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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xelion on January 22, 2002, 06:33:00 am
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okay; I was opening a dat (http://home.iprimus.com.au/fedech2/windowsfile.jpg) file with open with and I forgot to (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif) uncheck the box(in the red circle) (http://home.iprimus.com.au/fedech2/openwith.jpg) ; now the file has an ie (http://home.iprimus.com.au/fedech2/datfiles.jpg) symbol instead of the windowsfile symbol and it automatically opens with ie and I don't exactly want it this way; could anyone possibly tell me how to reverse this process. (I've tried going into the View\Folder Options\File Types; its not there). Just a Q?? How do you remove programs from the Open With section that have already been permanently deleted.
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Max
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Now i use XP so it might be different, but... :O
go to folder options-->file types
(http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/Folder.gif)
Look under Advanced
(http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/Advanced.gif)
Change stuff. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Thanks for the Help; though I've tried that and the file type (dat) isn't listed in there. First time I saw any xp panel though..seems to have a new look. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Max
Flash Developer
Ps6 Beginner
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Since its a .dat file, Windows will likely never let you directly edit its association. Your best bet is to change that association manually using the method outlined below:
1. Click on a .dat file.
2. Hold SHIFT and right click on the file.
3. Choose "Open With..."
4. Select an application.
5. do NOT uncheck 'always open with this application'
Your other option is to scour your registry. There's a program out there, though I cannot remember its name, that allows you to edit all file associations. If you could find that (or a workalike) you could just delete the .dat association directly.
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There's probably an easier way of doing this, but the following should work: (registry method)
Open up Regedit and go into HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/.dat/ . Create a new directory called shell in here. Inside that, create a directory called open. Inside of that, make another directory called command. (command goes inside open, which goes inside shell)
Change the default value of the command folder to the full path to the program (if the program is in the windows folder you just need the name of the exe) and add in " %1" after it. (make sure you add in the space between the path and the % sign) This is how it appears to be done with the default files.
[This message has been edited by CP5670 (edited 01-22-2002).]
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im not sure this will work right, but in your registary in \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ find .txt and change .dat to look like .txt
this will make it open in notepad (hopefully)
The dat file however should be in your file types now under internet explorer.
Finally, this is what my .dat looks like under registary
Name: (Default)
Value: (value not set)
Name: NoOpen
Value:
and just in case you dont know how to access your registary, goto start > run and type in regedit
edit: ALWAYS back up your registary before editing it, and i cannot guarantee these will work.
[This message has been edited by vadar_1 (edited 01-22-2002).]
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WHY are you running windows 98?!?!
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its alot better than ME or XP
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Originally posted by mikhael:
Your other option is to scour your registry. There's a program out there, though I cannot remember its name, that allows you to edit all file associations. If you could find that (or a workalike) you could just delete the .dat association directly.
No need to do all that, the program you're looking for is called winfile, its the old Windows explorer from win 3.x
you find it by going to run, then type winfile and that opens the program. Under the file heading, look for Associations, and thats where you can do everything that you need to do.
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98, 95 and ME are piles of bug ridden *****
so is XP home edition from what i've heard.
2000 and XP pro are far more stable, far faster and just better in every way.
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I'm seriously thinking about replacing ME (what I currently have) with XP Pro; the only things driving me away at this point are the dos compatibility issues and the online activation stuff.
No need to do all that, the program you're looking for is called winfile, its the old Windows explorer from win 3.x
It's far better than Windows Explorer too; there is a patch out there to allow it to support the long filenames, which makes it the program of choice IMHO.
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win2Kp is the onl viable option really.
its got enough support and XP is too buggy a platform to run on unless you're a power user.
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
its alot better than ME or XP
Originally posted by wEvil:
win2Kp is the onl viable option really.
its got enough support and XP is too buggy a platform to run on unless you're a power user.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) Maybe you should try using it for 6 months before spouting crap like that...
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Ive been running it for 2 years, in both professional (80xHP vectras p2p hooked up to a SCO unix server) and home environments.
Not many problems at all.
Please try to be less insulting next time you disagree.
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Originally posted by wEvil:
Ive been running it for 2 years, in both professional (80xHP vectras p2p hooked up to a SCO unix server) and home environments.
Not many problems at all.
Please try to be less insulting next time you disagree.
I'm sorry but I'm getting sick and tired of reading crap on message boards like:
"XP sucks because its buggy"
"XP sucks because it has raw sockets"
"XP sucks because its UI looks like its been designed by 5 year olds"
"WINDOWS 98 SI TEH BESTS WINDOWS OS EVAR!!!!!1111"
When half the people spouting that crap haven't even used it or even seen it beyond pictures in magazines and on websites. I've been using NT for about 2 years myself, ever since I upgraded to this Pentium II (what attracted me was the fact that since its written entirely in 32 bit code, as opposed to Windows 9x 16/32 bit code base, it can run up to 50% faster on properly optimised architectures like the P6 at the heart of my PII), starting with NT4, progressing to 2k and finally upgrading to XP and out of all three I have to say XP is the best.
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Ok, I tried Installing XP yesterday, and it went kinda freaky on me. So I've gone back to my old OS for now. Firstly It can't find my ISDN card which just might be a driver problem, so hopefully I can fix that myself. BUT THEN! I tried playing an old DOS game like Monkey island! It didn't work! Don't tell me they threw away the Dos emulator aswell?! I loved those old games.
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce:
On another note, you can't even play old dos games on it! What about the classics?! Monkey Island, Monkey Island 2, above all else! Once its gotten updated more, can play old DOS games
Thats a feature. Windows NT seperates the hardware from the software through something called a Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL). This means applications can't directly address the hardware. This makes the OS a tad more stable but at the cost of not being able to run DOS games. XP improves this situation somewhat by providing limited DOS sound emulation however it only emulates the SB2.0 and not the more useful SB16. Also, games that try and find the sound hardware for themselves will almost always fail however if you can tell a game exactly where to find the sound hardware you should be able to get it to work. I was able to get Duke Nukem 3D working fine with full sound. Also surely Windows 2000 drivers exist for your ISDN card, what stopped you using those?
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"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
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Ok, I tried Installing XP yesterday, and it went kinda freaky on me. So I've gone back to my old OS for now. Firstly It can't find my ISDN card which just might be a driver problem, so hopefully I can fix that myself. BUT THEN! I tried playing an old DOS game like Monkey island! It didn't work! Don't tell me they threw away the Dos emulator aswell?! I loved those old games.
Same here; this is one of the main reasons I have not upgraded yet. Monkey Island and its sequel were simply hilarious. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
If I can get a game to work properly on WinME (which has no option to revert to true DOS mode), is it a safe bet that it will probably work on XP as well?
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD:
Also surely Windows 2000 drivers exist for your ISDN card, what stopped you using those?
I tried looking for them, but it couldn't find them. But that doesen't matter now, What I've done is download every single driver update for all my hardware. So now I can just reinstall them and get hopefull compatability. On DOS games, I've read there's also a compatability feature, much like Win98/ME so I'll give it one last chance. THEN comes the ultimate test. SPEED. I've recorded my 3DMark2001 test score and I'm going to compare it to the one I do under XP. I'll keep ya'll posted. Whell... I'll just go and install XP again...
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce:
On DOS games, I've read there's also a compatability feature, much like Win98/ME so I'll give it one last chance.
I can tell you now if you don't have an ISA sound card that won't work. While the compatibility mode does bypass the HAL PCI soundcards use different hardware settings than ISA cards which are normally too high for most games to detect. Under Win9x this was solved by the provision of DOS mode emulation drivers but since NT never needed these drivers none were ever written. The DOS sound emulation in XP does exactly the same thing as those drivers but with drastically reduced functionality (since it emulates an SB 2.0 instead of an SB16).
Oh and about speed, I actually did a speed test on my system while I was still using an XP beta and recorded exactly the same score as I did under Win2k which was slightly superior to the score under WinME.
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XP is 2000 with a few bells& whistles and from what i've seen of it its actually quite a bit faster (More responsive etc.)
I personally dont like the UI but i grew up with C:\> so i probably wouldnt :P
I just dont use it because the driver support is still young (like with win2k when i first got hold of it) and as with ANY new OS there are bound to be bugs (like win2k when it first came out...3 service packs later things are better!)
I wasnt slagging off XP, i was slagging off 9x.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
And if i want to play old DOS games..hehe...i have a friend whos selling an old pentium 120/32mb SDRAM for a few pints down the pub.
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Originally posted by wEvil:
XP is 2000 with a few bells& whistles and from what i've seen of it its actually quite a bit faster (More responsive etc.)
Some of the bells and whistles like improved permission handling (being able to set inheritance and force a set of permissions down an entire directory tree instead of set permissions on files, then directories, go down a level and repeat is a godsend) and the improvements in application compatibility I find are impossible to live without.
I personally dont like the UI but i grew up with C:\> so i probably wouldnt :P
I have to admit I wasn't the biggest fan of the new XP Luna GUI either when I first saw the screenshots but after getting hold of a beta I was determined to at least give it a go, knowing the off switch was only a few mouse clicks away. In the end I didn't need it, the new shell was far more functional than I realised.
I just dont use it because the driver support is still young (like with win2k when i first got hold of it) and as with ANY new OS there are bound to be bugs (like win2k when it first came out...3 service packs later things are better!)
Actually driver support isn't that young. Its essentially the same driver model thats implemented in 2k and to a limited extent in ME (although you can't install ME drivers on 2k and vice versa) so hardware manufacturers have had plenty of time to write halfway decent drivers for it. I personally haven't had any major driver issues with it. As for bugs I haven't come across anything that seriously impedes my productivity yet.
I wasnt slagging off XP, i was slagging off 9x.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) I've been slagging of 9x ever since I installed 2k on my system. While I ran NT4 it was a necessary evil seeing as NT had no support for DirectX >3.0. 2k reduced my dependence on it dramatically and XP has allowed me to eliminate it completely.
And if i want to play old DOS games..hehe...i have a friend whos selling an old pentium 120/32mb SDRAM for a few pints down the pub.
As soon as I get rid of this Pentium II and replace it with something a little faster I'm going to try running Win98 under Connectix Virtual PC again. I tried it before and the results were promising but my PII just couldn't supply enough grunt to make playing them an enjoyable experience. That way
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Wasurenaide...
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"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
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Well, I've installed XP, and I've been testing it. Well, I did get a slightly higher score on 3DMark2001 so I know now that that **** about it slowing down is not true. On DOS games I finally got Monkey Island 2 working, but I can't get even Adlib working. But atleast I got Roland so thats enough for now. And most importantly I'm online. So all in all, I was too shocked with all those incompatabilities in the beggining and freaked out. So now when I reinstalled it with all the driver updates allready downloaded. Not a single program. Also the weird blueness of it can be turned off if desired. But I'm starting to get used to it. Hmpf, never thought I'd say it, but hey, this is a pritty damn good OS! Hell, if FS2 works, then all is fine! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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The interface looks pretty weird to me but I have heard that it can be reverted to the old-style thing if desired.
Can XP do SB16 soundcard emulation?
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Adlib doesn't work since its unsupported by the Sound Blaster v2.0 that the XP sound emulation is based on. I can't get the music in SkyRoads (the best part of the game IMO) working for exactly the same reason. The "blueness" you refer to is the new Luna shell. The default blue theme isn't the best I'll admit, the only reason I still use it is neither of the other two match my wallpaper. The Silver one is pretty cool but M$ should have made the Start button something other than green, perhaps something to match the taskbar itself. The good news is your not limited to just those three themes. New themes can be downloaded for free at places like http://www.themexp.com ("http://www.themexp.com") so don't turn Luna off until you've at least had a look at that site, some of those themes look damn nice.
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"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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The Skyroads game is pretty cool. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Some of the better DOS games I have that I can recall to memory include the following:
Crash
Descent
Doom
Dune 2
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
Mission Critical
Monkey Island
Monkey Island 2
Raptor
Scorched Earth
Skyroads
The Dig
These all work fine for me under ME (with full sound) without using any special DOS emulation systems but I'm not too sure how they will do under XP. Do any of you have any of these and know how well they work on XP?
[This message has been edited by CP5670 (edited 01-26-2002).]
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Originally posted by CP5670:
Crash
never heard of that one...
Descent
tried it, sound was choppy. Your mileage may vary
Doom
Might work, but you're probably better off downloading one of the myriad Win32 engines for it and running it in XP native mode
Dune 2
never tried it
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
never tried it
Mission Critical
never tried it
Monkey Island
Monkey Island 2
haven't tried them personally but Dark_4ce appreantly got them working
Raptor
haven't actually tried this, it may work but then, it might not. I'll try it and see what happens
Update: I just tried it and both sound and music work fine except the music seemed a little slower than I remember it. Again, your mileage may vary
Scorched Earth
never tried it
Skyroads
SFX work but music doesn't
The Dig
never tried it
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Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
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[This message has been edited by Admiral LSD (edited 01-26-2002).]
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I got The monkey island games working, but not with Adlib nor Sound Blaster setups.
As for Fate of Atlantis, got Midi but sound stops. Thats due to a fast computer, I downloaded the patch, but it doesent seem to work at all.
Since there is no SB16 emulation, I got it to work with the SB 2.0, but with damn poor quality sound. Alot of stuttering.
I doubt it will take long for M$ to do some sort of update to allow sb16 emulation.
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HEHEHEHEHEHE!!! I found a sb16 emulator! All the games I told you about previously work fully NOW on XP since it is its OWN emulation software! Its called VDMSound 2.0.4!
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound ("http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound")
Trust me!!! IT WORKS! WOHOO! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by CP5670:
The Skyroads game is pretty cool. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Some of the better DOS games I have that I can recall to memory include the following:
Crash
Descent
Doom
Dune 2
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
Mission Critical
Monkey Island
Monkey Island 2
Raptor
Scorched Earth
Skyroads
The Dig
Dude!!! You're my generation!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) Scorched Earth (No Kibittzing!!), Dune 2 (ok, let's move 5 units... *click click, click click, click click, click click, click click*), Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (can I get that game as abandonware somewhere?).... nostalgia city!
BTW, you forgot a few: Jazz Jackrabbit, Tyrian, Commander Keen, SimCity (and 2000), FutureWars (!!!), all the Space Quests... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Dude!!! You're my generation!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) Scorched Earth (No Kibittzing!!), Dune 2 (ok, let's move 5 units... *click click, click click, click click, click click, click click*), Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (can I get that game as abandonware somewhere?).... nostalgia city!
BTW, you forgot a few: Jazz Jackrabbit, Tyrian, Commander Keen, SimCity (and 2000), FutureWars (!!!), all the Space Quests... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif)
Mine too... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) Ahhh, I have fond memories of Scorched Earth, JJ, and Commander Keen... Keen remains one of my favourite game series ever... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce:
HEHEHEHEHEHE!!! I found a sb16 emulator! All the games I told you about previously work fully NOW on XP since it is its OWN emulation software! Its called VDMSound 2.0.4!
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound ("http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound")
Trust me!!! IT WORKS! WOHOO! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
oh that... I heard about that over at ntcompatibiles forums... A lot of games don't work with it especially build engine games.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Mine too... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) Ahhh, I have fond memories of Scorched Earth, JJ, and Commander Keen... Keen remains one of my favourite game series ever... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Oh man I loved that age of games. I remember when I got my first Larry game and it was SO cool! I practically bought all the sierra games then. I still got em in my little sierra box, for my Amiga. Lets see, theres, all the Larry's, All the Space Quests, all the King's Quests, all the Quest for Glories (two was the best), aaah, the good ol' Prince of Persia, Wolfenstein 3D, and others. Never liked keen that much, but Scorched Earth had to be one of the best and simple games Ever to come out in those days! Where else could you stock up on mega explosive weaponry and blow you're friends tank out of the ground! Heh, I still have all my old games for Amiga as well, IE Speedball II, Lost Patrol, Lost Vikings, Populous, Pools of Darkness, Rock and Roll, and others. Man those were the days ! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
On the VDMSound, I think the latest version of it has fixed that problem.