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Site Management => Site Support / Feedback => Topic started by: Mr. Vega on September 01, 2007, 04:56:39 pm
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...that General Discussion posts shall/might contribute to the post count again?
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like having no post count adding is stopping spamming there. :)
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Agreed.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like having no post count adding is stopping spamming there. :)
Almost as if General Discussion was being used for exactly that. :doubt: Meh. If it doesn't matter, then why are you asking? It does have the effect of preventing ppl from trying to use their postcount to throw their (non-existent) influence around in matters pertaining to HLP modding because they gab alot in Gen Disc... not sure if that's ever been a problem; but it won't be as long as this policy is in place. OFC, an admin could always just tell any such n00b to STFU or be banned... :drevil:
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not sure if that's ever been a problem; but it won't be as long as this policy is in place
Not so much. Therefore the policy is redundant. But I posted about once a week these days, so meh. Do as you wish.
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...that General Discussion posts shall/might contribute to the post count again?
who cares about postcount?
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I'm in two minds personally, part of me thinks that General Discussion should be a place where people can discuss other topics and even get in somewhat heated debates (as long as the debate is about the subject, and NOT about the person who's opinion you disagree with). If that's the case, then post-count doesn't really matter, since some people are natural debaters, others simply ignore posts that get too heated because they don't really want to get into a row-esque situation.
Another part of me thinks that giving people back their E-Peens will stop some of the spamming that takes place in the Freespace General Discussion boards.
Of course, the other option is to completely hide post-counts in posts and only display them in profiles, so people can check their post-counts if they like, but it's not like a badge.
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Another part of me thinks that giving people back their E-Peens will stop some of the spamming that takes place in the Freespace General Discussion boards.
I am in favor of enabling them mainly for this reason. The spam hasn't really fallen in quantity but has just moved to GFS. It doesn't make much sense to have those posts count (obviously, it's impossible to catch all or even most spam posts) while more interesting and/or useful ones in GD don't. The debates aren't very common there anymore in any case, as the people who used to completely flood the place with P&N threads a year ago seem to have left.
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P&N? Whatsa dat?
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Another part of me thinks that giving people back their E-Peens will stop some of the spamming that takes place in the Freespace General Discussion boards.
Of course, the other option is to completely hide post-counts in posts and only display them in profiles, so people can check their post-counts if they like, but it's not like a badge.
Or I could start getting harsher with people who spam on Gen FS.
To be honest I doubt that giving people the ability to add to post count will stop the kind of behaviour that you describe. Once it's taken root in a forum all that will happen is that they will continue to spam there and now gain post count for further spamming in Gen Disc.
I also noticed that it's been an age since anyone got their post count zeroed for spamming. I suppose I should point out that this particular punishment might be coming back.
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P&N? Whatsa dat?
Politics and news. GD was practically a (one sided) news wire at one point, with certain individuals digging up obscure articles just about every day and creating loads of threads on them. That was one of the main reasons that prompted the forum change back in January, but the situation is different now.
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Hmm, perhaps you could add "postcount permanently set to 0" to the list of possible punishments for misbehaviour. That might actually hurt some spammers more than a temporary ban. Sort of an e-neutering for their e-peen :p Of course, I have no idea if the SMF software actually supports doing that.
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Make postcounts hidden by default.
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Personally I don't find a pressing need to have post counts at all. They're a vague indicator of how long someone has been a part of the community (the higher the count - the greater the contribution, although there's no garuntee that it was a useful contribution..).
Do people really care enough about this that they want it changed, either way?
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I find it a useful indication of how I'm wasting my life. :D
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it is interesting to see. shame the join date doesn't show on the forum too (it's not interesting enough to look up) :doubt:
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Personally I don't find a pressing need to have post counts at all. They're a vague indicator of how long someone has been a part of the community (the higher the count - the greater the contribution, although there's no garuntee that it was a useful contribution..).
Do people really care enough about this that they want it changed, either way?
It ceased to be an indicator of how much people were getting involved when the Gen FS started filling up with spam. Personally, I'd say hide post-count, make join date visible, that's probably a better indicator of 'service' to the board than how many times you can hit 'post reply'. Keep post count visible in profiles so that people can check if they want to, but remove it from the forum, to my mind, it's being abused and causing problems.
That way, people can have their post++ back for general discussion as well.
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join date doesent help for telling how much you've contributed either...you can join, post once, wait a year, and post again. maybe an admin-controlled "contribution counter" that goes up every time you make something/contribute.
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That's going to be putting a lot of work onto the Admins though. At least with join date you have some idea, personally, I'd prefer it if people judged the post by it's content than by the 'rep' value of th person posting it, no matter what form it takes.
To be honest, it's probably best to leave things as they are, or we'll probably just get a repeat performance of what happened last time the Forums changed.
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That's going to be putting a lot of work onto the Admins though. At least with join date you have some idea, personally, I'd prefer it if people judged the post by it's content than by the 'rep' value of th person posting it, no matter what form it takes.
To be honest, it's probably best to leave things as they are, or we'll probably just get a repeat performance of what happened last time the Forums changed.
"if it aint broke dont fix it"
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Show them both.
If you've been around a while and have a lot of posts, you were either useful or not as spammy to the point that you got banned.
If you're new and have a lot of posts, you're spamming or possibly really involved in some project, but most likely spamming.
If you're old and have few posts, you've lurked or left and returned.
If you're new and have few posts, you're normal.
This is how it was done in VBulletin, and would make the most sense. As for allowing General Discussion posts count, don't ask me. It was a much more active forum before SMF and all the changes, but it also had the overheated personal attacks, but it at least had a page of new threads a day, most decent.
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I always thought a "Spam" section would be useful, but that would cause MAJOR spamming by certain spammers and this would use up the HLP's bandwidth, wouln't it?
Besides, it's nicer to have no spam to look at.
*Thinks of the mess he would see in that section*
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join date doesent help for telling how much you've contributed either...you can join, post once, wait a year, and post again. maybe an admin-controlled "contribution counter" that goes up every time you make something/contribute.
I've seen the solution for that.... you have a "How useful was this post" section, level 1-5, you click the number, you can vote how useful it was... and you can change your vote, I think that would be good. However, I'm not sure this is a good idea. Huge abuse / clique potential.
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If you want accurate stats how much someone has contributed to the community, the best way to do that is to enable Karma.
http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=104
In a month you'd see who are the retards and who are the contributors. In two months time the board ends up in flames and Karma will be removed. :lol:
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Yeah... which brings me back to thinking "just leave the whole bloody thing alone".
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Gah...I'd just like to get my postcount back into 4 digits like it was a couple years ago, but allright.
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Gah...I'd just like to get my postcount back into 4 digits like it was a couple years ago, but allright.
You could post in Freespace discussions... :doubt:
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I've got to be missing something here.
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Another part of me thinks that giving people back their E-Peens will stop some of the spamming that takes place in the Freespace General Discussion boards.
Of course, the other option is to completely hide post-counts in posts and only display them in profiles, so people can check their post-counts if they like, but it's not like a badge.
Or I could start getting harsher with people who spam on Gen FS.
To be honest I doubt that giving people the ability to add to post count will stop the kind of behaviour that you describe. Once it's taken root in a forum all that will happen is that they will continue to spam there and now gain post count for further spamming in Gen Disc.
I also noticed that it's been an age since anyone got their post count zeroed for spamming. I suppose I should point out that this particular punishment might be coming back.
I agree with this. Actually, I forgot it was an option. :)
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Just leave it like it is. And join date isn't really a good indication of contribution, either. Look at me: A two year member with maybe a small thing here and there, but mostly nothing. Now, IIRC hip68 or someone like that made a Freespace DVD about a week after registry.
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1. That's hip63.
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Or see thesizzler's Manual Install instructions (http://tinyurl.com/35k8ao)
-That, in and of itself, counts for something. :p
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a small thing here and there,
Thanks, still.
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Not something little. It might not have been hard, but it is very useful. :yes:
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The little 2^x thing is pretty cool - maybe get rid of visible postcount and just leave that?
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A Rep system would look horrible and inflate the useless (non-post) part of the forum.
One of the reasons that I don't use G-W is because of the massive avatars and sig pictures.
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Think of all the bandwidth that is wasted, too.
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Yeah bandwith that could be used to bring HLPs download service back.
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Yeah bandwith that could be used to bring HLPs download service back.
Personally I doubt it. :)
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Just an idea.
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What happened to that?
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HLP3.0 happened, and the site lost functionality
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I'd just like to see a quick synopsis page of freespace terms back (like a mini-wiki minus the everyone can edit), maybe another small campaign list with links, like before.
(hint hint)
EDIT:Would a dumpster board be anything worth something? Like where all locked threads (minus stickied) older than two weeks are sent?
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http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Various_Terms
http://campaignlist.hard-light.net/
Better before when it was all on HLP2.0 :sigh:
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Exactly :(.
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HLP3.0 happened, and the site lost functionality
And nobody bothered to fix it?
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It was removed because it caused too much traffic.
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No, HLP 2.0 was removed because Fury wanted somebody to upgrade it. Unfortunately, he neglected to arrange for an upgrader first. :sigh:
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Then why can't you bring it back? :(
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No, HLP 2.0 was removed because Fury wanted somebody to upgrade it. Unfortunately, he neglected to arrange for an upgrader first. :sigh:
:wtf:
Do you think I'm so gone as to not even read the forums every now and then? Blame resigned admin for any bad decisions that were done, it is after all so easy to say that he did all the decisions by himself without consulting the rest.
What a load of bull****, Goober.
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No, HLP 2.0 was removed because Fury wanted somebody to upgrade it. Unfortunately, he neglected to arrange for an upgrader first. :sigh:
:wtf:
Do you think I'm so gone as to not even read the forums every now and then? Blame resigned admin for any bad decisions that were done, it is after all so easy to say that he did all the decisions by himself without consulting the rest.
What a load of bull****, Goober.
/me was wondering if Goober's password has been compromised or something... even if that statement was true, it doesn't sound like Goober to dump blame on someone. :nervous:
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:wtf:
Do you think I'm so gone as to not even read the forums every now and then? Blame resigned admin for any bad decisions that were done, it is after all so easy to say that he did all the decisions by himself without consulting the rest.
What a load of bull****, Goober.
You were the one who was primarily responsible for it. Styxx was inactive, and nobody else was doing anything, so you forged ahead and started making changes. The discussions are right there in the admin forum.
Don't accuse me of casting blame; I'm merely stating what happened. You've provided lots of valuable service, and made some very good changes, but this happens to not be one of them.
Then why can't you bring it back? :(
We (primarily Tolwyn) are currently attempting to do so.
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The discussions are right there in the admin forum.
Exactly the point. The discussions are right there in the admin forum. I provided the options and means to get it done, it doesn't mean that responsibility of the decision to replace the mainpage rests solely on my shoulders. I also gave you chances to preview what the mainpage would be changed into. You had all the time to voice out your disagreement and convince the rest not to go ahead with it.
I always knew you were incompetent and should have had your admin privileges revoked. But to realize you'd go as far as this to make up for your own reputation caused by your own mistakes around here.
Found an old backup of HLP 2.0 from my old server HDD two days ago. Thought of uploading it somewhere, but what do I care, I don't have any ties to this community anymore.
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Exactly the point. The discussions are right there in the admin forum. I provided the options and means to get it done, it doesn't mean that responsibility of the decision to replace the mainpage rests solely on my shoulders. I also gave you chances to preview what the mainpage would be changed into. You had all the time to voice out your disagreement and convince the rest not to go ahead with it.
You didn't merely provide the options and means to get it done, you did it, almost entirely single-handedly. I believe it was frustration with the "government-by-committee" nature of the admin forum (a frustration that I sometimes share) that led you to do it yourself; but if you do it yourself, then its success or failure rests solely on your shoulders.
The current front page was originally billed as a "temporary" page until a full content management system could be set up. That's a historical fact, not a personal opinion. It's no more an assignment of blame than it would be to say that my stated release dates for TVWP or STR turned out to be premature by at least three years.
I always knew you were incompetent and should have had your admin privileges revoked. But to realize you'd go as far as this to make up for your own reputation caused by your own mistakes around here.
You seem to be laboring under the mistaken impression that I build myself up by tearing others down. That's hardly a game I care to play; and even if it were, it would be fruitless, since reality is reality regardless of how I feel about it. My reputation stands or falls entirely on its own -- the reputations of others have no bearing on it.
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Uh-huh... :blah:
HLP 2.0 isn't a top priority, anyway...
If having it ASAP also means having discussion like this one, we can forget it. There are no problems...the site runs, the forums work fine and hosted projects are fine, too.
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You'd not be a'sayin that had yer skin and bones seen that 2.0.
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**** Pirate day! I can't understand!
My point is:
No HLP 2.0 > Admins arguing for HLP 2.0
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No more flaming or you'll get banned. :nervous:
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*wonders how hard he can threaten admins who've been around longer than himself*
Guys this really isn't worth the argument. I doubt most of the people on this board are buying that HLP 2.0 was removed because Fury was incompetent or that Goober was saying that he is. So basically this is just a storm in a teacup.
Anyway I'm going to lock this before it gets any more heated.
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You know, as admins they can still continue their argument in locked threads. :nervous:
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Yeah but it should subtly persuade them not to. Or at least calm down. :)