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Title: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Alikchi on April 21, 2007, 06:02:42 pm
Something I've been writing up for the FreeSpace Wiki (and possibly FSURP). I'd like to write histories of every Orion mentioned in FreeSpace, and possibly a few non-canon Orions as well. From there I might jump to Hecates.

I really like writing stuff like this, because it a) gets me more familiar with the sequence of events in FS and b) fleshes out the universe without getting too non-canon. I hope the embellishment I've done here makes sense, even though it is a work in progress.





GTD Cyrene
February 2nd, 2330 – November 7th, 2367




2330-2331

February 2nd, 2330: Laid down at Han-Ronald Shipyards in Earth orbit.

June 15th, 2331: Completed and christened the GTD Cyrene, after the ancient Greek city of Libya. After completing trials, Cyrene is assigned as flagship of the Terran 2nd Fleet, HQ Delta Serpentis. CO is Admiral Halkins.

September 4th, 2331: Participates in first major engagement in Delta Serpentis, repelling a major assualt by Vasudan fighters and bombers (assisted by the GTC Oberon.

2332

February 13th: GTD Cyrene and remainder of 2nd Fleet redeployed to Vega, a major battleground.

February 20th: Cyrene's Angel scout fighters discover a major Vasudan supply depot. The Cyrene herself is deployed and crushes the Vasudan fighters and freighters at the depot, capturing the valuable cargo. This has the effect of weakening the overall strength of the Vasudan forces in Vega.

March-December: Stalemate. The GTA and PVE are unable to force each other out of Vega. A war of attrition develops, with dozens of "slow-bleed" raids on isolated enemy outposts. No major engagements for nearly a year.

2332

February 2nd: The arrival of the GTD Eisenhower as flagship of the 4th Fleet heartens the crew of the Cyrene and the remainder of the 4th fleet. Their strength bolstered, the combined GTA fleets begin a steady advance towards the Vega-Antares node.

March: The first Typhon, PVD Typhon, leaves the Altair shipyards. Its first assignment is to take Vega.

April 2nd: The GTA 4th and 2nd fleets (flagships Eisenhower and Cyrene, respectively) have narrowed the Vasudan stranglehold into a small pocket containing a minor planet and the Vega-Antares node. Admiral Halkins believes victory is imminent.

April 14th: The Vega Engagement. Preoccupied with the Vega-Antares node, the GTA fails to notice the arrival of the PVD Typhon from Deneb. The first encounter with the Typhon-class destroyer ends with the destruction of the GTD Eisenhower and the 4th Fleet.

April 18th: The remnants of the 4th fleet are folded into the 2nd fleet, which is forced to retreat to Beta Aquilae. The Cyrene survives the retreat, although receiving heavy damage from the Typhon's escorting cruisers.

April 30th: The 2nd Fleet launches a counter attack on Vega, forcing the Typhon to retreat but taking horrendous losses in the process. Cyrene overheats her reactor and engines in the course of intense combat and eventually has to be towed from the field of battle. She is relieved as flagship of the 2nd Fleet by the GTD Soyakaze.

May-December: GTD Cyrene undergoes refit and reactor replacement in Delta Serpentis.

2333

January-December: Cyrene reassumes her role as flagship of 2nd Fleet in Delta Serpentis. Admiral Halkins remains her CO. No notable engagements occur during this period, as Delta Serpentis is mostly secure, although several Vasudan raiding parties are destroyed.

2334

January 6th: Along with other warships from the 2nd Fleet, Cyrene is transferred to 5th Fleet, which is in intense need of reinforcements after going on the offensive in Antares.

January 14th: Cyrene and her battle group arrive in Antares and are almost immediately attacked by Vasudan bombers and cruisers. Her Apollo fighters perform poorly against Vasudan Seth heavy assault fighters.

January 15th: Admiral Halkins is relieved of duty after physically assaulting an Apollo squadron leader and is sent to Tombaugh Station in Ribos. Replaced by Vice Admiral Hendryk Snow.

August: A massive assault is launched on the Vasudan holdout of Antares IV, led by the GTD Cyrene. Heavy damage is inflicted on both sides, but the attack appears to be gaining ground. The Vasudans prepare to deploy their trump card, a Typhon-class destroyer.

September: The Typhon is destroyed by the Cyrene and her bombers, in an action that is surprising to both sides. This is only the second Typhon ever destroyed. Heartened, the 5th Fleet pushes the Vasudans nearly to the base of their logistical lines, this time being sure to secure their flanks.

October-December: Multiple assaults are launched on the Vasuda-Antares node, led by the Cyrene and Galatea. All are repulsed with heavy losses as the Vasudans flood the system with reinforcements.

2335

January 8th: GTA launches Operation Thresher, also known as the Fifth Battle of the Vasuda-Antares Node. Initial losses cause Thresher to be declared a failure only two days after it started. GTA command estimates 504 pilots dead, fourteen missing (and presumed dead). Vice Admiral Snow is killed after a Vasudan Amun bomber smashes into the bridge of the Cyrene. He is replaced by Admiral Daniel Darvay.

January 15th: The Shivans attack Vasudan and Terran forces near the Antares-Ribos node. The loss of the PVC Taurus and GTSC Plato leads toward a cease-fire proposal on the 18th by the Vasudans.

January 25th: GTA and PVE sign a cease-fire and non-aggression pact in the face of the Shivan threat. The 14-Year War officially comes to an end.


The history of the Cyrene during the Great War and Reconstruction is still being written.


2357

March 10th-August 3rd: The Cyrene undergoes a major refit in Beta Aquilae. Her reactor is replaced in order to support new beam weaponry. Cyrene is only the second Orion, after Repulse, to be equipped with the new beam technology. Cyrene's interior is also refurbished, and the bridge is totally replaced.

2366

January 1st – March 25th: Flagship of Terran 9th Fleet, HQ Sirius. CO Vice Admiral Giovanna Gismondi.

March 17th: Admiral Aken Bosch, CO of the Terran 6th Fleet secedes from the GTVA and forms the Neo-Terran Front in Polaris. Cyrene and the majority of 9th Fleet (minus GTD Jacobus and Battle Force II) ordered to blockade Regulus-Sirius node.

March 20th: 9th Fleet blockade in place. Secret negotiations ongoing between Admiral Bosch and Vice Admiral Gismondi.

March 23rd: The government of Regulus (and most of the Terran 8th Fleet) joins the NTF.

March 25th: A large NTF strike force arrives in Sirius from Regulus. Cyrene and her attendant forces blockading the node do not open fire. After a short meeting between Gismondi and Bosch, the 9th Fleet defects almost entirely to the NTF. Upon hearing this news, the regional government of Sirius swears allegiance to Bosch.

March 26th-April 15th: Officially rechristened NTD Cyrene and flagship of Neo-Terran 3rd Fleet. Blockade of Regulus-Sirius node lifted. Cyrene and 3rd Fleet undertake intensive operations to cleanse the system of GTVA loyalists. Several cruisers, wings of fighters and bombers destroyed. Tabarin Station (Arcadia-class) seized by force. Blockade of Sirius-Deneb jump node established after infiltration of Vasudan raiding parties from Deneb. Admiral Bosch visits inhabited planets.

April 16th: Cyrene and most of NTF 3rd Fleet begin massing at the Sirius-Alpha Centauri node. Supplementary forces from NTF 2nd Fleet in support.

April 17th: Cyrene and NTD Jacobus send specialized Loki recon units through node to Alpha Centauri. Those that return report that GTVA defenses are haphazard and not fully equipped.

April 19th: Cyrene, Jacobus, and much of the 3rd and 2nd Fleets smash through initial GTVA defences in Alpha Centauri.

May-June: The NTF consolidates control over Alpha Centauri. Although the government does not immediately capitulate as in Polaris, Regulus and Sirius, the Terran population is mostly subservient after GTVA forces have been removed from the system. A spaceborne insurgency based around the moons of Alpha Centauri VII, a gas giant, proves extremely difficult to suppress and torments the NTF throughout their stay in the system.

July 4th: Admiral Bosch and the Iceni arrive, along with the NTSC Hinton and multiple assault transports, loaded with NTF Marines. After consultations and planning with Vice-Admiral Gismondi, the 3rd Fleet forms up at the Aldebaran node. Advance teams of Zeus bombers equipped with intersystem subspace drives neutralize Vasudan defences on the other side of the node.

July 10th: The Cyrene and the 3rd Fleet burst through the Alpha Centauri-Aldebaran node. Avoiding the powerful 1st Vasudan Battle Group, the 3rd Fleet leads the enemy on a wild goose chase around the system, occasionally provoking the enemy with an attack on an installation. Meanwhile, the Iceni and her attendant forces plunder Ancients archaeological sites throughout the system.


Some work is still necessary here - a year is missing.


2367

August 21st-26th: Defends Sirius (along with rest of NTF 3rd Fleet) against Vasudan 11th and 13th Battle Groups. Heavy fighting near inhabited planet of Sirius III.

August 28th: Major push by 13th Vasudan Battle Group into Sirius defeated, moderate damage inflicted to and taken from GVD Psamtik.

August 30th – November 1st: Intense fighting against the GTVA in Alpha Centauri and Deneb, with Cyrene taking the offensive in Alpha Centauri, and Jacobus leading in Deneb. Cyrene’s offensive is eventually blunted by strong resistance and she is forced to retreat. Jacobus is destroyed in Deneb while attempting to retreat by the 11th Vasudan BG. Admiral Bosch escapes Deneb and arrives in Sirius in his command frigate, the Iceni.

November 7th: Sirius falls. NTD Cyrene destroyed by GVD Psamtik. Majority of crew makes it to escape pods, and is thence recovered by the 13th Vasudan BG. VA Gismondi escapes, current location unknown, wanted for purported war crimes.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: diceman111 on April 21, 2007, 06:11:09 pm
Nice, is it ok if I use this kind of information in the campaign

Also you could make specific Orion packs where you make each ship into a seperate entry in the Tech room with history instead of a description
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Alikchi on April 21, 2007, 06:13:44 pm
Sure, feel free to use this info. :)

I don't think you can do that in the tech room - I'm not sure - but this stuff would be better suited to the FS Wiki.
If it was important to the campaign, you could put this in the Intelligence section, perhaps.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Vretsu on April 21, 2007, 06:30:26 pm
Oh, wow, that's just awesome.

Great writing.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Sarafan on April 21, 2007, 07:08:46 pm
Really cool, keep up the great work! :yes:
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mad Bomber on April 21, 2007, 09:07:46 pm
Very well done.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mars on April 21, 2007, 09:13:51 pm
I always thought the GTD Eisenhower was a pre-Orion destroyer, as the Orion and Typhon were made to sound quite well matched in their tech entries.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Goober5000 on April 21, 2007, 09:27:24 pm
Oh, wow, that's just awesome.

Great writing.
Seconded. :yes:

Only a few minor quibbles...

1) In Eishtmo's canon, Admiral Halkins is CO of the GTD Reliant, which happens to be docked at Tombaugh Station (and is destroyed) during the Lucifer attack.

2) In Silent Threat: Reborn canon, the GTD Soyakaze is the head of the Intelligence fleet and is not part of the official GTA fleet lineup.

3) In FS canon, it is implied that the 5th fleet is led by the GTD Bastion.

4) If you put this in the FS Wiki, you'd have to put a big fat "NON-CANON" disclaimer at the top.  And it might be cool if you tagged it with an "Alikchi's Extended Universe" category. :)
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Alikchi on April 21, 2007, 09:30:27 pm
I always thought the GTD Eisenhower was a pre-Orion destroyer, as the Orion and Typhon were made to sound quite well matched in their tech entries.

It's not entirely clear, but I think you're right. I'm guessing if we ever see the T-V War campaign, we'll see this engagement (and that destroyer type).
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Alikchi on April 21, 2007, 09:32:04 pm
Oh, wow, that's just awesome.

Great writing.
Seconded. :yes:

Only a few minor quibbles...

1) In Eishtmo's canon, Admiral Halkins is CO of the GTD Reliant, which happens to be docked at Tombaugh Station (and is destroyed) during the Lucifer attack.

2) In Silent Threat: Reborn canon, the GTD Soyakaze is the head of the Intelligence fleet and is not part of the official GTA fleet lineup.

3) In FS canon, it is implied that the 5th fleet is led by the GTD Bastion.

4) If you put this in the FS Wiki, you'd have to put a big fat "NON-CANON" disclaimer at the top.  And it might be cool if you tagged it with an "Alikchi's Extended Universe" category. :)

Good catches sir - and thank you. :) I thought the Krios was the head of the Intelligence fleet? Probably I'm wrong.

Will have to come up with a different name for Halkins.

Good idea for a tag, too. ;)

Another project I'm working on - Fleet Order of Battles for the GTVA.. I'll put something up here for review when I'm close to done.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mad Bomber on April 21, 2007, 10:17:21 pm
Mind if I have some of those Cyrene pods (and its remaining fighters) run away from the Psamtik and join other NTF forces elsewhere in system?
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Alikchi on April 21, 2007, 10:19:12 pm
Mind if I have some of those Cyrene pods (and its remaining fighters) run away from the Psamtik and join other NTF forces elsewhere in system?

That's a good idea, actually. :) I'll add it.

Hopefully when I put this up on the wiki everyone can edit it.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 22, 2007, 06:46:34 am
Nice, is it ok if I use this kind of information in the campaign

Also you could make specific Orion packs where you make each ship into a seperate entry in the Tech room with history instead of a description

Why you don't create new entries of the Species tbl? They just work fine in Steadfast! :)

I always thought the GTD Eisenhower was a pre-Orion destroyer, as the Orion and Typhon were made to sound quite well matched in their tech entries.

It's not entirely clear, but I think you're right. I'm guessing if we ever see the T-V War campaign, we'll see this engagement (and that destroyer type).

Is this destroyer available? If not, I suggest to you the Inferno Zagreus(HTL version!). It really looks like a pre-Orion destroyer.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 22, 2007, 08:07:16 am
TVWP does not use Zags though. Pity.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 22, 2007, 09:23:25 am
But do they have this other pre-Orion destroyer? If not, they should use the Zagreus.

Do they use HTL Angel, Valkyrie, Athena and Apollo models?
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 22, 2007, 09:29:03 am
They have the GTD Reliant.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 22, 2007, 02:58:39 pm
Is it the same destroyer class mentioned in an old FS1 campaign. That's not a real destroyer, since too many warships of this class were mentioned...I think it's a corvette size ship or something similar.

And the name Reliant doesn't come from mythology... :(
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: diceman111 on April 22, 2007, 03:36:41 pm
And the name Reliant doesn't come from mythology... :(

When I hear Reliant I think of Starlancer ...............


/Dice
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 22, 2007, 03:56:25 pm
And the name Reliant doesn't come from mythology... :(

When I hear Reliant I think of Starlancer ...............

I know... name it Czar or Yamato instead :lol:

No, seriously, the Reliant's name isn't that good for a FS ship class.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Goober5000 on April 22, 2007, 10:36:38 pm
Good catches sir - and thank you. :) I thought the Krios was the head of the Intelligence fleet? Probably I'm wrong.
You're welcome. :)

Here's how it works:

GTD Krios -- Special Ops
GTD Soyakaze -- Intelligence
GTD Repulse -- Research and Development

Do you want your FSPort internal access back, by the way?

They have the GTD Reliant.
And incidentally, the GTD Reliant class of destroyer mentioned in TVWP (and Awakenings) is different from the GTD Orion class GTD Reliant mentioned in Eishtmo's canon. :)

No, seriously, the Reliant's name isn't that good for a FS ship class.
We have an explanation for this.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Alikchi on April 23, 2007, 02:41:46 am

You're welcome. :)

Here's how it works:

GTD Krios -- Special Ops
GTD Soyakaze -- Intelligence
GTD Repulse -- Research and Development

Do you want your FSPort internal access back, by the way?

Thanks - I haven't played through Silent Threat in forever. Speaking of.. ;) Access would be excellent.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 23, 2007, 11:02:52 am
They have the GTD Reliant.
And incidentally, the GTD Reliant class of destroyer mentioned in TVWP (and Awakenings) is different from the GTD Orion class GTD Reliant mentioned in Eishtmo's canon. :)

Well it was just mentioned. I assume your version is a true destroyer class, not a corvette sized warship. Ok.

No, seriously, the Reliant's name isn't that good for a FS ship class.
We have an explanation for this.

It remains a name not good for the convention. What kind of explanation you have?
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 23, 2007, 12:26:15 pm
It was not developed by the GTA?
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Goober5000 on April 23, 2007, 04:27:02 pm
Thanks - I haven't played through Silent Threat in forever. Speaking of.. ;) Access would be excellent.
Well, keep in mind that this is the ST:R lineup... the original Silent Threat isn't very clear on the fleet issue (or any other issue, for that matter).  Speaking of... ;) you've been granted access. :)


It remains a name not good for the convention. What kind of explanation you have?
Well, when you make your own TVW campaign, you can change it. :D


It was not developed by the GTA?
Yes, but this isn't the whole story.  I suppose it wouldn't hurt to publish this entry in the TVWP tech database:

Quote
Project Goliath

After the discovery of subspace and development of subspace jump drives in 2291, the political landscape changed dramatically.  Any faction could conceivably attack any other faction with relative ease -- no longer did the vast distances between planets isolate anyone.  Realizing it was unprepared for such an assault, the UNE in a rare moment of agreement voted to begin construction on a weapon so powerful that no faction would dare attempt to attack it.  The weapon was codenamed Project Goliath.

The Goliath was to be a new class of ship capable of both carrier and assault functions.  Never before had this sort of fusion been attempted -- carriers were traditionally designed specifically for fighter transportation and were ill-suited for direct assault, and likewise frigates were not equipped with hangar bays.  With the Goliath, however, the functions of an entire battlegroup would be combined into one massive ship, enabling it to attack targets without need of separate escort or support ships.

The UNE unwisely chose to herald the final stages of the Goliath's construction by proclaiming to the other factions its unrivaled military superiority and daring any other faction to produce such a ship.  The Kuiper Confederacy apparently took that as a challenge, and within a week managed to not only steal the project blueprints but attack the supposedly secret shipyard where the Goliath was being completed, inflicting severe damage on the ship.  (The damage set the construction of the Goliath back several months, so that the Goliath's sister ship, the Reliant, was actually completed first.  Thus these ships are now known as Reliant-class.)

By the end of the year, every other Terran faction had purchased or stolen the plans and begun constructing their own ships.  Their ineptitude having nullified any initial advantage they may have possessed, the UNE quickly scaled back its publicity campaign.  They completed construction of five Reliants, more than any other faction, but cancelled further development of weapons or enhancements.

Currently, each faction owns at least one Reliant.  Due to the enormous costs involved in maintaining these ships, they are not kept in active service.  However, if a full-scale war should break out and a faction's complement of Reliants brought on-line, any conflict could have the potential to turn very ugly very fast.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mustang19 on April 24, 2007, 10:06:31 am
Regardless of whether Reliant is a valid name or not, it's just plain stupid... you're supposed to name your ships after positive adjectives, and Reliant ("relying on someone else") isn't a good thing to be known for in a war.

Love the ship history! Fleshing out Freespace history is always a fun project. :V: gave the game only a bare-bones storyline, as they knew that there were people more creative than them who could come up with a good backstory. Don't believe me? Look what Microsoft did with Starlancer.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: lenard27 on April 24, 2007, 11:37:34 am
Nice job on the history, Alikchi.
I know its been said but I don't think that a destroyer would be reliant-class. It doesn't have mythological meaning.  The Reliant would be a good name for an individual destroyerm though. (I know it was already mentioned but it does make me think of Starlancer.)
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Akalamanaia on April 24, 2007, 02:30:46 pm
Reliant doesn't ring too good in my ears either when referring to a ship class.. it doesn't sound so good to the pilot if you hear "The Reliant Class"..you instantly get the feeling that your useless, as the name implies relying on that class. Something like Excalibur would be more mythological, and worthy of a destroyer.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: diceman111 on April 24, 2007, 02:41:13 pm
I like GTD Battleaxe

Taken from the book Red Storm by Tom Clancy
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 24, 2007, 03:23:21 pm
I think this name should be changed...it has nothing to do with the others...

Nice job on the history, Alikchi.
I know its been said but I don't think that a destroyer would be reliant-class. It doesn't have mythological meaning.  The Reliant would be a good name for an individual destroyerm though. (I know it was already mentioned but it does make me think of Starlancer.)

I agree with you. The name will work fine for a capship.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 24, 2007, 03:50:55 pm
I like GTD Battleaxe

That's actually a working name for one of the ships in MT, but it's been deleted.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Goober5000 on April 24, 2007, 03:56:03 pm
The reason we're using the name Reliant is because Awakenings used it first.  And Awakenings probably took it from the USS Reliant in Star Trek II.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 24, 2007, 03:58:44 pm
Why doesn't TVWP use the Zagreus class from INFA? We've even got a high(er) poly version, which you can check out. :)

Same with the Bastet and/or Het-Ka.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: diceman111 on April 24, 2007, 04:04:27 pm
I like GTD Battleaxe

That's actually a working name for one of the ships in MT, but it's been deleted.

Yeah I am currently lobbying for the name to be used in FOW Ch 2/3, No luck so far though  :D  :D


/Dice
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 24, 2007, 04:05:37 pm
The Battleaxe is actually a non MT-canon ship, Shadow- made it up for continuity sake (the ship that was specified is actually somewhere else at the same time).

Why am I telling you this?
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 24, 2007, 04:10:29 pm
Snail is right, you may use the new HTL Zagreus(now with nameplates!). A "variant" has been planned but it's a bit advanced for a T-V era warship.

I like GTD Battleaxe

That's actually a working name for one of the ships in MT, but it's been deleted.

Battleaxe was used for a cruiser in S:AH too, right? <---I know it has nothing to do with a new ship class...whatever...

Same with the Bastet and/or Het-Ka.

Same with the Bastet and Het-Ka ;) What do you intend for "and/or"?!?
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: diceman111 on April 24, 2007, 04:14:32 pm
The Battleaxe is actually a non MT-canon ship, Shadow- made it up for continuity sake (the ship that was specified is actually somewhere else at the same time).

Why am I telling you this?

I don't know
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Snail on April 24, 2007, 04:17:54 pm
Battleaxe was used for a cruiser in S:AH too, right? <---I know it has nothing to do with a new ship class...whatever...



Same with the Bastet and Het-Ka ;) What do you intend for "and/or"?!?

The RMC Battleaxe, RMC Bloodlust, RMC Battlelust and RMC Frenzy, IIRC...


and/or, means it's either and or... or... So not necessarily and, and not necessarily or... Uhh... :blah:
::
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Admiral Nelson on April 24, 2007, 04:20:50 pm
A less common meaning of reliant is " Having, or characterized by, reliance; confident; trusting," which is what it means in this context.   There have been two Royal Fleet Auxiliaries called Reliant, as well as a training / utility aircraft (Stinson AT-19) and an automobile company.
Title: Re: Ship History: GTD Cyrene
Post by: Mobius on April 24, 2007, 06:05:27 pm
We all know that Reliant is a good name for a ship, but not for a FreeSpace ship class. That's what we were discussing about.