Earlier this month, state senators in New York approved a bill that would make rating labels on games mandatory just four days after it was introduced. Yesterday, a different gaming bill passed the state's Assembly, five days after it was introduced.
That bill, A8696, would make it a class E felony to sell or rent to minors any game that includes "depictions of depraved violence and indecent images." It would also prohibit the sale of home gaming consoles without parental restriction options and establish an advisory council to appraise the work of the Entertainment Software Rating Board.
I hate people who aren't open with their kids.
But I think that it's quite rediculus to force the stores to make sure the person who buys them are old enough
I hate people who aren't open with their kids.
Yeah, but do you show a 10 year old Platoon or Saving Private Ryan? Same goes with games--it's up to the parents, and every way that can be helped to prevent kids from going around their parents' backs is a help.
Yeah, but do you show a 10 year old Platoon or Saving Private Ryan?
So because someones careless with their kid, we all have to jump on the prohibition/censorship bandwagon to compensate?
For once I agree with you 100% nuclear1 and I'm as liberal as they come.
Despite all the inconveniences weighed on adults the children can still get guns, smokes, booze, porn, drugs, etc...
Adding another hurdle to a stores operations wont change that. What it will do is waste peoples time (and eventually alot of money) solving the wrong end of a problem.
id rather my kids (not that i ever intend to produce any more humans) see something like saving private ryan, where they can see the blood, guts, pain and suffering that comes as the consequence of war, than a movie such as (insert name of generic action flick here) where bullets kill instantly, you dont see any blood, and the gun weilding good guys are portrayed as heroes for gunning down all the bad guys. the idea is you want those kids to come out of the movie thinking "violence sucks" and not "that was cool".
For once I agree with you 100% nuclear1 and I'm as liberal as they come.
Liberal, conservative, it doesn't really mean anything. This is a common sense issue, and everyone regardless of what side of the aisle they're on should see this as a step in the right direction.
But glad to know we both see eye-to-eye on something for once. :) I'll get the insect screens up for the swarms of locusts anyway. :D
Quoteid rather my kids (not that i ever intend to produce any more humans) see something like saving private ryan, where they can see the blood, guts, pain and suffering that comes as the consequence of war, than a movie such as (insert name of generic action flick here) where bullets kill instantly, you dont see any blood, and the gun weilding good guys are portrayed as heroes for gunning down all the bad guys. the idea is you want those kids to come out of the movie thinking "violence sucks" and not "that was cool".
Interesting, because I 100% agree with you Nuke. There's a difference between SPR/Platoon and XXX/genericactionflick#49591: the exact reasons you just stated. Still, I don't know if I'd want my kids watching SPR at age 10 or so; maybe wait a few years (14/15 or so), then let them have a go at it. Just my own personal experiences working on that, I guess. :)
Which is, of course, where I agree with you on this issue: parents have to be parents.
Why not make all games with a single piece of "adult" material rated NC200? You must be over 200 years old in order to buy this game.
So you think that only theocrats have a problem with say 5 year olds watching porn then?
I'm sure everyone has problems with the notion, but we should also have issues with letting the government sit as judge and jury over whats morally acceptable content.
Ratings are not censorship, until you enforce them with law.
Once you add legal liability to this equation then its going to effect what games businesses choose to put on their shelves. If a store like walmart kicks a fuss about content, that problem is going to reach right back to the money men who pay this industries bills (and they will quickly reach into the game designers crotch area, with the obvious results :eek:).
The government won't be erasing any adult content from the market.
But if they threaten to stick a product with a bad rating, the producers will do it for them.
They still aren't automatically censorship then either.
If you set out to make an adult game then you know your market is adults. Why are you complaining about a law that restricts you to adults only?
A class E felony comes with a three year Jail sentence (and, when combined with NY's "three strikes" law, could score you life).
They're placing "unauthorized video game sale to minors" in the same category as "vehicular manslaughter of the 2nd degree"Agreed. A misdemeanor would do just fine. While I deplore selling these sorts of video games to minors, it's not really enough to warrant felony charges, is it?
But censorship in any way seems always to represent some lack of ... dealing with with issues.For the thousandth time, this isn't censorship. There's a very distinct difference between barring the selling of violent video games to minors (what the NY bill is doing) and barring the inclusion of violence or obscene content in video games or barring their creation outright (what censorship actually is).
@Nuke: Yeah thats the part I don't have much understanding about...I realize you guys have Misdemeanor and Felony and that Felony is worse but what the heck "class E" means I don't know. I'm not an American :)
I hate people who aren't open with their kids.
Yeah, but do you show a 10 year old Platoon or Saving Private Ryan? Same goes with games--it's up to the parents, and every way that can be helped to prevent kids from going around their parents' backs is a help.