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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bobboau on March 24, 2007, 12:02:33 am
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some people have mentioned that it is only a minority of people who don't like the new setup, well let's just see.
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I'm not sure. :doubt:
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I don't hate it... I disagree with it a bit on a theoretical level, but it doesn't really effect me... but since that was the only disagree option.
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you could have called me an idiot.
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But i'm not acting like a dick today.. :sigh:
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I don't actually hate the placement, but I don't like it either so I voted hate/hate.
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i think its gay
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Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.
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Second option, but make some changes...
See
New Hard Light format (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,46128.0.html)
(vote in that poll too, it has more options...)
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Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.
Not enough to be completely ignored, now we are required to be all nice and politically correct?
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It makes no difference to me for the simple reason that I seldom look at where posts are unless I make a new thread myself. I just check unread posts and new replies and read the interesting stuff. I use about the same method on every forum I go to, so personally I wonder at this seemingly large outcry from many members. Well, it's a welcome change to debating about abortion, evolution, politics and religion. If anything this somehow reminds me of a certain Python classic...
(...)
-What?
-Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
-Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
-OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
-Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
So, why don't we expand the GenDisc section to an "Argument Clinic" containing Arguments, Abuse, Headbanging and Complaints?
Arguments would contain the stuff where people actually use the generally accepted means of arguing; abuse would include the flamefests and insultory remains of old topics. Headbainging would be the second home of those who are willing to talk about things that usually turn into threads so full of failures of argumentation that the frustration becomes tangible wall to which bang their heads, and Complaints would be the home of... this kind of stuff. :rolleyes:
I never had any problem with the old layout for the exact same reasons I don't really mind the new layout to one or another direction... But I do understand that this is, and has never been, not first and foremost a general discussion forum. A general discussion section is good to have, but this is originally pretty specialized forum/community revolving around FS2, FS2_Open, their mods and upgrades, space gaming, gaming and other stuff in about that order of importance. Splitting the off topic to multiple threads is debatable, but doesn't really matter to me however it'll settle out.
Another thing I don't really understand is the amount of attention some (not all) people point on post counts. If there was some reliable way to convert that into signal to noise ratio, that would be better indicator, but as that is subjective I would rather leave it out of messages entirely. If someone has so big interest on their own (or others') post counts, they can check them from user stats.
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Btw, political correctness can be a source of endless hilarity or agony, depending on the point of view. I choose the former just because it's usually easier to laugh at things that to rant about them. Ranting can be satisfying as well, but I tend to use it as last resort if I can't find anything laughable at matters.
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Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.
Not enough to be completely ignored, now we are required to be all nice and politically correct?
That would help, when you can see that people are getting very upset. Use good judgement... :D
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DAMN! I misvoted. I wanted to vote for "Hate the placement, hate the split", not "Hate the placement, like the split", even though I hate them just as much.
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isn't there a way to unvote?
hmm I thought I saw that at some point.
well it's still a form of hate...
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Yeah, this forum engine supports unvoting, but it seems this forum does not.
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well it's still a form of hate...
Yeah, it's funny to follow things unfolding...
1. Denial - The initial stage.: "It can't be happening."
2. Anger .: "How dare you do this to me?!" (either referring to God, the moderators/admins, or oneself)
3. Bargaining .: "Just let me us have our board a little more similar as it looked like before..."
4. Depression .: "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"
5. Acceptance .: "Perhaps these boards will be a better place after some time with the changes..."
;7
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Although I dislike the placement I can live with it, but please, put the general FreeSpace related forums near the top above the general Gaming ones (and one could argue to put the gaming ones near the bottom above the general discussion ones). If one argues that this placement was done for people to see the focus of the community, the current placement doesn't make sense.
As for the split, this is an idea I still don't understand why. It makes absolutly no sense to have 3 general discussion forums. Even more when one of them is hidden from the majority of the users.
Also... I've never seen Bobboau like this... :shaking:
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Polls posted by people out of frustration tend to lead to bad data.
You want some real counts, go count the actual opinions in some of those threads. Code the survey to those opinions.
Having a big bucket that will naturally lead to a bigger number will make the statistic pretty useless.
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gah, meant that for the other poll, and having two of these is confusing, and now we have the conversation in 3 or 4 places.
If you really want a survey, go to that post in the padded cell forum and count individuals, then code the opinions as follows, and do it in stages, so first pass:
1) identify all the positives and all the generally negatives and al lthe purely apathetic ones.
2) Second pass, take all the positives and see if there are common themes (like the position, hate the split)
3) do the same for the negatives.
Then you will have useful numbers, and even the start of a useful survey. Creating useful statistics that AREN'T subverted by the choices initially is an art/science.
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I wish I could spell. more coffee, hopefully that was not opaque enough to make my point nonsense.
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"Like the placement, hate the split"
whats the split ?
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The split of the Hard Light Forum (General Discussion) into The Pub, The Meeting Hall (exclusively for those who ask to join), and The Padded Cell (where nutso stuff gets put, or supposed nutso stuff... if ppl start misbehaving, the thread gets put here).
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i wanna see any forums that i currently cant see but that i could see
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yeah, like the one were the future of the forums is decided.
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Yeah, and the way to have your voice heard is to rant like a lunatic. Knock it off, you are better than that, Bob.
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not when I'm pissed.
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Then I over-estimated you.
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I don't like Hard Light when my second-most-active posting section no longer counts.
EDIT: Just changed something
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Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.
Not enough to be completely ignored, now we are required to be all nice and politically correct?
Yeah, apparently :rolleyes:
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And Irony means 'contains Iron' I presume?
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HLP == AOL
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It's just one thing after another isn't it? It's been explained why the boards were re-arranged, so that new visitors would be able to see the SCP and Modding stuff without having to scroll through our own debating area. The splitting and post count thing is a problem, I'm 100% certain that Admin are aware of that by now, though recent behaviour has done little to help our cause. Then it was 'The Mods should be Modding properly', and now this.....
It's like you lot aren't happy unless you're being 'persecuted' in some way.
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Just lock the thread and be over with it.
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I've been inclined to leave it open, since it's more or less the last one and I do believe that people should be allowed to state their opinion. Problem is the only people actually stating an opinion are the ones who don't like it, since those who don't mind are off being more productive.
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Well I don't really like it but I don't care too much anymore. Just get used to the new layout and get along with your lives.
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i dont mind it so much. it means that people otherwise showing up to talk n stuff get to scroll past SWC every time they do so.
gotta say, i can't complain about that :p
although, there are people taking this a bit seriously, its just a little middle-mouse action to get down here.
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Can we just get the post count allowed in the debate hall and the pub? That's all i really want now.
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Where is the "Hate the placement, hate the split, loved the time before every third interesting thread became locked" option?
EDIT: Oops, I voted for hate the placement, like the split. Really, I hate the split. -1, +1.
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I, uhm, clicked the wrong one. So scratch one for "Hate the placement, hate the split" to add one for "Like the placement, hate the split".
See? I'm not all negative about it. I don't care about the placement since if the boards weren't split you could just bookmark General Discussion and not even have to scroll the extra little bit if you don't want to.
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accept that freespace is dead and your not getting any new members, now put it back to how it was, if you really REALLY need to do something move the normal boards below the projects but dont split em....
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Yeah, 300 new members since January is really dead......
I think this has gone far enough, it's good to see that most people are calming down, now, just maybe, we can start trying to convince Admin that the forums are worth remerging and the post counts re-enabled. We certainly weren't going to get it while people were shouting and pointing fingers.
I think this thread has served it's purpose.