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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: redsniper on July 29, 2007, 02:21:22 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M5F2Yr0NEw
I'm sure opinions on this will be... varied, but I'm stoked personally. :cool:
You're not allowed to ask what this is if you don't check google and wikipedia first.
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dead horse, meet stick
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Janos' ass, meet my size 18 boot.
Totally ****ing psyched. Ach, September is too long to wait. Not to mention we have to wait until the second release in 2008 to see Unit 02. Still, eagerly anticipating this one.
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Meh...Evangellion is overrated. :doubt:
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Could someone give me a break down of what this actually is?
I mean is it the same Evangelion story / sounds / voice acting etc. but with completely revamped visuals? Or is it a complete re-vamp of the whole thing? Or something else?
From the trailer, the visuals look really very special indeed. I always meant to get hold of Evangelion on DVD - I think now I'll hold out for this updated release if it's as good as it looks! An English dub/sub would be welcome mind you...
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From what i've read, it seems like it will include the same basic story of the series told in a slightly different fashion, augmented with additional scenes and alterations to what was seen in the series including new characters and designs. Visually, it'll include some shot-for-shot reproductions - demonstrated in the trailer - on top of the new stuff, and be completely modernized.
Obviously there's going to be some significant changes given the cinema format, and the fourth movie of the tetralogy will apparently be an entirely new conclusion. Given the differences, it'd probably be better to pick up both (if you're into that) rather than one or the other.
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Meh...Evangellion is overrated. :doubt:
Janos' + TrashMan's ass, meet my size 18 boot.
Fixed.
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Janos' ass, meet my size 18 boot.
Totally ****ing psyched. Ach, September is too long to wait. Not to mention we have to wait until the second release in 2008 to see Unit 02. Still, eagerly anticipating this one.
NGE already has like 3 endings and Shinji is a faggot in every single one of them
This sounds like an attempt to cash in money from anime crowd
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Meh...Evangellion is overrated. :doubt:
Janos' + TrashMan's ass, meet my size 18 boot.
Fixed.
Meet my Morningstar of Eternal Pain + 231/2
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Ah. I've watched bits of this on TV at work... interesting. But I did have a few "Oh, you idiot!" moments... I just forget where. Who is Shinji in the story? Is it the boss-girl from the command center? Yeah, I thought she was a little twit, too at times. Or is it someone else?
@Spammers: Shut up & post your opinion; let others do the same.
@Counter-Spammers: See above.
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Shinji is the generic looking anime kid. He's not supposed to be liked.
To Kal: AFAIK this is an entirely knew production, not just a rerelease or something like that.
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Any chance of posting a picture?
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Any chance of using Google?
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But I'm laaaazy!!
:p :p (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6b/Eva027.jpg/200px-Eva027.jpg) :p :p
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Antisocial personality disorder, FTW!!!
But really, I hated how everyone was pretty much insane.
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Any chance that Shinji isn't flamingly emo in this version?
No?
Wonderful.
(Also, Anno needs to wake up and get a swift kick in the ego. When these films were announced, he made the following quote: "However, over the past 12 years, there has been no anime newer than Eva." :rolleyes:)
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so, they are going to try and give this show ANOTHER ending?
what is that like the sixth time they've gone, 'ok, no... eh... actualy it was like THIS!' /*insert freidian collage here*/
weren't there like riots when they showed the first ending? they should have left well enough alone.
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Wasn't a big fan of Eva. I saw about 10 episodes of it and ended up getting super pissed at the characters for doing the most retarded thing - especially the absolute pussy that was Shinji. Meh.
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The real substance of the series, UT, was about Shinji's existential climb out of self hatred and self denial. Both Anno (ze writer/director) and Sartre (who just oozes over the second half of the series, especially episode 16 and the ending) were inclined to theatrics, and Shinji isn't any worse then the characters found in No Exit. If you had stuck with it you would have seen his character criticized in detail; he tries to deny his freedom to make choices by calling himself a coward and rendering himself helpless, so others have to choose for him, because he's terrified of being responsable for his actions; a walking example of bad faith. And his character does go somewhere. Admittedly it's not until the ending (when Anno finally does the right thing and throws out the nonsensical main plot) that these issues are fully presented, and then, then you see Shinji beginning to shift and change and learn. If you're not into existentialism or whatnot, then fine, but the series is about much more then "Shinji is an emo wuss".
The biggest question I have after seeing this trailer though, is are they going to make the plot make sense? And would be a good or bad thing? If it is better, then it might just draw attention away from the elements I just discussed above.
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Umm, if you read the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelion), it states that the director suffered from clinical depression himself, which he recovered from before writing this.
Hideaki Anno, the director of the anime series, had suffered from clinical depression prior to creating the series, and the psychological aspects of the show are based on the director's own experiences with overcoming this illness
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Alright, I'm not asking for any links since it's against forum policy, I just want a "yes" or a "no".
Has this been fansubbed yet?
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so, they are going to try and give this show ANOTHER ending?
what is that like the sixth time they've gone, 'ok, no... eh... actualy it was like THIS!' /*insert freidian collage here*/
weren't there like riots when they showed the first ending? they should have left well enough alone.
I've yet to see an ending of Evangelion that doesn't suck. IMHO, it would have been better if they left it without ending at all than to make that abortion of sanity.
It was a fun show, some good fight, some good laughs tough. But I still think it's overrated.
Now back to buissnes...wasn't thins a old thread? And.. I havn't got a clue. There's a few EVA fans on this forum, they might know.
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/me facepalms
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Alright, I'm not asking for any links since it's against forum policy, I just want a "yes" or a "no".
Has this been fansubbed yet?
No.
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US Release date February 22!
For great justice!
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Release all ZIG?
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The real substance of the series, UT, was about Shinji's existential climb out of self hatred and self denial. Both Anno (ze writer/director) and Sartre (who just oozes over the second half of the series, especially episode 16 and the ending) were inclined to theatrics, and Shinji isn't any worse then the characters found in No Exit. If you had stuck with it you would have seen his character criticized in detail; he tries to deny his freedom to make choices by calling himself a coward and rendering himself helpless, so others have to choose for him, because he's terrified of being responsable for his actions; a walking example of bad faith. And his character does go somewhere. Admittedly it's not until the ending (when Anno finally does the right thing and throws out the nonsensical main plot) that these issues are fully presented, and then, then you see Shinji beginning to shift and change and learn. If you're not into existentialism or whatnot, then fine, but the series is about much more then "Shinji is an emo wuss".
The biggest question I have after seeing this trailer though, is are they going to make the plot make sense? And would be a good or bad thing? If it is better, then it might just draw attention away from the elements I just discussed above.
:eek2:
Wow, some one who actually gave some thought to the show and went beyond the "Shinji is an emo wuss" comment, that is rare.
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I'm an old fan (saw it back in 'teh golden age of fansubs' in '97).
Yes, Shinji can be petty pathetic; and very hard to put up with...
...but I think he's still better than 99% of the action/comic/super heroes out there.
He's just a kid, who has his balls kicked all the time.
WARNING - SPOILERS - WARNING
1. Hey, maybe I can gain my father's love this way! - Gendo doesn't (...is too afraid to?) give ****. Bugger.
2. Hey, I'm living with a beautiful chick! Misato is an alcoholic still obsessed with a father complex + disgusted over her infatuation with her boyfriend. On top of this, she's a slob, and can't stop joking/lolling for a moment. Bugger.
3. Hey, my fellow pilot is a very shapely chick! She has the personality of a slab of brick, with the sensitivity to boot. Later on when I finally make a connection I find out, that she's some weird clone of my mother and can be replaced with another clone any time. Bugger.
4. Hey, I live with another cute chick! Only, she's an egomaniac, and can't stop belittling and taunting me. Our romance consisted of her frenching me while holding my nose. Sex was me jerking off on her comatose body. Bugger.
5. Hey, I had a nice mother, she must have loved me! She did, and as good mother was willingly absorbes into a biomechanical monstrosity, so when I'm inside it and getting my guts meta-physically (which hurts all the same!!) ripped out, she can go ape**** crazzy and go berserk and give me enough live-horror-show experience (with dripping blood, guts and 'al) to last me a lifetime. Bugger.
6. Hey, I've found my purpose. I can protect mankind! No, as it turns out I only do this to seek the attention and approval of others. I can't do **** right. Oh, and I've just gone to 'la-la land to find this out. (Ep 13) Bugger.
7. Hey! ....repeatedly! This time, I was in there for a whole month. Go me. (Ep 14-15) Bugger.
8. Hey! I've just found a guy who really understands me, and can connect with (am I gay?). What?! He's an angel! ...and HE asks me to kill him?!? Bugger!
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**** watching a fansub of Rebuild, i'll just wait for the excellent-as-usual dub to come out. No way am I going to try downloading another one after the hackjob Fullmetal Alchemist movie fansub.
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Umm, if you read the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelion), it states that the director suffered from clinical depression himself, which he recovered from before writing this. Hideaki Anno, the director of the anime series, had suffered from clinical depression prior to creating the series, and the psychological aspects of the show are based on the director's own experiences with overcoming this illness
Alright, I'm not asking for any links since it's against forum policy, I just want a "yes" or a "no".
Has this been fansubbed yet?
Oh my word....
:necro:
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Thanks so much for that valued addition to the thread.
Tool. :doubt:
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Same... except, perhaps, we could replace the t with an f ? :rolleyes:
If you wanna get nasty, take it to PMs. At least then I can add you to the ignore list.
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**** watching a fansub of Rebuild, i'll just wait for the excellent-as-usual dub to come out. No way am I going to try downloading another one after the hackjob Fullmetal Alchemist movie fansub.
You know that most of the time dubs tend to be even worse, right?
Back on topic: it hasn't been fansubbed yet, but I saw the RAW; and it looks promising. The direction is a lot more faced-paced and dead-on-target. If they can keep this up and introduce smg. new as they promise to do so - and finally give it an ending that can incorporate the message into a coherent storyline - then I think it would finally restore (or achieve) the glory the story should have taken in the first place.
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You know that most of the time dubs tend to be even worse, right?
Oh, there's no doubt about that. However, considering the likelihood that they'll get most if not all of the English cast back for the Rebuild, this one should be good. Evangelion was one of those rare cases where the dub fits almost perfectly, and while I do agree that subs (proper subs) are the better option 90% of the time, I prefer the nostalgic feeling i'll get from watching it in English like I did oh-so-many years ago.
Totally agree on the hope for a little more coherency in ending this time. I'm all for post-modernism and interpretive writing, but the last 20 minutes or so of End of Evangelion was just plain wacky. Hey, that gives me an idea: Maybe this time round we'll find out what Gendo actually said.
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What did you expect? This was made by a man with a psychotic breakdown.
Sense? Meaning? I can find more of that in that rotten cucumber over there!
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Recieved some complaints about this thread...not sure why anyone would necro it, but it's up and people seem to be discussing things. Just no flames, or it will be locked.
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It's my own thread and I bumped it with a question still pertinent to the original topic. It's not necroed because it never died; it just went to sleep when the movie came out and now I'm waking it up to continue the discussion.
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What did you expect? This was made by a man with a psychotic breakdown.
Sense? Meaning? I can find more of that in that rotten cucumber over there!
:doubt: You're a very 'sensitive' and 'emphatic' Trashman. :doubt:
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The biggest question I have after seeing this trailer though, is are they going to make the plot make sense? And would be a good or bad thing? If it is better, then it might just draw attention away from the elements I just discussed above.
that would be a truly bad thing, since Evangelion was... well, pretty much the only thing i've ever actually seen and was... actually touched by it and changed by it. its one of those extremely rare pieces of fiction that make you draw your own conclusions and not force you into their own conclusions.
yes, its gloomy and yes, shinji is such a wuss that its even hard to look at him and not cringe or twitch, however, it makes you think. if you're willing to think about it all, but in that case i advise you to excersise caution and try not to think too much about it.
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It's a bunch of psycho crap if you ask me.
I like books/movies that makes you think too (occasionally) but the questions I should be asking should not be of the "WTF was that all about" nature.
Evangelion wasn't even supposed to be about angels, demon, giant organic robots, alien attacks and superpowers - that was all added since no one would pay for it's original idea (the last episode)
If that's the only thing that ever made you think..I actually feel sorry for you. :lol:
I likes books/movies that turn out to be a emotional investment (you really start to love/hate the characters and when it's over you feel numb)
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Evangelion is either the best anime ever or psycho head**** nonsense. I think the reason people are so divided on the issue is because it's so disconnected from reality and human nature that this grates on a lot of people who aren't depressive teenagers (i.e. Japanese, or a fair chunk of the western anime crowd). To me it's trite and boring, a plot so riddled with deus ex machina plot devices and emotional melodrama that there's no time for a deep story. Rip out the scenes between the giant monsters fighting each other and it'd be a laugh. But for me it's a mirthless emo wankfest with a cast consisting entirely of abused/weak-willed/unloved emotional wrecks and that does nothing for me.
Ahh, that feels better to say out loud. :)
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when you're one of those nerve-wrecks, trust me, it works in you in different ways then when you're somewhat normal.
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Evangelion is either the best anime ever or psycho head**** nonsense.
And everything in between too.
Just because I don't worship it like it's the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean I hate or think it's crap. Overall it was a nice show (with the last 2 episodes being total crap).
But best anime ever? :wtf:
If that's true, then I'm smarter than Einstein, Newton and Tesla combined... and I'm not.
I watched other animes that made you think and were far better (example: Kenshin the movie, GITS)
I watched other anime that made me totally numb and sad&happy when it was over (VoE, Macross) - something Evangelion never did for me
But I do admit it was quite funny in the beginning. I still remember that episode when he and the readhead messed up and the debriefing :lol:
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Eva fell apart for me long before Shinji started to grate, in the lunacy of the EVA units themselves.
In a greater sense though, I feel a certain contempt for Shinji and the crew. They think they have it ****ty in their everyday lives. (****, the only thing that holds them together at times, I think, is their time in the EVAs; powertripping for those who think themselves powerless.). But the problems are comparable to ones that a lot of people go through.
They grated at a level deeper than most of you, I think. Oh-woe-is-me I can understand. Fatalism, of a sort, I can understand. Giving up, not even making the attempt, I cannot. I do not want to. Even at my absolute worst, when there seemed no point to it anymore, I got up and I kept going because that was the only option that made any sense to me. Shinji and the crew abandoned hope while they could still breathe; but that is not an attitude I wish to comprehend.
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Eva fell apart for me long before Shinji started to grate, in the lunacy of the EVA units themselves.
In a greater sense though, I feel a certain contempt for Shinji and the crew. They think they have it ****ty in their everyday lives. (****, the only thing that holds them together at times, I think, is their time in the EVAs; powertripping for those who think themselves powerless.). But the problems are comparable to ones that a lot of people go through.
They grated at a level deeper than most of you, I think. Oh-woe-is-me I can understand. Fatalism, of a sort, I can understand. Giving up, not even making the attempt, I cannot. I do not want to. Even at my absolute worst, when there seemed no point to it anymore, I got up and I kept going because that was the only option that made any sense to me. Shinji and the crew abandoned hope while they could still breathe; but that is not an attitude I wish to comprehend.
What you said is pretty ironic considering that during some of the psychoanalysis episodes those exact same criticisms were leveled at Shinji, Misato, and Asuka. Of course their hopelessness was ultimately unjustified; that was the whole ****ing point of the entire series, the only thing Anno was really interested in. That's why he threw out the entire plot in the last two episodes and spent the next 48 minutes of footage showing those three overcoming the crippling beliefs about themselves they had developed as a result of the damage that was done to them in their childhood.
It's because we've been repeatedly told to ignore the last two episodes that all we saw was fatalism and hopelessness. Anno was angry because so many people criticized the ending as not resolving anything; he thought the original ending to Eva was perfect. And you know what? He was right.
25 was about facing the illusions the protagonists constructed as a way of avoiding dealing with the fact that they thought themselves worthless; 26 was about them facing that fact and realizing that that belief is wrong. What do you think the last scene was about? The image of the empty stage where Shinji has resided cracks and breaks apart, revealing a scene outside in the daylight where the rest of cast congratulate him and he *gasp* smiles - and we're talking about a real smile here - and thanks them. It's an honest to god happy ending.
So, please, if you want to criticize Eva, then there are a lot of things you can criticize, but don't claim that it just indulged Shinji's wallowing. Because it's not true.
And on the subject of this remake, I'm optimistic, cause now they might go back and try to make the rest of the series makes sense this time.
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What you said is pretty ironic considering that during some of the psychoanalysis episodes those exact same criticisms were leveled at Shinji, Misato, and Asuka. Of course their hopelessness was ultimately unjustified; that was the whole ****ing point of the entire series, the only thing Anno was really interested in.
You're not listening.
I don't care about whether it's justified. I don't want to understand it. The ending, sure, fine, whatever. I don't care. It's too late. I'll never be able to understand Shinji or identify with him because he could take on or even merely understand that attitude. The damage was already done.
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26 was about them facing that fact and realizing that that belief is wrong. What do you think the last scene was about? The image of the empty stage where Shinji has resided cracks and breaks apart, revealing a scene outside in the daylight where the rest of cast congratulate him and he *gasp* smiles - and we're talking about a real smile here - and thanks them. It's an honest to god happy ending.
Uhhh, no that was human instrumentality. :p
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Eva fell apart for me long before Shinji started to grate, in the lunacy of the EVA units themselves.
I like Eva, but I really can see where most of the criticisms of it comes from. Shinji pretty much grows, then regresses as the series goes on (He did seem fairly normal between episodes 5-10, if rather socially inept, then **** hits the fan and the rest his history), and Spike Spencer's rendition of Shinji is ****ing grating. Seriously, he sounds like his balls got blown off by a M1911 most of the time, and this isn't even getting into everybody else. (Gendo being more screwed in the head than a skull-****ed corpse.)
26 was about them facing that fact and realizing that that belief is wrong. What do you think the last scene was about? The image of the empty stage where Shinji has resided cracks and breaks apart, revealing a scene outside in the daylight where the rest of cast congratulate him and he *gasp* smiles - and we're talking about a real smile here - and thanks them. It's an honest to god happy ending.
Uhhh, no that was human instrumentality. :p
He's right. In the series ending, Shinji gets duped and accepts instrumentality, whereas the movie ret-conned this out where Shinji rejects instrumentality. The series ending and the movie simply cannot run concurrently, given what we know of the timeline.
EDIT: I should note that I am talking to Mr. Vega mostly in that paragraph, and largely agreeing with Snail.
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Out of curiosity, did anyone here think Instrumentality was a good idea? It never really sat well with me; I think individuality is the way to go. :yes:
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Out of curiosity, did anyone here think Instrumentality was a good idea? It never really sat well with me; I think individuality is the way to go. :yes:
Individuality is all well and good, but the feeling of being alone that comes hand-in-hand can be a total downer sometimes. Honestly, I would like the idea of being a part of a gooey, coalescing consciousness containing the entirety of the human race. Borg style!
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Mass murder on a planet-scale?
The masterminds of the Individuality project make Hitler and Stalin look like angels.
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Well, one of them is suspected to be Cain...
And it all lies upon your definition of murder really. Their "lives" continued, just not in a way that is recognizable to most people.
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Consider the "remorseless, treacherous, lecherous, kindless villain(s)" that seem to form the bulk of humanity. The thought of merging and being subsumed by that morass is enough to leave me nauseated. An individual can choose to be better than that. I have zero confidence that humanity as a whole ever will.
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Well, one of them is suspected to be Cain...
And it all lies upon your definition of murder really. Their "lives" continued, just not in a way that is recognizable to most people.
"That poor child has lost it's father and it's now suffering. I shall release it from it's mortal coil and make her a pure spirit. She will suffer no more."
no, that ain't murder, aint' it?
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Mass murder on a planet-scale?
The masterminds of the Individuality project make Hitler and Stalin look like angels.
Technically speaking, no, it doesn't so much kill them as it does transfer them to a different area of existance. I agree though that it is a wholly reprehensible act, espcially given that (Spoilers, but anybody's who reading the thread should know that there's spoilers anyway.) Gendou pretty much threw the remainder of humanity (3+ billion left) under the bus in order to just be with his wife.
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Well, one of them is suspected to be Cain...
And it all lies upon your definition of murder really. Their "lives" continued, just not in a way that is recognizable to most people.
"That poor child has lost it's father and it's now suffering. I shall release it from it's mortal coil and make her a pure spirit. She will suffer no more."
no, that ain't murder, aint' it?
Just out of curiosity, where is that quote from? I don't recall hearing that.
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It's not a direct quite, but some misguided guy said that in Knights of the Zodiac (right after throwing a girl into a volcano and shortly before being turned into goo by one of hte good guys)