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Apparently it's pretty good.
I'll be getting my copy tomorrow hopefully. After I run through the campaign solo, I'll be up for co-op/multi-player.
GT: Echo Eagle
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My brother is getting it tomorrow as well (he uses the tag SP2000). I'm not much into consoles myself and don't really care about it.
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My brother is getting it tomorrow as well (he uses the tag SP2000). I'm not much into consoles myself and don't really care about it.
Heh, he's already on my friends list. He sent me a FR when browsing HLP apparently.
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I probably will later this week if there are any copies to be had.
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Probably at Christmas. Looks really nice...reviews are generally positive although everyone says they hate the last mission. No spoilers but I guess I'll have to see for myself what happens.
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I have a copy reserved... but who knows when I can pick it up, since I do not wish to stand in line for 3+ hours to get it on release day.
Add that to the fact that I reserved a copy in my hometown... but my college is not in my hometown... :sigh:
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Already played through it. Campaign mode is good, but not great.
Not so serious spoilers:
The campaign feels thrown together, and the last mission is basically the last mission of Halo with the Arbiter in it. Lots of the music is just reused from Halo 1/2. The ending doesn't explain much, it's just got that "everyone goes home" feeling.
Serious spoilers:
As you may have guessed, John 117 dies. What may be surprising is that Cortana dies with him, and the Arbiter lives.
Forge and Multilayer altogether are excellent. I think that shows what their focus was in Halo 3.
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Had the Limited edition reserved at best buy for a few months, and I drive right past it when i go to college every day, so I'll be grabbing it on the way there tomorrow. the helmet and stuff is cool for the Legendary edition, but I don't have the extra money to spend on it.
Gamertag is Hippo117
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Had the Limited edition reserved at best buy for a few months
Have you read this (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192476)? Sounds menacing.
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yeah, I saw a video on IGN of the guy opening his total legendary + halo3 themes 360 package and the disk was scratched to hell. I'll be opening it before leaving the store to make sure there's nothing blatantly obtrusive on it
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i dont like getting into games with previous prequels that i havent played. i cant play something 3 without playing something 1 and 2. sence my annual game budget isnt that big, no. i wont touch halo with a 10 foor pole. i also get this gut feeling that its an overrated piece of crap. compaired to some of the things ive seen with the idtech4 engine (doom 3, quake 4, prey to name a few). and with quake wars comming out ive got better things to do.
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http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=251
there's spoilers in the comments on that article, so beware, but the whole thing is a spoof by sony to overdramatize the issue
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I played Halo 1 and thought it was very overrated, so I'm not bothering with 2 or 3.
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Should be getting it tomorrow sometime.
GT: xphreaky
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Getting it tomorrow sometime around evening
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H3 PC? Oh, no? Well, nvm then... at least until I know for sure the X360 can be hacked into a Linux box and turned back with the flip of a switch and M$ won't be any wiser... and I have more spare $$$. :doubt:
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Oh and I'll be getting a bought copy tomorrow if I can find one.
Gamertag: swantz
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I changed my mind and will be going to pick it up about 0030, as the line should be mostly gone ish and i'm obsessively bored
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Oh and I'll be getting a bought copy tomorrow if I can find one.
Gamertag: swantz
FR sent. :)
Should be getting it tomorrow sometime.
GT: xphreaky
You too.
EDIT: Got your FR Hippo. Hopefully I find a present in my mail tomorrow. ;)
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own it. the word superawesomeomgsexpwn comes to mind
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They were short of the Limited Edition, so they gave me a regular to go along with. Not too bad at all.
A lot of the voices sound really, really familiar for some reason. Keyes and some of the marines, namely.
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Will wait for a PC edition, if there ever comes ones otherwise i will just have to borrow my friend's 360 did that for Halo 2
/Dice
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They were short of the Limited Edition, so they gave me a regular to go along with. Not too bad at all.
A lot of the voices sound really, really familiar for some reason. Keyes and some of the marines, namely.
Firefly fan? If so, no wonder. :D
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*twitch* forcing myself to wait till I am back from CO (next week) before picking up a copy...
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Firefly fan? If so, no wonder. :D
*Looks up voice cast in manual*
Holy ****! I have a newfound respect for this game. :yes:
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I was weak, so much for waiting.
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Oh and I'll be getting a bought copy tomorrow if I can find one.
Gamertag: swantz
FR sent. :)
Should be getting it tomorrow sometime.
GT: xphreaky
You too.
EDIT: Got your FR Hippo. Hopefully I find a present in my mail tomorrow. ;)
It'll be Thursday night before I get to my 360 again, so don't be surprised if there's a delay. :p
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Well, I still haven't got my copy yet so we're in the same boat.
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Yet to bother with an Xbox360. Might look into it after Christmas. Or see what the reaction is to Halo3.
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I'm extremely impressed.
Almost the entire game you were going from one epic fight to another, interjected only by some smaller ones or some **** with the flood (who are more fun to fight now too, though the parts on the flood infested high charity are annoying because its easy to get lost). But constantly running from one fight to another with plenty or targets, marine interaction, and really pretty explosions was awesome. Matchmaking is also awesome because it took what was good about halo 2 matchmaking (not a ton) and made it all better.
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Looks like they borrowed in game coop joining ala Gears.
So far it is not dissapointing.
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GT: ubermetroid
:D
Hit me up if you want to coop the game.
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Do any of you ppl have a capture card on your PC? .... just wondering if I could bribe or threaten you into posting some screenies. ;7 Puhleeeaase??
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Why would you need a capture card?
Bungie Online is your friend:
http://www.bungie.net/forums/topics.aspx?forumID=127675
EDIT: Also, looks like some server somewhere exploded, matchmaking got screwed.
Or altenatively:
(http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1353/1190542236.jpg)
^Such a gorgeous level.
Graphically, the game is a mixed bag - indoors it's pretty bland, and some of the models are pretty low detail. But once you get outside and you have so many characters on screen at once, it's easier to understand why characters are a lower detail. And the HDR implementation here is just lovely. And a warning for those playing on LCD tvs with native res of 768, get the VGA cable so you don't get scaling with tends to exacerbate aliasing.
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you can take screens off the films of everything that are accessible on bungie.net under your friends gamertags, but they don't seem to be updating yet
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w00t! My family back home was kind enough to pick up my copy of Halo, so I'll get to it Friday afternoon!
Gamertag: SolDarkHunter (cause "Dark Hunter" was already taken :mad:)
I probably won't have Live come Sunday afternoon, since I don't know if I can hook the Xbox up to this school's network (I can't hook up the Wii... so who knows?).
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Just beat it, although campaign is short gameplay and story wise halo 3 is better than both halo 1 and 2
Tip: stay through till after the credits for a little more story
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Just finished it. Good, but not great. Certainly not as good as all the hoo-hah, but at least it wasn't nearly as overhyped as Halo 2. I agree with Swantz in that it felt a little cobbled together, and way too many things were left either unexplained or completely ignored in favor of more explosions.
Anyway, it was nice that they've unabashedly set up a further sequel without making any obligations. It's a great universe Bungie has created here, and hopefully future games will be able to explore it a heck of a lot better than Halo 3 has.
Edit: Did anyone get a similar feeling that the game lacked the epic feel of the previous titles? I mean, there were plenty of "wow" moments, but there simply wasn't any grand, sweeping moments that really knocked you back onto your seat with a startled expression on your face. Seriously, I expected a hell of a lot more from the campaign of what is supposedly the reason incarnate to buy a 360.
Good? **** yeah. Killer app? Nope.
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^Multiplayer options (co-op and versus) makes it a "killer-app" far more than the campaign alone.
Also, what difficulty were you playing on? Apparently that makes a fairly significant difference in enemy count.
Personally, just seeing this, much less playing it, gives me chills:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1127/1441751308_92acf142ff_o.jpg)
Anyway, my biggest question is: how does it compare to Halo 1 and 2 campaign-wise? Right now I'm going in with average-expectations in the hope that the experience will not be tainted by hype.
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*Cough-bullshot-cough*
Anyway, yeah, I was playing on normal. The logical thing to do, really, and yet i've heard that they dumbed down normal to such a degree that i've now effectively ruined my gameplay experience by having played through on a lacklustre setting. Not happy, Jan.
And if you're wondering, the campaigns have been going downhill since the get-go. The campaign in Halo: CE was fan-****ing-tastic all-round, while Halo 2 saw a pretty good campaign weighed down only by the cheap ending. Halo 3 continues this trend, with an average campaign that's just piss-poor in comparison to its progenitors. Obvious even to the layman of the shift of effort to the multiplayer aspect while leaving us singleplayer fans out in the cold.
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*Cough-bullshot-cough*
Anyway, yeah, I was playing on normal. The logical thing to do, really, and yet i've heard that they dumbed down normal to such a degree that i've now effectively ruined my gameplay experience by having played through on a lacklustre setting. Not happy, Jan.
And if you're wondering, the campaigns have been going downhill since the get-go. The campaign in Halo: CE was fan-****ing-tastic all-round, while Halo 2 saw a pretty good campaign weighed down only by the cheap ending. Halo 3 continues this trend, with an average campaign that's just piss-poor in comparison to its progenitors. Obvious even to the layman of the shift of effort to the multiplayer aspect while leaving us singleplayer fans out in the cold.
Er... Howsit a bullshot?
But yeah, from what I've heard the campaign is severely stunted on normal. Other people I've asked love the campaign the best out of the three because of the more varied environments and such, but I guess I'll have to see for myself.
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thats an actual picture. i'll see if i can get a bunch of mine to upload
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Got any impressions you want to share Hippo? The wait is killing me. It better be in the mail when I get home...
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sheer amazing. storyline was the most important part to me, and it's all more or less fufilled. gameplay was second, and there's that feeling of a constant battle going on with large enough battles to give you a sense of importance, but smal enough to make it so you're the deciding factor. multiplayer is awesome, but i've not whored myself out to it yet, as i'm doing co-op with friends now
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that has got to be one of the most hideous uses of normal mapping in a game. ive seen better normal mapping in doom 3 mods :D
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Only played for about an hour, but so far I like it. Its not "amazing" but it is solid. From what I have read about the story, I'll be satisified with its "conclusion" and the acting is still top shelf. The Cortana moments feel a little borrowed from the action/horror games, not scary at all, just very reminisecent of flashbacks in some other games.
I like the scavenging of turrets, that makes the whole thing feel more interactive, and the new gadgets add some depth to the SP game. I love the return of the staple automatic rifle from Halo 1.
It so far is "more of the same" and I do not at all mind that. I think if you take the series as a whole, rather than any one game in it, your perspective might change. As a whole, the story is decent (if more than a little derivative), the acting is sold, the gameplay is consistent and fun, and if you want to play through "Halo" you have what, 20-30 hours of playtime, all of it coop-able in some way?
Gonna fire up XBL next week when i get back and try some coop and some multi. Beta was decent, so I expect few if any surprises. Not sure it will supplant Gears or Rainbow, but its got a shot at it, given how many people are STILL playing Halo 2.
Halo is best with friends ;)
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And if you're wondering, the campaigns have been going downhill since the get-go. The campaign in Halo: CE was fan-****ing-tastic all-round, while Halo 2 saw a pretty good campaign weighed down only by the cheap ending. Halo 3 continues this trend, with an average campaign that's just piss-poor in comparison to its progenitors. Obvious even to the layman of the shift of effort to the multiplayer aspect while leaving us singleplayer fans out in the cold.
Halo 2 really comes into its own in co-op play, which isn't quite the same thing as shorting the single-player experience to my mind. There are games that obvious had single play added as an afterthought, the Battlefield series comes to mind. Good co-op is vastly better than having focused it on player against player, if not quite as good as having a good single player experience.
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Well crap. I have to wait till at least tomorrow. :(
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And this is the best screenshot ever.
http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07393/155323-Full.jpg
Along with these:
(http://i20.tinypic.com/1e2e55.jpg)
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1290/04da4.jpg)
Hype. Rising. Damnit.
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Damn short game on an easier difficulty.
I am satisfied, story wise.
Good stuff.
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ledgendary is rough in single player, but a lot of fun in co-op. you and 2 or 3 friends can easily kill things as long as you work together, but if you seperate or egt caught alone, you get eaten alive
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Couldn't beat Halo Co-Op, back in the day. Never bothered with multi-play Halo2. Most of my best memories of multi-play are from Halo (1). That, the original Counter-Strike (even though I was ****) and UT2004.
I was alot more enthusiastic about games back then, though :doubt:
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Heroic is hard enough, probably going to co-op with my brother on legendary once we both beat the game, but with him at school and me full time working, it'll take a while to arrange something. Maybe once the weather gets crappier
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So I've gotten through to the Scarab fight on the Storm, and wow. I love that entrance.
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Finished the campaign on Normal, now going through on Heroic. Very fun, very satisfying. I don't see why people are compaining that it is not as good as they thought. I'm not going to go overboard and proclaim it "the greatest masterpiece in all of gaming", but it is a solid title that delivered exactly the kind of gameplay and challenge I expected.
I have not yet tried multiplayer. I've been slow to do so because I absolutely hated Halo 2's multiplayer. So: to those of you that have played it, is it the same lame kind of matchmaking Halo 2 had or does it actually allow you to choose which game you play? I don't want to waste money on renewing XboxLive if I'm not ever going to use it.
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The Master Chief revealed!!
(http://www.duke4.net/images/news/dukecheifcomic.jpg)
Anyhoo, i'm actually starting to get into the game now. Finished Heroic on Saturday, and Legendary is proving quite the challenge. Just got all the skulls, and the terminals scattered through The Ark, Covenant, and Halo are actually pretty damn interesting. It seems that a rampant AI is active in the Forerunner mainframe... or something. Would anyone know how I go about taking screenshots, given that something (or someone) scrambles that terminal data before I can read it all?
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watch the films in the theatre and you can go to first person and view it paused. its also only the first page taht get scrambled, the other 2-10 pages are advanced by pressing a or x
i found all the terminals, but i apparently forgot to read some pages of 2 of them so i cant get the acheivement
the IWHBYD skull is awesome to play with because you get obscure hilarious comments from marines and covanent you'd never hear otherwise
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watch the films in the theatre and you can go to first person and view it paused. its also only the first page taht get scrambled, the other 2-10 pages are advanced by pressing a or x
i found all the terminals, but i apparently forgot to read some pages of 2 of them so i cant get the acheivement
I'll try that, but when the first part is scrambled, it automatically moves on and you can no longer view the yellow/orange text at all without restarting the level. Also, you should have the achievement for just activating the terminal, not viewing every page.
the IWHBYD skull is awesome to play with because you get obscure hilarious comments from marines and covanent you'd never hear otherwise
Would that include "Say hello to Vera!" that an Adam Baldwin-voiced marine just yelled while I had the skull on?
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if you run out of time reading them, press B while the alarm is going off and you'll exit the terminal and can start it over, but its been confirmed online that you need to read every page (or at least flip to) untill you see "//fragment ends" on the last page, but 2 of them didnt seem to have one, so i'll have to try again (they were the ones in tower 1 and 3 of the covanent)... also, when you play on legendary there's a few additional pages in each
and yeah, iwhbyd makes all the more rare comments more common
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I still find the Marines come up with some new comments (both Halo & Halo2) even now.
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I'm a little surprised with the current incarnation of the Flood. They certainly feel more Flood-y now (I saw one Carrier Form, almost didn't recognize it, and I don't ever wanna see another one.). but some of the new forms caught me by surprise, trying to figure out wtf they came from.
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I'm a little surprised with the current incarnation of the Flood. They certainly feel more Flood-y now (I saw one Carrier Form, almost didn't recognize it, and I don't ever wanna see another one.). but some of the new forms caught me by surprise, trying to figure out wtf they came from.
I think the idea is that the Flood is evolving, producing new flood-forms that aren't merely mutations of other organisms. Namely, that weird trifecta of the spider flood-form, long-range sniper flood-form, and Hunter-esque juggernaut flood-form.
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Is it just me or does the whole Food story suck?
I mean, the super-advanced alien dudes have supposedly created it on a space station of some sort (or some planet).. and they couldn't contain it? A advanced space-faring race that can build friggin halos cna't contain a measly organic parasite???
Ever heard of glassing a planet with a fleet of warships? Or send horeds of automated robotic guardians at it?
Technology PWNS organic evolution. Period.
How could the Flood spread faster than that race couldn contain it? It just makes no sense. And the whole - let's periodicly kill all life in the universe to get rid of "the flood" is stupid as hell.
While the human-covenant war is good read, the flood & halo parts gets a :no: from me. :ick:
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While the human-covenant war is good read, the flood & halo parts gets a :no: from me. :ick:
The terminals found scattered throughout Halo 3 actually paint a pretty nice picture of that Forerunner-Flood conflict. Strategy, technology, doctrine, it all seems pretty sound when you actually get into it. Considering that even a single Flood-spore can destroy an entire race, it's not so hard to imagine the Flood spreading out like a highly virulent plague across a densely populated galaxy.
Anyway, artistic license pwns logic anyday. So pipe-down.
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I mean, the super-advanced alien dudes have supposedly created it on a space station of some sort (or some planet).. and they couldn't contain it? A advanced space-faring race that can build friggin halos cna't contain a measly organic parasite???
Ever heard of glassing a planet with a fleet of warships? Or send horeds of automated robotic guardians at it?
If you read the terminals it becomes pretty obvious that they did glass planets to contain the Flood. (Hell, the first one I found says so.) It wasn't enough. The insidiousness of the Flood is that it's not just a parasite of biologicals but also technology. We've seen the Flood fly starships and use weapons. It doesn't just turn your people against you, but also your tools.
The reason the Halo network was created was that, having exhausted all other options for containing the Flood, the Forerunners decided to wipe the slate clean and let the galaxy start over rather than let the Flood control it indefinitely...or possibly figure out how to get to another one and doom that galaxy too.
It's also worthwhile to note that there's something people seem to be forgetting: there's a race in Halo immune to Flood infection, and possibly even the Halos firing. The Hunters. They're not a single being but a collective of them, and each individual is too small for an Infection Form to infest. Guilty Spark also made a comment in the first Halo suggesting there might be a lower limit on the size of life the Halos will kill.
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Also: the fact that they had Halo installations encompassing the entire galaxy suggests that the Flood were quite literally everywhere by that point in the war. The Gravemind even says at one point: "I have beaten fleets of thousands, consumed a galaxy of flesh and mind and bone!"
Whereas the Covenant and humans were having trouble with just several thousand Flood on Halo, and possibly millions on High Charity. We know the Forerunners were tough, but could they fight trillions of such beings off? I don't think so.
I mean, the super-advanced alien dudes have supposedly created it on a space station of some sort (or some planet)..
I don't recall there ever being a mention of the Forerunners creating the Flood... :confused:
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Is it just me or does the whole Food story suck?
I mean, the super-advanced alien dudes have supposedly created it on a space station of some sort (or some planet).. and they couldn't contain it? A advanced space-faring race that can build friggin halos cna't contain a measly organic parasite???
Ever heard of glassing a planet with a fleet of warships? Or send horeds of automated robotic guardians at it?
Technology PWNS organic evolution. Period.
AIDS, cancer and cockroaches laugh at you.
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Yeah, and antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
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I still say rubbish.
the INITAL outbreak should have been something they could have contained.
Immagine the USA working on a virus. Would it leave the site unguarded? Would it produce it on aly location?
No, they would choose a location that can be easily quaranteened, they would have troops and assets in case something happened.
Also, the Flood is supposed to evolve, thus it's first forms prolly weren't as dangerous or adapative as laters ones. Wherever hte intial incident occured, chances that NO WARNING whatsoever managed ot get out immediately are 100000000000:1.
the flood can't take out a planet/sceince lab/station so fast that not a single alien guy working there can't hit hte alarm bottun or contact hte head guys. A fleet would bve there to vaporize everything.
Can hte Flood break out and steal a ship (if they could even do that at the very begining) so fast that the alien forces can't intercept it? Hardly.
Assuming they can't, they can still chase it and kill it wherever it goes, sterilizing everything it had contact with.
the alien empire was HUGE and they had thousands of ship to intercept/chase whatever few ships the flood might have captured initially.
It jsut doens't make sense.. then again, its' a game.
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I mean, the super-advanced alien dudes have supposedly created it on a space station of some sort (or some planet)
Flood weren't created they came from another galaxy, Forerunners used every strategic option to try and kill them the Halos were build to study flood and as weapon last of resort
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I still say rubbish.
the INITAL outbreak should have been something they could have contained.
Immagine the USA working on a virus. Would it leave the site unguarded? Would it produce it on aly location?
No, they would choose a location that can be easily quaranteened, they would have troops and assets in case something happened.
Also, the Flood is supposed to evolve, thus it's first forms prolly weren't as dangerous or adapative as laters ones. Wherever hte intial incident occured, chances that NO WARNING whatsoever managed ot get out immediately are 100000000000:1.
the flood can't take out a planet/sceince lab/station so fast that not a single alien guy working there can't hit hte alarm bottun or contact hte head guys. A fleet would bve there to vaporize everything.
Can hte Flood break out and steal a ship (if they could even do that at the very begining) so fast that the alien forces can't intercept it? Hardly.
Assuming they can't, they can still chase it and kill it wherever it goes, sterilizing everything it had contact with.
the alien empire was HUGE and they had thousands of ship to intercept/chase whatever few ships the flood might have captured initially.
It jsut doens't make sense.. then again, its' a game.
well, granted the earlier flood outbreaks weren't contained very well, that's why the halo rings were built in the first place. the flood also have a really nasty habit of utilizing whatever tech they can get their tendrils on, hence what we've seen in all three halo games, on the rings, it's a localised infestation, the moment they get a ship, and make it move, it's a highly mobile, and very dangerous infestation.
the latest outbreak was largely a product of the covenant poking around where they really shouldn't, and effectively unleashing the plague, the problem with fighting the flood on a stellar scale would be that you'd be fighting a war of attrition.
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... and, as far as containing the Flood, it could be some high-powered politician (s) and/or general(s) trying to cover his/her/their tracks for violating some treaty or w/e... so he doesn't call for help until after the problem is well out of hand.
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Very interesting...
to tell the truth, all those organic menaces in Sci-Fi are slowly begining to get on my nerves.. Zuul, Zerg, Flood, Alien, various organic ships/parasites, etc.. In hte end they never make sense since technology pwns organic evolition. No matter what you come up with, something built by technology will be more durable, more deadly, more easily replaced.
b.t.w. - how does the flood assimilate technology?
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If technology is so much better than organic methods, why is it that we can't cure a whole host of various diseases, viruses, bacterias, etc?
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Very interesting...
to tell the truth, all those organic menaces in Sci-Fi are slowly begining to get on my nerves.. Zuul, Zerg, Flood, Alien, various organic ships/parasites, etc.. In hte end they never make sense since technology pwns organic evolition. No matter what you come up with, something built by technology will be more durable, more deadly, more easily replaced.
b.t.w. - how does the flood assimilate technology?
Aside from the fact that you're wrong, the Flood has all the best assets of an organic and a technological menace. When it infects someone, it gains their memories and the skills they possessed. The Flood are not only a biological menace, but they can use ships, weapons, and everything else that ordinary 'technological' civilization can.
They have everything we do, and more.
You're also making the assumption that the 'initial Flood outbreak' was localized, when, in fact, all the evidence suggests the Flood was of extragalactic origin. For all we know, the Flood first arrived in an enormous number of ships, descending on hundreds of Forerunner worlds at once.
If I were the Flood, that's how I'd do it.
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Are we counting the information from the Terminals as spoilers? Well, in case we are:
Indeed, the Terminals seem to suggest that the Forerunners were caught off-guard by a huge Flood invasion force the first time they'd met them: the Flood had already consumed several worlds by that point, in other words. They make references to over a billion Flood troops attacking Forerunner installations on the ground.
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If technology is so much better than organic methods, why is it that we can't cure a whole host of various diseases, viruses, bacterias, etc?
ERm..gimme a M16 or a Humvee or a Tank...send anything organic after me...I win!
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get cancer and say that
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Yeah. Do you honestly believe an M16, a Humvee, or a tank is going to help you if you contract Spanish flu? Smallpox? Ebola?
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Forgive someone who hasn't read the books... but I didn't see the
oversized Covenant city High Charity blow up or anything after it looked
like the Flood spores came out of the warp tunnel in H3.
So ah... there's an entire moon sized mobile station crawling with Flood still out there.
Earth's mostly beaten, the Covenant are in disarray, the Elites it looks like want to go
check if their home world is safe (*cough* why wouldn't it be except for the Flood, it's not
like we humans were winning the war), so there's still more than enough I think left over for a continuation.
Not to mention we've not established who sent the Flood, or how they came to be if they invaded
the Forerunners before.
Ah also, if you've not sat through/past "all" of the credits, there's another extra cinema at the "very very end" of H3.
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Yeah. Do you honestly believe an M16, a Humvee, or a tank is going to help you if you contract Spanish flu? Smallpox? Ebola?
cancer isn't a organic life-form.
Flue, ebola and stuff liek that - ever heard of things like Sealed atmosphere suits, decontaminations sites and vaccines?
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Forgive someone who hasn't read the books... but I didn't see the
oversized Covenant city High Charity blow up or anything after it looked
like the Flood spores came out of the warp tunnel in H3.
So ah... there's an entire moon sized mobile station crawling with Flood still out there.
Earth's mostly beaten, the Covenant are in disarray, the Elites it looks like want to go
check if their home world is safe (*cough* why wouldn't it be except for the Flood, it's not
like we humans were winning the war), so there's still more than enough I think left over for a continuation.
Not to mention we've not established who sent the Flood, or how they came to be if they invaded
the Forerunners before.
Ah also, if you've not sat through/past "all" of the credits, there's another extra cinema at the "very very end" of H3.
As to High Charity:
High Charity was destroyed by the MC after he rescued Cortana. If you recall, you set off a chain reaction before you leave. So it is definitely not still around.
And since you haven't read the books, I can't blame you for not knowing this, but the Elites' homeworld may very well be damaged. In Ghosts of Onyx they accidentally took a "NOVA" planet-killer warhead (they didn't know it was a bomb) to a planet called "Joyous Exhultation" from Reach, which exploded in orbit and did quite a number on the large Covenant fleet sitting there and damaged the planet some as well. It's not known in Joyous Exhultation was the homeworld... but it might have been, considering that it was the major rallying point for the Elites after the Covenant broke up.
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Very interesting...
to tell the truth, all those organic menaces in Sci-Fi are slowly begining to get on my nerves.. Zuul, Zerg, Flood, Alien, various organic ships/parasites, etc.. In hte end they never make sense since technology pwns organic evolition. No matter what you come up with, something built by technology will be more durable, more deadly, more easily replaced.
b.t.w. - how does the flood assimilate technology?
All of the biological foes that we're seeing in sci-fi right now is probably the result (in some small way) of our technological world and our increasing fear or unfamiliarity of biological and natural things (I know people who have somehow managed to never see a deer or a fox or any sort of larger wild creature). Typically as western culture goes our predisposition is towards controlling nature as much as possible with technology and we're pretty good at it too. Actually its a fairly common thing in all cultures although I think we in the western world take it to the extreme.
But I do have to disagree that biological/organic evolution is somehow inferior to anything we've managed to put together. Our technology is startlingly fragile in many ways and particularly in its longevity. When you consider that we're still learning engineering from nature (spiders and the tensile strength of their webs are something that scientists really want to know how to do and do cheaply) so in the case of something like the Zerg or Flood you take that natural capability and magnify it ten or a hundred times to go down that hypothetical route.
Its not completely outrageous and its arrogant to think that technology through manufactured materials and circuits is the only way of doing things.
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Time to de-lurk for a second.
There's a problem with the whole idea of "technological vs biological" being a debate. Manipulation of biological processes is in some ways the direction a whole lot of human technology is already going. Most workable nanotechnology precursors look a lot more organic than like "high technology" and nanotech is seen as a be-all, end-all point of tech. It won't be metal, it won't even resemble metal. Then there's genetic engineering. Viruses can be engineered with current technology, and we can already make limited changes to multicellular organisms over a single reproductive cycle. Bio-tech in scifi is popular right now because it's what's popular in science and technology, and because it's a lot more probable (excluding the whole telepathy thing) than energy shields and FTL travel.
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cancer isn't a organic life-form.
As someone who's worked in a lab culturing cancer cells, I can tell you that it most certainly is. A tumor consists of your own body cells, growing out of control, and you are most definitely organic.
All those things - sealed atmosphere suits, decon sites, and vaccines - will give you an edge against some disease agents on an individual basis. None of them, however, is capable of protecting the entire human race. Nor are you likely to wear one your entire life. Biological agents are extremely insidious, almost impossible to contain.
All that aside, 'technological superiority' is arrogant and fallacious. We, humanity, are entirely dependent on organic life - plants, insects, and the other elements of the ecosystem - for our continued survival. We have never managed to create a successful artificial ecosystem.
As StratComm said, it's no coincidence that most of our current technological progress regards the manipulation of biological systems.
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Time to de-lurk for a second.
There's a problem with the whole idea of "technological vs biological" being a debate. Manipulation of biological processes is in some ways the direction a whole lot of human technology is already going. Most workable nanotechnology precursors look a lot more organic than like "high technology" and nanotech is seen as a be-all, end-all point of tech. It won't be metal, it won't even resemble metal. Then there's genetic engineering. Viruses can be engineered with current technology, and we can already make limited changes to multicellular organisms over a single reproductive cycle. Bio-tech in scifi is popular right now because it's what's popular in science and technology, and because it's a lot more probable (excluding the whole telepathy thing) than energy shields and FTL travel.
Its really just the evolution of the good guy versus bad guy concept (one wears a white hat and the other a black one)...its easier to tell opposing sides apart when one sides units are all finished in metallic gray and the other side has claws, spines, and is all fleshy.
And you make some awesome points about how things are moving along technology wise.
Some sci-fi, such as Babylon 5, suggests that the future of technology is where you grow technology...in some cases are in harmony with and sometimes symbiotic with that technology (think about Kosh's ship).
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get cancer and say that
Cancer is the failure of biological systems, however, so honestly I'm inclined to think it doesn't count. Ebola perhaps.
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Just finished the game.
I loved it. Anyone up for co-op now? :)
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Yes! I just got the IWHBYD skull! This oughtta be fun... :drevil:
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Heh, ok, fess up.. who here hasn't wished that all your cold / flu viruses would exit your body, assemble into their own life-form, and then come after you, with yourself wielding a 12-gauge? ;7
The thing is, viruses etc are so dangerous, because they are in your body, and to kill them (if your own anti-bodies can't do it) you basically have to try to poison / fry them and hope not to mortally damage yourself in the process (chemo, radiation treatment).
The Flood is outside your body, unless / until you get an infection form onto you... but the warrior forms have all of the knowledge and skill of whatever they infected... (I used to think they were kinda dumb, until I turned up the difficulty level to Legendary :shaking: - lifts your handicaps & theirs... they usually win unless you have razor sharp wit & reflexes).
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But I do have to disagree that biological/organic evolution is somehow inferior to anything we've managed to put together. Our technology is startlingly fragile in many ways and particularly in its longevity. When you consider that we're still learning engineering from nature (spiders and the tensile strength of their webs are something that scientists really want to know how to do and do cheaply) so in the case of something like the Zerg or Flood you take that natural capability and magnify it ten or a hundred times to go down that hypothetical route.
Assuming those abilities can be magnified tenfold or a hunderfold. Insects, as impressive as they are, only function on their small scale.
regardless, any living being traveling trough space has to be able to resist 3 dangers - extreeme heat, extreeme cold and radiation - and organic matter isn't known to be able to hold up against even one of htse very good, let alone all 3.
Its not completely outrageous and its arrogant to think that technology through manufactured materials and circuits is the only way of doing things.
no, not the only way. biotech does exist.
but there's no denying that manufactured materials are better (for war).
You really think any creature will have claws capable of punchingtough a a foot of titanium? (or whatever new super-mateirials we come up in the future) and I havn't even taken nano-tech materials into the equation - thats some seriously wierd s***. Had a presentation done from top researchers from 2 main european reseach centers on nanotechnology. Incredibly interesting stuff. You wouldn't belive the potential properties of some of hte new stuff on the way.
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but there's no denying that manufactured materials are better (for war).
That's where you're wrong. From a purely objective standpoint, a well-engineered biological agent can wipe out your enemy with no losses to your forces, all the while leaving your enemy's industrial base completely untouched. Morally shakey ground, but undoubtedly far more effective.
You really think any creature will have claws capable of punchingtough a a foot of titanium? (or whatever new super-mateirials we come up in the future) and I havn't even taken nano-tech materials into the equation - thats some seriously wierd s***. Had a presentation done from top researchers from 2 main european reseach centers on nanotechnology. Incredibly interesting stuff. You wouldn't belive the potential properties of some of hte new stuff on the way.
What use is energy-shielded, trans-adamantium, diamond-composite armour if only a single, sub-microscopic particle can completely incapacitate you? Life has survived 4 billion years of evolution, and yet my iPod crashes all the time. The Second World War - a monument of 20th Century technology - killed ~60 across over 6 years of conflict, whereas the Spanish Flu alone killed between 60 and 100 million people in a year. Even the most advanced computer has only a fraction of the processing power of the human brain, and the ultimate aim of nano-technology would be to mimic many biological processes and designs. Technology beats biology every time? Bollocks.
Anyway, organic constructs are merely highly complex machines when you get right down to it. So really, your argument that technology is superior to biology is self-defeating.
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..again with the viruses?
I'm talking about Zerg, Flood or Alien like creatures (who arn't microscopic BTW)
And what's stoping me from making nano-bots that will hunt down and kill any viruses or bacteris that caould be harmfull to me?
And how the hell is the virus supposed to get me in my Warhips in high orbit? :p * OWNED*
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Coop is a hoot. Even split screen, which seemed a wee bit cumbersome on Gears, gives me enough realestate to not feel cheated and or squished.
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Coop is a hoot. Even split screen, which seemed a wee bit cumbersome on Gears, gives me enough realestate to not feel cheated and or squished.
Except that playing split-screen coop when it's set to widescreen produces massive black bars on each side of the screen. Well done Bungie, 3 years in the making and you still manage to cock-up royal.
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But I do have to disagree that biological/organic evolution is somehow inferior to anything we've managed to put together. Our technology is startlingly fragile in many ways and particularly in its longevity. When you consider that we're still learning engineering from nature (spiders and the tensile strength of their webs are something that scientists really want to know how to do and do cheaply) so in the case of something like the Zerg or Flood you take that natural capability and magnify it ten or a hundred times to go down that hypothetical route.
Assuming those abilities can be magnified tenfold or a hunderfold. Insects, as impressive as they are, only function on their small scale.
regardless, any living being traveling trough space has to be able to resist 3 dangers - extreeme heat, extreeme cold and radiation - and organic matter isn't known to be able to hold up against even one of htse very good, let alone all 3.
Its not completely outrageous and its arrogant to think that technology through manufactured materials and circuits is the only way of doing things.
no, not the only way. biotech does exist.
but there's no denying that manufactured materials are better (for war).
You really think any creature will have claws capable of punchingtough a a foot of titanium? (or whatever new super-mateirials we come up in the future) and I havn't even taken nano-tech materials into the equation - thats some seriously wierd s***. Had a presentation done from top researchers from 2 main european reseach centers on nanotechnology. Incredibly interesting stuff. You wouldn't belive the potential properties of some of hte new stuff on the way.
Organic matter like various forms of bacteria are known for having accumulated on the outside of space craft before launch, survive the launch, survive vacuum, and return to Earth and start propagating again. Life can exist pretty much anywhere and is far more robust than we give it credit. No we don't have any complex organisms surviving the same process and there would have to be further evidence to suggest that in actual real life that its possible within our biosphere and level of technology sure...I agree there...but in a sci-fi context where you sort of gloss over a few details for entertainment sake its not unreasonable.
And yes I fully believe its possible that, given the right sort of biology, you could have something that could have claws that can rip through titanium. Unlikely and improbable I agree but not impossible. Anyways I think the argument has diverged somewhat but sci-fi is perfectly justified in going for an organic enemy and there's no reason they can't theoretically exist.
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Coop is a hoot. Even split screen, which seemed a wee bit cumbersome on Gears, gives me enough realestate to not feel cheated and or squished.
Except that playing split-screen coop when it's set to widescreen produces massive black bars on each side of the screen. Well done Bungie, 3 years in the making and you still manage to cock-up royal.
It's to keep it at a reasonable aspect ratio without resorting to the horrible vertical split format.
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It's to keep it at a reasonable aspect ratio without resorting to the horrible vertical split format.
"Horrible"?
They should have at least had the option, what with so much thought otherwise given to playing Halo 3 with more than one person. It's just common ****ing sense.
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The level of detail is such I find split-screen play totally unacceptable, anyways.
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Its actually alot better than Gears split screen on my TV. I found it ALOT better than many of hte split screen games. I think the black bars actually help, its not "overstrecthed" the way Gears was. I think the human eye rebelss at that overstretching (or my old man eyes do at least),
But I do have a 46 inch LCD, 720p/1080i so that may make a difference.
Played Coop on Live last night, that was also a hoot. Having more than 2 people makes alot of difference, its a really social experience that way.
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If I had a Xbox-360 I would get Halo 3.
Here is my favorite pic. :D
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