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Title: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on March 23, 2007, 11:36:02 pm
is it just me, or are the shinemapped/htl asteroids a total waste of resources? since when are rocks shiny anyway!?
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Mars on March 24, 2007, 12:03:26 am
The asteroids should be shine mapped so they aren't nearly so shiny, and HTL rocks are a must so that they don't look like a conglomeration of triangles.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on March 24, 2007, 12:44:38 am
is it just me, or are the shinemapped/htl asteroids a total waste of resources? since when are rocks shiny anyway!?

I assume you're talking about Wing Commander Saga Prologue? Because FSO's asteroid's aren't very shiny at all.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Taristin on March 24, 2007, 12:59:23 am
Takashi, if you are worried about your system resources, play with all of the effects turned off.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Flipside on March 24, 2007, 09:50:59 am
Once you get used to VP View, you can extract the shinemaps out for things like asteroids and make them something like 16 x 16, it doesn't affect the system much visually, but takes less memory :)

Though, having seen what can be done with shine and environment maps on asteroids in Eve has made me think there are possiblities....
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Raven2001 on March 24, 2007, 10:19:04 am
the only thing that MIGHT be wrong with the asteroids are the LODs... perhaps they would need better LODing.

But even then, im not completely sure if it is :P
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on March 24, 2007, 11:35:57 am
maybe less hi-poly asteroids? and the LOD thing sounds good. its weird when you see a tiny asteroid, and then it changes into a huge one bigger than your ship.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on March 26, 2007, 10:04:48 pm
Asteroids should stay the same. Hi poly wise and shinyness (light is a lot more intense out in space than here on earth).
Of course the loding sounds like a good thing to improve them, but they're not that bad.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 07, 2007, 03:07:06 pm
and then there is the issue of the mediavp orion...

i would like to play with the mediavp's on and not end up with a 13 fps  whenever the bastion/random orion jumps in.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: WMCoolmon on April 07, 2007, 04:08:37 pm
and then there is the issue of the mediavp orion...

i would like to play with the mediavp's on and not end up with a 13 fps  whenever the bastion/random orion jumps in.

There's nothing stopping you from extracting the MediaVP files using VPView, and then recompressing them with VPMage, VPCS2, or QuickVP. You could remove the Orion in the process.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 07, 2007, 06:13:01 pm
man, im so tunnle minded sometimes...
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on April 08, 2007, 06:56:46 am
How does the htl orion drop framerates? No ship in the game drops framerates for me, unless you're running an inferior rig compared to mine(most people who play the scp are running some serious old hardware). Of course my systems pet peaves were dabs beams, and the ultra high quality shockwaves(which are ridiculously high quality when the medium ones do more than enough justice with no slow down). And then i upgraded from 9800pro 256mb to 7600gt, well i just built a whole new computer around the video card and sold my old system. The htl orion thing sounds wierd though, idk why that would cause slow down, it never did for me on any of my rigs. The htl orion on my 9800pro computer was just a smooth performing high quality orion, until it started blasting out dab's beams :lol:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on April 08, 2007, 01:55:02 pm
The HTL Orion is a very high poly-count, it made my FPS  on my old computer drop to around 4 FPS (that computer had nearly no RAM to speak of). Taka, you could try some of TrashMan's Orions if you still want a better looking Orion without major FPS drops. A few of them may be a little screwey, but some of them work.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 08, 2007, 02:38:18 pm
jeez, all the low poly ones with decent textures were fine 0_0

where can i find the mid-range orion(s)?
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on April 08, 2007, 03:06:16 pm
There are none. Either use the high-detail Orion or the stock one.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 08, 2007, 04:29:17 pm
The HTL Orion is a very high poly-count, it made my FPS  on my old computer drop to around 4 FPS (that computer had nearly no RAM to speak of). Taka, you could try some of TrashMan's Orions if you still want a better looking Orion without major FPS drops. A few of them may be a little screwey, but some of them work.

he mentions trashman having mid-level ones, doesent he? maybe the worse then cobra title should go now.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on April 08, 2007, 05:28:13 pm
Go check here:

http://hades-combine.com/web/index.php?ind=downloads&op=entry_view&iden=198

make sure you don't leave in the new turrets (in the table), they may break the main campaign. This does still have quite some polys, but less than the crazy mvp one.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: TrashMan on April 08, 2007, 05:30:23 pm
eDIT POST..

Beat me to it Snail....well, the name doesn't suit you :D
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on April 08, 2007, 08:27:36 pm
he mentions trashman having mid-level ones, doesent he? maybe the worse then cobra title should go now.

Don't be an ass, I'm not the one who goes around saying that he works for Volition. :P

Not to mention getting a very true title removed isn't warranted by misreading a post.

Go check here:

http://hades-combine.com/web/index.php?ind=downloads&op=entry_view&iden=198

make sure you don't leave in the new turrets (in the table), they may break the main campaign. This does still have quite some polys, but less than the crazy mvp one.

Hmm, that doesn't really strike me as canon looking, but it does look great. :D
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on April 09, 2007, 07:21:56 am
More detail, yet not insane like the Mvp Orion.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 09, 2007, 05:09:34 pm
i did work for volition. i just never worked on freespace....2. i did tables. im only a noob on forums because if i acted like myself it would be worse than unknown target after being called a noob.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: TrashMan on April 09, 2007, 05:25:40 pm
Hmm, that doesn't really strike me as canon looking, but it does look great. :D

WTF?  :wtf:
I followed the Orion outlines and textures more than the MVP Orion did.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Raven2001 on April 09, 2007, 05:36:58 pm
i did work for volition. i just never worked on freespace....2. i did tables. im only a noob on forums because if i acted like myself it would be worse than unknown target after being called a noob.

Ok, for all purposes I didnt write the following :P :

Id love to set my eyes on a copy or scanned copy of that contract you had with Volition :P

Place your bets on wether or not we have a Derek Smart on our hands :D

PS: Sorry, I just couldnt hold myself this time :nervous:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2007, 05:43:06 pm
i did work for volition. i just never worked on freespace....2. i did tables. im only a noob on forums because if i acted like myself it would be worse than unknown target after being called a noob.

I also used to work there. My job was to fix all the mistakes in your tables.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: RazorsKiss on April 09, 2007, 05:56:04 pm
I also used to work there. My job was to fix all the mistakes in your tables.

++
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 09, 2007, 09:51:51 pm
frakking owned.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on April 10, 2007, 08:51:43 am
Okay, his custom title should be "Worse than Cobra @ Volition"
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 10, 2007, 06:28:45 pm
by being worse than cobra im "protecting" you from angrier than UT.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Unknown Target on April 10, 2007, 06:58:32 pm
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: SGT_R22eR on April 10, 2007, 07:02:09 pm
for all purposes I didnt write the following :P :

Id love to set my eyes on a copy or scanned copy of that contract you had with Volition :P

Place your bets on wether or not we have a Derek Smart on our hands :D

PS: Sorry, I just couldnt hold myself this time :nervous:


he really sounds like a Derek Smart wannabe at least....  :lol:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Mars on April 10, 2007, 07:23:09 pm
Funny thing about the internet, angry people are a lot like people on the other side of a glass wall, it's not scary, it's not intimidating, it's hilarious.

The truly arrogant are infinitely cross-examined, belittled and picked apart.

Taki, you'd be wise to attempt to avoid both extreme anger and extreme arrogance on the HLP.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 11, 2007, 06:16:28 pm
AHAHHAHA; get a mod to delete this nonsense already.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Unknown Target on April 11, 2007, 06:41:16 pm
I wish we could get a mod to delete you.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 11, 2007, 06:50:22 pm
it only starts when you start directing anything to me.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Unknown Target on April 11, 2007, 08:09:01 pm
So...basically it starts every time we start replying to you in your threads. Which means you should stop posting them.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on April 11, 2007, 08:47:10 pm
Dude, taka, if you worked for Volition, at least show us some damn proof.

Right now, if you DID work on the tables, I'd imagine everything would be pretty ****ty, unbalanced weapons, massive engine speeds, the works. :P
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 12, 2007, 05:47:56 pm
eh, thats only when i dont have qualifications to meet. unbalanced tables are fun, but get one fired. so i avoided them.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on April 12, 2007, 05:58:36 pm
Still haven't showed me any proof that you worked for Volition. :P
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Unknown Target on April 12, 2007, 06:47:33 pm
eh, thats only when i dont have qualifications to meet. unbalanced tables are fun, but get one fired. so i avoided them.


AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!


Haven't you done something to warrant banning yet?
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Mars on April 12, 2007, 10:51:18 pm
You know... I'd think the programmers would be the ones to write the tables.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on April 13, 2007, 04:46:34 am
You know i could just show you guys the colossus's down time picture if you want to see a waste of time and resources.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 13, 2007, 03:45:51 pm
do show. maybe it will re-route this topic off the path of spam.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on April 13, 2007, 04:24:18 pm
do show. maybe it will re-route this topic off the path of spam.

Stop blaming us for it, you're the one who started the whole thing.

And your avoidance of my proof request only shows that you did not work for Volition at all. If you were, you wouldn't be some stupid fool who wants attention.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Bobboau on April 13, 2007, 11:15:03 pm
the fact that you even responded to a claim so stupid reflects poorly on you.

and for the record IIRC the tables for FS(2) were written primarily by Adam Pletcher.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on April 14, 2007, 06:43:38 am
It is very* improbable, but it is possible that he's Adam Pletcher himself...

*very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,




Okay, that's not even a good joke... :shaking:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: diceman111 on April 14, 2007, 06:55:03 am
eh, thats only when i dont have qualifications to meet. unbalanced tables are fun, but get one fired. so i avoided them.


AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!


Haven't you done something to warrant banning yet?

Well he did post again ...... dosent that count
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on April 14, 2007, 10:16:29 am
Unfortunately, no. :doubt:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 14, 2007, 10:40:59 am
i didnt say fs2. i said fs1 :p
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Unknown Target on April 14, 2007, 10:47:21 am
So? Either way you're still lying.

And stupid.

Lying and stupid.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: diceman111 on April 14, 2007, 10:54:27 am
So? Either way you're still lying.

And stupid.

Lying and stupid.

Calm down
Breath in and out
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 14, 2007, 12:00:15 pm
takes one to know one.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Agent_Koopa on April 14, 2007, 03:23:24 pm
You know i could just show you guys the colossus's down time picture if you want to see a waste of time and resources.

I don't know what that is, but I don't care. PICS NAO before this thread gets locked.

diceman, thermonuclear is one word. takashi, don't ever say that ever again. Also, Bob said FS(2), meaning FreeSpace and FreeSpace 2, like the use of (s)he when the writer wishes to encompass both genders. Snail, it would have been a bit better if the verys were in a smaller font.

Let's get it together.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Bobboau on April 14, 2007, 05:58:21 pm
what, have you never been to the internet before, morons trying to make themselves look good try to tell people they are someone they are not all the time and it's always like:
"I'm the presedent"
"no you aren't"
"yes I am"
"prove it"
"blahblahblah"
"blahblahblah"
"blahblahblah"
"blahblahblahblahblahblah"
"blahblah"

by the way I'm Condoleezza Rice's lesbian girlfreind.

takes one to know one.

we don't know you. we are aware of you. and you are an idiot.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: diceman111 on April 14, 2007, 06:19:18 pm
by the way I'm Condoleezza Rice's lesbian girlfreind.


really you too ??????
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: takashi on April 14, 2007, 06:41:19 pm
can you say ACTING? A-C-T-
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: RazorsKiss on April 14, 2007, 10:12:51 pm
Let me congratulate you on one of the most convincing renditions of stupidity I've ever seen, then.



Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Axem on April 14, 2007, 10:26:11 pm
can you say ACTING? A-C-T-

Aaaaaakkkh...

C'mon, don't leave me hanging here.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: CP5670 on April 15, 2007, 02:40:19 am
This guy is awesome.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on April 15, 2007, 03:06:50 am
You guys asked for it...
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4324/ohyeahqs1.png (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4324/ohyeahqs1.png)
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: jr2 on April 15, 2007, 07:52:25 am
An out-of focus Ganymede in the foreground, and a Colossus in the background?  :wtf: ?
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on April 15, 2007, 07:56:02 am
i didnt say fs2. i said fs1 :p

So, you do FS1 tables. Tell me what the old name for the Interceptor was.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: diceman111 on April 15, 2007, 09:09:14 am
You guys asked for it...
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4324/ohyeahqs1.png (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4324/ohyeahqs1.png)

I dont get it
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Kaboodles on April 15, 2007, 09:53:34 pm
The Colossus is a penis.

At least, that's what I get out of it.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on April 16, 2007, 03:17:00 am
As if the caption in the image isn't enough :lol: Extremely inside hlp humor :lol: Especially the out of focus ganymede because the colossus is focussed on in that image.

can you say ACTING? A-C-T-

Can you say D-Y-S-L-E-X-I-C?
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: jr2 on May 31, 2007, 02:17:36 am
i did work for volition. i just never worked on freespace....2. i did tables. im only a noob on forums because if i acted like myself it would be worse than unknown target after being called a noob.

You guys know he meant washing the tables after the :v: guys ate lunch, right?  :lol:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: aRaven on May 31, 2007, 06:27:26 am
lol! i suppose you are right ^^
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Cobra on May 31, 2007, 05:08:57 pm
*smacks forehead*

Stop. Necromancing. Threads.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: achtung on May 31, 2007, 05:26:25 pm
Nice thread.  I like.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on May 31, 2007, 06:52:48 pm
Too bad taka**** only washed the tables for V after lunch. Oh no he'll really hate me now for being blatantly obvious in explaining and easy to understand joke.
I wonder when he'll get a new isp?
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: jr2 on May 31, 2007, 09:03:55 pm
What happened to him, anyways?  Haven't heard him in a whiles.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Flaser on June 01, 2007, 02:13:24 am
Too bad taka**** only washed the tables for V after lunch. Oh no he'll really hate me now for being blatantly obvious in explaining and easy to understand joke.
I wonder when he'll get a new isp?

ROFL

People who can't set-up a proxy in their browser shouldn't be let anywhere near cybernetics.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on June 01, 2007, 05:31:10 am
Or tables at V for that matter. He got ip-banned.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Topgun on June 05, 2007, 12:20:25 pm
I miss him...
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on June 05, 2007, 12:46:29 pm
I miss him...

:nervous:

Me too...
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Flaser on June 06, 2007, 02:32:15 am
Yeah, I keep missing him, <BOOM!> the bastard keeps jumping and sprinting out of my sights!
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Mobius on June 10, 2007, 12:26:45 pm
He's spamming...ehm...posting on GW :nod:
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: Snail on June 10, 2007, 12:38:21 pm
Spamming is the correct terminology.
Title: Re: major waste of resources
Post by: S-99 on June 11, 2007, 07:16:37 pm
One thing i never noticed, is that this thread was started by taka