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Title: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: ARSPR on September 02, 2007, 08:58:24 am: I suppose this is not a bug but some kind of feature I didn't know about. I post it here rather than mantising.

Take a look at the screenshot. My ship speed limit is 200 but when I turn hard I reach 350. What's happening?

Thanks in advance.

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Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Mobius on September 02, 2007, 09:11:04 am: Momentum I guess...
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Turey on September 02, 2007, 02:11:37 pm: It's a side-effect of the high damp values. Combined with a timely use of Glide, you could do things like this:
(http://www.fsoinstaller.com/images/SPEED.PNG)
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Backslash on September 02, 2007, 03:10:48 pm: It is really silly IMO, especially when watching someone else's ship do it in multiplayer. I (and Turey :yes:) added an option that fixes this:
in ai_profiles.tbl, add to the end:
Code: [Select]
$use newtonian dampening: YESThis only works on builds made after 2007.07.19
I'm hoping to convince the BtRL crew that this option is necessary ;)
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Flipside on September 02, 2007, 05:15:57 pm: Wasn't there a trick similar to this in Descent where you could go faster than your ships top speed? It was called Tri-vectoring or something?

Edit: Or maybe Tri-chording?
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Turey on September 02, 2007, 05:55:37 pm: Quote from: Backslash on September 02, 2007, 03:10:48 pm
It is really silly IMO, especially when watching someone else's ship do it in multiplayer. I (and Turey :yes:) added an option that fixes this:
in ai_profiles.tbl, add to the end:
Code: [Select]
$use newtonian dampening: YESThis only works on builds made after 2007.07.19
I'm hoping to convince the BtRL crew that this option is necessary ;)

Actually, with the changes to Glide, I don't see it as being needed for BtRL. The problem wasn't seeing them move at this speed while turning, but watching them use Glide to turn this sideways momentum into forward momentum. With the Glide speed cap, you can't do this, and you can still dodge the BtRL missiles (with this newtonian dampening, it slows you down while turning to the point where you can't dodge them anymore.)
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: ARSPR on September 03, 2007, 02:05:22 am: Well, I don't know if it has something to do with this, but enemy fighters (Cylons or something like that ???) move extremely fast (turning) till you hit them the very first time, then they slow down quite a lot. At least for me it seems quite unrealistic...
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: jr2 on September 03, 2007, 03:26:45 am: Quote from: Flipside on September 02, 2007, 05:15:57 pm
Edit: Or maybe Tri-chording?

:yes: ... hold down the slide in one direction whilst applying acceleration = 1337 :cool:
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Mars on September 03, 2007, 05:03:14 pm: Is it the same code that causes this to happen in both FS2 and the Descents
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: Topgun on September 06, 2007, 10:01:36 am: Quote from: Mars on September 03, 2007, 05:03:14 pm
Is it the same code that causes this to happen in both FS2 and the Descents
no. not really anyway.
Title: Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Post by: jr2 on September 07, 2007, 03:28:50 am: IDK, but there is some Descent code in FS. *shrugs* not sure if any of it was left un-altered, though.