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Title: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 01, 2007, 10:07:46 am
Dear HLP Members:

Hello. I am JohnDoe.  I've just gotten the Internet, and I am amazed at the amount of stuff you can do with it!  All the people are so helpful too!  E-mail is so great;  I can help so many people with it!  For example, there's this guy in Nigeria who wants me to help him refinance his government!  He seems so honest too...I can't help but think of aiding him.  The only problem is, I don't know how to respond to e-mail, so it just sits there.  It's the same problem with all that free medicine too... 

In the interest of helping more people, I used this thing called "Google" to look for "help."  Unfortunately, I didn't spell it right...  (My friend told me you use keyboards with your feet, but it's so hard to do...)  I ended up with hlp instead and ended up here.  But this place looks interesting...I see a lot of references to "modification" and "Free Space."  Are you a real estate company that sells custom land, or something like that?  If so, I'd love to help out!

One last question though:  What are all the little faces on this screen, above this word box?

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2007, 10:13:45 am
My friend told me you use keyboards with your feet, but it's so hard to do...

You don't, you use a keyboard with your hands.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: redsniper on April 01, 2007, 10:17:18 am
This is our April Fool's joke? Psshhh...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2007, 10:19:29 am
The most reasonable assumption...

P.S.:  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

I believe this has something to do with it...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 01, 2007, 10:33:10 am
@Snail:  That looks like a code.  It's separated into groups of three, maybe each group is a letter?

@JohnDoe:  Those e-mails are spam.

This is our April Fool's joke? Psshhh...

I think the admins would do something more than this...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2007, 10:35:19 am
I was hoping for something Snail-EAT-Bunny related. :( But this is interesting... (or stupid).

Actually Tyrian, it could be someone's 'private' April fool's.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 01, 2007, 10:46:21 am
Dear HLP Members:

Why did you just say those e-mails are canned meat?  Or are you using some Internet "slang?"

And I figured out what the faces are! :D

Also, I fixed the mistake I made in my first message. ::) Silly me...

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O   ;7
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Falcon on April 01, 2007, 11:30:56 am
Welcome to the internet new user!



Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Nuclear1 on April 01, 2007, 11:33:13 am
The most reasonable assumption...

P.S.:  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

I believe this has something to do with it...

Morse Code, more than likely.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fineus on April 01, 2007, 11:50:05 am
He's not one of ours, and I just ran an IP check on him. He's a new member - so be nice :)

Hey JohnDoe, welcome to HLP. Hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Herra Tohtori on April 01, 2007, 11:50:53 am
Fascinating. He has already mastered the art of ghosting. He has written two messages so far (at least in this thread) but his post count remains at zero... what could this possibly mean... :nervous: :drevil:

Anyway, playing along... Yes, the Internet's users have their own slang, or jargon if you will. But it's not only that, there's a whole another culture with it's own phenomena in the Internets, closely connected to the terms developed and used in the internets.

First of all, you need to learn that all internets are formed of multiple series of pipes. No further knowledge is required, but it is of course never a bad thing.

Secondly, never try to find out what goatse means.*

Thirdly, if you start seeing a lot of owls with unintelligible gibbersih in capital letters superimposed on top of them, and no actual text written in the message, do not be troubled. You see, in addition to using specific terms, we internet dwellers also use hieroglyph-like sign language to transmit our emotions if we think they can't be described in words. People tend to think that pictures tell more than words, and they also are an exellent way to continuously increase the bandwidth requirement (the diameter of the tubes) of Internets. That means that as the bandwidth of internets grows and the percentage of inane crap remains about the same, the part of bandwidth not used for inane crap allows you to use the internets better. Emoticons - those little pictures you already learned to use - are one form of this phenomenon, but some stil lprefer to use more complex images of owls, retarded people, movie characters or comics to transmit their fiilings via the internets. If you don't understand the meaning of some more obscure hieroglyph or letter/number combination, don't hesitate to ask. Usually people in internets are very friendly and forgiving for newcomers, unless they stop being newcomers and evolve into n00bs. A n00b is a relatively experienced internet user who, despite their time in the internets, still behaves like when they were genuine newcomers.

Unfortunately, many people are so frustrated about real n00bs that they have difficulties telling the difference between n00bs and newcomers, and simply treat everyone like n00bs just to save time.

*about 75 % of people who don't know what goatse is, want to find out regardless if they know about it's existence... it's a form of "what's behind that hill" syndrome, a nearly irresistable urge to go and find out. It is your call, but don't come accusing me if you decide to find out. Anyway, it's likely that you will find out what it is even without trying, but if you go and find out what it means you will likely regret it. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fury on April 01, 2007, 11:52:50 am
Fascinating. He has already mastered the art of ghosting. He has written two messages so far (at least in this thread) but his post count remains at zero... what could this possibly mean... :nervous: :drevil:
Have you by any chance read this board's description lately?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 01, 2007, 12:03:28 pm
The most reasonable assumption...

P.S.:  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

I believe this has something to do with it...

Morse Code, more than likely.

You're right...But in his second post, he said he fixed a mistake in his first post.  He then added SOS to the code.  SOS is pretty common.  Isn't it . . . - - - . . .?

And JohnDoe, there is one thing that Herra didn't cover, and that's when the Internet's plumbing gets clogged.  That's the number one reason why you can't connect to the Internet, or can't even receive e-mails.  A surge in inane crap will fill the tubes quicker, making the Internet slower.

EDIT:  SOS is . . . - - - . . .
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Herra Tohtori on April 01, 2007, 12:25:41 pm
Fascinating. He has already mastered the art of ghosting. He has written two messages so far (at least in this thread) but his post count remains at zero... what could this possibly mean... :nervous: :drevil:
Have you by any chance read this board's description lately?

Ah, that... forgot about it. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fragrag on April 01, 2007, 12:35:09 pm
I can't believe you guys... Where's the beam?! Seriously, I can't find it..
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Aardwolf on April 01, 2007, 12:39:41 pm
I find it kind of odd that his email address is "[email protected]"
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Desert Tyrant on April 01, 2007, 12:51:24 pm
My friend told me you use keyboards with your feet, but it's so hard to do...

You don't, you use a keyboard with your hands.
Or your face.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Herra Tohtori on April 01, 2007, 12:51:48 pm
I can't believe you guys... Where's the beam?! Seriously, I can't find it..


It's used by writing

:welcome:

...oops. :D

I meant <colon>welcome<colon>. :p
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Aardwolf on April 01, 2007, 12:55:05 pm
This is evil and should be burned.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fragrag on April 01, 2007, 12:57:56 pm
Ok, about his postscripta, here's what I tried:

P.S.:  SOS  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O (His message)


This is what I did, try replacing every letter with an alternating - and .,
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.

I then replaced the letters with the corresponding symbol, I get "D W U G D W G U K", obviously not it, but I didn't try switching the symbols but I don't have much time now, but one other thing I did was replace the letter with the corresponding Morse code, you get this then:
-..... .--.-. .-.. ...-. ---.. .--.- --.-. .-...- -.---

And without spaces
-......--.-..-.....-.---...--.---.-..-...--.---

try using this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Intcode.png)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2007, 01:34:23 pm
If John Doe is his real name, I am very doubtful.

Anyway, are you finding it easier to type with your hands than your feet. :P
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Black Wolf on April 01, 2007, 01:44:00 pm
What the hell are you guys doing? This is a really weak april fools joke.

You are an admin in disguise and I claim my five pounds!
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: jr2 on April 01, 2007, 01:44:31 pm
He has no posts according to his profile; I'm counting two so far...
EDIT: e-mail is "[email protected]"?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Black Wolf on April 01, 2007, 01:50:26 pm
The no posts are because he's not posted outside the pub forum.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: neo_hermes on April 01, 2007, 02:43:53 pm
i wonder if batman has something to do with this.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 01, 2007, 03:09:21 pm
Hmm... I liked that I love bees Xbox gag...

I'll look into this too.  :D

Edit - I really haven't done anything, but the first thing that comes to mind is
an IP address... there are enough characters for one there.

Or Google or another search, you know how you subtract things to be
searched for or excluded from the results? With the "-" tag...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Bob-san on April 01, 2007, 03:37:44 pm
This is a weak April Fools Day joke...

IF you haven't already noticed... why would a new forumite visit here first? This is almost a cult of a site; we may be popular but we're pretty much the only place (save GW) with activity about FS2. Anyways... it's a stupid joke, admins... even more stupid than Google TiSP Beta.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2007, 03:44:12 pm
He is not an FS2 fan. He thinks HLP is a real estate company.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Bob-san on April 01, 2007, 03:53:39 pm
SO then why would he be here in the first place? I don't see any Reality forum around, and hard-light.net doesn't say anything about Reality either.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 01, 2007, 04:02:13 pm
Read his post. ::)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Bob-san on April 01, 2007, 04:12:44 pm
Read my post. ::)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 01, 2007, 04:43:10 pm
Let's flame him until he talks :drevil: !!!!

EDIT:
Quote
And without spaces
-......--.-..-.....-.---...--.---.-..-...--.---

try using this

I'm trying to decipher that now. I'll post updates.

the first word is likely 'the' (possibly)
-..... (the)    .--.-..-.....-.---...--.---.-..-...--.---

possible second word:

-..... (the)   .--.-..-... (rents)  ..-.---...--.---.-..-...--.---

The rents too high?


That doesn't work...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 01, 2007, 05:04:33 pm
It doesn't have to be international morse code... it could be the older American style.

I made it into the American version... came out with this... but haven't figured a translation (if any)
yet.

P.S.:  SOS  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

. . .   .  .   . . .   (SOS)

- . . . . .    (H)

. -  . .  .     (C)

. _ . _   (N)

. . . - .  (S)

- . . . . . (Z)

. . . - . - (Q)

- - . - .  (G)

. - . . . - (B)

- . .  . (O)

See here for American Morse... http://home.clara.net/rod.beavon/morse.htm
Also... I can't seem to confirm it, but wasn't there an episode title of BSG written in morse?
That's got me wondering if there's a cheat code or something...


Also - I found a "s"oftware "o"f "s"weden page with an old old BSG game...
http://www.obsti.se/sos/
But it may very well be unrelated to this.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 01, 2007, 05:06:20 pm
Screw it this is boring and hurts my head.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 01, 2007, 05:48:42 pm
Dear HLP Members:

Sorry, I couldn't get back to this site because my Internet connection went down.  I guess the tubes got clogged.  I'm glad they got some Draino through there. 

Thanks for the welcome laser though!  So I take it that this isn't a real estate site then?  I've done some looking around, and you guys are making a game right?  I'll have to check it out.

And I see that my P.S. is generating some curiosity too.

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O ;7
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 01, 2007, 05:54:40 pm
I bet that that were the joke. All the admins and mods are gonna be like:

"HaHahA!!! you played around with that gibberish for HOURS and wasted your TIME!!! haha!!! FOOLS!!!!! That code didn't mean ANYTHING!!!! hahah!!!"

 But not me, I'm smart!! HAHA!! I WIN AGAIN, ADMINS!!!! :p
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 01, 2007, 06:11:52 pm
JGZinv, based on the link you gave, I think it's international Morse Code.  It would be more well known, plus old US Morse doesn't use dashes.  JohnDoe's code does.

Fragrag, you might have something there...You gave me an idea too.  If you don't mind, I'd like to take what you did and try something.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Nuclear1 on April 01, 2007, 06:25:44 pm
I tried breaking it and only got as far as "I AM" (taken from ...--- which originally meant "SO")  Nothing else after that though.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: redsniper on April 01, 2007, 07:00:27 pm
I bet it'll say "I am Sandwich"
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 01, 2007, 07:25:00 pm
Dear HLP Members:

I didn't think joining this website would cause this much excitement!  You must really want to make sure that all your members feel welcome.  I've looked at the thing called the "SCP" and that looks neat.  You guys are really artistic.  How much do you get paid to do this?

I've found out how to "download" things, so I'm getting it now.  It takes so long though...I'm sure it'll be worth it though.

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS I am S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O  ;7
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: achtung on April 01, 2007, 07:28:51 pm
Nah, I don't want to be a party pooper.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Ulala on April 01, 2007, 07:51:25 pm
This is a weak April Fools Day joke...

No way of knowing it's actually an AFD joke, nor a weak one for that matter.

His P.S. has changed to show the "I am" and I assume this is thanks to nuclear1's deciphering.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: neo_hermes on April 01, 2007, 07:51:59 pm
i've got gas.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Bob-san on April 01, 2007, 08:26:39 pm
This is a weak April Fools Day joke...

No way of knowing it's actually an AFD joke, nor a weak one for that matter.

His P.S. has changed to show the "I am" and I assume this is thanks to nuclear1's deciphering.
SO we now know this is part of the joke, Sandwich... I don't decipher and I don't feel like being online. Good luck. You non-mod/admins need it.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Flipside on April 01, 2007, 08:48:21 pm
Help! I am a Prisoner in a spam factory? ;)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 01, 2007, 09:13:42 pm
I really don't see why the act is being upheld, we know it's local.
.- -   .-.. . .- ... -   -.-. .... .- -. --. .   -.-- --- ..- .-.   -. .- -- . .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.-   .--- --- -.   -... --- -... --..--   .--- --- .... -.   -.. . . .-. . --..--   - .... .   .--- --- .... -. --..--   .--- --- -.   .--. .. . .-. .-. . --..--   .--- --- .... -.   .--- .- -.-. --- -...   ... -.-. .... -- .. -.. - --..--   .-.. --- -. --.   .--- --- .... -.   ... .. .-.. ...- . .-. .-.-.- ... --- -- .   ...- .- .-. .. . - -.--   .--. .-.. . .- ... .  :)

Anyways... I'm looking at it some more now.

It leaves this....

. . . - - . . .   I AM  . . . - . - - - . . . . - - . - - - - .- . . - . . . - - . - - -

S    O    S    I am    S-.     -Z.       .Q-         G-.     .B-          -.O

vertical key
S = ...
O = _ _
S = ...
H = _.....
C = ._._.  ._._
N = ._._
S = ..._.
Z = _ _ _...
Q = ._ _ ._ _
G = _ _ . _ .
B = . _ . . . _
O = _ . _ _ _

I don't see how there's an M in this section.... M being two dashes" - - "<--- like that.
_..... / ._._. ._._ / ._._
     I     a
Unless there's a pattern that says every few digits, something is skipped. H C and N as listed did not contain
the - - so something's still missing. Could be random, but that's not likely as we're meant to solve it.

I can come up with all sorts of characters... 8, YT, F, and others...
Have to figure out the pattern though.  *ponders code*
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Flipside on April 01, 2007, 09:20:13 pm
To be honest, I'm as much in the dark about this as you, I only moderate these boards, I have my own suspicions, obviously, but they are no more educated than anyone elses.

In fact, I very nearly thought it was a forumite screwing around and locked the thread.. Now that would have been a good April Fools ;)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 01, 2007, 09:45:03 pm
Well considering the search I just finished, basing off of other's comments...

You're not out of the group of suspects.  :D

Suspects include... (let's see if I'm right later and this was worth anything)

karajorma
Flipside
Skippy
DaBrain
IceFire
Windrunner
Styxx
Kalfireth
IPAndrews
cheif1983
SadisticSid

 :)
Course it just could be planted information too...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 01, 2007, 09:46:50 pm
I just PMd doe like 10 times. That should bug him enough to start talking.

EDIT: I'll do it some more soon.

EDIT2: Curse this 20 PM/H limit!!! :mad:

Foiled again!!
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Bobboau on April 01, 2007, 11:35:54 pm
welcome to 1994
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Deepblue on April 02, 2007, 01:26:28 am
How much do we want to bet it's Goober?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Mefustae on April 02, 2007, 01:41:49 am
The sheer amount of naivety expressed in this thread amazes me.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: jr2 on April 02, 2007, 03:01:42 am
http://www.google.com/search?&q=hlp

He went all the way to the second page, where he found 3dactionplanet's old HLP link?  :lol:  Or did he go all the way to page 7 and find the link to hard-light.net?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fragrag on April 02, 2007, 06:20:47 am
Even if this is a lame April Fools, it's kinda Alternate Reality Game-ish so that's great :D
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fury on April 02, 2007, 06:25:54 am
Those who are betting JohnDoe to be an admin in disguise, be glad you aren't betting any money on it because you would lose. :p
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Mefustae on April 02, 2007, 06:27:27 am
Admin or no, if he's genuine i'll eat my hat.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 02, 2007, 07:15:10 am
Dear HLP Members:

Wow, still enthusiastic about my arrival!  thesizzler is apparently really interested in getting to know me.  And in case you were wondering, since it's no longer April Fools, I will say this: 

1.)  This is an inside job.
2.)  It's not anyone on JGZinv's list of suspects.
3.)  The letters given by JGZinv are correct, but they are not in the right place, nor is the method of deciphering correct.

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS I am S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O   ;7  (I then A are correct, and they are right next to each other)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Mefustae on April 02, 2007, 07:35:31 am
$20 on Goob.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 02, 2007, 08:20:16 am
Yay Goober.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Dysko on April 02, 2007, 12:05:09 pm
Hmm... I don't know why, but I think he is Aldo...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 02, 2007, 12:19:01 pm
Aldo? Why?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 12:30:01 pm
Darn it.... it's mashed up morse code and scrabble then.

Which as much as I've already posted, you other guys should be able to
crack another chunk off knowing that it's not in order.
There may also be a "B" in there somewhere, but that's older material.

Sandwich wasn't on the list for a reason, the rest of the names were compiled
by going through the admin and mod lists, and pulling those with the same
date and time location as Mister Doe here. But like I said, it could have been planted
information.

Doe -

I don't believe I said my letters were in the right spot now did I?
Nor did I say that was the way to decipher it, you assumed that.
Email formatting (how I'm keeping my notes) and board formatting is different too.
I also see you didn't take my advice to heart either...  :D

I'll go play with it more later, I've got things that need doing today.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 02, 2007, 01:07:33 pm
Dear HLP Members:

Here is a hint, courtesy of Mr. Fragrag's earlier work (I've modified it somewhat):

P.S.:  SOS  I am  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O
   ABC DEF GHI JKL MNO PQR STU VWX YZ

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS I am S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O  ;7
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Ulala on April 02, 2007, 01:21:03 pm
So do we get free money or something for figuring this out? Meh.. *starts working on it*
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Dysko on April 02, 2007, 01:56:31 pm
Aldo? Why?
I don't know... just my impression...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: redsniper on April 02, 2007, 02:02:45 pm
Actually, it's me.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 02, 2007, 02:19:09 pm
Maybe we should be comparing the "I am" part with what it was in code.  Maybe we could spot a pattern then...

Quote
P.S.:  SOS  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

...and...

Quote
P.S.:  SOS I am S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

So...

I = -H.
A = .-C
M = .N-

Just food for though maybe...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Dysko on April 02, 2007, 02:27:47 pm
Ok, that's enough letter to form Goober...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fineus on April 02, 2007, 02:42:11 pm
Shame that's not the answer...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 02, 2007, 03:48:01 pm
What if this doesn't have anything to do with morse code? Maybe it's its own code?

Maybe we should be comparing the "I am" part with what it was in code.  Maybe we could spot a pattern then...

Dear HLP Members:

Here is a hint, courtesy of Mr. Fragrag's earlier work (I've modified it somewhat):

P.S.:  SOS  I am  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O
   ABC DEF GHI JKL MNO PQR STU VWX YZ

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  SOS I am S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O  ;7

OKAY:

can we agree that " <- or .> letter <- or . >" = a different letter?

Note that when the letters change, they all stay withing the same group of three.


EDIT: what? tyrian?  :wtf:
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 03:52:55 pm
(to Tyrian) Tried that earlier...  :wtf:

You know, it doesn't "have" to be a name... it could just as easily say

I AM PURPLE

I AM RLYFAT

or anything else... doesn't "have" to be one letter per symbol either.
The example show so far is that one letter has equaled a symbol yes...
but it also is equal to the message converted completely in morse.
However in that case, you have to account for the M being out of place,
therefore it looks after you get it converted from full morse into various
set of letters - then it's a substitution and placement issue. So you might say it's a 2 part
cipher...

An example might be... *thinks* (actually never mind, this isn't right in retrospect)

1.First you take a message...
"Hello all out there"

2.Then you create a substitution for the letters.

H = A, e = B , l = C, o = D, a = E, u = F, t = G, h = H, r = I (yeah real simple)

3.Then you have this -
ABCCD ECC DFG GHBIB

4.Then take it and mix up the letters -

ACDCCEGCCBBIHGFBC

5.Then you make it into morse -
.- -.-. -.. -.-. -.-. . --. -.-. -.-. -... -... .. .... --. ..-. -... -.-.

You could then more or less substitute the individual letter for the sections of morse.

**
But in this case it looks more along the lines of taking the message, mixing up the original letters
then making into morse with the letters standing in for some of the morse parts.
**
So.. 1. "I am JGZINV"

2. N GI VIJ

3. -.   --. ..   ...- .. .---

4. -.   G ..   ...- .. J

5. I can't exactly explain it, I know "what" was done, but for some reason I can't explain it.
I frankly have a headache right now, it being related to this or not could be debatable. But the gist of
the idea is that he knew to begin with how he wanted the code to look, therefore made it during step
2 or 3 where the extra morse symbols on either side of the letters would combine with the letter
itself to create a different meaning once transposed back into full morse. This can be thought of as another security level for the entire cipher. Thus that's partially why the morse can be used to make various letters if it's squished together, you don't have a separation point.

However, I think we were give those points using the spaces for each letter in the text.
It may well be a mix of my first example that I said didn't apply and this one above,
all I can suggest is to look it over, mentally digest it, then try to apply it.

I don't think it's a pre made code like something already out there used
in WWII or something recent...  appears to be home brewed. It's a fairly good cipher.
Probably would be much harder without the original I AM being dropped into the
right place for us.

Since he wasn't clear as to if the substitution of 8, YT, and F...  I'm re-looking over what I did before anyway.
But like before, I need to get stuff done - I'm only writing this as I wait on a download.

Back to work... *goes to find some Tylenol*
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 02, 2007, 03:57:04 pm
SO, I was just randomly plugging letters in, and the only name I can get to work is tyrian (assuming that the letters have to stay within their little sections of three). :wtf:


EDIT: hey wait.. If the first two words are I AM, and Nuclear1 got those from "SO" in the "SOS", then why is the "SO" still in the code?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 04:13:07 pm
Because you didn't look at what he removed and substitued.

The I AM didn't come from there... the concept was right... the execution wasn't

You have to go play around with the full line of the morse code.
Take the letters and convert them into the Morse... then replace the letter, not the symbols
around it, with the equivalent Morse.

Then look at it, the H C N equaled the I A M... except the only place the M could
have come from in the line of full Morse was the far right side. I and A are right next
to each other as he said, H and C I believe.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 02, 2007, 04:15:52 pm
Poop. I thought I had something. I hate coincides  :doubt: .
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JohnDoe on April 02, 2007, 04:50:40 pm
Dear HLP Members:

I am Tyrian.  :D

Sincerely,
JohnDoe

P.S.:  Here's how the code works, it's in two parts:

The first part is the pattern:  SOS = . . . - - - . . .

The second part is the code:  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

This is a pattern based substitution cypher.

SOS has no meaning in the code.  Morse code is based on patterns of dots and dashes.  So is this.  The SOS sets the pattern of dots and dashes to decode the message.

What I did is this:

Here is the alphabet broken down into groups of three letters (The exception is the last group):

ABC DEF GHI JKL MNO PQR STU VWX YZ

Now for decoding:

Code:  -H.  .-C  .N-  S-.  -Z.  .Q-  G-.  .B-  -.O

Match each mark in SOS with its group (The matching mark follows the portion of code, so -H. goes with dot, etc.):

Code:  -H.(dot)  .-C(dot)  .N-(dot)  S-.(dash)  -Z.(dash)  .Q-(dash)  G-.(dot)  .B-(dot)  -.O(dot)

The regular letter acts as an identifying marker for the respective group in the alphabet.  So, -H. goes with the GHI group.  Since -H. is also associated with dot, the correct letter to insert is "I."  While G was replaced by dash, it isn't correct because it doesn't match the pattern of . . . - - - . . .  laid out by the SOS marker.

You then repeat the process for the remaining letters.

@thesizzler:  You're right about the deciphering.  You broke the code.  Congratulations!

@JGZinv:  You might have a career in codebreaking.

@All:  You all did really good.  Codebreaking is always done in teams.  You get the most diverse ideas that way!  You all did good work!

Oh yes, I almost forgot:  April Fools!
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fineus on April 02, 2007, 04:59:38 pm
Where's my "thankyou" for not busting you and revealing you as soon as the IP check came back? :p

Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Snail on April 02, 2007, 05:00:51 pm
Damn, it wasn't Aldo.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Goober5000 on April 02, 2007, 05:27:21 pm
$20 on Goob.
I'll take that $20, thanks. :)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 02, 2007, 05:27:40 pm
Check your PM's.

And thank you again! :D
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 05:29:08 pm
Darn...  :)

Ah well.

To explain what I was doing, over the last three days I was keeping
all my notes in e-mails (AOL is useless for note keeping) and yesterday
I figured that I was done with it/I'd posted everything worth keeping.
So I deleted my notes.

That, was a mistake.  :wtf:

But I knew it was Morse right off from the - . 's the SOS seemed
to be the primer (sp?). You had me guessing if the PS was part of the code or
not... but the fact you put the proper punctuation : in front of it didn't fit.

I didn't bother going into simple substitution because I thought that was only
going to be useful after converting from the long Morse version. Plus everyone else
was trying it, so I left that to them while focusing on the oddball path. Most of the
Morse didn't fit, that M is what had me stumped pretty much... I knew where it was from
due to messing around with the long Morse. The 3 pattern bugged me too, as that's a
usual sign of order or structure that is one of the early steps in WW cipher cracking.
Some of the stuff I had in my original posts, I edited out, wanting to see what "Doe"
was going to post back or if that would produce some ideas in others... so they were meant
to be nothing more than tossing an idea on the floor of discussion.
Really if you hadn't been talkative and we were doing this without further info,
it certainly would have been harder.

With the comments all being aimed at the mods and admin, that's why
I went off on a tangent and compared all the personal profile data.
I even went as far as visiting a number of your guy's personal sites
to see if you'd dabbled in code making or had boasted about it
on another forum. The only link I could establish was Sandwich was a prior
Yahoo GeoCities user. Which matches with the Yahoo address.

I was absolutely sure it was someone who'd posted in the thread and was
actively watching it. Reason being that 1. you'd have to know when a reply was there.
2. anyone doing this will want to watch the others trying. The only time I really suspected
you though, was that "Just a thought" comment. It was out of character, didn't fit "you"
it fit Doe then. Mainly my guess was Kalfireth, if I was sticking with a admin/mod though. ^_^

If nothing else, I considered writing back a code to you after this.
During some of my searching out on the net, I came across some different code
sites and styles. But on the other hand, I don't want anyone trying to
crack em for a week on end.  :)

I didn't participate in the I love bees thing as a cracker, I just liked watching the results.
My only real experience goes as far as watching programs, net info, and crosswords.
I tend to crack the "pick a code consoles" or cheat code things in games fairly easily though.

But yeah, good job all.  :yes:
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 02, 2007, 05:58:52 pm
Quote
SO, I was just randomly plugging letters in, and the only name I can get to work is tyrian

Quote
Because you didn't look at what he removed and substitued.

The I AM didn't come from there... the concept was right... the execution wasn't

You have to go play around with the full line of the morse code.
Take the letters and convert them into the Morse... then replace the letter, not the symbols
around it, with the equivalent Morse.

Then look at it, the H C N equaled the I A M... except the only place the M could
have come from in the line of full Morse was the far right side. I and A are right next
to each other as he said, H and C I believe.

Quote
Poop. I thought I had something. I hate coincides

Quote
I am Tyrian


I still win
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 06:05:29 pm
For clarity...

My reply was in regard to that last edit of yours stating "why"
didn't it match with the SO part... not disputing your results.

The first part I responded with - was sorta directed at nuclear1's post.
Being the "concept/execution" section.

If I'd had sense, I'd have realized my YT turned around was TY...
but I didn't have my notes from when I came up with that.
My 8, F, and B were likely from one of the sections that didn't match the SOS key.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 02, 2007, 06:11:35 pm
Wait a minute... If this wasn't the official HLP April Fools joke, then what was?


*glares at admins


Speaking of which, did any of the the admins other than Kali even know what was going on?
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: redsniper on April 02, 2007, 06:34:14 pm
The joke is, there was no joke.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 02, 2007, 06:43:24 pm
@JGZinv:  My response or thesizzler's?  (Been doing Calc all day, a little brain fried.)

@thesizzler:  Kalfireth wasn't in on it either.  No one was.  But when Kal did the IP lookup on JohnDoe, I got a little scared.  He saw my address and JohnDoe's address was the same.  I'm glad he played along.  *Whew*  And thanks again Kal!

The joke is, there was no joke.

What he said.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Polpolion on April 02, 2007, 07:20:32 pm
The joke is, there was no joke.

So I got that right too? Man, I'm good at this...
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 08:08:03 pm
My long post on page 4 was to you Tyrian.

The short one was to sizzler.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Flipside on April 02, 2007, 08:19:57 pm
Hehehe, I'm glad there are people on here who are good at codebreaking, I wasn't even going to attempt it :)

Nice one Tyrian :)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Fineus on April 02, 2007, 09:02:13 pm
The joke is, there was no joke.
Yep, please see the other April Fools joke. Sorry it wasn't anything more grandly entertaining... I figured this year it'd be better to go with something that didn't risk screwing up the forums - and the other admins agreed. Who knows, next year we might do something really original, like mock Wing Commander ;)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: redsniper on April 02, 2007, 10:27:29 pm
Fake Steak's death. :D
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: jr2 on April 02, 2007, 11:14:24 pm

To explain what I was doing, over the last three days I was keeping
all my notes in e-mails (AOL is useless for note keeping) and yesterday
I figured that I was done with it/I'd posted everything worth keeping.
So I deleted my notes.

That, was a mistake.  :wtf:

Look in your trash / deleted items folder, quick - sometimes you can get it back.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: JGZinv on April 02, 2007, 11:36:42 pm
Nope nada....  maybe if I'd done that this morning.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Ulala on April 03, 2007, 12:02:30 am
Hmm, missed my chance. Oh well, nice work team.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 03, 2007, 02:20:23 pm
Thanks for the positive feedback! :D

Now I ask this:  Would you all be interested in me making and posting more codes?  (No hidden identity thing, just good ol' codebreaking fun.)
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: BS403 on April 04, 2007, 12:59:37 am
When i saw the code, i figured it was you, because you where the one who did the two freespace codes awhile back.
I think
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Mefustae on April 04, 2007, 02:42:50 am
$20 on Goob.
I'll take that $20, thanks. :)
But I need that money for candy!
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: jr2 on April 04, 2007, 03:08:07 am
Thanks for the positive feedback! :D

Now I ask this:  Would you all be interested in me making and posting more codes?  (No hidden identity thing, just good ol' codebreaking fun.)

Why don't you create a cipher thread in the Pub?  Or maybe ask an admin to create a child board there.
Title: Re: Just Got the Internet!!!
Post by: Tyrian on April 04, 2007, 10:17:48 am
When i saw the code, i figured it was you, because you where the one who did the two freespace codes awhile back.
I think

I was wondering if anyone even remembered those...Guess so... :D

Why don't you create a cipher thread in the Pub?  Or maybe ask an admin to create a child board there.

I can't turn out codes that fast, but I will definitely post new ones there.