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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Fate of the Galaxy => Topic started by: Snaga on August 07, 2007, 11:27:32 am
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What do you guys think about it? Just retouched it.
EDIT: Changed picture to show latest development - Dec.23.2007. Also don´t pay much attention to the other ships, they are older models I did last year.
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watch out, chief has about 25mb of mon cal cruiser references to drop on you!
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Yes, we are striving for accuracy. If you are willing to improve the Mon Cals, Chief can help you out there.
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Looks off to a good start, but it's too symmetrical the way the blister-pods are distributed. Mon Cal ships have a vary assymetric design in that respect.
Also, Are modeling the MC80 Liberty? Because that MC80a is a variant that popped up after Endor or so and looks very similar to the Calamari Cruiser design that Totally Games used for TIE Fighter and X-wing Vs. TIE Fighter. And yes, I do know that loads of sources tend to contradict each other on this front, but in terms of Return of the Jedi, there are three Calamari Cruiser types, the MC80 Liberty-class, the MC85 Home One, and the MC80 Reef Home-class (which is basically the Liberty without the wings, and an extra engine down the middle replacing a blister).
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Indeed I was trying to do the Liberty at first. But to be honest, as I posted before, I was thinking if someone was willing to improve on it, cause I dont have the time nor the skill to make many more details. I worked on TS3.2 and a very slow machine that crashes when I render anything with more than 20K polygons.
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Ok, after taking a good look on chief´s material, I realized what you meant. Also I realized that I had to restart all over again, so this is what I have so far. It´s still missing a lot of detail, specially those annoying bulb-things, (there must be millions of them!):wtf:. Anyway, this is just the beginning, and remember I´m a beginner too, so I´m open for any comments.
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whoa! where did that come from!
that's awesome
i mean, the smoothing is awful, but the detail is all there.
how many polies is that? never mind that question
that's a very good amount there.
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I didn´t work on the smoothing yet, as to keep a low count on polys, I think it´d go sky high on the poly count.
Also, TS32 doesn´t have a good smoothing tool-
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thats why it should be smoothed in max, which makes it look more smooth, but doesnt jack the polycount
also, hop on the IRC channel. i'm making some ravioli, but i'll be up in a bit.
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How do I get on the IRC?
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http://ccgi.leafdigital.plus.com/download.php?leafChat18.exe
get that program,
then when you run it hit (log on), then type in irc.esper.net as the server, then hit (join #), click [specific channel] and put "#scp-swc" in the channel name field, without the quotes
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Are these the Hangar bays?
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Looking much better. As far smoothing goes, I know in Maya you select smoothing angles for edges by "hard edges" and "soft edges" and for Max you control it through assigning faces to smoothing groups.
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Are these the Hangar bays?
I think they could very well be. I don't know of the canon references to them, but that sure looks like a good use for them.
I also forgot to say, most impressive. Keep it up and we might have to bring you on as an organic modeler. :)
And one more thing, as far as IRC clients go, my favorite is X-Chat, it's open source and runs great for me. I'd get a SilvereX build for Windows, from silverex.info, but I'd stick with 2.6.x until the bugs are worked out of 2.8.x. I've been using X-Chat ever since I switched from mIRC, and it's been great. Whatever you use, we're on Espernet, you'll probably have to add it to the server list, the list of servers is on esper.net I believe, and we hang out in room #scp-swc.
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Done some more work on the engines, and fixed some minor scaling differences. Although I´m having a hard time with the detail in the panel above the engines.
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New update on progress. Added some detail I was missing, but the polies almost doubled up to 28k.
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That's actually not too bad for a ship with so many curves. I thought it'd be a lot worse from looking at it. It looks amazing, keep it up.
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Snaga, where'd you go?
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I hope Sam didn't finish him off....
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I don't know what you're talking about, but I hope not too. He was doing an amazing job on that model.
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KOOL :jaw:
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Relax.....I'm not a goner yet...... it's that I had tons of work and study this last month. I even had to go out on business for a week. I'm still a little hard pressed, but luckily next week I can post some updates.
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No worries, we've all been there, look at how much time I had to take off for work and family stuff. There's no need to rush, it's not as if we're ready for a release and waiting on one model or anything.
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Yeah, definitely not a problem. We just hoped you hadn't abandoned it, since it was looking so pretty. Take your time, rl comes first, trust me. Otherwise you _will_ get burned out. Updates are nice though too :)
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Ok, added some pipes and stuff in the inner part of the engines cover (as I named it) :D. But those small details will add a lot of polys, already jumped 10K to sum up to 50K aprox. and I´m still missing a lot. Also, there´s not much left to finish the model, (until you all start looking close at it).
I was also wondering how are we going to make the turrets, for I´ve never seen one in the movies, but they sure have. Perhaps inside the blister pods ?
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My idea for now is to leave the blister pods as subobjects and we will set them as inanimate turrets. I don't know any other source for placements of turrets, supposedly some of the pods should have an opening in them for a turret to be placed though. The wiki claims the Liberty has 48 turbolasers and 20 ion canons, so roughly 70. However, most are probably dual or quad, mostly dual, so I'd try to get around 30-40 turrets on it.
Also, amazing job greebling the underneath there. Looks fantastic.
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Sh*t guys, stangin' good work!
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wooowheee!
That Liberty Cruiser is coming along very nicely! As for the debate on the batteries, I would assume that they are mounted in the blisters, though it's hard to determine what the actual visibility is since the original trilogy skimps out on these kinds of details. When you think about it, the only capital ships to really show visible gun turrets were the Corellian Corvette and Star Destroyers (and those were really just the larger guns). The Nebulon-B only shows one Laser Cannon and Turbolaser Battery and that's in the lower compartment of the forward hull, yet we know from ROTJ, that the Nebbie clearly has more guns than just those.
I'd almost say it's really up to the imagination, but it needs to be kept in mind that the best place to mount the turrets would be in areas that provide the greatest field of fire. Another idea would be to make the turrets small rotating blisters with a barrel or two protruding out. The closest visual I can use an influence for this would be taking a look at the laser cannons aboard the Corvette (not the two Dual Batteries mind you).
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Another idea would be to make the turrets small rotating blisters with a barrel or two protruding out. The closest visual I can use an influence for this would be taking a look at the laser cannons aboard the Corvette (not the two Dual Batteries mind you).
I agree with this idea, making them small enough as to barely see them from a distance, thus keeping the smooth circular form seen in the movies. Also, we´d have to agree on the exact number of turrets we should use and general positions.
Also, I have to check on the poly count, as far as I´m going I could very well end up over 80K!!!! :shaking: By now I´m on 65K, having done some more greebling on the engines, but I think I could just lower the count only by reducing the amount of the smaller blisters. :mad: Perhaps twikling again the small details, but as things go, I can´t imagine this model with less than 65.000 polys, (triangulated and with LODS).
EDIT: This picture here is to show my idea of where the primary cannons could be.
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lotta primary cannons..... :drevil:
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As far as poly count goes, we should be able to use the new mapping support to greatly reduce the count on the mon cals. Any smaller blisters should be representable with normal/parallax/height mapping, and we should be able to get a great level of detail on it without having to add all that stuff to the mesh. You may want to make a high poly version to aid in the generation of those maps though, but keep everything detachable for now probably.
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Another thing that I'm remembering are the hangars on this thing. Have those been researched yet? Because there is some questionability in terms of location and what they are supposed to look like when observing photo references of the movie models. In fact, the only ship that really ever had obvious and clearly visible hangars is Home One. For both the Liberty and Reef Home, I'm wondering.
One last thing, Snaga. Are you going to be modeling Reef Home as well? (It's the wingless MC80 in Return of the Jedi that's the same size as the Liberty.
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About the hangars on this model I posted the same question on this thread a while back. Chief and I believe that they could possibly be in the front of the ship. According to some pictures of the actual model where you can clearly see the openings there, they could have that end. But as we couldn´t find any reference to them it´s up to the team to decide where to place the hangar bays.
On the Reef Home model I tried it some days ago. Seeing as it is exactly the same model but without the wings, one more engine and some blisters where the wings where, I thought it was easy. But to my liking, after I took the wings of, (I made them as a separate mesh), the ship looked a bit thin, so I might have to retouch it a bit.
Here´s what I did that day (with a comparison) without sweating much, just added 4 blisters that´s all.
Even so, I´d think it best to finish this model and then start with the Reef home. It also should be lower on the poly count. Just in the wings I´m using like 10K polys with so many blisters that they have.
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whats that bottom picture???? :wtf:
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whats that bottom picture???? :wtf:
I believe it is a picture of the actual set while shooting RoJ. I put it there to make a comparison between the real thing and the wip.
Here's a new update on the details of the engines. Also I think I will replace the greebling of the panel above the engines with something "cleaner". I don't like the looks of it much, but most of all, I don't like how many polygons it adds to the model.
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whats that bottom picture???? :wtf:
I believe it is a picture of the actual set while shooting RoJ. I put it there to make a comparison between the real thing and the wip.
Here's a new update on the details of the engines. Also I think I will replace the greebling of the panel above the engines with something "cleaner". I don't like the looks of it much, but most of all, I don't like how many polygons it adds to the model.
ugh
50 Reasons why Return of the Jedi sucks (http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=features&Id=172)
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That's great Titan, very on topic.
Thanks for your contribution.
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ITS SO NICE TO BE WANTED!!! 8D (thats my smiley, like it?)
whats the current polycount? it always looks like the moncal ships wouldn't work.
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All those small buldges..I hope they are sperate objects and that you didn't boolean/union them with the hull (and that yu deleted all the faces which won't be seen .. things like that cause polycount skyrocketing needlesly.
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Indeed, they are all separate objects. I realized from the beginning that they would mean the highest problem in polycount. But they aren't actually. I'm spending most polies in the greebling and detailing of the ship, which is why I'm taking so long, because I'm doing a lot of checking to see how to diminish the count without losing detail. But I believe I could make it at 50 - 60 K with all of the detail and triangulated. At the moment it is 63K without triangulation.
I was also thinking on what Chief said before, of making one with less detail, (less polies) for lower computers and OS, and leaving the high poly one for the future.
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If there's one piece of advice I could give having worked on TBP, it would be not to put of months of work into reducing a model's poly count to the absolute minimum. All the while you're knocking yourself out doing that people are buying faster and faster graphics cards which will make your work meaningless. Aim for something reasonable to start with. Sorry if I'm butting in where I'm not wanted. Just trying to help.
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No, it's good advice. Don't burn yourself out cutting polies. Just do what seems right, and try to keep it clean.
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If there's one piece of advice I could give having worked on TBP, it would be not to put of months of work into reducing a model's poly count to the absolute minimum. All the while you're knocking yourself out doing that people are buying faster and faster graphics cards which will make your work meaningless. Aim for something reasonable to start with. Sorry if I'm butting in where I'm not wanted. Just trying to help.
Great advice! Taking that into account I think I´m almost ready to hand this model to Turambar, who promised to smooth it with max. I´m maling making some tests with it, and it goes on to a good start. It seems to work in fred, but I couldn´t test it on a mission yet cause I can´t find my FS cds. So here´s a pic in fred, tomorrow I could post one in game.
PS. dont mind the textures, I used a crappy one just to test it. And....yes....it still needs some work to be done, but not before some things are decided, like guns, etc.
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My god man, it's amazing! We'll definitely work on getting all the decisions about guns and such made very soon. Anything else you need to know still, let us know.
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Here´s a picture with one gun emplacement, so as to see the relative size within the hole ship. Also, a bigger picture to show the actual thing.
In the front picture, you can barely see the gun turret.
Comments?
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just when i was wondering what to do over winter break!
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I have no break :(.........Just dec 25 and jan 1.......... the rest I have to keep on working. Got many bills to pay this year :doubt:
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yeah, im workin 30 hrs next week :-/
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yeah, im workin 30 hrs next week :-/
That sounds more dramatic if you know that Turambar is also going to school.
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I'm not a big fan of the turret style there actually, I wish I could find the picture (Ive been looking) but there was one that had what could have been a gun turret on a moncal. It was like a square cut into the hull with a small gun barrel sticking out. I kinda like that idea moreso than the strapped on turret idea (after all, there has to be a lot of other equipment that goes into it, so why not just take a passenger compartment, and turn it into a gun battery by sticking a gun barrel out the window and leave the rest of the room for power supply etc)
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Yes, in the first pic with the gun turret you can see some "windows" that could very well be what you are talking about. I was wondering what they where when I first saw the reference pictures. Even so, that would limit a bit the Fov for the laser turrets, being able to fire almost strait, (sideways, and front and back perhaps) leaving an import blind spot when making an attack run from the top or bottom. Unless we put some more windows to match those angles. Nevertheles, it would look more moncalamarish the way you are saying.
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Ahhhh.......I found my Cds, here...... some pictures in game. I have to admit that I chose a horrible sun for the mission, but it´ll do.
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This one is from the technical database
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very nice. you have much more patience for round things than i do.
a new texture along with some smoothing in max and that thing will be looking perfect.
what we really need is a good tiling texture, combined with having some areas of the ship UVmapped for good light placement.
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Yeah, that thing is gonna look great in game. You've done an awesome job.
As far as turrets go, maybe just having the openings will be enough, and we don't even need the actual physical turrets. I mean, it might be cool to have some on the ship, but if they're recessed so much, we probably don't even need them. Normal maps could maybe even be used to create the recession and we can just make invisible subobjects, or have them attached to the blisters themselves.
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I tend to agree with that. I find the idea of gun barrels sticking out of a Mon-Cal wrong, somehow.
If they are going to be there, then why not make some of the (smaller) blisters be turrets instead of simply attaching turrets to blisters? And instead of barrels, then yeah, you could just have an circular opening corrosponding to the turret's fire point, giving the impression that the whole assembly is contained inside the round/ovoid blister and thus maintaining the organic shape so characteristic of Mon-Cal designs. Would look much better in my opinion, as barrels will really hurt the sleek look.
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Damn! that ships is fine! :pimp:
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What do you think then Snaga? Sounds like you're pretty much done with turreting :)
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Now, I'd still like to see the turret-blisters as destroyable objects, so don't make him relax just yet :p
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Hey.....I´ll take my time anyways ;7 So don´t worry, debate all that you want. Although I agree that converting the blister pods into the turrets is the best idea, AND they should be destroyable subobjects. So I could begin with that, and later when building the pof, depending on the positioning of each blister-turret we can give them the correct field of view for each.
chief, you also mentioned before the number of turrets this thing should have. I think you said between 30 and 40? Perhaps more? :shaking:
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According to Wikia it has 48 turbolaser and 20 ion canons, so if we give it all dual turrets, it'd be about 34, 24 and 10.
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Doing a really bang up job there, Snaga. I think that we're going to have a mighty fine ship there in the end. Btw, a little off-topic, but since we're talking about turrets here, do we have any weapons effects integrated?
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Not yet, we've tried to do a little work on it, but currently that project is stalled. Wouldn't mind someone else taking a stab at it though.
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maybe I'll look into it after the Z-95 is done, though I'll have next to no idea how to do any of that stuff since I'm not an Effects artist :P
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Looks good, but I'm wondering about all those intersecting "bumps" They may not cause I problem, but you might manna shoot it up some in FS2 to look for holes.
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Sorry, but I´m not familiarized with all of the modelers vocabulary yet :D
What are the "intersecting bumps", and how can I fix them? Also, if you where just suggesting to test the ship in the game, I am doing that and it seems to go ok, though it is quite heavy on my computer. Also I did have some problems to convert it at the beggining. As I said before, I still have work to do.
By the way, I didn´t mention it before, but the poly count is 60 K. Far too many "blister pods".
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Yeah, we may be able to reduce a lot of the smaller ones a bit and just have them done in a normal/height map, now that support for them is near.
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definitely can't wait to see these things in action.
it will truly be epic, and normal maps will let us make this star wars mod like no other.
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How about detail boxes?
I grouped all those blister pods in 4 different subobjects. From big to small, and in order of location. Each blister is still a separate object, (I did that thinking of the guns), so it should be easier to work with.
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That should work great.
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Sorry, but I´m not familiarized with all of the modelers vocabulary yet :D
What are the "intersecting bumps", and how can I fix them? Also, if you where just suggesting to test the ship in the game, I am doing that and it seems to go ok, though it is quite heavy on my computer. Also I did have some problems to convert it at the beggining. As I said before, I still have work to do.
By the way, I didn´t mention it before, but the poly count is 60 K. Far too many "blister pods".
Well, intersecting things are like this,
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How can you fix them? As I see you are using TS, maybe 3.2? It's very hard to connect objects by polies in TS 3.2 without messing the whole thing up. You will have to use Wings or some other program that allows you to cut and connect verts.
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Thanks, I suspected as much. You were right there. There are many bumps, but in my testings they haven´t caused any problem yet. Even so, I´ll try and fix that, and if I can´t I´ll seek some help :drevil:... maybe from Turambar again... :lol:
EDIT: Also, I´ve begun testing with the turrets on this ship, see the first page-post for pics.
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Thanks, I suspected as much. You were right there. There are many bumps, but in my testings they haven´t caused any problem yet. Even so, I´ll try and fix that, and if I can´t I´ll seek some help :drevil:... maybe from Turambar again... :lol:
EDIT: Also, I´ve begun testing with the turrets on this ship, see the first page-post for pics.
If it works fine, I wouldn't worry about it. I was just making sure, because I'm pretty sure too many intersecting objects would mess up the collision detection. But it looks like that has been fixed.
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Typically, using too many intersecting objects is a problem during conversion rather than in-game. Unless it's used very carefully, it becomes a really messy way to model. This is ESPECIALLY true if all those blisters are separate objects in TS, because from there they either have to be converted into separate submodels (ie, subsystems) in FS2 or they are merged into one object by PCS during conversion, depending on whether lights were glued to them or not.
Having PCS do a lot of that kind of merging is very dangerous for model stability. As WeatherOp suggests, it'd be a very good idea to spend some time just shooting and ramming the thing all over - especially at sections with weird geometry such as polygon intersections and stuff.
Oh and finally, the intersecting bumps mean you won't be able to get good smoothing at the parts where the blisters meet the hull, so don't bother trying. :(
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I would think we would want defined edges there.
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Well the problem is that they become VERY sharply defined. You can see it clearly in this shot (assuming lvlshotting an attached image works):
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No matter how good your textures are, in shots like this the hard edges will always show up in this same manner. Ideally you would have a bit of blending between the lumps and the hull - not much, but enough to take off the sharp contrast on the edge. There might be ways around it involving strong normal maps, AO maps and UVing rather than texture tiling, but I have no idea how effective they'd be in this case.
Uh yeah, in short - there's not much that can be done about that contrast, but the model still looks nice. Very accurate to the movie ones too, which for a mon cal cruiser is quite an achievement. :D
Well done snaga. :) :yes:
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Mmmm.. :confused:..Darn. What would you say if I boolean union all those intersecting bumps and then just have one mesh? I know it´s really messy, but could it do the job? For smoother edges I mean? There´s got to be some way to fix that...
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(http://www.fivedigits.net/pix/phun/itsatrap.jpg)
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Booleans in general are very problematic - all the moreso in TS because of how unstable it is already and how hard it is to clean up afterwards. As such I think I'd recommend just leaving them un-joined.
Thinking about it more though, I would also say UV map it if you can, because then you'd be able to create some VERY impressive normal maps as well as being able to bake ambient occlusion onto the base hull map, which should create the blend without a lot of work.
That and custom textures always look much nicer than texture tiling. ;)
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Ok, thanks to Vasudan Admiral´s help, the Liberty is now ready for textures, and just missing the turrets. He made the modifications needed also to lower the poly count to 30+K. So here´s a look.
EDIT: Added 2 more pics. These where taken from PCS 2.
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Not bad. I like this version the best so far, and I am curious to see a textured version of it.
Could we get a shot about its down and back parts, too?
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very purty. very.
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i still don't like the idea of using AO to hide bad seams.
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It's a million times easier than carefully fine tuning each and every seam to blend into each other nicely though. The AO map I baked there is simply a layer of shading that should help a texture out a lot. I've done the same thing for the new Aten, and it seems to work very well for most things if applied as a multiplicative layer over all the others in the texture.
Certainly there are places where you'll need to change its strength, but I've found it to be very helpful.
I've seen a lot of good models in mods for other games kinda spoiled by bad texture/lighting handling of geometry intersections in exactly this sort of situation.
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Off topic:
Hey, how do you do that thing where the thumbnail just springs up right on the page instead of opening in a new window?
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The photo is just an attachment, instead of a link embedded in the post to a new website. The downside is that attachments get purged more often than images on imgshack, etc.
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Interesting... Thanks much.
Btw, great work on the Mon Cal.
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Just curious, in-game how many of these behemoths are there going to be? More than two and my GPU will probably pop out one frame per 30 seconds...
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Save for something on the scale of a battle of endor, I doubt there'd ever be need to render more than 2 or 3. And they'll be aggressively LOD'd, don't worry.
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Shiny, though I think my laptop (due mid-April) is gonna have at least an 8400M to eclipse my 6200OC. Nice that they'll be LOD'd; I don't know people's specs, but a lot of us here at HLP don't have high-end rigs, IIRC.
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Honestly, I can't say we'll be catering to a very low end system. It'll have the same ability to run on low end stuff as BtRL probably, the ships will be LOD'd, and you'll be able to adjust the detail to help, but we're trying to make a new Star Wars game. There's a handful of great Star Wars games that already run on older stuff, that never seem to get old to play, and still have an online following to some extent. By the time it matters, I'm sure most of the community will have a computer capable of running it. I myself am about to break down and build a new rig. My guess is that if your computer was designed for gaming and built within the last 3 years, you should be safe, and maybe even as far back as 5 years from whenever we release. Non-gaming rigs and laptops are always more questionable, even brand new ones sometimes have integrated video issues and such, so there's not much we can do there.
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My guess is that if your computer was designed for gaming and built within the last 3 years, you should be safe, and maybe even as far back as 5 years from whenever we release. Non-gaming rigs and laptops are always more questionable, even brand new ones sometimes have integrated video issues and such, so there's not much we can do there.
Yeah, I was given my computer, a Compaq Presario, four years ago. It was advertised as an "Internet PC." Needless to say, I really can't wait until I get my laptop... Plus, when I return to Denver for holidays I'll be able to still game up there.
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Wait a second...what about the weapons?!?
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To be added, if you're referring to where are the weapons on the cruiser mesh. It's just the base so far. But it's a very stable base to start from.
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I don't think the films can give us reliable info about the armament...
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No, so we're roughly basing it on the info in the Wookieepedia, which says it has something like 60 turbolasers and 20 ions, so we'll do 40 dual turrets, 30 dual turbo and 10 dual ion.
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Those numbers weren't designed for gameplay.
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What about the firing point? Are they going to be randomized like in Colony Wars?
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True TopAce, but that could just be the typical configuration, and the Fredder can do whatever they want with it. We could allow every turret to be either turbolasers or ions, I just hope to see 40 dual turrets.
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What about the firing point? Are they going to be randomized like in Colony Wars?
There´s no reliable info on where exactly are the firing points. So we´ll try to put them wherever´s necesary to make them as balanced as possible.
Those numbers weren't designed for gameplay.
To this, it will also depend a lot on how we can balance the weapons on capital ships. It won´t be easy.
In my personal oponion there should be as many as posible according to canon, so as to make capital ships really hard to attack on a fighter.
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the numbers are balanced for capital ship strengths to work out for fleet engagements in movies and literature.
i still think we should try them out first, before we go coming up with our own numbers.
plus, i really want to see an ISD2 50-turbolaser shot broadside tear up some poor cruiser.
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Me too, but we'll definitely have to FRED them carefully, just like in regular FS with all those beams. If we don't none of our capships will last 2 minutes.
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In my personal oponion there should be as many as posible according to canon, so as to make capital ships really hard to attack on a fighter.
In the OT fighters could easily get close to ships...
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Yeah most ships weren't equipped for anti-starfighter combat, save a few, like the Lancer. There's basically only one factor that determines that. Number of Turbolaser turrets, vs number of Laser turrets. That and anti-fighter warheads. However, anti-fighter warheads on an ISD were something that I believe was made up as a game mechanic, and we'll probably avoid that in favor of other measures. Most notably, making capital ships virtually impossible to take on solo. They'll all take big ship weapons to take them down. They'll hopefully have tight shields meshes, that for the most part prevent you from getting inside of them. Other capital ship turbolasers will be the only thing really capable of making dents in the shields, save one or two other tricks. So capital ships will hardly ever bother shooting at fighters, and will probably just be big objects in space except for their typically sparse cover of laser turrets. Just enough that you can't sit still on top of one, but not enough to make them a real threat to you. It's going to be about fighter combat in the long run.
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we do have that fun bit of code that lets us coordinate torpedo salvos with a squad.
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...save one or two other tricks...
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In my personal oponion there should be as many as posible according to canon, so as to make capital ships really hard to attack destroy on a fighter.
In the OT fighters could easily get close to ships...
Fixed it. I wanted to say as in destroying a capital ship with just a fighter. Of course a wing/wings of bombers should always be a threat to any capital ship.
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we do have that fun bit of code that lets us coordinate torpedo salvos with a squad.
Is this like that maneuver in one of the X-Wing books where a torpedo salvo was fired from each of the Rogues using Antilles' target data?
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If it's where they subsequently punched a hole in the ISD's shields so it could be taken down faster, then yes I think it is.
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Yes, it is. Shiny!
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Ok, after a veeeeery loooooong time without work on this model, due for a complete computer breakdown, (cause is still undetermined, luckily I had a full backup up to 3 days before my computer broke), and after I had to wait for a hole month for my new shiny notebook, I began work on the final 2 things I was missing......finally!!!! First, a nice and believable hangar bay, and second the turrets. So here is a new pic on how the hangar bay goes. Remember, critics are accepted as long as they are helpful! :D
Also, and a bit off topic, another pic to show how fast this computer goes, (look at the FPS with some huge ships!!!)
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You DEFINITELY need better textures on those hull blisters. Are you using the XWA ones or something?
A little time with Gimp and some noise filters would help you tremendously.
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Those aren´t the final textures, they´re just some of the textures from the mediavps that I always use just to give some color to the models when I´m testing them. I´m not a texturer, and barely know the very basics to put some textures on.
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Yeah, it needs textures but it would be AWESOME to have both that and an ISD placeholder soon. I didn't plan on getting the big capital ships in game, but if it could at least be functional that opens up a lot more possibilities. Great job Snaga, nice to see you around again.
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about hose sheild meshes...
why not make the collison boxes equal the sheil meshes when sheilkds are up, and otherwise when down?
i think that is cannon based on a little source known as RotJ
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Doesn't matter that it's canon, the pof format only holds one collision box. Besides, the way these will have to be set up it won't be much difference between the shield mesh and the ship's hull. We'll probably have to use surface shields in fact, because the size of these ships means that the shield mesh has to be almost skintight in comparison to it's over all size, otherwise the shield mesh would fail.
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Whats that between the Executor and the Imperator? I generally consider myself fairly nerdy when it comes to SW tech but i can't recognize the silhouette.
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I don't think it's SW, but I could be wrong.
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Executor: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor
Imperator: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer
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Brand, he was talking about the ship between those two ships in the 4th screenshot that Snaga last posted.
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If i didn't know what those two were then i deserved to get slapped about with a large trout
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Heh, my bad, misread that.