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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: diceman111 on September 04, 2007, 05:20:36 pm
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Ok I havent seen a topic on this game here but I just want to say that I cant wait after that trailer and reading some of the information on the website.
However it didnt say wheter or not is was going to be released for the PC just Next-Gen consoles.
Link: http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed
/Dice
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Consoles Only. Unless they pull a Halo.
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Is it just me or are Force users becoming more and more powerfull with every SW game...
what's next? Pushing a planet into the Sun?
[vader]The Power to destroy a planet is INSIGNIFICANT compared to the Force![/vader]
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Mmm, it does seem odd considering it's set during Vaders time and he was supposed to be hugely powerful - more so even than Palpatine.
There's probably some back story to why this is all happening that I haven't read or whatever. There's a lot of books out there etc. and I imagine there's an answer somewhere.
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well it said on the website that the game was being developed by LucasArts and Light&Magic (think that the name of the special effectcompany) and george lucas was supervising the development so it will proberly make some sense but proberly only towards the movies since I dont think that anything other than those counts as canon.(I may be wrong)
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Is it just me or are Force users becoming more and more powerfull with every SW game...
It's actually more that the games are more finally reaching the level of things as seen in the movies or books; limitations prevented them until recently. Jedi can do a whole crapload of things that don't easily translate into game mechanics.
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In some cases that's true - but this is the first time I've seen any Jedi pull a Star Destroyer out of its flight.
To put it another way - in the latest films where Yoda was CG and they could do anything with him - he struggled to move some of the heavier bulkheads and big mechanical stuff about during fights (like the end of the second film, where he fights Dooku).
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Is it just me or are Force users becoming more and more powerfull with every SW game...
what's next? Pushing a planet into the Sun?
That's my problem with TFL, too. It's simply too much, and inconsistent.
I dont think that anything other than those counts as canon
A lot of stuff are canon - novels, comics, and unfortunately, games. TFL will also be as canon as any other games, maybe excluding Rebel Assault.
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In some cases that's true - but this is the first time I've seen any Jedi pull a Star Destroyer out of its flight.
Well, Knight Hammer did get shoved from Yavin IV orbit to the outer edges of the system, but that took the combined effort of the whole academy.
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In my opinion what I've seen in Force Unleashed hype videos/bullshots, that's more like what I would call force... not the stupid arcane magic tricks that were supposed to be force powers in, say, KOTOR games. Apart from the Destroy Droid and Force Wave, it was always faster to just hack the living enemies to pieces with light saber/s or Baragwin assault blade+Bacca's Sword combo.
Also there is the fact that the closest to even-grounded full Force battle we've seen was between Palpatine and Yoda in Revenge. That should give a pretty good gauge at what force users can do at a battle..."So I threw the senate at him. The whole senate! True story!" ;7
Mmm, it does seem odd considering it's set during Vaders time and he was supposed to be hugely powerful - more so even than Palpatine.
Vader at his prime was hugely more powerful than Palpatine, but I reckon being roasted and treated back to live (at least partially) reduced his biomass rather substantially, thus also reducing the available midi-chlorians in his body. Their concentration of them was still off the scale in the parts that were left so the control remained as good as always, but some of the sheer amount of force power was lost AFAIK.
Luke, though, was/is supposedly as strong as his father at his prime, considering he only lost one of his hands... the reason why Vader owned him in Empire was their huge difference in experience and thus control over the force available to them. At even ground and both using the dark side of the force, Luke was the stronger one in Return of the Jedi (and since there is no actual difference in the power of dark and light side, this should also be a reliable gauge at their relative strengths at that point, should they both have used the light side of the Force).
Curiously, even battered and tired, Vader was still strong enough to toss the Emperor to that reactor shaft (although some of that may have to be credited to him being "more machine than man" at that point), but Luke was rather helpless against the Force lightning from Palpatine. Which leads me to think that Luke simply didn't know how the hell to stop the Force lightning, seeing how relatively easy it was for both Yoda and Master Windu in Revenge.
Further down the line, in the extended universe... enter Kyp Durron, who was even more powerful then Luke and thus also stronger than Anakin, which is a lot considering that Anakin was supposedly the prophesized midi-chlorian spawn that brought balance to the force.
Anyway, I'm getting off the topic again... the red line is that Palpatine and Yoda were able to do substantial damage to the surroundings they tossed at each other. Anakin and Luke are stronger in Force, and so are some others. In that perspective, the force abilities in Force Unleashed seem more "realistic" than, say, the already mentioned magic tricks in KOTOR. I never played Dark Forces series (sigh) so I can't really say anything from there... Although I seriously doubt that Palpatine or Vader would have actually kept someone more powerful than them around as Emperor's Hand or in any other role, so there should be som pretty damn good explanation as to why the hell the main character in this game is so strong.
And a single jedi pushing star destroyers around makes absolutely no sense at all. Except if there's a really clever plot device in it. Like saying that the ship in question was not on stabile orbit yet and the clever Jedi simply remote disabled the engines. :p
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And a single jedi pushing star destroyers around makes absolutely no sense at all. Except if there's a really clever plot device in it. Like saying that the ship in question was not on stabile orbit yet and the clever Jedi simply remote disabled the engines. :p
I was about to say... if you've read the "Revenge of the Sith" book, you note that Obi-Wan was able to reverse the polarity of Grievous' mechanical arms. With more Force power and control (esp. control) I imagine this Jedi could have like you said, disabled, reduced the power to, or otherwise modified / crippled the engine output... or maybe even just surging the power at some point to trip their equivalent of a breaker. IDK.
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Meh, I subscribe to the idea of Jedi being as strong as portrayed in the Tartakovsky's Clone Wars series. Mace Windu taking out a couple hundred Super-Battledroids with his bare ****ing hands ftw!
Finally, Jedi actually deserve the reputation and respect they seem to possess in the movies.
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I prefer how the force works in I, Jedi and Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future.
this game just looks silly. too prequel-excessive.
also, it will probably cause continuity errors, and if there's more of those the SW universe is going to implode.
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Blah! LA has become a hive of scum and villainy.
They blatantly ripped off the ISD mesh used in the SW:TFU trailer from a damn good modeler. (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/general-discussion/31044-something-amusing.html)
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Someone go get FractalSponge to work for us? Or is that a bad idea?
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I was under the impression Luke got lightning fried in Jedi because he had never seen such a thing before, so he wasn't exactly expecting blue bolts of lightning to come flying at him, and after the first shock, well, you're screwed.
The ISD in the trailer was flying at so low an orbit, I'd be suprised if it wasn't crashing anyway.
But why the hell is Darth Vader's sith apprentice blowing up ISDs anyway?
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...and TIEs and Storm Troopers???
IIRC, can't Star Destroyers land on planetary ports?
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But why the hell is Darth Vader's sith apprentice blowing up ISDs anyway?
Most likely for the same reason why most serious enemies in TIE Fighter were flying Imperial hardware (Harkov/Zaarin campaigns). Traitors seem to be a big problem in the Empire...
Or maybe it was target practice. :lol: It's not like they have a shortage of Stormtroopers and TIE's...
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Yah, totalitarian regimes do tend to breed corruption (and rebellions :drevil: ).
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...and TIEs and Storm Troopers???
IIRC, can't Star Destroyers land on planetary ports?
The Victory was the last (and first) of the Star Destroyer series capable of entering a planetary atmosphere, let alone landing. (Vics can't land, but can hover for close-in bombardment missions.) If an ISD enters a planetary atmosphere on a world anything like what we'd think of as normal, the best it's going to do is burn up a bit (not much, shields will probably protect it most of the way down) and then do a good impression of crashing a sportscar into Ayer's Rock.
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The Victory was the last (and first) of the Star Destroyer series capable of entering a planetary atmosphere, let alone landing. (Vics can't land, but can hover for close-in bombardment missions.) If an ISD enters a planetary atmosphere on a world anything like what we'd think of as normal, the best it's going to do is burn up a bit (not much, shields will probably protect it most of the way down) and then do a good impression of crashing a sportscar into Ayer's Rock.
Actually, Venator-class Star Destroyer (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer) (AKA Republic Attack Cruiser or Imperial Attack Cruiser depending on timeframe) was capable of not only operating in an atmosphere, but also landing for loading troops and equipment. It was introduced about the same time as Victory I-class Star Destroyer. Even earlier, Acclamator I-class assault ships (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acclamator_I-class_assault_ship) were able to do the same, although they weren't really part of the actual Star Destroyer line of developement, but they were the predecessor to star destroyers as we know them in the movie era. For example, it inspired the familiar wedge shape of the later "true" Star Destroyer series.
Venators are the ships that were loading clone troopers in the end if the Attack of the Clones, if I'm not much mistaken.
:p
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Venators are the ships that were loading clone troopers in the end if the Attack of the Clones, if I'm not much mistaken.
If I may out-nerd you for a second, the ships in Attack of the Clones were actually Acclamator I's:
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/6/68/Acclamators-ST2.jpg/600px-Acclamators-ST2.jpg)
You're probably confusing the scene with a similar scene in Revenge of the Sith:
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/6/6f/Venator_takeoff.jpg/600px-Venator_takeoff.jpg)
Those, my friend, are Venators. Which, incidentally, I always thought were called Venerators. :nervous:
Too much time playing EvilleJedi's Star Wars: Warlords mod for Homeworld2, methinks.
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Arg! Out-nerded! :shaking: I'm glad that I left myself an opening with the "if I'm not much mistaken" phrase... Only a sith believes in absoluties.
:lol:
You're right, Venators weren't introduced until 20 BBY along with Victory-I's... Battle of Geonosis was in 22 BBY. Thanks for correction.
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Mmm, it does seem odd considering it's set during Vaders time and he was supposed to be hugely powerful - more so even than Palpatine.
There's probably some back story to why this is all happening that I haven't read or whatever. There's a lot of books out there etc. and I imagine there's an answer somewhere.
I bet it has something to do with the title itself.. the "appreantice2 maby IS the Force unleashed in it's truest sense.
Still, I smell crap.
EDIT - that star destroyer wasn't chrashing of falling down. Looked like it was flying perfectly straight, even trying to correct course and pull away from the force pull...
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Seems odd that I just mentioned in another thread how Feist got carried away with making his characters more and more powerful until it got silly, I'll agree, this seems to be suffering from the same problem.
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The thing that I dont get is that they must finish off the playe in the game or something since he clearly wasent alive during episode IV-VI or else he would be hunting luke.
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The same will happen to Vader's apprentice as happened to Jaden Korr - the protagonist of Jedi Academy. He will be featured once, do a lot of great things, and disappear.
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since its clear that there are alot of Star-Wars fans here (I like star wars but not to the same degree it seems) you wouldent happend to have any good book suggestions for the star wars universe, where in the Sci-Fi bookstore in the city where I live but they had so much star-wars and star trek book i didnt know what to choose.
Any suggestions would be much apreciated.
P.S I have only seen the movies and played most of the star wars game for PC
/Dice
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Looks like a cool game. Would probably buy it.
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The only star wars novels I've read were Timothy Zahn Heir to the Empire Trilogy, and they were very well done.
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X-Wing books FTW!
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Ok just finished reading X-Wing Rogue squadron (was a bit short) and thought it was really good, will start X-Wing Wedges Gamble soon and then i will have to buy the next few book in the series
/Dice
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The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn is good, yes. (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command).
My favorite is still Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader by James Luceno.
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My favorite is still Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader by James Luceno.
What's so good about it?
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The way it is written, and what it is about.
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Further down the line, in the extended universe... enter Kyp Durron, who was even more powerful then Luke and thus also stronger than Anakin, which is a lot considering that Anakin was supposedly the prophesized midi-chlorian spawn that brought balance to the force.
Kyp durron wasn't more powerful, he was being aided by Exar Kun.
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luke really hides his power. he is the absolute most powerful jedi in history, so the lure of the dark side for him is immense. he realizes this in Specter of the Past/Vision of the Future.
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luke really hides his power. he is the absolute most powerful jedi in history, so the lure of the dark side for him is immense. he realizes this in Specter of the Past/Vision of the Future.
What about Jacen Solo?
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he never got a chance to be a jedi, accepted SW history ends just after the book Survivors Quest.
everything after that is the book version of prequel trash.
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What about Jacen Solo?
Never seen anything that proves Jacen to be remarkably powerful; Anakin Solo perhaps, but not Jacen.
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Kyp durron wasn't more powerful, he was being aided by Exar Kun.
Well, he produced a hell of a reaction to the force sensitivity testing that Skywalker (or was it someone else) developed. Although I'm not sure if anyone ever tested Luke in the same manner, and I might have assumed too much. Oh well, he himself does/did consider himself more powerful than Luke. Or, the testing method was flawed somehow. Perhaps the Spice Dust enhanced the initial reaction when Kyp was tested either on or soon after leaving Kessel mining facilities... :lol:
At any rate, many sources [citation needed] tend to say that Anakin Skywalker was the most force sensitive being who ever existed, and others say that Luke shares the same power level with his father... where that leaves Leia is never told as far as I know, but she never trained whole-heartedly anyway, and her capabilities might have been directed on making negotiations work out for her side.
However, different jedi had different abilities regardless of their power level. Perhaps this particular force user just has extremely efficient way to use force in telekinesis or something just as hackish.
As for the Skywalker offspring and their relative strengths... I have no idea. :p
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Never seen anything that proves Jacen to be remarkably powerful; Anakin Solo perhaps, but not Jacen.
I've never read any SW novels, but from what I've read in diferent sources (wikipedia, wookiepedia, starwars main website, etc...), the guy has more knowledge about the force than anyone.
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Well, he produced a hell of a reaction to the force sensitivity testing that Skywalker (or was it someone else) developed. Although I'm not sure if anyone ever tested Luke in the same manner, and I might have assumed too much. Oh well, he himself does/did consider himself more powerful than Luke. Or, the testing method was flawed somehow. Perhaps the Spice Dust enhanced the initial reaction when Kyp was tested either on or soon after leaving Kessel mining facilities... :lol:
IIRC, at the end of the Jedi Academy triology (...I think, it's been a while) Luke used a machine to test Kyp's force sensitivity or whatever, it was a device that had been invented during the Jedi Purge to take out force potentials when they were nice and young. Anyway, the reading from that was off the charts, considerably higher than Lukes. Not to mention another test, or perhaps a related test, when Kyp accidentally blew Luke across the room and nearly sent him off the edge of a rather high building on Coruscant.
Anyway, been a long while, but from what I remember he was pretty ****ing powerful. And this was stated before he was corrupted by Exar Kun if my memory serves me right.
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Never seen anything that proves Jacen to be remarkably powerful; Anakin Solo perhaps, but not Jacen.
I've never read any SW novels, but from what I've read in diferent sources (wikipedia, wookiepedia, starwars main website, etc...), the guy has more knowledge about the force than anyone.
He knows more, yes, because he learned everything Luke had to teach, and then went and joined up with a Sith...
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I only read the first page, and forgive me if I sound incredibly stupid for that, but all you people who think a Jedi can't push a planet into a sun or redirect an ISD, remember Yoda's words to Luke on Dagobah as he lifts the X-wing out of the swamp: "Size matters not."
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Tell that to Yoda when he was trying to keep the pillar that Count Dooku tore down off of Obi-Wan and Anakin.
BTW, I heard somewhere that Han Solo actually had enough Force potential to become a Jedi, but didn't really care to. (Which would explain his being able to shoot Greedo first when Greedo was a veteran bounty hunter, and his ability to fly the Falcon through the Kessel Run, and fly it through asteroid fields, his ability to know there was danger inside the asteroid critter...;) ).
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:nervous:
EXTENDED UNIVERSE SUCK0RZ!
:warp:
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DIE!
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Tell that to Yoda when he was trying to keep the pillar that Count Dooku tore down off of Obi-Wan and Anakin.
BTW, I heard somewhere that Han Solo actually had enough Force potential to become a Jedi, but didn't really care to. (Which would explain his being able to shoot Greedo first when Greedo was a veteran bounty hunter, and his ability to fly the Falcon through the Kessel Run, and fly it through asteroid fields, his ability to know there was danger inside the asteroid critter...;) ).
This is so obviously fanon. Han Solo did not have a milimeter of Force-sensivity.
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He [Jacen] knows more, yes, because he learned everything Luke had to teach, and then went and joined up with a Sith...
Wait, you mean Luke didn't join the cloned Emperor briefly and turn to dark side as well...? :wtf:
;)
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This is so obviously fanon. Han Solo did not have a milimeter of Force-sensivity.
Do check that out.... I trust the source. (But who knows about his source.) He had all the SW books etc (well, alot of them) and novels.
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Wait, you mean Luke didn't join the cloned Emperor briefly and turn to dark side as well...? :wtf:
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Luke never earned a "Darth" title.
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Isn't that more like a formal title of a Sith lord? It's absence does not necessarily mean that the character wasn't a fully matured dark side user, just that he never took the title for one reason or another.
Exar Kun comes to mind as a good example of a Sith without the Darth title apparent in his name, as well as many other Sith/Dark side masters... Ajunta Pall and the other merry men whose tombs are/were in Korriban, Witches of Dathomir, Joruus C'Baoth (who, granted, was more than a bit insane).
EDIT: cut one sentence of misinformation away. :rolleyes:
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This is so obviously fanon. Han Solo did not have a milimeter of Force-sensivity.
Do check that out.... I trust the source. (But who knows about his source.) He had all the SW books etc (well, alot of them) and novels.
Owning books doesn't verify anything, not to mention that not ALL books are canon. There are a lot of weird, real inconceivable stories like Infinities that are not canon, or only a small part is canon. Han Solo was not Force-sensible, it is your friend that should check it out. Find the source and check its canonicity. I guess he must have read a lot of SuperShadow.
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All creatures dull and ugly* are sensitive to the Force to some degree in the galaxy far, far away. AFAIK, the living force affects creatures connected to it; some who are connected to it stronger than others can sense it guiding them, or even guide the force to varying extent. Those are the Jedi.
Seeing how damn incredibly lucky Mr. Solo was/is during his entire life, I'd say that the force guided him a bit stronger than some others. Or you might say it was unconscious use of the Force... it's impossible to know for sure whether or not he would have had enough sensitivity to learn to control the force, but there are pointers that he was more sensitive to it than your average Star Wars alien. Even though he called it a hokey pokey religion.
*Except the Yuuzhan Vong, and even that was artificial if I reckon right... :nervous:
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Seeing how damn incredibly lucky Mr. Solo was/is during his entire life, I'd say that the force guided him a bit stronger than some others. Or you might say it was unconscious use of the Force... it's impossible to know for sure whether or not he would have had enough sensitivity to learn to control the force, but there are pointers that he was more sensitive to it than your average Star Wars alien. Even though he called it a hokey pokey religion.
I recall a quote from I, Jedi, regarding Tycho Celchu and Wedge Antilles, and the fact that one for one in a fighter battle they were as good, or better, than a Jedi. (Corran Horn couldn't handle Tycho despite Jedi training and having a more manuverable ship over Xa Fel.) Not because the Force was connected to them; they were simply that good. Another one comes to mind on Mara Jade's comment to Exar Kun about his torture technique; "Isard would have had you analyzed, digitized, and discarded without a thought, and she wasn't even Force sensative."
Some people are simply exceptional enough to do as well or better than a Jedi. Generally only in one area, but not always.
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Yes, but you're talking about skill and experience, and while Mr. Solo certainly had loads of those as well, I'm talking about luck here. He was usually in the right place at the right time considering the big picture of his life (although he might have disagreed with being lucky for most of time...). In small things the chance was apparently on his side ("I can already see a lot better!" and "Boba Fett?! Where?!" come to mind as prime examples of this).
And as we have been told, in SW galaxy far far away there is no luck, there's just Force... Those above average connection with the Force are usually lucky.
Mr. Solo definitely did have a lot of features that were often associated with potential force-sensitives. He's lucky, good in combat, has good intuition, can keep the Millennium Falcon flying even though it looks like it's gonna fall apart at a moment's notice, and I can't imagine Mr. Solo's mind giving in to Jedi Mind tricks or Force persuasion. Plus, his and Leia's children all were strong in the Force, and even though I havent got any idea of how the genetics of force potential go, I don't think the odds of completely force-insensitive male and Skywalker-strength female having three Skywalker-sensitive kids is very high... or something.*
All this migh have been a fluke (or plot devices) but I find it at leat partially credible possibility that he was somewhat more force-sensitive than regular humans. Whether or not it would have sufficed to be taken to Jedi training, either in the days of Old or New Republic, I haven't got the faintest idea.
*Meh. Reality check - it's magic science fiction, real science is not applicable to SW universe so I'm mostly just wasting my time, but at least it's fun. :p
Is ther eany canon evidence of Solo's force-sensitivity at all? Forth or against? :nervous:
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If his Force-sensivity is not mentioned in any canonical source - or defied in a source that is higher in SW canon hierarchy - then he is not Force-sensitive. If he were SUPPOSED to be Force-sensitive, it would have been revealed already.
Why do you insist so much on Solo being Force-sensitive? That you're lucky and have good instincts does not mean a thing. There are many characters with exceptional skills and talents who were not Force-sensitive.
By the way, you are right about most creatures being connected to the Force, but being connected (surrounded) by the Force does not mean you can sense it. It is like listening to a radio from 100 meters, volume level normal. Your ears may not be good enough to actually hear anything, but most animals, whose ears are more sophisticated than those of a human are able to hear what the radio is saying.
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I don't mean to insist anything. Just saying that being lucky and having fast reflexes etcetera are amongst the signs of potential force-sensitivity. Whether or not they are examples of coincidences for the character's behalf and him having exceptional physical properties or mental skills without being force-sensitive, or actual manifestations of force-sensitivity, we have no way of knowing.
You could see it like this - if an old republic Jedi would have tumbled upon Han Solo, what would he or she have thought when looking at Mr. Solo's antics for a while? My bet is that he or she would have definitely tested his midi-chlorian count and at least ask some questions and stuff. Whether or not they would have found him force-sensitive or just a statistical anomaly, remains to everyone's imagination.
Interpretations, people. Interpretations. Means that you form your own idea of what goes on in the story. Even though there hasn't apparently been any canon mention about Mr. Solo's force-sensitivity being slightly more than average, doesn't mean a thing for or against.
The Jedi learn to let the Force guide their movements. Is it so far-fetched to think that since the Force is connected to and generated by all beings, Mr. Solo's connection could possibly be just a tad bit more than average, which would mean that the Force would guide him unconsciously a bit more than average sentient in SW universe? He definitely does not consciously sense the force, nor can he affect it like the Jedi can, but that does not mean the Force could not affect him.
It would enable him to "read people" better than average person. Make him suspicious when something fishy is going on. Improve response time. Guide his hand to get a pot shot at a moving tentacle monster past his friend held by said tentacles, half-blind (I mean, is this normal for anyone?). There are other examples as well. They might be coincidences and just general signs of Han Solo's awesomeness, but I generally don't believe in coincidences.
Not to mention that force sensitivity in SW universe could actually been as an explanation for things such as luck... Those with a bit better force-sensitivity than others are sometimes "guided" more than others, making them appear luckier... or unluckier, or otherwise exceptional. Obi-Wan certainly thinks that there's no such thing as luck... And Mace Windu has stated that there is no such thing as coincidence. Which is pretty much the same thing.
Besides, it's a better explanation for Character Shield than most others. :p
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There are no such things as midi-chlorians. It was all just a bad dream. :p
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If his Force-sensivity is not mentioned in any canonical source - or defied in a source that is higher in SW canon hierarchy - then he is not Force-sensitive. If he were SUPPOSED to be Force-sensitive, it would have been revealed already.
Why do you insist so much on Solo being Force-sensitive? That you're lucky and have good instincts does not mean a thing. There are many characters with exceptional skills and talents who were not Force-sensitive.
By the way, you are right about most creatures being connected to the Force, but being connected (surrounded) by the Force does not mean you can sense it. It is like listening to a radio from 100 meters, volume level normal. Your ears may not be good enough to actually hear anything, but most animals, whose ears are more sophisticated than those of a human are able to hear what the radio is saying.
All humans in SW are canonically Force-sensitive, IIRC. Just most don't have enough midi-chlorians to do squat about it... so, someone with enough midi-chlorians could become a Jedi. Someone with above average midi-chlorians would be able to do impressive things, if he was tuned in enough (had enough control over it). However, if my friend was correct, Solo was powerful enough to become a Jedi. (I wish I still had a way to contact my friend, it's been 9 or so years since I've talked to him! :( ) Ofc, I have no clue if any of this is canon or not, because I can't ask my friend for his source.
EDIT: If one was going to hunt someone they used to be in contact with down, what resource would one use? ;7 His family was in the military (Air Force); they used to live in South Korea, and I lost track of them shortly afterwards... I'll have to go digging in my old stuff and see if I can retrieve his parent's e-mail addy. (He didn't have one at the time.)
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...Guide his hand to get a pot shot at a moving tentacle monster past his friend held by said tentacles, half-blind (I mean, is this normal for anyone?)....
It's a movie, where heroes do do exceptional things. And don't forget that Lando guided him. Without Lando's guidance, Solo would have hit Lando instead of the sarlacc. The Jedi younglings of Bear Clan in Episode II could deflect blaster bolts with their lightsabers even if they were "blind" because of the helmet they wore. Any average Jedi youngling could do that. Where is Solo's deed compared to this? Even if Luke had 100 years to training Solo in the Jedi way, it would not have had any result. He was not Force-sensitive. He was living in the Force, like any entity in the Star Wars galaxy, but he could not touch it. Simply being lucky or very good at something does not mean Force-sensivity. It could be a sign, yes, but nothing more.
All humans in SW are canonically Force-sensitive, IIRC. Just most don't have enough midi-chlorians to do squat about it...
No, no, no! If you are Force-sensitive, you can become a Jedi. Only a very-very minor part of the galaxy's population was Force-sensitive. The rest wasn't.
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I beg to differ. The Jedi were but the cream of the crop in my opinion... In the Old Republic Jedi Order, there were a lot of younglings trained in the Jedi Temple who never were selected for Padawan training; they were not taken as padawans because of multitude of reasons but mostly I bet it was because while they were force-sensitive, there were people better suited to being Jedi Knights, so they were sent to menial task forces to do whatever, from agriculture to some security forces I would think.
Like with any other skill or attribute, force-sensitivity is obviously not an on/off feature. After some point, the being becomes aware of the force, and I concur to the point that Han Solo hardly exceeded this limit, especially without training and meditation. He might have become aware of the force, to some extent, with training from young age... his sensitivity might or might not have been enough to become a Jedi, we don't know.
So, it's a question of definitions - if you want to define "force-sensitivity" as an ability to be aware of the force, then so be it. My definition to force-sensitivity is a bit more loose - to me it just a position somewhere on the line between a shrimp and Anakin/Luke Skywalker. Granted, there might have been Jedi Shrimps, but I find it a little far-fetched, even despite Yoda's continuous bitter talk about size being unimportant.
Obviously personality also affects how much of the force potential the person is able to use - ability to concentrate and dedicate themselves to training, and so forth. If one believed the Force to be hokey-pokey religion, they would hardly try to use it consciously. Unconscious guidance from the Force is another thing. And I find it plausible to think that Han Solo might have had better force-sensitivity than your average Corellian smuggler, but not enough for him to spontaneously start sensing the Force and consciously use it. Or maybe not, but in that case the character shield problem remains a glaring huge plot hole. If Han Solo was even somewhat more sensitive to force, his good luck in firefights would have at least some degree of credibility.
But I've made my opinion clear enough already. Perhaps someone should ask about it from Lucas or something. Although I have a feeling that the answer would be something along the lines that anyone can form their own opinion about what's going on there...
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All humans in SW are canonically Force-sensitive, IIRC. Just most don't have enough midi-chlorians to do squat about it...
midi-chlorians DON'T exist!!!!!!!!!
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And don't forget that Lando guided him. Without Lando's guidance, Solo would have hit Lando instead of the sarlacc. Where is Solo's deed compared to this? Right up there with Luke's first lightsaber practice drill :p I win. Even if Luke had 100 years to training Solo in the Jedi way, it would not have had any result. See previous comment.
All humans in SW are canonically Force-sensitive, IIRC. Just most don't have enough midi-chlorians to do squat about it...
midi-chlorians DON'T exist!!!!!!!!!
I was speaking SW canonically, so, canonically, that's BS 403. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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Stop dignifying Lucas' brainfart, you. :P
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Hey, it makes perfect sense to me!
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no PC version of this then?
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edit: removed trolling
It sucks that there won't be a pc version.
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Something to add to the luke vs kyp debate:
Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allowed him to fight his way through countless Yuuzhan Vong warriors in the Sacred Precinct. After defeating numerous Yuuzhan Vong warriors in the Citadel Luke defeated more than five Slayers; while Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, could not best even the Slayers who were exposed to Alpha Red. Afterwards, Luke slew Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who was stated to be the best warrior of the Yuuzhan Vong, despite just being injured by the poison of the Scepter of Power.
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Luke's abilities with a lightsaber...
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Impressive. Most impressive.
Well, I guess that kinda ends the debate about their relative abilities... :p
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YARR!! You be mockin' me? avast! I really can't tell, And hoist the mainsail!