH and that it should of gone out with a big bang, i just hope Atlantis finale tonight is good.

I have a feeling the beginning of Unending actually clashes with the Atlantis finale (based on spoilers), but someone else can tell me if that's true - I'm watching Osasuna-Rangers instead.

May I add that I now regret the above decision.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Mefustae on March 15, 2007, 07:04:38 am
I have a feeling the beginning of Unending actually clashes with the Atlantis finale (based on spoilers), but someone else can tell me if that's true - I'm watching Osasuna-Rangers instead.
How? The two finales weren't related in any way. Maybe you could be more specific?

Yeah i was hoping for something epic, because that was the way that it was geared up to be, by the pres and sky one. It was sad, but i still felt let down that for end of a tv show finale, it lacked UMPH and that it should of gone out with a big bang, i just hope Atlantis finale tonight is good.
Not epic?! A freaking planet blew up and we destroyed two Ori Motherships! Anyway, we'll get some nice action in Ark of Truth and Continuum, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

Regardless, I really liked Unending. An excellent sendoff to a series that has consistently entertained me for ten straight years. Plus, for some reason I found Sam playing the Cello really sexy... and I have no idea why.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: aldo_14 on March 15, 2007, 08:56:10 am
I have a feeling the beginning of Unending actually clashes with the Atlantis finale (based on spoilers), but someone else can tell me if that's true - I'm watching Osasuna-Rangers instead.
How? The two finales weren't related in any way. Maybe you could be more specific?

Seeing as it's aired now.... the original spoilers mentioned the Asgard working on a planetary wide disruptor weapon, implying they were still fighting the war and (consequently) still interested in living.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: an0n on March 15, 2007, 10:47:16 pm
I have a few problems with Unending.

Firstly, they rushed the Asgard's demise. That in and of itself deserved a whole episode. And if they were ****ed anyways - why not go out fighting? Take their whole mother****ing fleet and attack the Supergate.

Secondly, the Asgard had presumably tested the Core before fitting it to the Odyssey - so why didn't the Ori attack Orilla? And if the Asgard could defend Orilla against attack, why not just get the Odyssey to move within range of their defences.

Basically, I don't like how the Asgard were removed from play so rapidly when even as a bunch of half-rotting corpses they still could've done ****loads to help against the Ori.

Thirdly, why didn't Daniel and Vala have a child? I assume the reason she was crying in that flash-forward scene was due to a miscarriage. But if they'd actually had a kid, it'd've added more conflict to the decision to reverse time, and they could even have had the kid being the one who was isolated from the time-reversal.

Fourthly - **** sending Teal'c back. Carter was a WAY better choice. She was the only one with any technical knowledge from the soon-to-be-useless Asgard Core, and could've cut decades off the time needed for Earth to reproduce the Asgard weapons systems.

Fifthly - why not use the Asgard Core to replicate everyone and transfer their consciousnesses into young bodies? They could easily have saved Landry.

Sixthly - why not give Teal'c a whole sackload of data crystals with as much information from the Asgard Core as he could carry?

Seventhly - why not just ignore the fancy ****, find out how to build a ZPM and restore the shields?

Eightly - why not just replicate a ton of the Asgard carbon/trinium/naquadah alloy used in the construction of the O'Neill class ships and leave like 50ft of it in the path of the Ori beam weapon?

Ninthly - why not just spend 10 years restructuring the ship so none of it was in the path of the Ori beam?

But on the plus side, it was - I suppose - a fairly decent idea. Even if they did botch the implimentation.

I just don't like that they killed off the Asgard, effectively took the Odyssey out of play (by making it too valuable to ever risk on a mission again, even if the Asgard Core can't be used) and knocked 50 years off of Teal'c's life - and the only positive was that they destroyed 2 Ori ships.

Oh, but I do like that they indirectly said that Asgard technology was superior to that of the Ancients.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: an0n on March 15, 2007, 10:52:43 pm
And the death of the Asgard presumably means no more Hermiod aboard the Daedalus....
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: an0n on March 15, 2007, 10:56:01 pm
And why not just put all the Asgard into machine bodies? Or at least store them inside the Core incase the Tau'ri ever manage to fix their genetic degeneration.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: TrashMan on March 16, 2007, 03:09:55 am
Time travel...blowing up planets...uber-tech....transfering concusness...

Must...resist...urge..to...vommit.... :ick:
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Ashrak on March 16, 2007, 03:55:39 am
And why not just put all the Asgard into machine bodies? Or at least store them inside the Core incase the Tau'ri ever manage to fix their genetic degeneration.


yeah i agree.


the asard line was far too rushed imo :(


and the core one th odyssey is not useless, its still online, just not linked to the hyperdrive anymore :) guns n data is still available :)
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Mefustae on March 16, 2007, 04:37:54 am
Firstly, they rushed the Asgard's demise. That in and of itself deserved a whole episode. And if they were ****ed anyways - why not go out fighting? Take their whole mother****ing fleet and attack the Supergate.

Sure, more time delving into the demise of the Asgard would have been nice, but you don't exactly need an entire episode to say "We're doomed, we're going to euthanise ourselves, we're giving you all our ****". It was sudden, succinct, and emotionally taught to kill them so quickly, and they're not the type of race to go out fighting, anyway.

Secondly, the Asgard had presumably tested the Core before fitting it to the Odyssey - so why didn't the Ori attack Orilla? And if the Asgard could defend Orilla against attack, why not just get the Odyssey to move within range of their defences.

Although there really isn't any good reason why the Ori didn't attack earlier other than the tracking issue possible being due to a freak occurance between the Oddy's hyperdrive and the computer core together, the fact of the matter is that the Asgard just weren't up for a fight in any way, shape or form. After constantly battling the replicators and lived on the brink of extinction for as long as they had, they would have been fed up with fighting and simply resolved to their fate.

Basically, I don't like how the Asgard were removed from play so rapidly when even as a bunch of half-rotting corpses they still could've done ****loads to help against the Ori.

And risk the Ori nicking some of their technology and raping the Galaxy with it, no thanks.

Thirdly, why didn't Daniel and Vala have a child? I assume the reason she was crying in that flash-forward scene was due to a miscarriage. But if they'd actually had a kid, it'd've added more conflict to the decision to reverse time, and they could even have had the kid being the one who was isolated from the time-reversal.

Adding a kid to the equation would have messed up the whole dynamic between the five of them. Regardless, I got the vibe that Vala was just venting from being cooped up on the ship for months on end, punctuated by Cam ripping his room apart for that very reason in the following scene. Where'd you get the miscarrage idea, anyway?

Fourthly - **** sending Teal'c back. Carter was a WAY better choice. She was the only one with any technical knowledge from the soon-to-be-useless Asgard Core, and could've cut decades off the time needed for Earth to reproduce the Asgard weapons systems.

The core was only disconnected from the Hyperdrive, it wasn't destroyed or anything. Anyway, I prefer Sam being on the team, as opposed to being in a retirement home like should would be if she'd been the one to stay old.

Fifthly - why not use the Asgard Core to replicate everyone and transfer their consciousnesses into young bodies? They could easily have saved Landry.

Gotta keep emotional tension somehow, and effectively granting them immortality sorta kills the mood. Anyway, Landry's the kind of character who would want to go when he goes, rather than spend another 50 or so years listening to Cam ***** about being stuck on the ship. Plus, time wasn't standing still, so they would only be adding about 50 more years to their excruciatingly boring lives before the beam hit the Oddy and burst their proverbial bubble.

Sixthly - why not give Teal'c a whole sackload of data crystals with as much information from the Asgard Core as he could carry?

What Sam had accomplished in 50 years would have likely been accomplished in 5 months by the hundreds of scientists that would pour over the Asgard computer core when they returned to Earth, so there was no real point.

Seventhly - why not just ignore the fancy ****, find out how to build a ZPM and restore the shields?

It would have been a total copout?

Eightly - why not just replicate a ton of the Asgard carbon/trinium/naquadah alloy used in the construction of the O'Neill class ships and leave like 50ft of it in the path of the Ori beam weapon?

Ninthly - why not just spend 10 years restructuring the ship so none of it was in the path of the Ori beam?

Those are actually really cool ideas. Seriously, it would have been awesome to have time start up again and the Ori beam hit this massive pile of solid armour, or have it fly through a gaping hole in the middle of the hull.

I just don't like that they killed off the Asgard, effectively took the Odyssey out of play (by making it too valuable to ever risk on a mission again, even if the Asgard Core can't be used) and knocked 50 years off of Teal'c's life - and the only positive was that they destroyed 2 Ori ships.

Sure, losing the Asgard is almost as depressing as losing the show, but it was unexpected and an interesting twist. What more could you ask for? Teal'c still has a few decades in front of him, so that's not really going to impact anything. And with the Supergate now back under Ori control, they're free to bring in as many Motherships as they like, so that kind of renders those two kills kind of a inconsequential victory.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: aldo_14 on March 16, 2007, 04:41:36 am
Time travel...blowing up planets...uber-tech....transfering concusness...

Must...resist...urge..to...vommit.... :ick:

Senior Turretalot complaining about uber-tech and blowing up planets?  surely thou jestest!
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: an0n on March 16, 2007, 01:48:14 pm
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Anyway, I prefer Sam being on the team, as opposed to being in a retirement home like should would be if she'd been the one to stay old.

Clone. Body.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Mefustae on March 16, 2007, 07:45:07 pm
That's. Stupid.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Ashrak on March 17, 2007, 03:09:30 am
anyone considered how uterlly overpowered earth is now?



cmon 2 deadalus (probly not going to build those anymore, gonna build belliskeners or o'neills) can take on atleast 6 -7 hiveships and uterly anahilate them.....
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: starbug on March 17, 2007, 08:54:03 am
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Not epic?! A freaking planet blew up and we destroyed two Ori Motherships! Anyway, we'll get some nice action in Ark of Truth and Continuum, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

i didn't feel like it was epic because the whole demise of asgard, ori chase felt to rushed it was mainly all done within the first few minutes of the show, and i feel that i didnt feel as epic as the season finalie for season 8 with the replicators figthing go'aulds then Anubis try to wipe out everything(thats were SG1 should of ended in my opinion). To me thats how i think they should of done it, basicaly a 3 parter for the final episodes or a 2 hour finalie would have been better so it wouldn't felt so rushed and there was no Jack, he shoulda been in it.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Ashrak on March 17, 2007, 12:20:48 pm
btw, if the time dialation field extends arround the ship, why not just move out of the beams path to the backside of the ori ship and WTFpwn em :)


Silly movie errors' pft
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Mefustae on March 17, 2007, 05:48:25 pm
i didn't feel like it was epic because the whole demise of asgard, ori chase felt to rushed it was mainly all done within the first few minutes of the show, and i feel that i didnt feel as epic as the season finalie for season 8 with the replicators figthing go'aulds then Anubis try to wipe out everything(thats were SG1 should of ended in my opinion). To me thats how i think they should of done it, basicaly a 3 parter for the final episodes or a 2 hour finalie would have been better so it wouldn't felt so rushed and there was no Jack, he shoulda been in it.
But then you've got to remember that they were only told they weren't getting renewed after they had started writing the second-last episode, so they were nigh-on incapable of shifting everything around in order to make a two- or three-parter viable. Had they known far earlier, it's likely we would have seen something far more wacky and spectacular, but with so little to work with - essentially just a single episode - their hands were tied. IMO I think we were lucky to get an episode as good as Unending considering the circumstances.
Title: Re: Last ever SG-1
Post by: Black Wolf on March 19, 2007, 01:12:58 pm
Hated it. Seriously, it was a cool concept for an episode, but a Finale? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Even if they do have two more movies coming to truly wrap up the series, that was a truly weak way for a ten year strong series to go out. The only way they could have made it worse was if they'd done a clip show.