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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Vasudan Commander on July 22, 2007, 04:05:36 pm
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Designed by my close friend ShadowGorrath. Designation Cn stands for Cannon. It's over 5 kilometres in length, and can kill a Sathanas in a single shot, powered by twin meson reactors. The name 'Pilum' comes from the ancient roman throwing spear.
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so it's just one big gun? nice. Does it fire a beam or a projectile?
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So, basically, it's a super-version of the Archangel dreadnought, but without the anti-fighter stuff? :p
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It fires a beam . And I never heard of any Archangel dreadnought . :p
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So it's like the Gorgon in derelict, only it's a new ship and not just a bunch of stock ones stuck together, and it's more powerful. Me likey.
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For 5KM, it's a little lacking on the detail. More elaboration on the guns and engines would be nice. IMO it'd be better suited to be smaller than 5KM, but that's just me.
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For 5KM, it's a little lacking on the detail. More elaboration on the guns and engines would be nice. IMO it'd be better suited to be smaller than 5KM, but that's just me.
Designed to take out juggernauts. Its a long range heavy beam cannon , powered by 2 meson reactors. It can take out a Sathanas with a single shot from over 50 kilometres out. It can move itself with two large engines, but it moves very slowly, and is usually warped in at its firing position. Takes a minute or two to charge up its guns.
Hey, i feed Shadow this info. ;) He's teaching me how to use wings3d at the moment lol
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Soooo, what do you use to defend this big target that has no self-defense capability?
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Wings3D Ownz.Want to see a frigate im making with it?It is this http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99514305rx2.jpg Sill WIP.Does any one have a Greek name database or something i can find Greek names?
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Soooo, what do you use to defend this big target that has no self-defense capability?
you use alpha wing , and maybe a friendly cruiser or two ;)
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Looks like the Terran version of the Gigas from INFR1.
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This ship kinda lacks detail , but what do you expect - it was a quick work . I totally made this out of one cube ( manipulated it so ) in about 10 or 15 minutes .
I made a destroyer also . It's shorter than the GTCn Pilum , but it has probably more firepower than the Colossus :p Also , it's poly numbers are over 17000 ( because of the detailed weapons ) . I'll upload a pic once I'm back home from a trip ( in one week ) , unless Vasudan Commander decides to upload it himself :P
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Soooo, what do you use to defend this big target that has no self-defense capability?
you use alpha wing , and maybe a friendly cruiser or two ;)
Just alpha wing will be enough. Remember, its alpha 1 we're talking about here.
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Can we PLEASE shut up about Alpha 1? After 1 year I've seen so many "oh may gawd Alpha 1 pawns he can take out the entire Shivan fleet aw may gawd" jokes that it gets old. Freakin badgers.
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Nice...but 5km soundsa bit too much...you really don't need it that big...look at the size of normal beam cannons.
3k is more than enough to pulverize the sath (if you calculate hte volume increase of a cannon = damage increase)
If we assume the avarge beam cannon is 100m long (and I think it's smaller) than a 3000m long one would have 30x30x30 times the volume..that's basicly 27000 times the damage... it would allready be insanely powerfull
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Ugh maths.
The Pilum looks like an experimental heavy duty mass driver. You know, those type of weapons that use opposing magnetic fields to accelerate a mass to beyond supersonic speeds? Thats what the Pilum reminds me off. Especially that long section; reminds me of a capacitator barrel for a mass driver.
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You mean a railgun, or is this different?
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The Railgun uses magnetic fields to convert electric energy into kinetic energy IIRC.
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Yea not a railgun. A mass driver.
Its an idea i'm thinking about if i ever do a mod ...
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Railgun accelerates the "bullet" between 2 long rails... A coilgun accelerates it tough several rings (coils) - but in essence they use the same principle of aceclerating a object trough magnetic fields.
Thus, you're thinking of something like a gigantic Maxim gun (alltough according to the description, the Maxium should use ammo!)
EDIT - anything that shoots an object with mass (projectile of some sorts) is in essence a mass driver - bow and arrow, ballista, musket, pistol, chaingun, railgun...
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I know, but I tend to think of mass drivers as massive, gun powder-less cannons, whose projectiles hit supersonic speeds and use mainly magnetic fields to propel their projectiles.
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By more detail, I meant on the model, as it looks really plain. What's the polycount at? It's a very cool model, but it needs more detail to be really complete as a ship.
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It fires a beam . And I never heard of any Archangel dreadnought . :p
AFAIK there are 2 Archangels... a dreadnought built around a huge kick-ass beam cannon...and a battleship with lots and lots of cannons.
I'm surprised you didn't bump inot one of them by now..they're both well known around here.
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i never heard of it either :nervous:
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i never heard of it either :nervous:
HERESY!!!! :hopping: :hopping: :hopping:
ONE:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,44267.0.html
TWO:
http://www.geocities.com/cek_83/archangel_download.html
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thats friggen cool :yes:
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And here's the Dreadnought version (done by Strattcomm, I believe):
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4525/archangeldreadnoughtgz3.jpg)
Personally, I like the dreadnought version better... probably because the battleship version played hell with a mission I was making (never did figure out why, so I dropped it). ;)
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Personally, I like the dreadnought version better... probably because the battleship version played hell with a mission I was making (never did figure out why, so I dropped it). ;)
Does that sometimes to me...I think it has something to do with all the turrets or subsystems...
but I cna't find out why..In one missions vs. 5 Saths it works OK, in another vs one sath it chrashes...go figure..
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Can we PLEASE shut up about Alpha 1? After 1 year I've seen so many "oh may gawd Alpha 1 pawns he can take out the entire Shivan fleet aw may gawd" jokes that it gets old. Freakin badgers.
Alpha 1 is only as good as the pilot behind the cockpit. ;)
I remember days of old when i used to play FS2 at a local pc bar that had it, and everyone was like, "Where the hell did that come from?" :eek2:
I take a seraphis fighter, put full power to engines, close to about 1000 metres, then fire off a trebuchet right at em (Two if they're flying a heavy assault / bomber)
KABOOM! :pimp:
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:lol: ya so many people need to know about freespace 2 these days..
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Looks like the Terran version of the Gigas from INFR1.
It sounds like a Terran version of the Apothess.
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"Agrees with Woolie"
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It also sounds wankier than the Apothess. One shot, one Sathanas kill? Ridiculous.
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"Agrees with Woolie"
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"Agrees with Woolie"
*second's that*
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Actually, you'd be thirding that since I was seconding it.
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meh. thirded then.
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It also sounds wankier than the Apothess. One shot, one Sathanas kill? Ridiculous.
Well, technicly, if a beam cannon like a LRBGreen or even a BGreen can dish out X damage, then a beam that is 100 times bigger should do 100 times more damage..In this case a lot more.
So a one-shot kill for a Sathanas sounds about right, given that according to it's size, it should be able to kill two Saths or more with one shot
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take THAT you sathy bastards!
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Well, technicly, if a beam cannon like a LRBGreen or even a BGreen can dish out X damage, then a beam that is 100 times bigger should do 100 times more damage..In this case a lot more.
So a one-shot kill for a Sathanas sounds about right, given that according to it's size, it should be able to kill two Saths or more with one shot
The Terrans couldn't make it then. It would take another 20 years, most likely a lot more.
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Well, technicly, if a beam cannon like a LRBGreen or even a BGreen can dish out X damage, then a beam that is 100 times bigger should do 100 times more damage..In this case a lot more.
So a one-shot kill for a Sathanas sounds about right, given that according to it's size, it should be able to kill two Saths or more with one shot
If the Saths were dumb enough to sit in a line. Imo if the beam was that powerful, there's no way it'd be able to track effectively. Cruiser's be able to dodge the beam pretty effectively. It'd take a while to charge up too. Plus if you need to take a period of time to set up the cannon, I can just bring in a few cruisers/corvettes behind the beam and screw it up good. Hell, bring in a full bomber squadron to hammer those reactors and its bye bye pilum.
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It'd take a while to charge up too. Plus if you need to take a period of time to set up the cannon, I can just bring in a few cruisers/corvettes behind the beam and screw it up good. Hell, bring in a full bomber squadron to hammer those reactors and its bye bye pilum.
Which is why it would obviously be guarded by other ships.
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Yea, but if i use fighter squadrons and capital ships to tie down and lure the defenders away then bring in bombers.....
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Assuming the defenders are STUPID enough to leave the gun undefended...even then, it's a BIG gun...it would take a lot to take it out
It's obviously designed to take out destroyer+ targets...you wuldn't waste it on a cruiser..that's what the 2-3 escort deystroyers are for
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No offense, but eh big "Space Gun" thing was done twice before (AFAIK). WC's Behemoth, and Gorgon in derelict. BUT if you wanno go that route more power to you.
ONLY, for such an investment in a 5km mostly immobile gun ( is it moves very slowly then tactically it doesn;t move at significantly in a conbat situation) I would have an addition section made for EXTRA engines who's only purpose is to provide movement.
Namely lots of RCS thrusters to position and re-position the gun between firings, and also jump engines on standby.
I'd count on getting ONE shot (maybe two) before it's time to bag ass and get out of the system.
The smart way to use such a weapon is to extrapolate teh enemies future position and get the gun in system BEFORE them and power down/camoflauge it. Then do a fast power up, acquire target, and blast'em.
This is a surprise weapon, it won't win you a war, but for a nice big precision boom or to bombard a slow or HUGE (maybe planetary?) target it's sweet in my book!
That's my opinion...
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Instead of one big beam, how about maybe 30 small beams arranged in concentric (? right word ?) circles, like this:
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o o o
o o o o o
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That way, you can fire only a few of them if you have a smaller target, and have more on reserve, so you could take out a ton of cruisers, boom boom boom, or fire all at once for a Destroyer+.
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It also sounds wankier than the Apothess. One shot, one Sathanas kill? Ridiculous.
Well, technicly, if a beam cannon like a LRBGreen or even a BGreen can dish out X damage, then a beam that is 100 times bigger should do 100 times more damage..In this case a lot more.
So a one-shot kill for a Sathanas sounds about right, given that according to it's size, it should be able to kill two Saths or more with one shot
By your logic, we should be able to build a tower 1,000 times the size of the new Freedom Tower in New York City (since volume increases to the cube of the dimensional increase, that would be 17,760 feet tall). But we can't built a 17,760-foot tower.
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Yet... I imagine at some point we could... but why waste the tremendous resources we'd need for that undertaking? 3 mi-high, great... now, if it was in space, we could do it a lot easier, don't have to worry about gravity or wind.
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Yes, but you have the unbelievable energy consumption of manufacture, operating the drive engines, and firing the goddamn HUGE MOTHER****ING CANNON. No one has been observed to deploy a weapon anything like this, and I don't think the GTVA has the capability to make one. A weapon like the Apothess is far more realistic.
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Honestly? Between building and utilizing this weapon and construction another Colossuss, I'd pick the Big C. It moves, has point defense, carries fighters, and can already nuke a lot of targets, even the Sath if you warp in behind.
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Can it do it without taking damage from hte sath?
The main advantage of the canon is two-fold:
1. RANGE..the sath won't have a chance to shoot.
2. Fast kill. It won't take you 15 minutes to kill it, but 15 seconds...and then you can move on to next one.
This is a far better weapon against multiple saths, ESPECIALLY for node blockade. You know exactly where the neemy wil lcome from and you can take em out from long-range as they come in.
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Can it do it without taking damage from hte sath?
The main advantage of the canon is two-fold:
1. RANGE..the sath won't have a chance to shoot.
2. Fast kill. It won't take you 15 minutes to kill it, but 15 seconds...and then you can move on to next one.
This is a far better weapon against multiple saths, ESPECIALLY for node blockade. You know exactly where the neemy wil lcome from and you can take em out from long-range as they come in.
hi,
agree.
imho its to see as a much more advance version of the mjolnir.
to defence a nod or blockade it.
but i think too, thats its too fast in the movment, imho 10m/s or 15m/s is better and maybe a little bit shorter, 5 km, i think its look to oversized.
and i hope you will add more details, i agree with the other thats more details will be cool, maybe orientate on the barrel of the morning star.
i hope you keep working on it :).
Mehrpack
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Can it do it without taking damage from hte sath?
The main advantage of the canon is two-fold:
1. RANGE..the sath won't have a chance to shoot.
2. Fast kill. It won't take you 15 minutes to kill it, but 15 seconds...and then you can move on to next one.
This is a far better weapon against multiple saths, ESPECIALLY for node blockade. You know exactly where the neemy wil lcome from and you can take em out from long-range as they come in.
Forget multiple Sathanas juggernauts, because the GTVA cannot defend more than a couple of them, period. It's not going to happen. The Apothess can hit a Sathanas from 15km away. Two Apothesses can kill a Sathanas pretty quickly, and the Sath would have to travel 7,000 meters to get in BFRed range, which could take ten minutes.
The Pilum is fanwank.
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...With Sheath Shields. :mad2:
Forgot that little part, did we?
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Lucifer shields < beam cannons.
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Forget multiple Sathanas juggernauts, because the GTVA cannot defend more than a couple of them, period. It's not going to happen. The Apothess can hit a Sathanas from 15km away. Two Apothesses can kill a Sathanas pretty quickly, and the Sath would have to travel 7,000 meters to get in BFRed range, which could take ten minutes.
The Pilum is fanwank.
Again you with the Apothesses....what is it with you and that ship? :wtf:
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So are all models being placed in the Freespace Modding board now? I thought they went in the Art board unless they were actually part of a mod.
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Forget multiple Sathanas juggernauts, because the GTVA cannot defend more than a couple of them, period. It's not going to happen. The Apothess can hit a Sathanas from 15km away. Two Apothesses can kill a Sathanas pretty quickly, and the Sath would have to travel 7,000 meters to get in BFRed range, which could take ten minutes.
The Pilum is fanwank.
Again you with the Apothesses....what is it with you and that ship? :wtf:
Besides if I hack a table file I can make a fenris kick the crap out of a sath its only that it wouldent seem logical for a fenris to do that, but still if you say the GTVA have 10 years or so then they can come up with pretty good ships, besides if i am not mistaken the colossus took out a Sath(Ok with the help of Alpha Wing) so the thing isent "if" they could have build it the question is if they want to build it since a ship like the pilum could most likely only be useful against destroyers and bigger ships while two more powerful destroyers would be able to take out a sath and supply figther and bomber cover
/Dice
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Lucifer shields < beam cannons.
OK, now imagine Sathy shields, if they existed. Now imagine Pilum shields. The reac(s) on this thing have to be frikkin' huge, and their power output equally tremendous. (It has to fire that beam cannon, right?)
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I'm back and I'm mad ! :P I've seen so much nonsense about it , I'll try to clear up as much info as possible .
I didn't base it on any other ship I've seen ;
The sheath shields are powerful and made to whitstand at least one full beam cannon pounding ( like a full 4 Sathanas beam cannon fire ) until failure - it's a new standart to terran ships larger than a corvettes ;
The 2 Meson reactors provide gigantic amounts of energy , which are enough for the main guns , sheath shields and the impulse engines ( about them later ; thanks to Vasudan Commander for the Meson reactor idea ) ;
The main guns ( namely the main , middle one ) is extremally powerful , cause it can unleash a gigantic amount of energy ( beam , but not photon/flux beam cannon based ) towards any ship up to 50 kilometers in range ;
The main cannons take 2 minutes to charge up and fire , but have a fast recoiling time to charge up again ;
It can target either big or slowly moving targets , which makes it practically impossible to fire at a cruiser ;
The Meson reactors are inside , behind big amounts of armour , which makes them almost impossible to destroy with bombers ;
I will update it and add more detail ;
The two side Ion cannons are for smaller cap-ships , or if the main gun doesn't do it's "job"
( misses , doesn't fully destroy it's target ) ;
There are no rail-guns or anything like that . Though there are coil-guns ( called as Gauss Cannons ) , which are used as anti-fighter and anti-capship turrets on ships from cruisers to destroyers and even the super-destroyer . Beam cannons are used too though . However , even the basic cruiser carries the heavy green beam cannon ;
Also note - it's made 57 years after Capellan era ( after FS2 story ) and based on a new story I'm making for the Freespace universe . No rumors about it yet :p
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I thought it was cool...... :blah:
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What was cool ?
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The bigass gun....
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Oh well , I'll be adding more detail to it anyway . Someday when I'm not lazy ...
Does anyone want to see another ship I made ? The destroyer with 17000 polygons ?
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Ok i want to.*Raises hand*
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There's one big problem with your specs: shields don't work against beam cannons. That's why the GTVA was so confident about the Colossus being able to destroy Lucifer-class ships.
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There's one big problem with your specs: shields don't work against beam cannons
It's based on what ? Or maybe I just didn't notice that :p But these shields are so much more powerful than the ones the Lucifer had , that these sheath shields work even against Sathanas class warships . P.S. The design is directly from Earth . :P
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There's one big problem with your specs: shields don't work against beam cannons. That's why the GTVA was so confident about the Colossus being able to destroy Lucifer-class ships.
Sheath Shields & fighter/bomber shields = apples & oranges. They are completely different. I will provide proof if you wish me to. :mad2:
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I do .
As I said - the sheath shields my ships use are much more powerful than even the ones the SSD Lucifer had .
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Terran and Vasudan fighters and cruisers engaged the Lucifer, but were wiped out quickly. Footage suggests that the Lucifer was using a new type of shield, impervious to any of our attacks. Needless to say, this is grim news. If the Shivans indeed have managed to shield a vessel of that magnitude, it's merely a matter of time before they wipe out all front-line installations and march through to our home systems.
Intelligence doesn't know how the Shivans tracked the Taranis escort, but they've got a team of engineers trying to figure it out. They are also analyzing the shield system on the Lucifer. Unlike the shields on the Shivan fighters and bombers, this shield appears impervious, not merely resistant, to all of our weapons.
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Terran and Vasudan fighters and cruisers engaged the Lucifer, but were wiped out quickly. Footage suggests that the Lucifer was using a new type of shield, impervious to any of our attacks. Needless to say, this is grim news. If the Shivans indeed have managed to shield a vessel of that magnitude, it's merely a matter of time before they wipe out all front-line installations and march through to our home systems.
Intelligence doesn't know how the Shivans tracked the Taranis escort, but they've got a team of engineers trying to figure it out. They are also analyzing the shield system on the Lucifer. Unlike the shields on the Shivan fighters and bombers, this shield appears impervious, not merely resistant, to all of our weapons.
Those quotes merely state that those shields are impervious to any weapons the GTA had. Which, if they were capital ship grade shields, they certainly would have been. Blob turrets are too weak, and bombs don't penetrate shields. If you have 200,000 shield hitpoints, bombs and blobs won't do a damn thing. Also, there's the fact that both kinds of shields fail in subspace. The Lucifer was impervious because the GTA didn't have the weapons to penetrate it. Beam cannons cut through shields as if they weren't there. Shielding a capital ship was and probably is impossible for the Terrans and Vasudans in FS2, and with beam cannons, it's futile as well.
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Im designing a turret thats like the mjolnir, but bigger, and kinda looks looks like the barrel of a 6 shooter revolver. It has 6 cylinders jutting out from it with a dampener covering them, and a large glowing reactor at the back.
So when it shoots, it can opt to fire each beam cannon in a cycle, or all of them at once for a massive pulverising on any poor ship that gets in the way. :lol: Also has 2 anti fighter beams, 1 on the top, one on the underside.
Expect pics soon.
p.s, i gave Shadow the idea for the name of the cannon. The Pilum is a long spear that ancient roman legionaires used in battle. When thrown, if it hit the target, it was almost always fatal. It went through most shields as well, skewering shield and enemy alike.
fitting for the ship. ;)
pps, while we're on the topic of shields, i might mention that my campaign will feature smaller warships, cruiser and gunship class, having shields.
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*Expects pics soon*
While on topic about shields : why do you think that there's only 1 type of sheath shields that aren't working against beam cannons ? I said myself that these shields are the super-powered version of the sheath shields the Lucifer had . This model came directly from Earth , developed from the Lucifer's debris there for almost 80 years since the Great War . These sheath shields can whitstand a 4 full Sathanas beam fire upon it .
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And, may I point out, beams piercing shields is I believe just a FRED device to get the desired effect: if you're hit by a beam cannon, you're swatted like a fly. But they should have had stronger beams, and stronger cap ships, and stronger anti-capship weapons instead... but they took the easy way out.