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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: KappaWing on May 15, 2007, 02:37:12 pm
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HES DEAD!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?ex=1336881600&en=475295bc07f015f1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?ex=1336881600&en=475295bc07f015f1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
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Only time will tell if this is a good thing or bad thing.
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Just when I thought HLP would stay off "this guy is dead, lets celebrate" syndrome, I am once again feeling slightly disappointed.
Now I kick myself for feeling disappointed. in the first place. :doubt:
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I myself consider the guy to be a whackjob.
Still, I don't celebrate the death of anyone, no matter what opinion I have of their lives.
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he praised the lord for the death of many a heathen. so you see it's more being ironic then genuinely reveling.
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he praised the lord for the death of many a heathen. so you see it's more being ironic then genuinely reveling.
Proof, if you would be so kind.
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one step closer to pagan emperium!
muhahahahaha!
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Well, maybe if you had more kids.. :lol:
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Parading over somebodies death.....really...
Acting as if he burst into your hause and raped and pilalged...
I'm slowly starting to wonder who's the whackjob
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His death is a big plus for the world. Go death!
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some people just deserve to die, he was one of them.
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I myself consider the guy to be a whackjob.
Still, I don't celebrate the death of anyone, no matter what opinion I have of their lives.
What about Hitler?
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Meh, matters little to me this guy... Everyone knew teletubbies were gay. He just revealed to the world that one of them is actually, a gay. That's all I know about this guy. And that now he's dead of course.
Some people hated him. Now they don't have to do that anymore. I think it's okay to feel relief about that. Me, I couldn't care less.
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Me, I couldn't care less.
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What about Hitler?
No....
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What about Hitler?
No person is beyond the worthiness of compassion. I was eventually born because a Polish soldier fell in love with a Dutch girl whose town he helped liberate during WWII. Therefore, I have Hitler's ****-starting to thank for my existence, and thus I have to respect his life - regardless of how disgusting parts of it might have been.
So it always goes with history and people - evil is never without good, and you never know just how your life may have been positively affected by something you'd find repulsive and wrong. Everyone's life, and death, deserves respect, because they undoubtedly caused good to happen in some way.
Personally, I hated Falwell's views and pretty much everything he did on the public stage. But his anger was driven by a belief in the evil of the world, and people who take joy in another's death do nothing but prove him just a little right and encourage more to be like him. Not to mention, schadenfreude is just ugly.
This message brought to you by Maniax being a little too stoned for his own good.
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I myself consider the guy to be a whackjob.
Still, I don't celebrate the death of anyone, no matter what opinion I have of their lives.
What about Hitler?
Nope, don't celebrate it.
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Some people deserve or need to die or be killed, but that's not a cause for celebration. That's just the job getting done correctly. Perhaps a measure of satisifaction is in order.
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However Hitler is stopped is what should be celebrated. His defeat should be celebrated, weather it be he ends up in jail or dead.
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Parading over somebodies death.....really...
Acting as if he burst into your hause and raped and pilalged...
I'm slowly starting to wonder who's the whackjob
He may as well have! Everyone knows he would have liked to, and he would have had his zombie army do so assuming he had infinite leverage.
However Hitler is stopped is what should be celebrated. His defeat should be celebrated, weather it be he ends up in jail or dead.
Exactly. This isnt some morbid death celebration, (although Nuke would like it to be...? ;)) This is the celebration of the fall of a hateful, opressive power created to spread bigotry and propaganda through a network of unquestioning herd-followers.
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The real question is who will rise to take his place. Everyone with half a brain was able to see what a complete whack job he was but his successor may not be so obvious.
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Parading over somebodies death.....really...
Acting as if he burst into your hause and raped and pilalged...
I'm slowly starting to wonder who's the whackjob
He may as well have! Everyone knows he would have liked to, and he would have had his zombie army do so assuming he had infinite leverage.
However Hitler is stopped is what should be celebrated. His defeat should be celebrated, weather it be he ends up in jail or dead.
Exactly. This isnt some morbid death celebration, (although Nuke would like it to be...? ;)) This is the celebration of the fall of a hateful, opressive power created to spread bigotry and propaganda through a network of unquestioning herd-followers.
I do not even know who that guy is, but AFAIK, I?m slowly starting to like him...especially when I see people put out so much hate for what?...words?
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:wtf: Right. Because the dissemination of yet more uninformed opinions is exactly what we need. Even better that the uninformed bit is admitted openly as if it is some kind of virtue. If you can't be assed to educate yourself about the topic/person in question, why exactly should the rest of us be assed to listen to your opinion on same?
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HES DEAD!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?ex=1336881600&en=475295bc07f015f1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?ex=1336881600&en=475295bc07f015f1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
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no matter how much you liked or disliked the guy, this is in bad taste. :doubt:
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Not that I don't agree with you Stealth, you aren't exactly the best person to say that (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,27801.msg561728.html#msg561728). :nervous:
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HES DEAD!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?ex=1336881600&en=475295bc07f015f1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd-falwell.html?ex=1336881600&en=475295bc07f015f1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
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:) :) :) :) :)
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:) :) :) :) :)
no matter how much you liked or disliked the guy, this is in bad taste. :doubt:
No it isn't. Taste is relative (and largely irrelevant). Good riddance to bad rubbish, and if it pisses you off that other peoiple are happy to see the man dead, well, just live with it. Whingeing is for whingers!
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it does suck that he died of a heart attack, rather than being doused with napalm and set ablaze by some kvlt black metal band, which would have been far more intresting.
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I do not even know who that guy is, but AFAIK, I?m slowly starting to like him...especially when I see people put out so much hate for what?...words?
His words are the most dangerous.
They pollute, they brainwash, they spread lies and misinformation.
I cant even begin to give examples of all the legislation passed that got through because of his twisting of religious text to promote his own hateful agenda. He was filled with hate. Now he is dead and the source of hate is defeated.
it does suck that he died of a heart attack, rather than being doused with napalm and set ablaze by some kvlt black metal band, which would have been far more intresting.
I would have brought the marshmellows. :)
They should let Varg out and maybe he'll take out Pat Robertson.
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I do not even know who that guy is, but AFAIK, I?m slowly starting to like him...especially when I see people put out so much hate for what?...words?
His words are the most dangerous.
They pollute, they brainwash, they spread lies and misinformation.
I cant even begin to give examples of all the legislation passed that got through because of his twisting of religious text to promote his own hateful agenda. He was filled with hate. Now he is dead and the source of hate is defeated.
it does suck that he died of a heart attack, rather than being doused with napalm and set ablaze by some kvlt black metal band, which would have been far more intresting.
I would have brought the marshmellows. :)
They should let Varg out and maybe he'll take out Pat Robertson.
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This scares me... The wording... hell, like you're a member from a dark sect..
So the guy said things you didn't like...so he help passed laws that you don't like...big deal.. I got pl like that in my coutry by the dozens.. I don't like htem either, but I sure as hell won't parade when they die.
Strange how in time of democracy, peace and frredom of speech, so much hate can be generated towards another person for saying things you don't like or having different ideals.
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Now he is dead and the source of hate is defeated.
His followers live on.
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for now :mad2:
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Nope, don't celebrate it.
Ah, so you're a Nazi sympathizer....
/me notes that down
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Nope, don't celebrate it.
Ah, so you're a Nazi sympathizer....
You cant be serious saying that. :wtf:
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This scares me... The wording... hell, like you're a member from a dark sect..
So the guy said things you didn't like...so he help passed laws that you don't like...big deal.. I got pl like that in my coutry by the dozens.. I don't like htem either, but I sure as hell won't parade when they die.
Strange how in time of democracy, peace and frredom of speech, so much hate can be generated towards another person for saying things you don't like or having different ideals/
I half jokingly belong to the dark sect of black metal fanatics that Nuke seems to be fully absorbed in, but thats besides the point.
The guy didnt "say things i dont like", he propogated hatred to several minorities i belong to. I am simply reflecting a fraction of the hatred back at him, and postmortem at that. Imagine youre black, in the American south, in the 1920s. Now imagine the local KKK leader suffering a fatal heart attack. You wouldent celebrate?
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You cant be serious saying that. :wtf:
:snipe:
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You cant be serious saying that. :wtf:
Evidently, you're a Nazi sympathizer as well.
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it does suck that he died of a heart attack, rather than being doused with napalm and set ablaze by some kvlt black metal band, which would have been far more intresting.
Hmm, you want to know what his last words probably would have been?
Hint: it's a 2,000 year old quote.
Now he is dead and the source of hate is defeated.
His followers live on.
for now :mad2:
For always. :wtf: do you have against Evangelical Christianity, anyways? I almost think I've stepped back 2,000 years to a Roman Colusseum. You disappoint me. :(
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the christianity part :D
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Ahh, so you have problems with Christians, eh? Pray tell.
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Meh.....
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You're just bitter because it's true :p
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(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/15/obituaries/15cnd_falwell-190.jpg)
Why oh why do news departments always choose the worst images of politicians to post in their news stories?
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Always? I was pretty sure they only did that to the ones they don't like. Do me a favor. Find me a bad picture of Bill Clinton from a mainstream news media. (Not a conservative one.)
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I can't really comprehend why anyone can't at least be glad that a blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic pig is finally silenced. Not for being dead, just no longer able to spout his hateful drivel. I can understand that some might be uncomfortable with the celebration over someone's death, but how can anyone look at this man and be disappointed he's gone?
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A life is a life.
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But a life spent making other people's lives miserable is one we can all do without.
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life is but one component of a person. what makes you you is more than your ability to utalise oxygen to extract energy from sugars. but the legacy you make for your self, the person you make yourself into, this is more important and the thing that people should be concerned with rather than this fear of turning into Nazis because we value some people more than others. because lets face it, the world is better off without some people.
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FYI, if there's some notion you're making that you think all Christians are racist, sexist, homophobic pigs, please change your thinking now.
The guy didnt "say things i dont like", he propogated hatred to several minorities i belong to. I am simply reflecting a fraction of the hatred back at him, and postmortem at that.
So Evil begets Evil, then. And what power, pray tell, has won on this day?
Now, I can't say much on this guy himself, because I haven't heard any of what he's said or done or represented or what (however, no matter how awful, death is nothing to celebrate), but what I am trying to do is destroy this concept you guys seem to have of Christians being hateful people. Yes, there are certain groups calling themselves Christian that advertise things such as "God hates Fags," "the Whites are God's chosen people," "Soldiers die in Iraq because God hates America's unclean folk," etc. But these ideas are heavily looked down on by the Christian community as a whole. God loves all people, regardless of age, race, sex, sexual orientation, or social, physical, mental, or psychological imperfections. That's what Christ stated, that's what the Bible says, and that's what I, as a Christian, believe. Yes, the Bible does state the act of homosexual relations is a sin, as well as incest and bestiality. Christ, however, died to atone for the sins of men, including homosexuals. No greater love can be shown for someone than for another to DIE for them. That's what I believe on the topic. So drop your own prejudices on the subject.
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Oh please! Preach us about chritianity!
For **** sake no one is blaming christianity about anything in this particular thread. It is just about the death of this certain asshole who was largely unnoticed and even more ignored in the world, but who many american assholes seemed to praise/hate.
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OK, now cool it, I never said anything worth getting angry over. I also never began preaching. All I did was tell you a little of what I believe and try to dispel some misconceptions I saw in this thread about how hateful Christians are.
Now regardless of how noticed he was, or what he'd done, his death shouldn't be praised.
If you can't post without flaming, don't post. I'd rather not like to see this thread get locked.
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I'm quite calm thank you very much.
All I did was tell you a little of what I believe
This is what caused me to use the exclamation mark. While I admit it was a little selfish of me since there other people on this board, I couldn't help but notice that no one asked.
I'm not sure how to take that last comment of yours. I an effort to not derail this thread any more I won't venture any speculation about what you are implying.
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Firstly, while you are correct in stating that no one asked me about my beliefs, there were people posting what seemed to me at the time blatant misconceptions about Christianity based on the statements of a few hatemongers. In hindsight, I see the three posts I'm talking about, one in which talks about blatant sexist, homophobic, racial, bigoted pigs and the other which states the poster having a problem with "the Christian part" were posted by different people. Nevertheless, this was the spirit in which I posted. As for my last comment: I'm not sure how the mods do things here, but I said that under the assumption that they close topics that degrade from meaningful discussions into flame wars. That's all I was implying, was that this could become that and ultimately end up locked.
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Now he is dead and the source of hate is defeated.
His followers live on.
for now :mad2:
it does suck that he died of a heart attack, rather than being doused with napalm and set ablaze by some kvlt black metal band, which would have been far more intresting.
Hmm, you want to know what his last words probably would have been?
Hint: it's a 2,000 year old quote.
Now he is dead and the source of hate is defeated.
His followers live on.
for now :mad2:
For always. :wtf: do you have against Evangelical Christianity, anyways? I almost think I've stepped back 2,000 years to a Roman Colusseum. You disappoint me. :(
the christianity part :D
no one is blaming christianity about anything in this particular thread.
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Well I didn't interpert that as an attack on christianity as a whole. Though I admit certain kind of person might do just that.
The fact is, whether you are willing to accept it or not, that christianity is one helluva big tree with a whole bunch of rotten apples. Rotten apples that tend to spread their rot around just as christianity spread around. And the christian church as an organization isn't perfect. But it still doesn't mean every single christian soul needs to be purged from the face of the earth.
Those quotes by jr2, I see as criticism on those rotten apples, or simple harmless jokes.
If someone wants to set up a cyberspace crusade over it, then **** him.
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There is no such thing as a completely hatefull person.
Regardless of what he SAID (Stick and stones can break my bones, but words cannot hurt me), he surely had some positive traits.
He probably cared about many people and many people cared about him...family, friends.
Even hitler had pople he loved and that loved him (including his dogs :D)
THAT is why every death is a tragedy.
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THAT is why every death is a tragedy.
Fair enough, but some deaths are less tragic than others.
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No, none less tragic, because the human life, the thing that makes both evil and good, gets extinguished. Regardless of what direction that particular life swayed in, it could always swing back the other way. Upon death, that opportunity comes to a close.
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You've been watching too much Star Wars...
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Tis true...even Lucifer was an angel...what is up can go down....what is down can go up :D
Taht siad, you never really met that guy in person or seen him how he normally behaves.. Who knows, maby he's a caring uncle/grnpa or a really fun guy to hang around with. ;7
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If someone wants to set up a cyberspace crusade over it, then **** him.
Did someone say... crusade?
*ahum*
HALLOWED ARE THE ORI! THOSE WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THE PATH SHALL BE DESTROYED!
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can and will are two different things, I am happy the man is gone cause there is less hate in the world, what you are seeing here is merely it's faint echo.
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Why do you think someone is hateful towards another just because they disagree?
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can and will are two different things, I am happy the man is gone cause there is less hate in the world, what you are seeing here is merely it's faint echo.
Are you so sure of that? Or did his death mearly bring all the previously hidden hate to surface?
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No, none less tragic, because the human life, the thing that makes both evil and good, gets extinguished. Regardless of what direction that particular life swayed in, it could always swing back the other way. Upon death, that opportunity comes to a close.
Sorry? I'm not really getting your point through all that religious smug. Perhaps you could dumb it down a notch for those of us not living in the lovey-dovey world of happiness and joy you seem to inhabit?
Taht siad, you never really met that guy in person or seen him how he normally behaves.. Who knows, maby he's a caring uncle/grnpa or a really fun guy to hang around with. ;7
So you'd be more than happy to go down the pub with someone on the basis of them being 'fun', regardless of the fact that they're an utter racist, sexist bigot?
Not that there's anything really wrong with that, I guess. I mean, personally I don't tend to associate myself with human trash like this Falwell fellow, but to each their own I always say.
Why do you think someone is hateful towards another just because they disagree?
Oh, I see. Jerry Falwell didn't actually blame 9/11 on gays and feminists, he just disagreed with the notion that they weren't responsible! Thanks for clearing that up for me, matey.
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There was no "religious smug" in that post. All I said was that humans have the capacity to go very good and very evil. They also can go from very good to very evil in a rather short timeframe, and vice versa. So no matter how "bad" a person might be, there's always a chance for them to pull a 180. When they die, they cannot anymore, and thus, the tragedy.
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There was no "religious smug" in that post. All I said was that humans have the capacity to go very good and very evil. They also can go from very good to very evil in a rather short timeframe, and vice versa. So no matter how "bad" a person might be, there's always a chance for them to pull a 180. When they die, they cannot anymore, and thus, the tragedy.
Alright, I can agree with this.
But no where do I see any pointed attacks on Christianity, except from Nuke, which is understandable given his... umm... musical backround. People who have "problems" with evangelical Christianity are usually people that it has problems with itself. A conflict is created that is started by the Christians trying to impose their views on others. All "problems" are simply a reactionary force.
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Eh... not all of them. Maybe most of them.
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Eh... not all of them. Maybe most of them.
Agreed, I swept a little wide with that generalization. :)