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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 02:39:02 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
Watch that animation closely. Does it not remind you of something? ;)
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Who says we need tachyons for beam cannons? Strictly speaking, all we have to do is wait for the Large Hadron Collider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) to become operational in 2008, then direct its particle stream at something. Voila, beam cannon. Think it's not powerful enough to do damage? Think again:
the beam dump must absorb an energy equivalent to a typical air-dropped bomb
Whatever you may think of CERN (I personally think the whole organization is amazing. The work they do boggles the mind. Basically there is not one person on this forum who isn't affected by what they've done), they sure know how to build big :D
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My physics teacher is one of the project heads there... He showed us some mind bogling stuff...quantum theroy...it's nuts :lol:
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quantum theory = the process of making science fiction into science fact.
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Quantum theory = turning your brian into pudding.
And that's coming from me (aced physics by said profesor). Things just keep getting more and more complicated and, dare I say, unlogily logical in it's lack of logic! :lol:
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Quantum theory = turning your brian into pudding.
And that's coming from me (aced physics by said profesor). Things just keep getting more and more complicated and, dare I say, unlogily logical in it's lack of logic! :lol:
I hear that ! :rolleyes: *eats more brain beans*
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hi,
wasnt hawkings they had say: if anybody say he had understood the Quantum theory, he dont understood it. ???
i dont see a chance to use they for a partical energy weapon, they cannot interact with normal matter and they doesnt have a effect on it.
Mehrpack
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Quantum theory = turning your brian into pudding.
And that's coming from me (aced physics by said profesor). Things just keep getting more and more complicated and, dare I say, unlogily logical in it's lack of logic! :lol:
Fried your brain so bad you spell it "brian" now =P
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Now thats some serious brain-frying ! :snipe:
serious though, quantam theory, relativity and the like can really do your head in. It makes you wonder at the genius of all those scientists and theorists who created all these ideas and scientific theories.
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serious though, quantam theory, relativity and the like can really do your head in. It makes you wonder at the genius of all those scientists and theorists who created all these ideas and scientific theories.
Well, it's not so much the actual theories that are confusing as the consequences of them.
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I have no clue what you people are talking about.
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I dunno...the quantum theroy feels wrong to me..like there's something missing...it makes SOME sense but then again it makes far more nonsese...
Alltough the alternative theories aren't that better.. The theory of hte hidden variable might account for something, but it was 2"upposedly" proven wrong...And I looked at the so-called "proof" and went "What??? That makes no sense whatsoever"
Go figure...yeah..it's some wierd stuff..
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So bascicly much of the modern day thories start from beans that turn into fired bacon if you look at it the right way???
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According to quantum theory there's a small chance I could fall through my floor at any moment.
It's definitely weird.
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*begins jumping on floor*
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:rolleyes: Chances are even greater that, if you did start falling through the floor, you'd stop halfway, so don't worry... just wear a cup! XD
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Now that is scary stuff. Yo science dudes enough with all these theories.......youre scariyng me to death here!
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Well, science is reaching the "practical" limit - as in, theories that you can actually see the effects of in nature, make tests and experiments and are "natural" to explain
The theories get more and more complex involving n dimensions, casualities and probablilites...and from there on it's insanityville..things that the human ming cannot REALLY graps or visualise...
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I'd be careful with such statements, they have been made before at the end of the 19th century/start of the 20th century by respected scientists.
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That is no way a beam (animation), that is just like a blob firing from the turret (but it reminds me of TT and THT).
I promise you, so far our best attempts with beams is lasers. Anti-fighter beams looks like lasers.
It would take time before we have the Green/Vasudan pretty beams.
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I think blob turrets and so called 'lasers' are highly compressed gases. It says so anyway.
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if the tech continues to advance at the current level and increase in the future thanx to improved computers etc then we may have some sort of blob turrets faster the in FS! by the end of the 21th century we may find ourselvs having some sort of blob turrets or theyr equivalent!
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I'd be careful with such statements, they have been made before at the end of the 19th century/start of the 20th century by respected scientists.
Meh..I know I'm right...If fact, I heard a lot of respected scientists say that...
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if the tech continues to advance at the current level and increase in the future thanx to improved computers etc then we may have some sort of blob turrets faster the in FS! by the end of the 21th century we may find ourselvs having some sort of blob turrets or theyr equivalent!
As Trashman says, science is not magic, it can't do EVERYTHING.
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they already have beam weapons, but the beam is an invisble heat ray that can eaither make a tank an inferno or fry your insides with a side of extreme pain.
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Sweet. They've used it in Iraq, haven't they?
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yes, and on anti-war/pro-life/no-more-bush protesters. :sigh:
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Ironicly it is they who wanted a non-leathel weapon.... :blah:
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they have an advanced version that just ries stuff instantly, and it doesent fire a "cone". add a stream of gas and you can see it :eek2:
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doesn't a flamethrower have a similar effect? :D
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yeah, but its not as focused+long range, and it doesent boil peoples insides no matter how much metal they're behind.
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well we already have some sort of beam tech developed. So why do you believe that another century or so of research and development wont be able to produce something similar at least to the blob turrets we see in FS and perhaps something similar altough not necesaryli as powerfull as a beam cannon from FS?
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they would be idiots for making blob turrets. they are weak, inneficent, and you can throw a rock at the slow moving shot and negate it (why didnt the GTVA use rock to block shivan fire?).
think about it, our beam tech doent have warmup, or fire-wait (but there is somewhat of a warmdown). you can just hold down the triggger until it either overheats or runs out of energy. hell, if the shivans came now, we'd whoop blue & black bootie.
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think about it, our beam tech doent have warmup, or fire-wait (but there is somewhat of a warmdown). you can just hold down the triggger until it either overheats or runs out of energy. hell, if the shivans came now, we'd whoop blue & black bootie.
Exactly what gave you that idea?
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/me was wondering the same thing.
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reality :lol:
and that shields are most likely a magnectic field that counteracts the GTVA weapons tech, but loses energy in the proccess. since it didnt block ships (hunks of metal), then it wouldnt block bullets!
but how it blocked missles is beyond me...probably just game balance.
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Technicly, a shield would only be able to block differnt types of energy (and you'd need a shield layer for each energy type). Not solid matter.
but hey, it's Sci-Fi! :p
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Isn't matter just a different form of energy?
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energy dosent form up into atoms, it just stays at particles (true energy. not as in gas and coal). so i guess its more of a deviated energy.
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Sweet. They've used it in Iraq, haven't they?
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/23
:lol:
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Isn't matter just a different form of energy?
erm...well...not really...
energy is pretty much electrons and ions..heat...
matter is pretty much protons and neutrons and electrons..
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and quarks...and a few other subatomic particles i forgot the names of.
but still, why block missles and not ships?
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and mesons.. don't forget the mesons!
Oh, and IIRC, watch your shields when you collide, I think running into another ship just overloads them & they blink out for a sec in that quadrant...
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Who ever said it makes sense :confused:...but granted a collision with a massive object at great speeds does include a lot of kinetic energy....
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gotta hate that bounce...
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Isn't matter just a different form of energy?
erm...well...not really...
energy is pretty much electrons and ions..heat...
matter is pretty much protons and neutrons and electrons..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
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Wowzers....
Einstein performed his calculations using the CGS measurement system (centimeters, grams, seconds, dynes, and ergs). His formula works just as well using today’s SI system (with E in joules, m in kg, and c in meters per second). Using SI units, E=mc2 is calculated as follows:
E = (1 kg) × (299,792,458 m/s)2 = 89,875,517,873,681,764 J (≈90 × 1015 Joules)
Accordingly, one gram of mass — the mass of a U.S. dollar bill — is equivalent to the following amounts of energy:
≡ 89,875,517,873,681.764 J (≈90 terajoules), precisely by definition
≡ 24,965,421.631 578 267 777… kilowatt-hours (≈25 GW-hours)
= 21,466,398,651,400.058 278 398 777 1090 calories (≈21 Tcal) [1]
= 21.466 398 651 400 058 278 398 777 1090 kilotons of TNT-equivalent energy (≈21 kt) [1]
= 85,185,554,537.701 118 960 880 666 4808 BTUs (≈85 billion BTUs) [1]
Any time energy is generated, the process can be evaluated from an E=mc2 perspective. For instance, the "Gadget"-style bomb used in the Trinity test and the bombing of Nagasaki had an explosive yield equivalent to 21 kt of TNT. About 1 kg of the approximately 6.15 kg of plutonium in each of these bombs fissioned into lighter elements totaling almost exactly one gram less, after cooling (the heat, light and radiation in this case carried the missing gram of mass).[2] This occurs because nuclear binding energy is released whenever elements with more than 62 nucleons fission.
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:eek2:
my brain...its expanding too fast
*pop*
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What's VC obsession with tachyons?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
Ah yeas, mass can be converted to energy (AFAIK, not 100% of it) but that doesn't mean that mass is the same thing as energy - tehy have different properties, no? ;)
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We have had some small success with changing energy to mass... in near-lightspeed collisions, we have the ability to observe the formation of ultra-large elements from the debris of the collision. True, it lasts for about a nanosecond, but it still forms but then collapses.
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E=mc2
Not E~mc2
:p
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that gives me an idea on how to educate the youngsters on HLP!
FSmath:
~k = ~shift K(10)
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Hmm. Accurate.
EDIT: Actually, isn't it ~K(10)=~+Shift+K?
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i dunno, lemme check the code.
~k = 100000000 (needs factchecking, i cant read code that well) damage
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I thought ~K was less than ~ShiftK
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shift-k always does excactly 10 percent damage. it depends on how many hits the ships has. example: a sathanas is just dented, a gigas is hardly scratched.
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And energy is mass.
If you know relativity, you know that mass is just frozen energy.
They are one and the same.
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Not REALLY...mass can be converted to energy but that doesn't mean it's the same...mass has completely different properties.
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Yo science dudes give it a rest my head ghas grown by 3 sizes just by reading some of your posts...! Lets get back to the posibilaty of blowing stuff up big time ! In other words someone build me a god damn freaking beam cannon for......err........personal usage such as gardening home wreck....building....building streets carving up mountains for the hell of it.....sculpting my face on the side of everest ina gigantic 100x100 m fabulous portrait so that people can say i'm an alien or the big man himself! :D :P
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Not REALLY...mass can be converted to energy but that doesn't mean it's the same...mass has completely different properties.
hi,
and the best converter that we know is a black hole, but it convert only 40% of the mass in energy.
@alpha: heh i want shields, phaser and antimatter torpedos for my car :mad2: :D
Mehrpack
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you forgot warp engines or better yet traswarp engines...:D
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carship enterprise :D
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Yo science dudes give it a rest my head ghas grown by 3 sizes just by reading some of your posts...! Lets get back to the posibilaty of blowing stuff up big time ! In other words someone build me a god damn freaking beam cannon for......err........personal usage such as gardening home wreck....building....building streets carving up mountains for the hell of it.....sculpting my face on the side of everest ina gigantic 100x100 m fabulous portrait so that people can say i'm an alien or the big man himself! :D :P
Egads!
MY fellow science "dudes", it appears out intelectual debate over the basic laws that regulate our perception of reality has indeed managed to trigger a chain reaction of most peculiar proportions, leading to a restructuring of DNA and increase of volume of the cerebral cortex - probably the result of the increased traffic trough the synapses, saturating the neural pathways. To save itself from an informational overload the brain was forced to adapt, releasing chemichal coumpound that triggered a DNA change!
This phenomena requires more study...and far more debating!
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Not REALLY...mass can be converted to energy but that doesn't mean it's the same...mass has completely different properties.
Mass and energy are really just two facets of the same quantity. Note the way that the mass of a particle increases as its velocity increases due to relativistic effects; this is why there's a distinction drawn between a particle's 'rest mass' and its mass at a certain velocity.
Also note that particle masses are almost always given in electron-volts (ev), which is a unit of energy. If you're measuring mass with energy, that suggests they're pretty much the same, doesn't it?
Mass and energy are one and the same.
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and the best converter that we know is a black hole, but it convert only 40% of the mass in energy.
What?
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Not REALLY...mass can be converted to energy but that doesn't mean it's the same...mass has completely different properties.
Mass and energy are really just two facets of the same quantity. Note the way that the mass of a particle increases as its velocity increases due to relativistic effects; this is why there's a distinction drawn between a particle's 'rest mass' and its mass at a certain velocity.
Also note that particle masses are almost always given in electron-volts (ev), which is a unit of energy. If you're measuring mass with energy, that suggests they're pretty much the same, doesn't it?
Mass and energy are one and the same.
Hm, well, since when is a particle ever at rest? @ 0o Kelvin?
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At rest in the reference frame, I believe - it's all relative, after all!
Except the speed of light. That's never relative.
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TMan did you just.......you didnt did you???
Also what is the pojnt of all this mass to energi converting thingy when we are talking about beam cannons which from FS point of view are suposed to use some sort of plasma as theyr primary amunitions so to speak. So in a way it may not be laser beams but rather something else altoghether!
And wtf?? a bad a** black hole converts only 40%?? Then what ghappens with the rest????
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And wtf?? a bad a** black hole converts only 40%?? Then what ghappens with the rest????
I wasn't aware a "badass black hole" converted any mass to energy.
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Black holes slowly lose mass in the form of Hawking radiation.
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And wtf?? a bad a** black hole converts only 40%?? Then what ghappens with the rest????
hi,
eat it.
if mass rush into a blackhole its begin to circling around it, thereby get it hot and went to plasma.
some of that plasma, 40%, go so superhot that it can escape as energiespike on the poles of the blackhole and the rest of that mass are absorb by the blackhole.
thats want i can remember me, maybe theres some little misstakes :(
Mehrpack
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And wtf?? a bad a** black hole converts only 40%?? Then what ghappens with the rest????
hi,
eat it.
if mass rush into a blackhole its begin to circling around it, thereby get it hot and went to plasma.
some of that plasma, 40%, go so superhot that it can escape as energiespike on the poles of the blackhole and the rest of that mass are absorb by the blackhole.
thats want i can remember me, maybe theres some little misstakes :(
Mehrpack
But that doesn't happen all the time, and are you implying the the plasma picks up so much energy that it escapes the gravitational pull? If so, then that doesn't count as becoming energy. But if you mean that it actually becomes energy...
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then i supose there are some things that can escape the huge gravitational pull of a black hole!
Damn we need to get our hands on some tech to reproduce the phenomenon and make it usefull to us!
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like...
$Mass: -10000000
and...
$Blast force: -1000000000
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i think that would do just fine.
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But that doesn't happen all the time, and are you implying the the plasma picks up so much energy that it escapes the gravitational pull? If so, then that doesn't count as becoming energy. But if you mean that it actually becomes energy...
hi,
yeah, the super hot plasma chance to energy and some of the energy can escape in spikes on the pols of the blackhole.
i read my post again and i think it didnt really good writing it :(.
then i supose there are some things that can escape the huge gravitational pull of a black hole!
Damn we need to get our hands on some tech to reproduce the phenomenon and make it usefull to us!
if you have enough energy you can escape the gravitationfield of a blackhole, but theres another problem.
the gravitation has effect on the time, too, and a blackhole should have enough graviation to slow down the time.
so maybe you can escape but in the meantime many day, months or years has passed you.
Mehrpack
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I know what he's talking about, and he's right, at least if the Discovery Channel is right. It escapes in bursts (of gamma radiation, I think) along the vertical axis of the black hole.
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I know what he's talking about, and he's right, at least if the Discovery Channel is right. It escapes in bursts (of gamma radiation, I think) along the vertical axis of the black hole.
Alright, thanks. That's very interesting. I assume this is a rotating black hole then? Hmm... does the plasma just randomly decay into gamma radiation?
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Alright, thanks. That's very interesting. I assume this is a rotating black hole then? Hmm... does the plasma just randomly decay into gamma radiation?
hi,
how do you mean rotation? that the spikes are random over the blackhole?
everytime if i say pictures the matter was concentrated on a wafer around the hole and the spikes was in a 90° angle on both poles.
like so:
- gas/x-ray streams
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____|____ - matterwafer
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but i think the wikipedia entry can you better answer your question as me and he looks really interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_holes
Mehrpack
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According to quantum theory there's a small chance I could fall through my floor at any moment.
It's definitely weird.
Quantum physics doesn't really scale up to macroscopic levels.
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Alright, thanks. That's very interesting. I assume this is a rotating black hole then? Hmm... does the plasma just randomly decay into gamma radiation?
hi,
how do you mean rotation? that the spikes are random over the blackhole?
everytime if i say pictures the matter was concentrated on a wafer around the hole and the spikes was in a 90° angle on both poles.
like so:
- gas/x-ray streams
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____|____ - matterwafer
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but i think the wikipedia entry can you better answer your question as me and he looks really interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_holes
Mehrpack
No, no, I've seen that picture too. I'm just wondering how those jets and the "accretion disc" (the wafer you were talking about) actually form. I'm wondering if the black hole spins on its axis.
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hi,
that the matter that rush in the black hole.
look at our solarsystem, the planets do cyling around the sun, the only reason that they doesnt fall in the sun is that the centrifugal force are so high like the gravitation force of the sun.
but the graviation force of a black hole are overwhelming, its like a drain in the universum.
so the disk are compare to water thats rush in the drain.
black holes are like my dog, eating all, dont question what it is :wakka:
to the second question: mhh dont know, but a good question :).
Mehrpack
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StumbleUpon to the rescue. http://www.thinktechnologies.com/portfolio/demos/Blackhole.html
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well then could you not counteract the time dilating effects of a black hole wia a similar but oposing force??? ior field or something??
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StumbleUpon to the rescue. http://www.thinktechnologies.com/portfolio/demos/Blackhole.html
hi,
nice animation and explain in fast steps a black hole.
well then could you not counteract the time dilating effects of a black hole wia a similar but oposing force??? ior field or something??
thats not so easy like it sound.
look gravitation do everytime influence the time, on earth too.
if you stand on the mount everyrest and i, for example, stand on the ground of the sea, and both of us had an atomic-clock, then we could see that the time are going for us to different.
for you faster as for me.
or if you drive with a car or fly in a aircraft, then the time going for you slower as for a human that stand still.
the gravitation of the black hole is millions time stronger as our gravitation that we have here on earth.
i doesnt know and i think theres no other force in the universum thats are strong enough (i know that the gravitation the faintest elementary force is) to counter the influcence of space and time.
Mehrpack
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Black holes slowly lose mass in the form of Hawking radiation.
That doesn't count, the black holes don't actually take their mass and turn it into energy.
well then could you not counteract the time dilating effects of a black hole wia a similar but oposing force??? ior field or something??
With what? Where would we get this similar but opposing force? As I understand it, the time dilation is caused by the curvature of spacetime itself, so there wouldn't be much you could do. And the only results I got from Google on "ior field" were about increased oil retrieval.
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With what?
a White Hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hole), perhaps?