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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Unknown Target on May 23, 2007, 01:46:39 pm
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Since HLP is a pretty gaming-centric community, filled with gaming-centric people, what annoys you most about those people who don't play games but still insist on engaging you with what is commonly known as "social interaction"?
I have to say, one of the things at the top of my list is when people walk over and either A) compare every shooter you happen to be playing to Halo - either "that looks like Halo," "this rips off of Halo" (with an old or new game) or even "Is this Halo?" - which brings me to my next point, B ) when people come over and ask you if the game you're playing is the game that they're used to playing. Case in point? I'm playing STALKER, and one kid comes over and asks me "Is that Battlefield 2?" and then another, right after, comes over and asks me "Is that SOCOM?" (on a PC). Ok, guys, you play YOUR game, whatever it may be, I'd figure you'd be smart enough to figure out that a game that takes place in a post apocalyptic landscape and is on an entirely different system, and even better, is played from the first instead of third person, is not the same game that you play at home.
Rant over, anyone want to add?
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One thing that, while not exactly annoying, is certainly awkward, is when a family member (say, my uncle) who has absolutely no knowledge of games or gaming, suddenly sees you playing and decides to find out what the fuss is about. It's a leap of imagination that cannot be explained, it has to be experienced.
How do you explain a game to someone who has never used a mouse, and whose most recent interaction with a computer involved using punch-cards? How do you explain slower-than-light lasers, weird aliens and massive destructo-fests of exploding ships to someone whose reaction to the phrase "Star Wars" is "Ah yes, that Reagan thing."? How do you explain fireballs, dragons, runes, swordplay and level-advancement to someone whose idea of roleplaying is that stuff psychologists inevitably do when they've got a group to work with? How do you explain that one does not need to be a violent person to like Duke Nukem 3D?
There are reasons people like Jack Thomson exist, and one of them is that these things cannot be adequately explained to an outsider. And when someone you care about suddenly shows up and wants to know, and you try your best to explain but know deep down that everything you say is going way over their heads, that's not really comfortable. If makes you feel bad, and makes them feel old, stupid, and perhaps a bit worried if they managed to catch you with Doom 3 running. I now make it a point to never be playing a video game whenever anyone from the more senior generations happen to stop by.
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I hate how they ridicule us for being computer literate.
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For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize". I mean, really. What are we doing on this forum right here and now? I'd call this socializing. And most if not all of us have real-world lives alongside the time we spend on games and the internet.
"You're a gamer? And here I thought you had a life..." and comments of that nature. :mad:
When did gamers get a reputation for being people who lock themselves in a room all day and not speak to anyone? I've not heard of even one person who does that (although, at the same time, I don't doubt that there is some nut out there who does), and that seems to be in the non-gamer's mental image of us... :doubt:
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Actually it has to be said I do know some people who'd rather sit in their rooms all day playing games than going out and doing other stuff - which is really their call.
But that does give computer gamers a bad deal. Particularly PC gamers as console gaming has a certain "pick up and play" chic appeal to it that means anyone - quite literally - can pick up and learn all the controls fairly quickly. PC games require a little bit more thought put into them and that's often enough to make someone switch off.
So I suppose my gripe is the stigma that comes of playing computer games.
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For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize".
Good point there. Not socializing? Right now, I'm posting on a forum that has members from every continent, I've got two IRC channels and a java chat window going where I'm having conversations in two different languages with people from at least 10 different countries, I'm exchanging E-mails with a family member in Philadelphia, and I haven't even gotten around to checking PMs yet.
Sure, we don't go out and get drunk together (though I suppose that wouldn't be unthinkable if we lived close enough together), but why should socializing be that narrowly defined? I'm well aware this makes me a grade-A geek (well, that, and the browsing Wikipedia for fun, the computer-fixing for IT-ignorant family and my love for science fiction and fantasy). But it doesn't make me anti-social. Besides, I like a good party as much as the next guy, I watch football with my friends and I like to go out canoeing in the summer, so I guess there's hope for me yet :)
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For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize". I mean, really. What are we doing on this forum right here and now? I'd call this socializing. And most if not all of us have real-world lives alongside the time we spend on games and the internet.
"You're a gamer? And here I thought you had a life..." and comments of that nature. :mad:
That's the one I hate the most. And I agree with what Shade says, socializing cant be defined this narrowly but almost all people who I've spoken about this cant understand something so simple. Two other classic ones are: "Games are for kids" and "Games are stupid/You dont learn anything from this". I swear, I already had entire discussions of various subjects like about philosophy, society, etc simply from something I saw on games like MGS (specially MGS2) and so on.
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That they stole my damn PnP RPG player label and applied to their fancy computerized crap.
Bunch of undisciplined whippersnappers, get off my lawn!
/me shakes his cane.
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What really pisses me off are otherwise reasonable people like Roger Ebert who quote these bull**** studies that gamers brains turn off when they're playing and generally scoff at the idea of games having any value, not (necessarily) because they see games as a dire threat to our society like Jack Thompson does, but because they're so deep set in their beliefs that it's too straining on their minds to even consider that a game could possess any artistic value whatsoever. These people need to play Dreamfall or something.
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Almost every high-functioning animal uses play to hone it's skills, and not just children, the problem here is the assumption that 'games' = 'kids', and therefore why are young men and women playing them?
The truth is, the games don't change, we just think up different names for them, 'Sport', 'Dancing', 'Theatre', 'Art' etc, it's still a question of using your imagination to add substance to the insubstancial.
The problem with people like Jack Thompson's view of the world is that they think this 'Training' means 'Brainwashing', it's like saying that it is common for an actor to actually think they are the character they are playing all the time and not just whilst they are in the studio acting.
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Never really liked Roger Ebert anyway. Why is he considered such an authority on... everything related to entertainment?
And noone's ever insulted me for being a gamer. Realize that most of the US teen population plays Halo (oh, sorry to stereotype) for at least an hour a day. "Gamer" is no longer a wierdo, it's the norm. So I don't understand what you guys are getting at. Maybe you have your own stereotype of what a nerd is, and you fit it, but no need to fear. You spend as much time at a computer as "normal" people.
As for socialization, never was a priority for me, FRED is plenty to explore for me. What's with you guys? :p
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My problem isn't really with the stereotype, I'm hoping to work in the programming industry, though, probably not games unless I'm lucky/unfortunate (depending on how you look at it), so the knock-on effect of politicians clambering to grandstand over the Virginia Tech shootings etc has a negative effect on the infustry.
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Is Robert Epert the guy with the stupid comics? Because I hate that pretentious windbag.
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some think we are idiots dispite the fact that we are the ones that fix there computers. they think that we are not athletic when alot of us are. they think that [slogan] games kill brains! [\slogan]
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That's the one I hate the most. And I agree with what Shade says, socializing cant be defined this narrowly but almost all people who I've spoken about this cant understand something so simple. Two other classic ones are: "Games are for kids" and "Games are stupid/You dont learn anything from this". I swear, I already had entire discussions of various subjects like about philosophy, society, etc simply from something I saw on games like MGS (specially MGS2) and so on.
Me too. A...15 years old girl told me "You still play with your videogames? You're too old " :blah:
About MGS...I had some discussions about the themes of the game. Sometimes it goes beyond the reality, but there are some...real or possible things in that series you can talk about.
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Ebert is one of the few movie reviewers I actually agree with most of the time, but naturally he has an extremely inflated view of film in general.
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The people who annoy me most with relation to games are politicians, particularly older ones, but sometimes not that have never played a video game before, have no concept of what said video game is, and have demonized every single video game on the planet because "its bad for the children!!!" which of course is a gross simplification and not unlike a similar view taken of Rock and Roll from the 1960's. Its a phase...we'll eventually get out of it when the decision makers also grew up playing video games.
Generally speaking my age group (now in the 20-29 bracket) has played video games....lots of them...all the time...as a normal fact of entertainment life. When I was young it was odd for someone to play video games but everyone is playing them now. On PC, console, whatever...its hard to find a guy that hasn't played <insert game here>. Not everyone is a hardcore FreeSpace or StarCraft or Oblivion or World of WarCraft player...but most people enjoy a good game and probably own at least one console. Its the vastly older people who are more "out of the loop" on the video game phenomenon and culture. Some of them are scared of it...most are intrigued from a distance like my parents. My parents understand video games, occasionally try and play them, but its not really their thing.
I know there is research on the subject but I'm fairly certain that younger people have a brain evolved for dealing with video games and the abstract interaction between control and screen. Most in their 40s and 50s didn't grow up with it and simply don't have that brain structure. Most of them thought TV was a newfangled gadget...there's good research on how the generational gaps are somewhat significant.
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I remember when I was in second grade, two people I knew had borrowed each other's games, and one of them said "Dude, how do I install this? That thing doesn't come up when I put the CD in." So I interjected "click on the icon "my computer", then click on your CD drive, then look for a file named SETUP." Then he shouted at me "How am I supposed to remember that? I'm not a computer geek like you!"
I almost died laughing,
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ROFL. Should've spared him the trouble & told him to use the cmd line. :lol:
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I remember when I was in second grade, two people I knew had borrowed each other's games, and one of them said "Dude, how do I install this? That thing doesn't come up when I put the CD in." So I interjected "click on the icon "my computer", then click on your CD drive, then look for a file named SETUP." Then he shouted at me "How am I supposed to remember that? I'm not a computer geek like you!"
I almost died laughing,
In all fairness, you were in second grade. That's like seven years old. I'm surprised you knew that at that age, and understood the steps.
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How do you explain that one does not need to be a violent person to like Duke Nukem 3D?
There are reasons people like Jack Thomson exist, and one of them is that these things cannot be adequately explained to an outsider. And when someone you care about suddenly shows up and wants to know, and you try your best to explain but know deep down that everything you say is going way over their heads, that's not really comfortable. If makes you feel bad, and makes them feel old, stupid, and perhaps a bit worried if they managed to catch you with Doom 3 running. I now make it a point to never be playing a video game whenever anyone from the more senior generations happen to stop by.
This part angers me. My own mother catches me playing alien versus predator back 2000 and thought that the game was such an evil incarnation of the devil that she wanted to pass it through a fire to cleanse it. She's christian, and personally i think she over reacted to it, and thought a little to highly of herself at the same time. As much as she yelled at me i played that game for 2 months, and had it another three. I only got to beating the alien profile. I just didn't find the game very entertaining from day one. Then when i was going to get rid of the game, i told my mom i was going to sell it to my friend, and she over reacted like i predicted, and i said well i hardly used it my friend wants to buy it from me, i'm not going to give it to you to burn. So i made her buy it off of me, i mean ****, she's not going to burn my stuff for free of that of which i was going to sell. After playing the game my mom feared for me :lol: Of course my dad didn't care, he watched play unreal tournament in 2000 at max volume shouting obscenities at the computer as i was kicking ass. He knew that the game was deathmatch, he knew i wouldn't go psycho either.
Just some people these days.
And yes i make it a point to play games doom3 and fear, and so on around older generations of people. Hell my grandpa doesn't care, he just doesn't know how my hands work with the control schemes.
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I almost died laughing,
In all fairness, you were in second grade. That's like seven years old. I'm surprised you knew that at that age, and understood the steps.
Eh? It's right on the instructions that come with most CDs. Completely foolproof... err, well, not completely...
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Me too. A...15 years old girl told me "You still play with your videogames? You're too old " :blah:
About MGS...I had some discussions about the themes of the game. Sometimes it goes beyond the reality, but there are some...real or possible things in that series you can talk about.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I can't recall anyone questioning my gaming habits in the last several years. As Mustang said, gaming is a fairly common pastime these days anyway. My dad (who is not into games at all) occasionally asks what game I'm playing when he sees me doing so, but that is about as far as it goes. People think I am weird because I'm a mathematician, not because I'm a gamer. :D
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I think people think I'm weird because I play "PC" games and not console (although I do play those as well). They just don't like playing with a keyboard and mouse (for FPS's which is far easier than using a gamepad for such games). I'm trying to interest a friend into the wonders of FreeSpace Open. I have my desktop computer and my laptop networked so we could have a small LAN game, but he's just not interested in it, he's more of a console gamer and his favourite game is GTA San Andreas :ick:
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I think people think I'm weird because I lay "PC" games
Laying PC games is weird. I suggest seeing a psychiatrist. :p
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I think people think I'm weird because I lay "PC" games
Laying PC games is weird. I suggest seeing a psychiatrist. :p
Whooops, fixed! :lol:
Freud would have a lot to say about that, I mean I love my games, but that's a bit much! ;7
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PC Gamings cool now, i blame/thank i-pods.
Without those, people with no PC inclination wouldn't have got literate.
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I remember when I was in second grade, two people I knew had borrowed each other's games, and one of them said "Dude, how do I install this? That thing doesn't come up when I put the CD in." So I interjected "click on the icon "my computer", then click on your CD drive, then look for a file named SETUP." Then he shouted at me "How am I supposed to remember that? I'm not a computer geek like you!"
I almost died laughing,
In all fairness, you were in second grade. That's like seven years old. I'm surprised you knew that at that age, and understood the steps.
At that age I was loading programs into the memory of my Commodore 64 from the command prompt. (Then again, I'm something of an old 'geezer' as I still tend to play 'OLD' stuff.)
The thing that really disturbs me actually is not that 'old people' don't get it, but the fact that CP gamers are treated like 'products' to be sold, used and later discarded like a dirty whore.
....I mean I grew up with this stuff. Some of it is silly, some of it is brutish, but underneath it all, there was soul.
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Elite 2, one of my most faveourite games needs a revamp, I don't want any "go play X3 answers" part of its appeal was its simplistic nature. :)
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On the whole topic of playing PC games vs. consoles, you know how many arguments I've gotten into with console gamers about the merits of a gamepad vs. a mouse/keyboard combo, and they refuse to believe that the mouse is better (even though it obviously is). To prove my point, I need only mention how one console gamer came up to me while I was playing STALKER with the standard dot crosshair for the PC, and he mentioned how tiny that was compared to what he's used to (playing Halo 2 with that massive circle).
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I can't recall anyone questioning my gaming habits in the last several years. As Mustang said, gaming is a fairly common pastime these days anyway. My dad (who is not into games at all) occasionally asks what game I'm playing when he sees me doing so, but that is about as far as it goes. People think I am weird because I'm a mathematician, not because I'm a gamer. :D
what does a mathematician actually do to earn a living (seriously) ?
not being funny, I'm just curious what work a mathematician would do. :)
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I think people think I'm weird because I lay "PC" games
That's one small hole to fit through on the middle of the cd or dvd. Something says my wenie's stuck in a bottle by wierd al yancovich, but in a much more painful way.
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You should use the CD's at our place. They are roughly 1ยข per CD and will never shatter. I can smash it with a large hammer on the edge when it's standing up, and it will just bend!
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For me, it is when they say that gamers "do not socialize". I mean, really. What are we doing on this forum right here and now? I'd call this socializing. And most if not all of us have real-world lives alongside the time we spend on games and the internet.
"You're a gamer? And here I thought you had a life..." and comments of that nature. :mad:
When did gamers get a reputation for being people who lock themselves in a room all day and not speak to anyone? I've not heard of even one person who does that (although, at the same time, I don't doubt that there is some nut out there who does), and that seems to be in the non-gamer's mental image of us... :doubt:
I hate people's reaction when they find out I game on a regular basis... people who have known me for years will act completely shocked... it's like I have to come out of a closet for being a geek or something.
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what does a mathematician actually do to earn a living (seriously) ?
not being funny, I'm just curious what work a mathematician would do. :)
It depends on whether you're in pure or applied math, roughly speaking. There is actually no clear distinction between the two but they have somewhat different tracks in most Ph.D. programs these days. Almost everyone in pure math is a university professor who does a combination of teaching and research (publishing papers), although the latter is basically what they are hired and promoted for. Applied mathematicians have more options available with government organizations (both research institutes and military agencies), various types of engineering firms (particularly aerospace/defense contractors) and more recently also investment banks and hedge funds. The work in these places generally centers around developing numerical simulations to model some situation in real life, like the aerodynamics of a particular plane or the behavior of some bond market, and doing research related to these things.
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For one I hate certain gamers who play just FPS's and sport's game and act all high and mighty when I tell them I play mainly RTS's and RPG's.
But (un)fortunatly people think I'm weird not because I'm a gamer, but because I'm a chess player.
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Its like me, I'm terrible at stuff like FPS games online etc, and usually get bored with them pretty quick on single player, but strategy or city-builders can keep me going for hours. It's a pity very few companies seem to be prepared to put as much effort into a city-builder as they'd put into an FPS. About the only game lately I've found that's even able to give a hint of what more 'modern' city builders could do is City Life Deluxe.
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Its like me, I'm terrible at stuff like FPS games online etc, and usually get bored with them pretty quick on single player, but strategy or city-builders can keep me going for hours. It's a pity very few companies seem to be prepared to put as much effort into a city-builder as they'd put into an FPS. About the only game lately I've found that's even able to give a hint of what more 'modern' city builders could do is City Life Deluxe.
I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
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I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
...FTW!
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I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
...FTW!
I find your attitude both racist and offensive.
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I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
...FTW!
pumpin' up the postcount, that's what matters
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Well, in Civ2 they are irritating.
But you are right -err swallows pride Sorry.
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Good job, a winner is not you.
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I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
...FTW!
pumpin' up the postcount, that's what matters
This place counts posts?
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[/quote]I find your attitude both racist and offensive.
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the French are a race ?
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If the french aren't just white one day, now they are a race?
I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
This quote can be considered minorly offensive, but racist? Someone's trying to bite off more than they can chew here, and trying to bite off more than what is actually there too :lol:
Now one thing that would make most people mad is saying that white people don't have ethnicity, terribly untrue and i don't know who came up with that, but it's very untrue.
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Well, in Civ2 they are irritating.
But you are right -err swallows pride Sorry.
This quote can be considered minorly offensive, but racist? Someone's trying to bite off more than they can chew here, and trying to bite off more than what is actually there too :lol:
Now one thing that would make most people mad is saying that white people don't have ethnicity, terribly untrue and i don't know who came up with that, but it's very untrue.
Nah, just ****ing with you.
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Speaking of which i don't know who came up with the term race, race doesn't exist at all (take an anthropology class sometime). Race is a social construct and nothing else. We're all human, we're all different colors, and that's it....nothing else believe it or not :D
This brings up something else.
What i really hate is when non-gamers come up to me and mind **** me trying to say they've played a certain game that i'm playing and that they know everything about it and they just play on the certain things that come out of your mouth about that game. Until you find out they're a major bull****ter :mad:
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Speaking of which i don't know who came up with the term race, race doesn't exist at all (take an anthropology class sometime). Race is a social construct and nothing else. We're all human, we're all different colors, and that's it....nothing else believe it or not :D
Well, you're damn right :yes:
This brings up something else.
What i really hate is when non-gamers come up to me and mind **** me trying to say they've played a certain game that i'm playing and that they know everything about it and they just play on the certain things that come out of your mouth about that game. Until you find out they're a major bull****ter :mad:
I agree...I hate those people :blah:
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I still play Civ2 on occasion. I find it kinda relaxing. Plus I get to nuke the French.
...FTW!
pumpin' up the postcount, that's what matters
This place counts posts?
sssh you're ruining it
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Speaking of which i don't know who came up with the term race, race doesn't exist at all (take an anthropology class sometime). Race is a social construct and nothing else. We're all human, we're all different colors, and that's it....nothing else believe it or not :D
Well, you're damn right :yes:
:nod: --but there is such a thing as nationality...
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They do not play games!
for the guys nuking the french in civ2: Hint: Play DEFCON
For the guys complaining about nuking the french in civ2:
a) its a game!
b) a long time ago the french tested nukes, without thinking about the people and animals living at the location they did that. (Greenpeace protested against that, and that protest was the reason the french secret service blew up the rainbow warrior), so... thats what the dutch call "a cookie from own paste" (someone hurts you, you hurt him (or her (yes, now you know why the girls are afraid of me) the same way)...
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(Greenpeace protested against that, and that protest was the reason the french secret service blew up the rainbow warrior)
Good thing they did get rid of the rainbow warrior, sounds like one flamboyantly gay nuke. I bet the huge ass explosion for it was nothing but purple.
Why can't they get some manly ungay nukes with names like big boy or something, but no, rainbow warrior radioactively purple gay. Either this or they need to get some straight people to make nukes.
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Man i'm so ****ing stupid, rainbow warrior isn't a nuke, but sure is a gay name for a greenpeace ship. Maybe they could try green warrior? Sounds like the crew of the rainbow warrior got a little too comfy with their tight quarters.
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b) a long time ago the french tested nukes, without thinking about the people and animals living at the location they did that. (Greenpeace protested against that, and that protest was the reason the french secret service blew up the rainbow warrior), so... thats what the dutch call "a cookie from own paste" (someone hurts you, you hurt him (or her (yes, now you know why the girls are afraid of me) the same way)...
glad to see I didn't have to spell it out :yes:
to quotye billy connolly, maybe they had found a market for coral that glows in the dark
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(Greenpeace protested against that, and that protest was the reason the french secret service blew up the rainbow warrior)
Good thing they did get rid of the rainbow warrior, sounds like one flamboyantly gay nuke. I bet the huge ass explosion for it was nothing but purple.
Why can't they get some manly ungay nukes with names like big boy or something, but no, rainbow warrior radioactively purple gay. Either this or they need to get some straight people to make nukes.
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Man i'm so ****ing stupid, rainbow warrior isn't a nuke, but sure is a gay name for a greenpeace ship. Maybe they could try green warrior? Sounds like the crew of the rainbow warrior got a little too comfy with their tight quarters.
Yes, because who cares if some gays die? :rolleyes: Seriously, lets have less of the 'xx is gay' comments, it's offensive to gays and really doesn't manke any sense, considering there are a LOT of armies that allowed homosexuality that rampaged and murdered their way across entire continents ;)
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*Dares S-99 to call the Spartans gay*
Actually they'd probably just say "Yeah? And?" if you did.
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No i was just making a comment if rainbow warrior was the name of an actual nuke. But i found out it was a gay name for a really stupid boat. Why won't that boat die? Anyway my comment makes sense as long you know that i thought rainbow warrior was a nuke and talked some **** on that, and in the edit part of my post that i found out rainbow warrior was a boat and talked some **** on that. It's ok, i mean sometimes things really are as simple as they appear to be with no lines to read between.
At least in the movie 300 the spartans were portrayed as talking down about boy lovers. Then again boy loving was one of those things that was a part of ancient greek culture.
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What I hate is how now everyone is a "gamer" when their just playing the latest mass media released game and have no idea how it actually compares to anything else and yet they continue to tell me it's good, and that I don't know what I am talking about.
What I hate is how people compare playing games to kids/ or being a complete waste of time.
My sister has this view, we share a place, and I keep to myself when I'm home and keep a clean place but still she is moving out for 1 reason only, she doesn't wanna live in the same house as someone who plays computer games.
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No i was just making a comment if rainbow warrior was the name of an actual nuke. But i found out it was a gay name for a really stupid boat. Why won't that boat die? Anyway my comment makes sense as long you know that i thought rainbow warrior was a nuke and talked some **** on that, and in the edit part of my post that i found out rainbow warrior was a boat and talked some **** on that. It's ok, i mean sometimes things really are as simple as they appear to be with no lines to read between.
At least in the movie 300 the spartans were portrayed as talking down about boy lovers. Then again boy loving was one of those things that was a part of ancient greek culture.
Rainbow warrior is a gay name?
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*Dares S-99 to call the Spartans gay*
Actually they'd probably just say "Yeah? And?" if you did.
Halo or 300 ? ;)
If you mean 300, they do appear a little homo-erotic.... :doubt:
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Blame frank miller on that, they appear the same way in the graphic novel. I guess the rainbow warrior would be one of the spartans.
Yeah, rainbow + warrior just doesn't do it as frightening or professional sounding, it's border line flamboyant sounding.
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How about Rainbow Six?
They were pretty professional.
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Blame frank miller on that, they appear the same way in the graphic novel.
Blame Frank Miller for depicting the Spartans as gay when history is pretty certain that there were lots of them who were gay?
Yeah. It's all his fault.
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Where'd this come from, lets just go ahead and take things out of context shall we?
Blame Frank Miller for depicting the Spartans as gay when history is pretty certain that there were lots of them who were gay?
Yeah. It's all his fault.
I guess people don't read threads anymore. I was in response to this post...
Halo or 300 ? ;)
If you mean 300, they do appear a little homo-erotic.... :doubt:
What was meant by that is yes blame frank miller for making the spartans scantily clad. His movie and graphic novel is a re-imagining of what happened at the battle of thermopylae. 300 is not historically correct, rather a good deal of it is, but like i said, it's a bad ass re-imagining of what happened at that epic battle.
In real life for the greeks they don't go out into battle wearing almost nothing. Greek infantry equipment generally consists of a spear, helmet, shield, short sword, and a breast plate. And this is accurate for what the spartans did ship out with for the battle of thermopylae.
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They were still largely gay though. Which is why I mentioned them in the first place.
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I already made obvious references to the movie which is not historically correct, in 300 the spartans were portrayed as talking down about boy lovers. The other obvious thing i already pointed out also was that i do understand that it was part of ancient greek culture (spartans and all excluding the movie 300 for consideration). After that i wasn't talking about the spartans being gay either, someone else mentioned that they looked a little homo-erotic in the movie and i took that as perhaps that person was making a reference to the fact that they were muscley spartans that didn't wear much. And i mentioned something historically accurate for the equipment and armor spartans actually did wear for the battle of thermopylae.
I will mention it again, go read a history book and don't take 300 as being historically accurate, because it's not. That movie doesn't show you anything that you could use in an argument to prove that the spartans had some gays, while in contrast real history does. If you're point is only to show me that they were still largely gay by talking about frank millers movie, that wont do anything. As far as saying that i knew boy loving was one of the aspects of ancient greek culture which includes spartans. Yeah i already knew that, and i already told you the first time you mentioned the spartans.
I was talking only about rainbow warrior sounding gay, then out of no where random off topic hint at spartans. Spartans and a boat with the name rainbow warrior that i thought sounded sort of gay don't add up to talking about the same thing. I don't know where you're flying with this kara, but you are clearly talking about something else that i was not.
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Cauze they dont play games.
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How about Rainbow Six?
They were pretty professional.
"She mounted him at once"
Tom Clancy knows how to write sensuel, erotic fiction
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Cauze they dont play games.
Nope, that's not quite it:
They can't play games, that actually takes skill or thought. (It's too alien to most of them).
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replace rainbow warrior with MAFF trawler Sir William Hardy,