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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Sarafan on May 04, 2007, 09:44:35 am
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Has anyone ever thought about how the Terran and Vasudan armies are like or if they even have them? FS does mention a few times ground forces but only marines as far as I know and IMO the 14 year war and NTF rebellion cant have been fought just on space.
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There's a multi mission in which some planet in Sirius or Polaris (one of those) is fought over with ground troops.
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There's a multi mission in which some planet in Sirius or Polaris (one of those) is fought over with ground troops.
How exactly is fought over with them? :confused:
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Dunno.
The players (4 of them) are in space and single-handedly destroy marine transports, loads of cruisers and corvettes and two destroyers. Hardly believable if you ask me, but hey. That's balance for you.
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On a somewhat related thing, I remember that a looong time ago someone made a map for UT that was based on the Orion, does anyone remember it too?
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How exactly is fought over with them?
You don't actually see the battle. It's just part of the backstory. You are supposed to prevent additional forces from reaching the planet (i.e. jumping out in its general direction).
The players (4 of them) are in space and single-handedly destroy marine transports, loads of cruisers and corvettes and two destroyers. Hardly believable if you ask me, but hey. That's balance for you.
It's actually even worse, as it is typically one player that does all the damage to the incoming ships. Although I think the idea with the respawns is that they are supposed to be multiple waves of a wing.
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But 40 fighters shouldn't be able to destroy two destroyers WITH THEIR FIGHTER ESCORT!!
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But 40 fighters shouldn't be able to destroy two destroyers WITH THEIR FIGHTER ESCORT!!
You're sure? As long as they have A1 its just fine. :D Anyway, I think that if the space battles of the 14 year war were already quite destructive, the ground battles must've been an onslaught.
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It's multiplayer, so there are four Alpha 1s (times nine or so for the respawns, so 36 Alpha 1s :eek:)
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It's multiplayer, so there are four Alpha 1s (times nine or so for the respawns, so 36 Alpha 1s :eek:)
And you said it wasnt possible. :rolleyes: :lol:
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I'm saying in-universe. Those 4 fighters are just normal pilots, not Alpha 1s.
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And don't forget , ground battles are only fought if the space battles allow for the troops to get there in the first place :)
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Well anyway....I don't ever think that the Shivans were interested in planetary control, but there were probably lots of ground battles during the TVW. I seem to remember something about 600,000 ground troops from the 1st mission in fs2.
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The Shivans have allegedly never landed on a planet. However, just because they haven't doesn't mean they will.MT
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Considering that, at least according to the Tech Room data, the Shivans appear to have evolved/been designed in a zero-gravity environment, they might not do so well on a planetary surface. :p
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Well Shivans are quite diverse as a species so they may have some 'branch' type or some technology that is able of planetary combat on ground. But if I were the Shivans I'd just nuke the poor planet. :P
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I opened a similar thread almost a year ago: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,42478.0.html
I'll briefly explain what came out in my thread: apart from 2 posts actually talking how FS ground combat might have been, most of the thread is based on the "Could Shivans land on planets?" and " :wtf: is the Hades doing on Deneb in the FS2 opening cutscene?" questions.
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I opened a similar thread almost a year ago: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,42478.0.html
I'll briefly explain what came out in my thread: apart from 2 posts actually talking how FS ground combat might have been, most of the thread is based on the "Could Shivans land on planets?" and " :wtf: is the Hades doing on Deneb in the FS2 opening cutscene?" questions.
Aaahhhhhh.... HLP. :p
Okay, so let's all leave the "Could Shivans land on planets?" and " :wtf: is the Hades doing on Deneb in the FS2 opening cutscene?" questions out of this thread, please.
This may sound crazy but after the 1st Great War, maybe the GTVA could've come up with shields for their armored forces much in the same way of the fighters shields, it would be rather easy IMO, just make an adpation for the technology to work in the planet but in this case the gravity could be a problem.
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But we don't know how the shields react to something constantly interfering them. For all we know FS shields might not function at all when ground breaks the shield (bubble).
I'll give a cookie to the one who comes up with canon evidence to counter the above statement. ;)
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But we don't know how the shields react to something constantly interfering them. For all we know FS shields might not function at all when ground breaks the shield (bubble).
I'll give a cookie to the one who comes up with canon evidence to counter the above statement. ;)
IIRC, collisions simply go through the shield, without depleting it.
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Don't beams go through shields also?
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Yes, they do.
I'd imagine that the ground forces would still use kinetic projectile weapons. In the Fs1 Transport-boarding cutscene we see soldiers with heavy-caliber projectile weapons...in the Fs2 mainhall, we see guards with the exact same weaponry.
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I think that infantry would still use kinetic projectile weapons as Vretsu said but armored forces would use energy weapons since they could carry something more damaging (ex:a big laser cannon).
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Maybe an extremely weak Subach or ML-16?
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Maybe an extremely weak Subach or ML-16?
Probably, they wouldnt be able to carry much but something like they could use. Now vehicles could probably carry a standard version of a Subach, maybe it would be an anti-infantry gun due to its high rate of fire.
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tanks fire something like blobs or HE rounds?
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In the cutscene in Freespace 1 it almost appeared that they had full sized ML-16s attached to their exoskeletons.
Of course it would be impossible to get a sense of scale, and the lack of gravity would help.
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In the cutscene in Freespace 1 it almost appeared that they had full sized ML-16s attached to their exoskeletons.
Of course it would be impossible to get a sense of scale, and the lack of gravity would help.
How do you know if they were ML-16s?
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In the cutscene in Freespace 1 it almost appeared that they had full sized ML-16s attached to their exoskeletons.
Of course it would be impossible to get a sense of scale, and the lack of gravity would help.
How do you know if they were ML-16s?
If you compare the rendering animation of the ML-16 in the tech room with what the guys were hauling around....same CGI model.
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But whatever it fired didn't look much like ML-16 bolts.
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But whatever it fired didn't look much like ML-16 bolts.
No not really...my guess is that they had the 3d model lying around...and sized it appropriately for the marines. Its probably a mini-gun :)
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Interestingly enough, the FS1 Flail is named the "Flail Rifle" in tables... now that'd be an excellent ground-warfare weapon, knocking Shivans 10 feet in the air.
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Interestingly enough, the FS1 Flail is named the "Flail Rifle" in tables... now that'd be an excellent ground-warfare weapon, knocking Shivans 10 feet in the air.
At least now it would have a use. :P Vasudan infantry would probably be something heavier due to their size (like it says in their description) with better armor and weapons, terran infantry would have a hard time against them.
Also, due to the language barrier, intelligence gathering would be extremely hard.
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Interestingly enough, the FS1 Flail is named the "Flail Rifle" in tables... now that'd be an excellent ground-warfare weapon, knocking Shivans 10 feet in the air.
At least now it would have a use. :P Vasudan infantry would probably be something heavier due to their size (like it says in their description) with better armor and weapons, terran infantry would have a hard time against them.
Also, due to the language barrier, intelligence gathering would be extremely hard.
Why would the Vasudans have better armor and weapons?
Regarding language, they have automatic translator systems as seen during the campaign each and every time a vasudan speaks.
From the Reference Bible
Terran-Vasudan communication was relatively easy to establish, despite the fact that Vasudan vocal cords are unable to make the sounds needed to produce the English language (now refered to as “Terran Standard” by spacers). This requires the use of small translational devices during any T-V exchange. The speaker talks in a low tone near the “squawker” and it translates and speaks for the user in the desired language. Small earpieces allow the devices to relay the opposite translations to the user. While the squawkers work on both species, the Vasudans are typically the ones to wear the devices.
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With exoskeletons I imagine the strength difference between Terrans and Vasudans to be diminished somewhat.
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Why would the Vasudans have better armor and weapons?
Regarding language, they have automatic translator systems as seen during the campaign each and every time a vasudan speaks.
From the Reference Bible
Terran-Vasudan communication was relatively easy to establish, despite the fact that Vasudan vocal cords are unable to make the sounds needed to produce the English language (now refered to as “Terran Standard” by spacers). This requires the use of small translational devices during any T-V exchange. The speaker talks in a low tone near the “squawker” and it translates and speaks for the user in the desired language. Small earpieces allow the devices to relay the opposite translations to the user. While the squawkers work on both species, the Vasudans are typically the ones to wear the devices.
I didnt knew that (concerning the language), guess I was wrong. About the armor and weapons, it like the wiki says about them: "Usually standing at least several feet taller than terrans, the skeletal looking vasudan frame conceals a powerful musculature", they're seem to be much stronger than humans wich could mean they would be able to carry heavier equipment (armor and weapons).
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With exoskeletons I imagine the strength difference between Terrans and Vasudans to be diminished somewhat.
TV-Fite5.avi.
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That guy was in a flight suit, not a marine exoskeleton. And one of the marines was carrying an ML-16.... Almost as big as Sandwich.