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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: CP5670 on February 03, 2002, 12:40:00 pm
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This was posted on the SSC forums yesterday and I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read it:
Back in the early 90s, this list was compiled by Gar Smith, in affiliation with the Earth Island Journal, a publication of the Earth Island Institute. I wish this was a joke, but I don’t think it is. I hope this represents the extreme left-wing of the environmental movement, and not the brunt of the effort. If you agree with too many of these suggestions, I fear you.
Commentary is in italics.
50 Difficult Things You Can Do To Save The Earth
1. Bury your car. What the Hell??
2. Become a total vegetarian. Help me out here. What does this do for the environment? Do I want to save the trees, or eat them?
3. Grow your own vegetables. I guess I could use that loose dirt from where I buried the car.
4. Have your power lines disconnected. Are you laughing yet?
5. Don’t have children. What else am I going to do in the dark?
6. Restrict the population of motor vehicles. Done. I buried the car.
7. Don’t build cars. Why not? We could use them to promote the growth of coral reef.
8. Stop building roads. After all, we’ve buried our cars.
9. Replace roads with homes, parks, and gardens. Don’t ask how we’ll transport the materials to build the homes.
10. Halt weapons production and exports. Who would want to invade a land of car-gardens anyway?
11. Stop the sale, distribution, and export of cigarettes. Damned environmental terrors that they are.
12. Send an amount of money to Brazil to provide urban jobs for impoverished workers now forced into the rainforests. Ok. You lost me.
13. Blockade a lumber truck carrying old-growth trees. I’m guessing they buried their truck. Maybe they’re carrying the wood to help build a house where those roads used to be.
14. Spend a month tree-sitting. Because, of course, we can’t have trees running willy-nilly all over the place.
15. Try to live, if you can, to within the world average income ($1250 per year) for one month. Do the math. That’s $104.17. I guess I could live in my car. Wait… I buried it.
16. Cut up your credit cards. Actually, not a bad idea. I no longer have electricity or transportation. I won’t be buying anything. And I’m sure this has a wonderful effect on the environment.
17. Unplug your television. May as well. I don’t have any power lines.
18. Undertake a Conservation Sabbath: one day a week without consuming electricity or fuel. Shouldn’t be too hard now.
19. Fast a day each week, send the money saved on food to help feed the hungry. Remember that you only have a little over 100 bucks. You’ll be lucky to fast only one day a week. It’s a good thing you grow your own vegetables.
20. Adopt a homeless person. Actually, by this point, they probably have it a lot better than me. And I hear they are quite hard on the environment, and that’s what this list is all about.
21. Raise the minimum wage to a survival income. No. Want to make more money? Get a better job. I sure feel good about all the impact this has on the environment.
22. Enact a maximum wage law. Oops. Never mind about that ‘get a better job’ thing. “Thank you,” says the environment.
23. Tie politicians’ salaries to the average working wage. Sure. Whatever. It’s enviro-tastic!
24. Replace majority rule with proportional representation. We love you, environment. See… we have proportional representation.
25. Replace the Electoral College with direct democratic elections. Wait just a minute… AH-HA! Me thinks there’s a bit more than just an environmental agenda here.
26. Abolish the CIA and the National Security Act of 1949. I did! I did saw a putty tat!
27. Pass a nature amendment to the US Constitution. Congress shall pass no law that involves the upsetting of a single molecule of this great planet…
28. Oust presidential adviser John Sununu. I guess that was timely back in the day. To update for current times, I’m sure you could plug in any ol’ conservative.
29. Plant one new tree every day. May as well. Got nothin’ else to do anymore.
30. Go to jail for something you believe in. By this point you’ve probably spent your 100 bucks. At least in jail you’ll get three square meals a day. And, of course, jail time is good for the environment.
31. Don’t own pets. Damn cats caused the polar ice caps to melt.
32. Allow all beef-producing domestic cattle to become extinct. Save the environment. Screw the cows. Oh, and starve to death.
33. Redirect the military budget to restoration work; convert weapons factories to peaceful research; retrain soldiers for ecological restoration. How ‘bout you soldiers get busy cleaning up all these dead cows?
34. Remove US Forest Service from under the Agriculture Department; place USFS, Bureau of Land Management, Fish & Wildlife Service under the EPA. By this point, I’m sure anarchy prevails. And the environment has always responded well to organizational changes within the US government.
35. Consume only products produced within your bioregion. Of course, travel outside your bioregion has become problematic ever since you buried your car.
36. Don’t eat anything that comes in a package. You haven’t eaten in a while.
37. Don’t buy anything that comes in a box. How far have you come this month with your $100?
38. Require operators and owners of nuclear plants to live within a mile of the site. In fact, let’s turn ‘em off. Will someone please clean up all these disconnected power lines?
39. Mandate federal recycling and institute a refuse tax on solid waste. Oh good, more taxes. I was afraid I’d never get rid of all this money.
40. Pipe polluted water back into the water supplies of the companies that do the polluting. Vindictive little tree-huggers, aren’t we?
41. Don’t own anything that runs on batteries. [iSorry ladies.
42. Hand over excess packaging to store manager on visits to the grocery [store]. [/i]*sigh*[/i]
43. Travel by bus, never by air. Ok, but now we’ll have to dig ‘em all up.
44. Stop using toilet paper and Kleenex; use washable cloth. I have dysentery, but damn if the trees aren’t pretty. This won’t be taxed under that solid waste law, will it?
45. Extend the life of your wardrobe by learning to make and mend your own clothes. Out of beef cow carcasses.
46. Give money to every single panhandler you meet. What money?
47. Democratize your workplace; start a union or collective. Teamsters = clean air, I guess.
48. Learn to farm. Didn’t we do that way back on #3?
49. Liberate a zoo. I’ll release these turtles. You go open up those lion cages.
50. Ask your boss if you can take a day off to work on healing the planet… with pay! You’re fired. Hippie.[/QB]
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half those things dont save the enviroment!
worthless hippies, hopefully by the time we screw over this floating rock is space we will have the ability to screw over more rocks. I hope those hippies arn't stepping on any rocks, they are destroying miniature models of our planet!
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now thats... scary (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Id better get a shovle...
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On a related Note; one of Kazan's friends booted Peta out of their school. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620279/posts ("http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620279/posts")
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Dunno why, but I felt of my chair when I read the n° 14' answer (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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That is definitely one of the funniest things I have seen in a while!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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That was seriously screwed up.
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I wonder what would happen if I mentioned to an envronment nut of this sort that human civilization is a part of nature too, and that pollution is comparable to an Ice Age...
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
I wonder what would happen if I mentioned to an envronment nut of this sort that human civilization is a part of nature too, and that pollution is comparable to an Ice Age...
then they would probly kill you using some magical enviromental powers
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
I wonder what would happen if I mentioned to an envronment nut of this sort that human civilization is a part of nature too, and that pollution is comparable to an Ice Age...
they would bury you next to your car (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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'Course, I have to say that some of the commentary is just as creepy as the main list...
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Damn Hippies. I have one of them in my Form at school, just to tell you her mental state she asked the teacher in RE if "Jesus could of been an animal" and in geography said people moved into the cities because of the smell of the farms.
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hmmm, kill off cows...this helps the environment how? go to total democracy....if this idiot is anything close to the average person, i would have a hard time seeing how we would survive. Damn hippies, they bring a bad name to environmentalists
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Environmentals are a bad thing because they are hippies. Im sick of all this treehugging vegie stuff. You actually need meat because it helps your digestive system by providing bacteria that breaks up food, vegatarians actually harm themselves by not eating it.
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Banf
In case anyone wanted to know, that's the sound of a bong hitting someone's skull.
Ecofreaks are NOT hippies. Some of them are a pale imitation, but they are decidedly not the real thing. If you think treehuggers are hippies, you have not the first clue what either group really is, and have been digesting commercialized culture and 60s retro pap for far too many years to be helped. Just stop saying it, and I won't have to explain either at length directly to the stump that was once your insufficiently ballasted head.
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Explain to the Hangerman (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Jesus Tap-dancing Christ! That was hilarious!
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Originally posted by LtNarol:
hmmm, kill off cows...this helps the environment how? go to total democracy....if this idiot is anything close to the average person, i would have a hard time seeing how we would survive. Damn hippies, they bring a bad name to environmentalists
The scary thing is that Im sometimes called Mr.Cow(dont ask why) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/nervous.gif)
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The planet is fine, the people are f*****
-George Carlin
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I'm an environmentalist; I'm going into environmental law, but CP is right. That list was SERIOUSLY fu(ked up. Yeah, I detected a little more than an environmental agenda here... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
I'm all for saving the environment, but becoming a technology-hating sociopath is NOT the the way to do it.
*farts in the general direction of the Unabomber*
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Originally posted by LtNarol:
hmmm, kill off cows...this helps the environment how? go to total democracy....if this idiot is anything close to the average person, i would have a hard time seeing how we would survive. Damn hippies, they bring a bad name to environmentalists
hey, it is a well known fact that cow farts destroy the atmosphere... oh well, never mind (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Just please don't tell me thats real documentation (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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i saw hippes, anarchists, communists, and revolutionists in there.
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Originally posted by CP5670:
12. Send an amount of money to Brazil... (ignore the rest of the sentence)
Hey, I like that one! You can send the money to:
Av. Ipiranga 3427 apto 1101
Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
90610-001
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You know, there's an easier and more cost effective way to solve the problems that that article is trying illustrate.
1. Get a hand gun.
2. Buy a bullet.
3. Place bullet in hand gun.
4. Place hand gun muzzle to you're head.
5. breath out.
6. Pull trigger.
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That was....hmmm... Suffice it to say that it has nothing onJerusalem Syndrome! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (kidding)
Funny thing is, I actually agree with 11 whole-heartedly, and 17 ain't all that bad an idea either. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
*ducks, leaps sideways, lands with a roll, and comes up inside the grave of a car - nice and hidden*
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Funny thing is, I actually agree with 11 whole-heartedly...
Me too!
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I think the one about not having children was pretty funny. Two oh so wrong things with that.
1) In North American, population growth is in the negatives. We are experiencing population DECLINE. If it were not for immigration, we would probably be having some pretty big problems.
2) World population is now expected to level off at 11 Billion rather than the 20 Billion expected only a few years ago. We're going to reach the peak and start falling off.
Now all we need are some cleaner industry, hydrogen powered cars (in the works!), and some environmental consciousness and things will work out nicely.
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The world population is going to level off at 11 billion, huh? I suppose that's relatively good news; after all 11 billion is better than 20 billion...
But considering that we already have 6 billion+ people on this plane already, we're in for some serious crunch time.
IceFire, when is the world population expected to hit 11 billion? Around the year 2050 or so?
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When I think of 11 billion people, I'm seeing arcologies and HUGE towering builidings...
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Originally posted by sandwich:
That was....hmmm... Suffice it to say that it has nothing onJerusalem Syndrome! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (kidding)
Funny thing is, I actually agree with 11 whole-heartedly, and 17 ain't all that bad an idea either. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
*ducks, leaps sideways, lands with a roll, and comes up inside the grave of a car - nice and hidden*
? I don't. I don't smoke when someone could be annoyed by that, so why would someone prevent me from smoking when I do want to smoke and nobody's here? If you don't like something, just don't pay attention, otherwise it has a name: extremism.
edit: and there, I'll light one and smoke it just for you (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
[This message has been edited by venom2506 (edited 02-04-2002).]
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My personal opinion on the enviromental issue is that we do need to pay more attention to these issues for 50 or so years, or whenever technology will have progressed far enough that human dependency on the global environment drops to a much lower level. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
I am a vegetarian but only really because of the health reasons involved (there is enough medical evidence IMHO); eating meat is not environmentally destructive at all (it fits in properly with the global ecosystems anyway), although even if it was, I probably wouldn't care. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I found this thing really funny though. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Unplug TV?!?! The insanity of it all! Not eating meat actually deprives you of bacteria needed to help you digest food, so its unheathly, also i didnt fight my way to the top of the food chain to become a vegie.
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Originally posted by Dark_4ce:
You know, there's an easier and more cost effective way to solve the problems that that article is trying illustrate.
1. Get a hand gun.
2. Buy a bullet.
3. Place bullet in hand gun.
4. Place hand gun muzzle to you're head.
5. breath out.
6. Pull trigger.
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*Buys Nerf Gun* *jams 9mm bullet into Nerf gun* *Breaths out* *pulls trigger* *says "ow!"*
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"You have been overloaded with knowlage my young friend" - untouchable
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Originally posted by Zeronet:
Not eating meat actually deprives you of bacteria needed to help you digest food...
...bacteria need to help you digest MEAT.
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Originally posted by mikhael:
...bacteria need to help you digest MEAT.
Yeah, so when you dont eat meat, those bacteria can cause complications.
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Originally posted by Zeronet:
Yeah, so when you dont eat meat, those bacteria can cause complications.
No no no! He means those bacteria are only consumed to digest *meat*. If you don't eat meat, you can digest the other foods fine. So...in essence, you need to eat meat to be able to digest it...wow...I kinda confused myself...
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I warned you... I feel a little Al Gore coming on...
First of all, the hippie movement was only superficiallya political movement. The clear motive of the movement (at least, clear to all those who have come any closer to the hippie/yippie ideology than watching an actor playing a hippie get stoned on the televised astroturf or listening to what Rush Limbaugh has to say about them), is to increase individual liberties, to the point of near-total (if not complete) dismantling of the government. Basically, Yippies and hippies like to enjoy themselves however they want to, without our puritanical sensibilities getting passed off as legitimate laws and preventing them from being proud, happy human beings with the perfectly natural desires to get high, get laid, and not have to pay to take a **** . Anarchists, if you're that sort of person. The politics of the hippies were ostensibly communist, where everyone shares in everything, including both labor and resources, but it's clear they dissaproved of the sort of authoritarian fascistic government required to start up a proper communist nation by their reaction to our own capitalist authoritarian government.
Ecofreaks, on the other hand, are an increasingly quasifascistic group who believes that humanity as a species is wreaking havoc on nature (everything not humanity), and that their goal in life is to minimize the human footprint on the world as much as possible. On occasion, ecofreaks adopt parts of hippie culture, first of all because the minor hippie philosophy promoting humanity in a natural state, second because both groups opposed similar factions, and finally because even ecofreaks want to enjoy themselves a little (though not too much, that might hurt something or make them look bad). Fascists, not anarchists. Opposide ends of the spectrum, were the spectrum noncyclical.
Anyone ELSE wanna say it? I haven't made anyone look like a complete putz yet, but the next person to fail to at least think will feel the brunt of my logical/rhetorical wrath. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif)
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amen! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I'm not sure which is worse.
Hippies or ecofreaks.
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That's a matter of personal opinion, I suppose, if you really think about it... obviously enough, while I no longer subscribe to either ideology, I still tend to lean towards the hippies (well, technically, I'm an ex-Yippie by philosophy, but the two are similar in many ways)...
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Zeronet: Delta is right. If you don't eat meat, you don't get those bacteria that later help you digest meat. You don't need them. Sorry, no one ever died from being a vegetarian. My wife has gone for nearly 18yrs as a lacto-ovo vegetarian. She's living last I checked.
Yup. Just checked. She's still kicking. At least, if she's unhealthy for not eating meat, its not affecting her yelling voice. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Stryke9: Very nice summation. I wouldn't waste too much more effort, though, on the people who continue to insist ecofreak==hippie. You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.
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Originally posted by JR2000Z:
I'm not sure which is worse.
Hippies or ecofreaks.
Hippofreaks (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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That is hilarious!
I LOL'd at number 31's comment, geez, now everyone in my house is looking at me funny (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I don't like ecofreaks... the earth's going to melt away eventually! (sol will expand and die etc.) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Well, decidedly I'm a Nihilist in some of my beliefs... but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying life... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
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I found numbers 35 and 43 the best. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Zeronet: Delta is right. If you don't eat meat, you don't get those bacteria that later help you digest meat. You don't need them. Sorry, no one ever died from being a vegetarian. My wife has gone for nearly 18yrs as a lacto-ovo vegetarian. She's living last I checked.
of course, more proof is that I have been a vegetarian my entire life (15.41 years), and I am posting this. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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you don't know what you're missing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Carl:
you don't know what you're missing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Too damned right! I'm not a hard core carnivore, but I love me some spicy italian sausages and a thick juicy steak and properly fried chicken and burgers. Gods, a nice thick juicy burger with cheese and chili and coleslaw... Man. I'm hungry. I need to have a cookout.
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It's not only for bacteria... Meat and animal products are the only way for the human body to get the B12 vitamin it needs + the human digesting system is not made to process only plant stuff.
Being vegetarian is like a fish jumping onto the dry because he hates water. That's scientifically approved (The vegetarian thing, not the fish (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)).
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Why would meat taste so good if it wasn't for us to eat it? What would be the whole point of having cows at all? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Starwing:
It's not only for bacteria... Meat and animal products are the only way for the human body to get the B12 vitamin it needs + the human digesting system is not made to process only plant stuff.
Being vegetarian is like a fish jumping onto the dry because he hates water. That's scientifically approved (The vegetarian thing, not the fish (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)).
Your body may not be set up like a bovine's for digesting only vegetable matter, but it is not harmed by not consuming meat, so long as your nutritional needs are met.
Whilst, indeed, you can get macrocytic anemia from a B12 deficiency, lacto-ovo vegetarians (Those who eat cheese and/or eggs) easily avoid it. Also, you can get B12 in a vitamin supplements without much effort.
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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Hmm, It looks like Stryke has said the most sensible thing I've ever heard him say.
Oh and BTW. He (http://www.stallman.org/power-tie.jpg) Is a hippie (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
PS. Hippies write a lot of free software ("http://www.gnu.org"). That you unknowingly use almost every day. I am not a Hippie myself but I understand and respect their beliefs more than a lot of other more common views.
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
Hmm, It looks like Stryke has said the most sensible thing I've ever heard him say.
Oh and BTW. He (http://www.stallman.org/power-tie.jpg) Is a hippie (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
PS. Hippies write a lot of free software ("http://www.gnu.org"). That you unknowingly use almost every day. I am not a Hippie myself but I understand and respect their beliefs more than a lot of other more common views.
Dear gods! That might be the first time I've seen RMS showered and smiling.
BTW: is that Free as Speech or Free as in Beer? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
Hmm, It looks like Stryke has said the most sensible thing I've ever heard him say.
*little bow*
I know of what I speak, particularly in this case. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Hippies write a lot of free software. That you unknowingly use almost every day.[/b]
The only middle-aged adults I know of who have openly embraced computer technology, specifically the internet, are all ex-hippies. Strange, but I guess the culture is the closest thing we have nowadays... depressingly enough.
I am not a Hippie myself but I understand and respect their beliefs more than a lot of other more common views.[/b]
I still have yet to forgive the originals for not taking the revolution all the way, but the hippie philosophies decidedly make sense in a time of mindless fads resembling stampedes, panicked attempts to hoard the units of an arbitrary system of power and prestige, and a short man with a funny-looking face standing up on a platform in front of millions of citizens and vocally decrying "evil" as a trait of specific groups who must be exterminated.
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) Very Good (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
On a related Note; one of Kazan's friends booted Peta out of their school. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620279/posts ("http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620279/posts")
not my school - the elementry next to his high school
he goes to Kennedy across town - I go to Washington (The best fuggin school in the state - and that's no bull - the statistics prove it)
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in german environmentalist freaks are "oekofruend"s (pronounce OOOOr-Ko-Fround [the r sound at the begining is barely audibly, mostly the low "O" sound)
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The Guy that wrote an operating system to sell
or the Guys that wrote an operating system to use
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"God is dead." - Nietzsche
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Alliance Productions ("http://alliance.sourceforge.net")
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I have tried some meat before; tastes weird, kinda like what one would expect of rubber. Give me my usual boiled veggies and I'm good to go. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Anyway, I have seen many studies that say what eating meat significantly increases the chances of strokes and heart attacks later on in life.
you know, why don't people eat human corpses as well? They would be an equally good source of nutrition and are fairly easy to obtain whenever people die of old age...
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Originally posted by CP5670:
I have tried some meat before; tastes weird, kinda like what one would expect of rubber. Give me my usual boiled veggies and I'm good to go. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Anyway, I have seen many studies that say what eating meat significantly increases the chances of strokes and heart attacks later on in life.
you know, why don't people eat human corpses as well? They would be an equally good source of nutrition and are fairly easy to obtain whenever people die of old age...
Eating old meat is nasty. Give it to me in the prime. I figure you get the best meat off a person between the ages of about 16 and 35. The only problem is that primate meat is kind of tough, unless the animal is properly fatted, and then the meat tends to be underdeveloped. Further, it is greasy (much in the same way that dog meat is greasy) and not terribly palatable. Of course, there's other problems with eating people, not the least of which being that unless it is properly and fully cooked, it can cause severe damage to the stomach lining. Further, humans can't be trusted to take care of their own bodies. Do you want to eat a smoker? A drug user? An alcoholic? Nasty.
Finally, eating people might be a good way to keep the population down. I do believe it has been suggested before in 'A Modest Proposal'. I believe, however, that the author of that fine work suggested eating meat that was not yet properly aged.
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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Actually, human meat is quite good as sushi. More nutritious than any other food in the world, as well... But you DO have to make it yourself, to ensure it's cleaned properly, most of these cannibal establishments aren't too quality-minded.
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Problem: Human meat is far more likely to contain bacteria theat affects humans.
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Can we close this? Pleeeze? *gags*
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Actually, human meat is quite good as sushi. More nutritious than any other food in the world, as well... But you DO have to make it yourself, to ensure it's cleaned properly, most of these cannibal establishments aren't too quality-minded.
As sushi, human flesh is quite bad for you. Hominid blood, for example, is detrimental to human stomach linings. Besides that, human flesh is among the most septic meat you can get. Further, as Top Gun noted, the nasties are guaranteed to be able to find a new home in your body. You might try to clean it properly, but if you're not cooking it, you're at the the mercy of your meal's hygenic habits.
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ruhkferret on ICQ/AIM
"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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Most of the bacteria in anyone's body aren't particularly dangerous to your own, so long as they were fairly healthy and had never come down with some lifelong illness like TB. It's also very healthy, since it already has just the proteins and nutrients your own body needs. But time to change the topic.
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Okay, so by the end of the 50 things we'd have:
No cars
No power
Rotting beef everywhere
No money
Lots of carrots and potatoes
Polluted water
No pets
Taxes on everything
No commercialization or industrialization
That sounds like fun! And while we're at it, we a can all become Mormans and move to Wisconsin! Or if we're really devoted, we can be Amish and build bar....oh wait, we can't cut down any trees to make barns.
[Warning: Post has exceeded maximum sarcasm limits. Please consult nearest coder, or personal deity for advice/assistance]
Think how good the Amish would be at building stuff if they used power-tools.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Most of the bacteria in anyone's body aren't particularly dangerous to your own, so long as they were fairly healthy and had never come down with some lifelong illness like TB. It's also very healthy, since it already has just the proteins and nutrients your own body needs. But time to change the topic.
From your OWN body yes. Witness the deliterious effects of one person's personal strain of escheria coli when they enter another person's system. You might be prepared for your own fauna, but you will not be prepared for someone elses.
Moral: Always thoroughly cook people before you eat them. We wouldn't want anyone getting sick and dying, would we?
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"Your guy was a little SQUARE! You had to use your IMAGINATION! There were no multiple levels or screens. There was just one screen forever and you could never win the game. It just kept getting harder and faster until you died. JUST LIKE LIFE." --Ernie Cline
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Thats why you don't give rim jo......err never mind. Lets just say that lower-digestive bacteria tend to cause problem in the upper digestive tracts.
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Human meat tastes a lot like pork... but pork is better. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
And come on, all you vegetarian freaks! (note: this is a joke) You wouldn't be here if your ancestors hadn't eaten meat! They wouldn't have developed tools to improve their hunting abilities, wouldn't have controlled fire to be able to cook the products of the hunt, and wouldn't have done a lot of things that led to our current state as the single sentient species on the planet. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
So stop arguing and go have a steak (oh, no! that sounded wrong!)!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Besides, meat is good!!!
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Originally posted by Styxx:
So stop arguing and go have a steak (oh, no! that sounded wrong!)!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) And what kind of steak might we be talking about? A steak from a cow or from a GVA Sete-
*looks over shoulder*
Never mind, actually.
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The best thing about being online is that I can make these things as they are needed... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Meat is good for the soul, no really.
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