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Title: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 03, 2007, 01:34:25 pm
Alright . I successfully ported the Imperial Star Destroyer from Imperial Alliance mod , to FreeSpace2 SCP . The model looks weird at some parts , but has it's weapons working . Some of them didn't work , so I doubled all it's gun firepower . Shields were also working ( with no impact effect though - but they were working  :nod:) .

Now , you look at the video , and see for yourself , which is better .  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKSkfqAe6QI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKSkfqAe6QI)

Expect next one with GTCv Deimos' .  ;7

EDIT: P.S. I apologise for the kinda-low framerates on the video . FRAPS was being a pain along with Windows Movie Maker . They somehow managed to mess up the video , that I had to slow down 4 times to make it look normal .  :doubt:
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Shade on December 03, 2007, 02:51:16 pm
Always fun to watch ISDs blow up. Still, given the size, I'd have had it down for living rather longer than it did. Did you set it up for shields to block beams? Given how much of their survivability a SW ship owes to its shields, that might account for something.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 03, 2007, 02:57:23 pm
No shields block photons , as photons are light . You won't find shields blocking light , now would you ?  :)

Though it was invulnerable from any other attack ( blob lasers for example ) . Only beam cannons could dent it .
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: TrashMan on December 03, 2007, 06:55:20 pm
This was an excercise in futility.

You have way too much free time on your hands :P
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Flipside on December 03, 2007, 09:13:23 pm
Does give a nice feel to how the Engine has improved though, those lighting effects just keep looking better :)
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 04, 2007, 07:14:40 am
This was an excercise in futility.

You have way too much free time on your hands :P

I disagree with that . School takes up most of the time . I make videos when I get some free time . :D
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on December 04, 2007, 09:46:53 am
You might try a massive space battle next time, as I cant FRED with my mac. o.o
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 04, 2007, 10:55:14 am
5 ISDs fighting a single Orion ? Cause if any more , it would become too much .

I was thinking of sending in 1 or 2  GTCv Deimos' against an ISD .
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on December 04, 2007, 12:07:42 pm
I thought about hundreds of corvettes, destroyers and other capital ships attacking other corvettes, destroyer and other capital ships.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 04, 2007, 12:26:34 pm
DO YOU WANT MY POOR OLD PC TO GO NUCLEAR ?!  :lol:

Seriously . I hate missions when there's hundred ships attacking another group of ships , all in the same line , etc.

I believe those are called Battle of Endor type missions ?

Anyway , let's get back on topic .
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: MetalDestroyer on December 04, 2007, 12:57:35 pm
You want Beams !! and Imperial Fleet !! Wazaaa !! (http://www.dailymotion.com/MetalD/video/xms4b_gtva-versus-galactic-empire_videogames)
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on December 04, 2007, 12:59:56 pm
Still to small :D
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 04, 2007, 01:07:44 pm
MetalDestroyer - are you the one who made a Star Destroyer model ? If so , can I have one  :D

Oh , and an Orion is 2 kilometer long . A Star Destroyer is 1.4 KM long . So the size is correct on both vids .

But remember - beam cannons can slice through shields like a hot knife through butter , since no shield can stop photon ( which is a light ) attacks . ^^
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: MetalDestroyer on December 04, 2007, 01:14:29 pm
Nope, the models are from EvilleJedi (Star Wars Warlords mods for Homeworld 2).
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Marcus Vesper on December 04, 2007, 01:14:37 pm
But remember - beam cannons can slice through shields like a hot knife through butter , since no shield can stop photon ( which is a light ) attacks . ^^
What if the Star Destroyer was wearing a giant novelty pair of sunglasses though?
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 04, 2007, 01:16:41 pm
But remember - beam cannons can slice through shields like a hot knife through butter , since no shield can stop photon ( which is a light ) attacks . ^^
What if the Star Destroyer was wearing a giant novelty pair of sunglasses though?

More beams - call in the Sathanas ! ^^
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Herra Tohtori on December 04, 2007, 01:34:48 pm
Photons are also not visible. Beams are visible.

Conclusion -> Beams do not consist of photons. They consist of some charged particles that emit photons around them.

If the beams were true photon beams, you could only see bright light at the hit point and probably some vaporizing metal, and possibly some diffraction/glimmering from gas and dust particles on the beam's way through the battle area, but not the solid light brite show we have in FS2.

That's the physical approach anyway, in the same sense that the argument of shields not stopping photons relies on physics...

I know they are called Photon beam cannons in the first mission of FS2 Campaign, but physically it is not "possible" that they would be just photons.



That said, the match between ISD and Orion really depends of how someone wants to balance the ships. It's just up to whichever is preferredf to win by the mission designer. If someone thinks Star Wars shields can't stop beams, that's a valid approach. If someone thinks Star Wars shields do stop beams, there's no evidence to the contrary either because there's no canon interaction between the universes (thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for small things).

IMHO, it's probable that SW shields would hold against beams since they do hold against turbolaser shots, which are essentially much closer to pulsed beams than FS2 turret blobs... If you look at the New Hope trench run, the TIE fighter shots look more like Minbari Nial's neutron beams (fast, repeating lances of light) than the relatively slow flying neon tubes from X-Wing series of games.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Retsof on December 04, 2007, 06:03:20 pm
There has been a long discussion on all this recently, link here. http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,50114.0.html (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,50114.0.html)

 Question, how do I get the link to work on a word or two, instead of pasting in the entire URL?
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Herra Tohtori on December 04, 2007, 06:56:08 pm
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Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Mars on December 04, 2007, 07:26:28 pm
Hard Light =/= Space Battles

Please don't bring up the Star Wars universe in this context again.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Ryan on December 04, 2007, 07:39:25 pm
Where can i download this mod? I would like to make my own battles.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Hades on December 04, 2007, 07:54:41 pm
You want Beams !! and Imperial Fleet !! Wazaaa !! (http://www.dailymotion.com/MetalD/video/xms4b_gtva-versus-galactic-empire_videogames)

I don't think that you unlocked the Orions and the cruisers main beams.
They would have been firing them at the ISDs.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: MetalDestroyer on December 05, 2007, 12:49:40 pm
There were ON, but I think the distance between Orion and those ISD is too excessive -_- Or perhaps I forgot it.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Kosh on December 09, 2007, 08:20:44 am
I thought the Orion had 3 BGreens and not one.......
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on December 09, 2007, 09:11:10 am
1 on front , 2 on sides around it's engines , right ? Well , it did fire those .
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: MetalDestroyer on December 09, 2007, 01:41:02 pm
I found out an another video in my PC (http://www.stage6.com/user/MetalDestroyer/video/1932371/).
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: WMCoolmon on December 09, 2007, 02:31:53 pm
Unless you're going by stuff from the analysis of the technical commentaries, I don't see how you can compare the two in any meaningful context.

The only canon equivalent to beams that I know of in the SW universe would be superlasers, and AFAIK, the superlasers were of so great magnitude vs the things they were used against that shields were irrelevant.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Cobra on December 09, 2007, 02:42:57 pm
That was... boring.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: AlphaOne on December 10, 2007, 03:08:31 am
actualy they are photon beam cannons but i distinctly remember one vasudan captain saiing something along the lines "comence plasma core insertion" right before it let his beam cannon loose on a poor Deimos corvette! They might have some sort of photonic part to them but they are not just photons there! There is also something else !
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: jr2 on December 10, 2007, 03:18:15 am
;)  The first mission in retail FS2.  :nod:
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Scooby_Doo on December 10, 2007, 05:34:28 am
If their photon beams, why don't they have mirrors for armour then?  :P
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: TrashMan on December 10, 2007, 06:02:30 am
indeed. It would double as vampire detectors too.

too bad it wouldn't do well against ballistic weapons or asteroids, but you can't have everything. And we all fear space vampires!
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: jr2 on December 10, 2007, 09:11:11 am
Some lasers are formed using mirrors... One of the mirrors is intentionally weaker that the other... the laser comes out that side.  ;)  Mirrors only work for low-intensity lasers.... higher-intensity lasers will over-power them.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Marcus Vesper on December 10, 2007, 03:17:00 pm
indeed. It would double as vampire detectors too.

too bad it wouldn't do well against ballistic weapons or asteroids, but you can't have everything. And we all fear space vampires!
But what about the space werewolves and the dreaded space yeti?  I don't think we're doing enough to protect our spacecraft from these not-made-up-at-all threats!
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: TrashMan on December 10, 2007, 05:10:32 pm
For space werewolves you create your hulls from Silver composite. They won't go near you.

Space Yetis don't like it hot, so just be sure to heat up your hull. Preferably with plasma.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Cobra on December 10, 2007, 06:17:14 pm
Fiiiiyah?
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Desert Tyrant on December 11, 2007, 04:49:45 pm
Hard Light =/= Space Battles

Please don't bring up the Star Wars universe in this context again.

Gotta go with Mars here.  I do post at Spacebattles, but that doesn't mean I want every forum to be Spacebattles wherever I go.  Different forums entirely for entirely differnt purposes. 
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Hellstryker on December 11, 2007, 05:16:27 pm
But what about the dreaded space ghosts!?  :shaking:
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Marcus Vesper on December 12, 2007, 01:03:44 pm
But what about the dreaded space ghosts!?  :shaking:
According to The Witcher and various folklore sources, carrying salt around (or throwing it over your shoulder, etc) scares away ghosts.  So logically ships should be formed out of Sodium!
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: TrashMan on December 12, 2007, 02:35:39 pm
I head none of those menaces like vacuum...or highly explosive fluids in thin-walled containers.

So jsut fil your ship with expolosives and make sure to put only minimal hull plating...and off you go into battle!
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Agent_Koopa on December 12, 2007, 07:57:05 pm
I'm not sure what the ISDs were getting killed by in that last video. The Orion and Aeoluses were too far away to use their main beams. Also, those ISDs need new shield models.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Getter Robo G on December 16, 2007, 11:10:01 am
What the hell are you all on, it's "The dreaded Space Ghost Pirate Cyber Ninjas!!!"  (of unusual size...) Get it straight!  :lol:

Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Singe on January 06, 2008, 07:04:07 pm
Edit by Singe: Better Idea.

I'd love to see the GTVA and Shivans gank the Empire.

So, why not say, GTD Orion and a GVD Hatephsut duking it out with maybe 3 ISDS and an SSD?

and Mid battle a Shivan Lucifer class superdestroyer and two Ravana or Rakshasha jump in and fire on the imperials.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: General Battuta on January 06, 2008, 11:54:30 pm
Ohhhh man. Mars said it.

Hard Light =/= SpaceBattles.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Scooby_Doo on January 07, 2008, 01:00:43 am
Edit by Singe: Better Idea.

I'd love to see the GTVA and Shivans gank the Empire.

So, why not say, GTD Orion and a GVD Hatephsut duking it out with maybe 3 ISDS and an SSD?

and Mid battle a Shivan Lucifer class superdestroyer and two Ravana or Rakshasha jump in and fire on the imperials.

A Culture ship jumps in and blows the whole works to bits.  :lol:
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: TrashMan on January 07, 2008, 05:04:25 am
I jump in at they all bow down before my brilliance. All who resist are destroyed by my eye laz0rs. I rule the universe. The end.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 09, 2008, 10:43:57 pm
Lasers are a beam of particles all travelling in the same direction at a particular point, light is made of particals going in many directions and spread out as far as they can, try putting a laser pointer and a lamp or torch onto a wall, the laser makes a little dot, the torch goes wherever it can!! I suppose lasers are more than just photons and that shields may well be able to block them.

What's the firepower on a ISSD, i heard someone somewhere say they've got mega weapons that don't look like much (and in the star wars universe might not be) but do a whole heap of damage, far more than a BFRed. I don't know where i saw that so it may be completely wrong.

Great movie though.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Agent_Koopa on January 09, 2008, 10:55:28 pm
Lasers are focused light.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 09, 2008, 11:09:18 pm
Lasers travel in one direction, light travels in many directions, light can be focused into a bright point that could blind you, by using mirrors to focus it all, or cutting the rest of the light off and letting a few go through. Indeed, consentrated light could probably do the same amount of damage as lasers, but that's not my point! My point is... I foget, oh wait, my point is that lasers are differant to light and shields might be able to stop them.

People don't even know that a shield could exist yet!! They can make an iron dome that can stop a whole lot of things, but it's not see through, shields are fictional, all i know is that a magnet can deflect another magnet away if you push them together properly and that might be the technology you could use to stop ferous materials.

Also, shields might stop things of high matter, light is very low matter and would go through, lasers are extremely focused and probably have a lot higher matter
light     || -> (
laser  *||     (
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: General Battuta on January 10, 2008, 12:46:02 am
No offense, Killer Whale, but your grasp of the physics involved is clearly either hampered by a language barrier or slightly shaky.

I don't mean to flame, but are you familiar with the concepts of coherence, population inversion, or the unity of matter and energy? And what do you mean by 'high' and 'low' matter?

Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 10, 2008, 12:59:47 am
Am i farmiliar with anything you just talked about? Well, pretty much no.

Matter: I probably don't know what it means, but i think of it as how densly packed atoms are, the more the higher, the less the less.

Unity? I thought light was matter, other than that i don't know what your talking about.

I only turned 13, i haven't gone to high school so these are all guesse, i hardly know that much about physics.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: General Battuta on January 10, 2008, 01:06:45 am
Light is made of photons, not strictly matter -- rather, they're packets of energy.

Neither light nor laser contains any atoms. Photons are not atoms, and they are not part of atoms, but they do interact with them.

Matter is made of atoms.

A laser is simply a directed, focused, 'coherent' stream of light. Both a flashlight and a laser emit photons, but the photons in the laser are of the same wavelength and they move 'in lockstep', meaning that they lose far less energy as they travel.

Once you begin picking up relativity you'll begin to learn that matter is essentially frozen energy. Still, we refer to them as two distinct things.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Scooby_Doo on January 10, 2008, 01:07:00 am
No offense, Killer Whale, but your grasp of the physics involved is clearly either hampered by a language barrier or slightly shaky.

I don't mean to flame, but are you familiar with the concepts of coherence, population inversion, or the unity of matter and energy? And what do you mean by 'high' and 'low' matter?



Actually I remember some sci-fi show using this. Doctor who ??? A shield stopped hi-energy levels while low-level could go through, like air.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 10, 2008, 01:10:45 am
Sorry, that kinda scraps my whole theory, i thought photons were made of atoms.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 10, 2008, 05:44:50 am
Lasers are a beam of particles all travelling in the same direction at a particular point, light is made of particals going in many directions and spread out as far as they can, try putting a laser pointer and a lamp or torch onto a wall, the laser makes a little dot, the torch goes wherever it can!! I suppose lasers are more than just photons and that shields may well be able to block them.

What's the firepower on a ISSD, i heard someone somewhere say they've got mega weapons that don't look like much (and in the star wars universe might not be) but do a whole heap of damage, far more than a BFRed. I don't know where i saw that so it may be completely wrong.

Great movie though.

There's the Eclipse-Class Super Star Destroyer, but this dude really deserves his name.
Although this sucker is entirely EU, it has a mini-Death Star Super Laser, which can transform a planet into a block of molten glass in a few seconds.
Should this guy show up, I'd say you just try to get the hell out of there.
Of course it could be possible to just flank him and abuse SW's anti-capship-weaponry-lackage. Probably you would still take quite a beating from torpedos, though.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Scooby_Doo on January 10, 2008, 05:49:06 am
Lasers are a beam of particles all travelling in the same direction at a particular point, light is made of particals going in many directions and spread out as far as they can, try putting a laser pointer and a lamp or torch onto a wall, the laser makes a little dot, the torch goes wherever it can!! I suppose lasers are more than just photons and that shields may well be able to block them.

What's the firepower on a ISSD, i heard someone somewhere say they've got mega weapons that don't look like much (and in the star wars universe might not be) but do a whole heap of damage, far more than a BFRed. I don't know where i saw that so it may be completely wrong.

Great movie though.

There's the Eclipse-Class Super Star Destroyer, but this dude really deserves his name.
Although this sucker is entirely EU, it has a mini-Death Star Super Laser, which can transform a planet into a block of molten glass in a few seconds.
Should this guy show up, I'd say you just try to get the hell out of there.
Of course it could be possible to just flank him and abuse SW's anti-capship-weaponry-lackage. Probably you would still take quite a beating from torpedos, though.

Who? The orion, or the culture gsv or Trashman?  :lol:  :P

Way I see it the only one in danger would be the orion, the other two obliterate the Eclipse with sheer firepower and coolness  :cool:
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: TrashMan on January 10, 2008, 10:42:16 am
Indeed. :cool: :pimp:
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: ShadowGorrath on January 10, 2008, 01:42:44 pm
Does anyone have a model of the Imperial Super Star Destroyer ? I could need it for my next possible video . Unless I don't find any other normal SW models ...

P.S. I beat everyone and everything
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 10, 2008, 11:20:38 pm
Has anyone got one for the ISD, i'd like to put that in my "for fun, no purpose" missions
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 12, 2008, 03:40:29 am
Does anyone have a model of the Imperial Super Star Destroyer ? I could need it for my next possible video . Unless I don't find any other normal SW models ...

P.S. I beat everyone and everything

Just scale the ISD up by 7-8 times.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 12, 2008, 02:51:13 pm
Just scale the ISD up by 7-8 times.

:wtf:

Super Star Destroyer (http://adams-wallpapers.com/data/media/20/super-star-destroyer-wallpaper.jpg)
Star Destroyer (http://www.povplace.com/gallery/SciFi%20-%20Star%20Wars/23.jpg)

Super Star Destroyer (http://www.wizards.com/global/images/starwars_article_SBPreview1_pic2_en.jpg)
Star Destroyer (http://www.povplace.com/gallery/SciFi%20-%20Star%20Wars/21.jpg)

Super Star Destroyer (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/SW_Executor_01.jpg)
Star Destroyer (http://www.starwarsmodels.com/images/models/stardf003.jpg)
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: IceyJones on January 14, 2008, 07:16:48 am
there is a discrepancy between movie and any sw-game out there. in the movies a SSD is something about 20 km long, in games round about 8 km iirc .....
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 14, 2008, 09:04:02 am
Let's compare.

Darth Vader's Executor-Class Super Star Destroyer: ~19 kilometers in length.
Imperial-Class Star Destroyer: 1'600 meters.

The Executor is exactly 11,875 times bigger.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: General Battuta on January 14, 2008, 12:24:51 pm
Maybe the point WMCoolmon is trying to make is that they don't really look much alike beyond the basic hull shape.

Also, erm, that's 11.875, not 11,875, right? Because the latter is just ridiculous. And wrong.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 14, 2008, 12:42:34 pm
No. You are probably confusing a comma with a apostroph.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: General Battuta on January 14, 2008, 01:11:03 pm
Wait, what? I get the sense we're using different notations here.

When you say 11,875 times, do you mean 11 (decimal) 875 times?
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on January 14, 2008, 01:55:27 pm
Try www.merzo.net (http://www.merzo.net).

It has most of the famous sci-fi ships (the Sath is there as well :yes:), and gives a pretty good size estimate for 'em.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 14, 2008, 06:14:57 pm
Yeah, my point is that the two look almost nothing alike besides the basic dagger shape. The coloration is different, the number of engines, the greebling, the size of the command tower, etc. They're clearly based on common design ideas, but saying that you should just be able to "scale them up" is like saying you ought to be able to scale up the White House and use it for the Capitol.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 19, 2008, 03:11:39 am
Wait, what? I get the sense we're using different notations here.

When you say 11,875 times, do you mean 11 (decimal) 875 times?
Yes, I do, because we learnt that in school.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 19, 2008, 04:22:11 am
really, you learn something every day, i always though a decimal was a point '.'
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Marcus Vesper on January 19, 2008, 10:44:18 pm
really, you learn something every day, i always though a decimal was a point '.'
It is, but some parts of the world insist on doing things backwards for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Hades on January 20, 2008, 10:46:02 am
Wait, what? I get the sense we're using different notations here.

When you say 11,875 times, do you mean 11 (decimal) 875 times?
Yes, I do, because we learned that in school.
It is 11.875
11,875 is eleven thousand eight hundred and seventy five.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 20, 2008, 10:50:22 am
Wait, what? I get the sense we're using different notations here.

When you say 11,875 times, do you mean 11 (decimal) 875 times?
Yes, I do, because we learned that in school.
It is 11.875
11,875 is eleven thousand eight hundred and seventy five.
Culcural differences. Back here, eleven thousand eight hundred and seventy-five is 11 875 and eleven point eight seven five is 11,875.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Bobboau on January 20, 2008, 11:04:38 am
what culture would that be?

Mr. 999 posts.

:)
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 20, 2008, 12:35:22 pm
That would be the depressed, antisocial, binge drinking Finnish culture. Also, I do know about these differences in mathematical expression methods. Back in the good ol' days, it took me a few tries to figure out that my brand new spanking calculator was using a dot where I would have used a comma, and a comma where I wouldn't have used anything.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Killer Whale on January 20, 2008, 09:33:52 pm
Actually we go

11,875 = eleven thousand, eight hundred and seventy five, but with computers ( IDK why) we now go
11 875 = eleven thousand, eight hundred and seventy five

11.875 = eleven point eight seven five

(Down under)
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 21, 2008, 11:51:48 am
Pah, your mathematics < swiss math class
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Hades on January 21, 2008, 12:21:37 pm
Pah, your mathematics > swiss math class
Fixed.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Polpolion on January 21, 2008, 12:23:38 pm
Pah, (your mathematics+17)24 - 65 = (swiss math class)!
Fixed.

now it's fixed.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 21, 2008, 12:49:45 pm
Pah, (your mathematics+17)24 - 65 = (swiss math class)!
Fixed.

now it's fixed.
Amateurs.

a = b
a2 = ab
a2 - b2 = ab - b2
(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)
a + b = a
2a = a
2 = 1
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Scooby_Doo on January 21, 2008, 06:18:58 pm
Shouldn't a(a-b) = 0  since a = b and a-b = 0?
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 22, 2008, 12:02:25 am
Well, that's the point. And 2a = a if and only if a = 0, which results in division by zero, which in turn is highly illegal.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 22, 2008, 12:58:52 am
(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b) is fine, isn't it? (a-b) is on both sides, so the left side will be 0 too.
Title: Re: Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a GTD Orion
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 22, 2008, 05:58:49 am
Yes, up to the point where we divide both sides of the equation with the said (a - b), which happens to be 0.