Post by: Warlock on January 30, 2002, 06:47:00 pm
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Post by: Nico on January 30, 2002, 06:50:00 pm
Anyway, it looks good so no pb (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Post by: DragonClaw on January 30, 2002, 07:23:00 pm
That would be inaccurate =) the explosion would get to you before the light would, decimated you before you even knew what happend =)
But actually that is awesome =) Great Job
Post by: KillMeNow on January 30, 2002, 08:01:00 pm
Post by: DragonClaw on January 30, 2002, 08:28:00 pm
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Originally posted by KillMeNow:
hmmmmmmmmm the explosion would get you before the light did? are you crazy man? nothign travels faster than light and that includes shockwaves from stars blowing up =) deary men - some people need more phsyics lessons =) hehehe
Hey in the blasted movie the explosion went through planets in about 1/4 of a second... light takes a lot longer to traverse a planet =)
So maybe the movie is wrong, but thats what I'm basing my hypothesis on =)
Post by: mikhael on January 30, 2002, 08:32:00 pm
Of course you'd be dead before you could registerd the visible light. When that light hit you, you'd also be hit with all sorts of nasty stuff from the upper end of the EM spectrum.
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Post by: Galemp on January 30, 2002, 09:35:00 pm
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Post by: Xelion on January 30, 2002, 10:27:00 pm
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RKIF-DragonClaw
That would be inaccurate =) the explosion would get to you before the light would, decimated you before you even knew what happened =)
I have to agree with KillMeNow on some aspect, that light travels faster than the explosion; but the best comparison I would say is Earth to the Sun; takes light 8 minutes to reach us; so when a supernova occurs it takes many, many minutes to scour the system. and the only reason the V dudes made it this way is so your not watching 10 minutes for a supernova to occur.
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KillMeNow
nothing travels faster than light
Heres a quote from a book called Voyage Through the Universe
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Quantum theory, which describes the behaviour of matter on the subatomic level, predicts that pairs of elementary particles, matter and antimatter, can appear in unpredictable places and then annihilate each other. According to Hawking's calculation, the extreme gravitational force of a black hole could produce such pairs just outside its event horizon. If so, one particle might be dragged in and the other escape.
Technically speaking your right in some context but in another context your not… (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Post by: mikhael on January 30, 2002, 11:32:00 pm
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Heres a quote from a book called Voyage Through the Universe
Quantum theory, which describes the behaviour of matter on the subatomic level, predicts that pairs of elementary particles, matter and antimatter, can appear in unpredictable places and then annihilate each other. According to Hawking's calculation, the extreme gravitational force of a black hole could produce such pairs just outside its event horizon. If so, one particle might be dragged in and the other escape.
Technically speaking your right in some context but in another context your not… (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Not to nitpick, but that is incorrect. Whilst pairs of virtual particles can form on the edge of a black hole, it is only when one half the pair appears within the event horizon and the other doesn't, that one gets sucked in. The one that survived didn't do so because it moved faster than light, it was just a touch outside the danger zone. Of course such a particle immediatley becomes real and the black hole loses mass equal to that of the remaining particle.
Now, if you want to find something that moves (apparently) faster than light, look at gravity. Increase the mass of an object, and its gravitational pull on objects all over the universe increases, instantly. Likewise, the effect is instant. If gravity is transfered by a particle or wave--like the strong, weak and magnetic forces are--then that particle/wave must move faster than light. This is one of the most difficult and troubling things about resolving quantum theory and relativity theory.
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Post by: Warlock on January 31, 2002, 12:19:00 am
So....screw realism...IT"S A GAME (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Post by: Nico on January 31, 2002, 01:14:00 am
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Simply put....the entire concept's bases off watching the nova Ceni scene. Hence the Screenie background.
So....screw realism...IT"S A GAME (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
yuhp, but I want to add: there's something that goes faster than light, it's... light (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) Italian scientists have made a photon (I think it's the right particle?) go faster than light. I think there was like a gap in time between when it was supposed to appear and when it did appear.
And, I'm happy V didn't make the nova in real time, coz it wouldn't have taken hours, it would have take days (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Post by: CP5670 on January 31, 2002, 01:28:00 am
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Post by: Nico on January 31, 2002, 01:34:00 am
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eh...isn't the photon the same thing as light? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) I'm confused now... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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yes, it is (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
that's what I said (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Post by: Su-tehp on January 31, 2002, 01:35:00 am
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Post by: Carl on January 31, 2002, 01:58:00 am
Post by: Xelion on January 31, 2002, 02:10:00 am
mikhael I would say that these elementary particles are faster than light, because photons only escape the inner and outer photonsphere (which usually pull them in if they strike at certain angles and thus place them into orbit) and theory dictates the possibility of escaping the egrosphere; but that is only theory.
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Post by: Carl on January 31, 2002, 02:13:00 am
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Yes venom2506 is right...photon particles make up light...
wow, you figure that out yourself? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
Post by: an0n on January 31, 2002, 04:13:00 am
Tada. One argument ended, another six started.
Post by: Dark_4ce on January 31, 2002, 04:14:00 am
Post by: Blue Lion on January 31, 2002, 04:23:00 am
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Post by: Dark_4ce on January 31, 2002, 05:59:00 am
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Originally posted by Blue Lion:
One of those "You had to be there" things?
Yeah kinda. The quote is out of context I guess. Much like asking some one to laugh at a punch line without telling the joke... hmpf....
I'm pritty sure it's in "The Science of Discworld"
Post by: an0n on January 31, 2002, 08:26:00 am
*silence envelops the thread*
hey, Dark_4ce, your right.
And why are you even bothering arguing the light thing? No-one knows every last intricacy of quantum physics. It might be that the sudden shift in the gravitational fields of the Capella star caused a tiny fracture in space to form allowing the light to jump several million kilometers ahead of the shockwave thus allowing the flash to be seen. And lets not forget that the immense gravity of the stellar debris could have slowed the blast-wave somewhat while the light was unaffected thus allowing thr flash to be seen before everyone in system got a manditory cremation.
Post by: mikhael on January 31, 2002, 11:25:00 am
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....to get to the other side.
...It might be that the sudden shift in the gravitational fields of the Capella star caused a tiny fracture in space to form allowing the light to jump several million kilometers ahead of the shockwave thus allowing the flash to be seen. And lets not forget that the immense gravity of the stellar debris could have slowed the blast-wave somewhat while the light was unaffected thus allowing thr flash to be seen before everyone in system got a manditory cremation.
Except for the fact that hard radiation moves at the speed of light, the heat flash moves at the speed of light, etc. Incineration and visual flash all come at the same instant, long before those slow, massy particles of the shockwave reach the observer.
Oh, and Carl, doesn't subspace allow 'faster than light' movement by moving things into subspace at one end and back into realspace at the other? That doesn't help anything move faster than light within realspace.
Lights the limit for top speed. Simple E=MCC, you see. Accelleration energy approaches infinity as you move toward C. To actually reach C, you must have infinite energy. The math is inviolate.
On the other hand, you can get around this not by exceeding the speed of light, but by changing the fabric of spacetime around you. checkout Miguel Alcubierre's rather spectacular work on circumventing relativistic limits without violating relativity. You just need exotic matter. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Post by: an0n on January 31, 2002, 11:31:00 am
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Simple E=MCC, you see
Nice way to get around not having a ..... DAMMIT!...... squared button/key.
And I'd like to point out that seen as how all our instrumentation is based around things that happen/interact/whatever at the speed of light, it is obvious that all results from such instrumentation would show light as being the fastest possible thing. Anyway, even if you take Einsteins theory off the two observers measuring light at 300,000km/s because of instrumentation compression, you then have the problem that all reasearch and theorising into relativity was done on a big rock that's moving and compressing instrumentation.
I still prefer to believe that the universe is without limitations.
Oh and I've re-assessed the anthropic theory thingy and taken chaos theory into account. The result is still the same.
Post by: mikhael on January 31, 2002, 12:02:00 pm
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Nice way to get around not having a ..... DAMMIT!...... squared button/key.
And I'd like to point out that seen as how all our instrumentation is based around things that happen/interact/whatever at the speed of light, it is obvious that all results from such instrumentation would show light as being the fastest possible thing. Anyway, even if you take Einsteins theory off the two observers measuring light at 300,000km/s because of instrumentation compression, you then have the problem that all reasearch and theorising into relativity was done on a big rock that's moving and compressing instrumentation.
I still prefer to believe that the universe is without limitations.
Oh and I've re-assessed the anthropic theory thingy and taken chaos theory into account. The result is still the same.
The universe has limits, otherwise, literally anything is possible predictability breaks down. Where are my time travellers from the future wandering about? Where are the spontaneously generating blackholes killing people? Why doesn't gravity sometimes 'glitch' and I wake up one night on the ceiling (well actually, that did happen, but I was under the influence of some rather narfy french wine)? The universe has some basic limits that are both verifiable and time tested. Gravity always pulls toward the center of mass. The ratio of a circle's radius to its circumference is always pi, no matter how big the circle is. Entropy always increases. 2+2=4. 2 is the only possible value for x in a^x+b^x=c^x. Do what you want, try however you might, these things do not and cannot be changed. They are immutable facts of the universe.
Also, as a minor correction, our instruments aren't designed to measure the speed of light as an upper limit. Relativity predicts this limit mathematically. The instruments came later and verified the mathematical prediction.
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Post by: an0n on January 31, 2002, 01:13:00 pm
I still prefer to beleive that the universe has only a few basic limitations and that given sufficent understanding of the limitations anything is possible.
Scary thought:
There's a dimension somewhere, where the only difference to this one is that the circumference of a circle is 1.1D x Pi.
Pointless but somewhat amusing.
Scary thought 2:
This universe may be the only thing. There may be no other dimensions, no time travelling antics, no end, no beggining. It may simply keep rolling on for all eternity and nowhere in all existence (or non-existence) is there another universe.
Scary thought 3:
No matter how advanced the human race gets, eventually every last human will be wiped out by something and all our thousands (possibly millions) of years of culture, art, literature, history and discovery will be lost forever and no-one will even know of our accomplishments.
I think thats enough mind-screwing for now.
Post by: mikhael on January 31, 2002, 02:22:00 pm
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Originally posted by an0n:Absolutely, So long as you understand the limits.
I'll rephrase:
I still prefer to beleive that the universe has only a few basic limitations and that given sufficent understanding of the limitations anything is possible.
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Scary thought:Dimension? No. Another universe? Perhaps, but it doesn't matter. If its another universe, it doesn't have any effect on ours. Our rules are ours, theirs are theirs, and never the twain shall meet.
There's a dimension somewhere, where the only difference to this one is that the circumference of a circle is 1.1D x Pi.
Pointless but somewhat amusing.
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Scary thought 2:Dimensions (in the strictly scientfic sense) are a basic part of the universe. We percieve the universe as 3+1 dimensins (XYZ & time), but symmetry and string theory predict 10 or 24 with the extras 'rolled up'. The idea of the totality of the universe being eternal and without beginning or end is interesting, not scary, and certainly not true. The increase of entropy logically forces a 'beginning', if not necessarily an ending.
This universe may be the only thing. There may be no other dimensions, no time travelling antics, no end, no beggining. It may simply keep rolling on for all eternity and nowhere in all existence (or non-existence) is there another universe.
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Scary thought 3:Absolutley. Everything ends, dies, and is no more. The inevitible march of thermodynamics always applies. You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't quit the game. So, all is doomed. That doesn't screw with the mind though. That's just cosmic law.
No matter how advanced the human race gets, eventually every last human will be wiped out by something and all our thousands (possibly millions) of years of culture, art, literature, history and discovery will be lost forever and no-one will even know of our accomplishments.
I think thats enough mind-screwing for now.[/B]
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Post by: KillMeNow on January 31, 2002, 03:07:00 pm
that said it would appear obvious that when there is no energy being produced by stars etc that life is going to die
however there is hope - should we still be around by then and not blown our planet away in a show off attemp to build a bigger bomb then there is still nuclear fission to provide energy for a while and gravity can be used too and tidal forces (kinda gravity to when you think about it ) and then there is antimatter someday we might find it is easy to produce then that could prvide all the enrgy we would ever need however life might be abit dull now i heard some wild theory that uses the same process that creates those virtual particles that fly inot black holes - imagine if you will that you could recreate this when the quatum bubble bursts and particles spew forth imagine ramminga wedge in to stop the bubble closing somehow
you guessed it it you just created the next big bang - they question is now you jsut created the biggest explosioin in the history of bombs and first equal biggest explosion in the history of the universe is what to do if you were very very careful hopefully the big bang you created would be an exact match to that of the universe you were in and it would send forth lots of matter hydrogen etc into the universe but in doing so its probally destroyed the rest fo the universe - what you need to do its depedning exact on whats happen if the new universe has just thrown matter into ours or if its an eniterely seperate thing if its entirely seperate perhaps viewing it from the outsdide you might be able to find away in and the time of your choose as being outside the universe should give you the ability to arive at any point in its timeline if however its spewing matter into this universe then you need to find the nearest neutron star (should be lot of them by the time the unvierse has gone dark) that has the correct spin then hope (its was either stephen hawking or eistin was right and travel a long long long way into the future to when there are stars and planets again
on a note jus tot earlier things said after my weird theory session(mad scientist in the making) i believe the estimated number of dimisions on the superstring scale is about 47 of 51 or something there are supposedly quite a number of them i read a bok about it once
and there are weirder things that afew equations that can be different - image for example light some universe light might be slower than sound and you can run someplace and watch yourself start running - there might be places where gravity is different - i think our gravity in this universe gets weaker on the inverse square rule and if it have been cube or sanything else planets would spiral inot stars instead of orbiting them - or drift off into space - very weird stuff is possible perahsp this is the only universe configuration suitable to life perhaps its but one of thousands of different suitable to life but perhaps not life like ourself
everyone always brings up things like silicon based lifeforms - thats nota huge differnce from carbon based - silicon based lifeforms might be possible in this universe (and i'm not talking computers) but lets try plutonium based lifeforms - hell there almost certainly different elements -
anyway enough ranting heheh i just love to go on about wild ideas - but back to the render the light woudl indeed get there before the shockwave - although it woudl almost certainly kill you itself - this if you star at a nuke going off it will blind you and give you sunburn imagine a star cooking off (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
as for the render i like it the explosions is cool but that fighter and those ships i think would open a jump point rather than continue fighting =)
aand i will apoligise no for the head aches i will ahve given people when they tryan and read what i have written i did try to break it up abit but my spelling and grammar are as bad as always
Post by: mikhael on January 31, 2002, 03:52:00 pm
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Post by: Warlock on January 31, 2002, 04:16:00 pm
SHEEEEEEZ
And ppl think I've got too much time on my hands (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Post by: Carl on January 31, 2002, 04:16:00 pm
Post by: Nico on January 31, 2002, 04:51:00 pm
Post by: Dark_4ce on January 31, 2002, 05:07:00 pm
Post by: Xelion on January 31, 2002, 07:27:00 pm
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Dark_4ce
Eheheh... You guys just gave me a good idea for another comic strip!
This is exactly what I was waiting to here; can't wait to see it Dark_4ce. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Post by: Setekh on January 31, 2002, 09:00:00 pm
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You know you guys sure know how to take art and just run to some other planet with it and all.
SHEEEEEEZ
Sorry, but that's exactly what Hard Lighters are good at. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Post by: DragonClaw on January 31, 2002, 09:19:00 pm
Post by: Wildfire on February 01, 2002, 05:29:00 am
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Post by: an0n on February 01, 2002, 07:34:00 am
I have a theory:
A vacuum is nothing. It is not a tangible substance which can be bent and shaped, it simply is nothing. This nothingness fills infinity and 'space' as we know it is simply the limits of where matter has encroached onto this vast emptiness. Therefore the universe could be infinite in size as nothing there would require no energy or matter to create or sustain, the edge of the universe would simply be matter wooshing off into the blackness, and beyond that would simply be more empty space. People claw to the ideas that are derived from Einsteins and Hawkins theories no matter how many dead ends they encounter. It may be that Hawkins cannot form a unified field theory simply becaue the respective fields are in some way wrong in their perceptions of time and space.....Then again I could just be talking crap. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Post by: KillMeNow on February 01, 2002, 11:26:00 am
Post by: mikhael on February 01, 2002, 01:49:00 pm
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Originally posted by an0n:To your first point, Hawking suggests that the universe, when seen from something within it appears to have a beginning and an end, simply because of the the way we percieve time. He has shown, however, that by using a different concept of time (which is not inconsistant with our current conception of time), it is possible for the universe to be of finite duration, but not have any edge state (a beginning or end).
The universe does not need a beggining, nor an end. The universe dictates all laws of energy, matter and time. If it wants it to look as if there was a big explosion then it will friggin look like there was a big explosion. The 'Big Bang' might simply have been a tiny pop compared to the all encompassing vastness of space. Mikhael, I take it you know about the multiple horizon/bubble thingy? This would explain why the universe is expanding quicker, because of the gravity from the matter in the other explosions.
By 'multiple horizon', I think you are referring to the possibility of a cluster of smaller Bangs exploding close together but serperately, or perhaps one triggering the rest. Whereas this is a distinct possiblity, it still suggests (by standard conception) an edge state.
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Vacuum is not nothing. It is the absence of something. This is an important semantic difference, especially in the case of virtual particles, and thus, the Casimir Effect (the generation of energy by the spontaneous creation and destruction of nonexistent particles in an empty space).
I have a theory:
A vacuum is nothing. It is not a tangible substance which can be bent and shaped, it simply is nothing. This nothingness fills infinity and 'space' as we know it is simply the limits of where matter has encroached onto this vast emptiness. Therefore the universe could be infinite in size as nothing there would require no energy or matter to create or sustain, the edge of the universe would simply be matter wooshing off into the blackness, and beyond that would simply be more empty space. People claw to the ideas that are derived from Einsteins and Hawkins theories no matter how many dead ends they encounter. It may be that Hawkins cannot form a unified field theory simply becaue the respective fields are in some way wrong in their perceptions of time and space.....Then again I could just be talking crap. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
An interesting thing comes up when you adjust the normal conception of time, you end up, as mentioned above a 'no edge' condition. In theory, if you were to travel far enough in one direction, you would walk around the universe back to where you started. The problem is that you would have to travel much faster than the speed of light to do this (incurring all the usual problems). The beautiful part of this is that it is wholly consistent with the physics of the universe as we observe it to be.
You suggest that the phycists of various species may be wrong in their perceptions of time and space. Whilst this is indeed possible, I would cite for you a far more likely explanation (as their theories seem to be correct more often than not, and the evidence backs them up). Consider, by way of example, a simple mathematical issue: Fermat's Last Theorum. Baffled mathemeticians for centuries until someone pointed out that the theorum could be written in a certain way (called a parametric equation). Then one day, along came a pair of Japanese mathemeticians, Taniyama and Shimura and they suggested that all parametric equations had a modular equation equivalent. Between these two simple facts, a British mathemetician changed his basic conception of the problem and proved Fermat correct (though likely not in the manner in which Fermat had discovered).
Whilst we may not concieve space and time in the 'proper' way to formulate a Grand Unified Theory, that does not make these people wrong.
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Post by: Dark_4ce on February 01, 2002, 02:07:00 pm
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum13/HTML/001884-2.html#43 ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum13/HTML/001884-2.html#43")
Post by: mikhael on February 01, 2002, 02:43:00 pm
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I posted up the comic strip inspired by this thread. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum13/HTML/001884-2.html#43 ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum13/HTML/001884-2.html#43")
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
Post by: Warlock on February 01, 2002, 02:43:00 pm
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Originally posted by Wildfire:http://www.gotp.f2s.com ("http://www.gotp.f2s.com")
Hey War, what's the address for the GOTP site? I lost the one I had and I can't find any links anymore.
I've got the main intro offline currently until I rework some things.
http://.www.gotp.f2s.com/main.shtml ("http://.www.gotp.f2s.com/main.shtml") will take you to the old site still.
Post by: Wildfire on February 05, 2002, 07:14:00 am
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