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Title: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: admiral_wolf on October 14, 2007, 04:31:38 pm
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is wierd that the Commanding Officer of the Collosus is a Terran?  After all, the Vasudan Emperor Khonsu II designed the bloody thing, Akhaton and Subach who I've been led to believe are major Vasudan contractors (I cannot believe RNI Systems were not mentioned/approached, seeing as most of the Terran fleet is RNI built!)  It's my thought that is the Vasudans were more involved than us, surely it should be under Vasudan control, not us.

Discount this, I've just remembered that the Subach HL7 replaced the ML16 Laser....My very big bad
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Super Nova on October 14, 2007, 04:38:01 pm
The Colossus also only has Terran weaponry, no Vasudan stuff.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Mobius on October 14, 2007, 04:46:30 pm
This thread should have a different name anyway...

The point is that FreeSpace is Terran-centered. Just take a look at the ships. The Colossus is classified as Terran and many Terran craft don't have a Vasudan counterpart. Under these circumstances, the fact that the CO of the Colossus is Terran is justified.

The Colossus also only has Terran weaponry, no Vasudan stuff.

Correct. Vasudan ships and Vasudan spacecraft, in addition, seem to use Terran weapons, only. Without considering the Mekhu and all Vasudan anti-warship beams, I don't think there are so many Vasudan weapons(eufemism).
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Admiral Nelson on October 14, 2007, 04:58:49 pm
Even the Shivans use Terran missiles.... :)
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Mobius on October 14, 2007, 05:07:14 pm
Not in Inferno. Adding specific Shivan weapons is an excellent thing.

There should have been more Vasudan primaries and secondaries. The Interceptor was producted by both races...better than nothing.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Snail on October 15, 2007, 02:36:57 pm
Main creators of the Colossus:
Akheton = Vasudan
Triton = Terran
Subach = Terran

2/3 Terran. :P
Title: Re: The GTVA Colossus
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 15, 2007, 02:43:05 pm
Yeah, but no, but yeah. I think it's wrong that the CO was Terran. Since the ship itself was a joint Terran-Vasudan project, combining technology from both species and being the culmination of the alliance, they should have had a Terran-Vasudan hybrid as the CO.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Snail on October 15, 2007, 02:52:15 pm
Yeah, but no, but yeah. I think it's wrong that the CO was Terran. Since the ship itself was a joint Terran-Vasudan project, combining technology from both species and being the culmination of the alliance, they should have had a Terran-Vasudan hybrid as the CO.

Hehe... I would personally say "Terran-Vasudan hybrid as the COs." Having one single hybrid CO sounds... Freaky.

PLUS - The guy talking was probably the Communications Officer, not the Commanding Officer. Though he could have been the commanding officer who was talking.

PLUS PLUS - Put it this way: The Colossus is a joint endeavor, but more Terran than Vasudan. Happy now?
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Excalibur on October 15, 2007, 06:29:55 pm
He's probably there to make the ship sound really powerful - a Vasudan voice would be hard to make sound powerful (I think).

Oh, and he is the Commanding officaer, isn't he? When Command asked the Colossus to return to base, immediate response - surely you can't pass a message and send it that quick. (Unless they had a preprogramed stubborness responder computer installed! )
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: admiral_wolf on October 16, 2007, 10:55:09 am
Also I'm sure the Comms Officer wouldn't be allowed to say he's going to kill everyone aboard and stall the Sathanas
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Grogs on October 17, 2007, 06:16:19 pm
somebody is an equal rights person  :p

its like everything else, Star trek, HQ is on earth, Star Wars, the (literary) hero is human, so its no surprise that the person in charrge is human.  also it looks Boxy, like most other terran ships, not sleek, like vasudan.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Thor on October 17, 2007, 11:21:44 pm
well a ship like that, the selection of the CO would be highly political, and it could be that while he's a terran, its someone who is quite favorable to the Vasudan's as well.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Bob-san on October 18, 2007, 03:38:20 pm
I'd guess it was just luck that the Terrans would occupy more space in the Colossus then the Vasudans. It's actually quite likely that the Captain was a Terran, but the First Officer was a Vasudan.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Hades on October 18, 2007, 04:02:41 pm
The Colossus may have been most Terran commanded because if it was commanded by Vasudans, then they might have defected to the HOL.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: BlueFlames on October 18, 2007, 04:02:44 pm
First officer?  This is FreeSpace.  There's a CO, a few dozen pilots (for a few hundred fighters), and about 29,930 people walking the corridors to try to slow down the beams punching through the outer hull.  That's what a bloated, run-away military budget is good for.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 18, 2007, 04:12:22 pm
The Colossus may have been most Terran commanded because if it was commanded by Vasudans, then they might have defected to the HOL.
Well then, what if the Terrans in command suddenly decided to join the NTF?
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Hades on October 18, 2007, 04:15:06 pm
Il bet you command has a button that he can press that blows up the ship.
Also, there are 29,999 other people on there, what if they don't want to join? :P
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 18, 2007, 04:17:20 pm
The same goes for the Vasudans. What if there are members in the crew who don't want to defect to the HOL?

CO. "Helm, set course for the HOL."
Helm: "Yes, sir"

No... not like this.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Agent_Koopa on October 18, 2007, 04:58:41 pm
He's probably there to make the ship sound really powerful - a Vasudan voice would be hard to make sound powerful (I think).

And that he does. THIS; IS THE G-T-V-A COLOSSUS!
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Polpolion on October 18, 2007, 06:23:23 pm
They probably took the guy who was most fit to do the job, and he happened to be Terran.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: lenard27 on October 18, 2007, 06:44:52 pm
They probably took the guy who was most fit to do the job, and he happened to be Terran.

Yeah, he was probably the most senior Admiral in the fleet that wanted the job.  I'd imagine maybe a few turned it down to stay with their fleets.  And there was probably some kind of politics involved too.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Snail on October 19, 2007, 07:39:20 am
The same goes for the Vasudans. What if there are members in the crew who don't want to defect to the HOL?

CO. "Helm, set course for the HOL."
Helm: "Yes, sir"

No... not like this.

CO. "Helm, set course for the HOL."
Helm: "Uhh... Where might that be?"

I think the Terrans defecting to the NTF is a far more credible threat than the Vasudans defecting to the HOL.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 19, 2007, 10:44:54 am
Indeed, but there's still one variable. If the crew is selected and calculated in the spirit of the alliance, the Terrans and the Vasudans aboard should be about 50-50 (not 50-60 like one of our national heroes would say). Therefore, if for example the Terrans decided to defect to the NTF, the Vasudans aboard would surely put up some fight. The same goes for the scenario where the Vasudans decided to join the HOL. It wouldn't make sense for the Terrans to just hang around in that situation. And why all of these assumptions? Mainly since the NTF opposes the Vasudans and the HOL opposes anyone who doesn't want to be exterminated by the Shivans. The NTF wouldn't want any Vasudans in their ranks, likewise the HOL wouldn't want any Terrans among their ranks.

Then again, there's also the fact that no one has heard of the HOL since the events of Silent Threat, so we just might assume that they're effectively gone. So the threat of the NTF remains, but even in that case I'm sure that the Vasudans onboard would protest against any attempts to defect.

Conclusion: a defection aboard the Colossus would be difficult to perform since there's always one side (mainly the Vasudans) that would either stop the whole mess or at least send a heads-up to GTVA Command about an ongoing mutiny.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Snail on October 19, 2007, 11:12:46 am
The Colossus may have been most Terran commanded because if it was commanded by Vasudans, then they might have defected to the HOL.

My post was mainly in response to this post, not the one I quoted (a small mistake since I couldn't be bothered to quote this one).

And you're absolutely right, Lobo. Having the Colossus mostly Terran is not a good idea in this area, since the Terrans are more likely to defect than the Vasudans.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: lenard27 on October 19, 2007, 12:02:51 pm
Plus, you have to take into account the size of the crew of the ship. There is no way that a significant percentage of over 30,000 crewmen will be defectors.  Theoretically, a small team of defectors could take over the bridge, but even then, it's not like 30,000 people would not put up a fight
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Snail on October 19, 2007, 12:15:27 pm
I was under the impression the 30,000 people would have a job at the engine room, gunners, etc., so even if the defectors did take over the bridge, they wouldn't have too much power over the ship.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Mobius on October 19, 2007, 12:16:57 pm
They weren't supposed to take control of the whole ship! They just had to disarm the beams for a while. A small team can do something like that.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 19, 2007, 12:19:32 pm
I was under the impression the 30,000 people would have a job at the engine room, gunners, etc., so even if the defectors did take over the bridge, they wouldn't have too much power over the ship.
Precicamente, amigo. There'd be some dialogue along the lines of:

-"Sir, a group of defectors took over the bridge!"
-"What? Well, **** them. Let's go and tear the engines apart."

They weren't supposed to take control of the whole ship! They just had to disarm the beams for a while. A small team can do something like that.
Yes, but we were talking about a mutiny aboard the Collie in general, not referring to the happenings in Gamma Draconis.
Title: Re: The GTVA Collosus
Post by: Snail on October 19, 2007, 12:22:32 pm
Yes. A theoretical mutiny, possibly before its first combat deployment.