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Hosted Projects - Standalone => The Babylon Project => Topic started by: Yathin on December 30, 2007, 07:50:22 am
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edit: Below this post, 0rph3u5 has made two posts, one containing the .pof and .tbm, the other containing the texture maps. If you want to try out his Aurora Mk II, just look :). If you want to try out my slight modifications, check the second page for the filefront link.
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The starfury of the past... look at where the guns are.
http://www.shipschematics.net/b5/images/earthforce/fighter_starfury.jpg
http://www.isnnews.net/hyperspace/ea/eafury-a_lg1.jpg
(edit: also look at this around 1:08 to see them shooting only from the bottom, even in season 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGXLAIDpsWQ&feature=related )
The starfury of The Lost Tales... notice it shooting! Where is it shooting from? (Yes, the one that you can see shooting :doubt: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuytS7fj64E
:shaking: what kind of starfury is this? Whenever I saw a starfury on all seasons of B5, they only shot out of the lower side of the starfury!
Is this a new starfury or not? :confused:
But it would be cool to have a starfury with two 40mm pulse cannons!
(or if they are counted individually, 4)
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Does it not just have the standard arrangement but flip, and when it's close up you're just seeing its belly?
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Does it not just have the standard arrangement but flip, and when it's close up you're just seeing its belly?
no, if you look carefully, its shooting out of the top and bottom after it flips. this means there are two sets, rather than just one.
I made a .gif of the section where you can see the difference!
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/darkscathe/proof.gif
edit: some people can't see my photobucket images. try this if it doesn't work! http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/652/proofdg5.gif
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I saw what you mean and it would make sense that the EA upgraded the old Aurora design until then (the old Aurora must have been around for at least 25-30 years by then)
adding a second set of primaries to the Aurora-model is not problem... nor is creating a tbm for it (maybe I'll do)
EDIT: all done - a 40mm for the second primary slot?
(and yes I did add more weapons power; although that need to be balanced)
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Give that it's meant to be showing Starfuries from 30 years in the future from that point (itself over 20 years after the first star furies appeared) I'm not at all surprised they changed.
What's odd is that they aren't using Thunderbolts instead. :D
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Give that it's meant to be showing Starfuries from 30 years in the future from that point (itself over 20 years after the first star furies appeared) I'm not at all surprised they changed.
What's odd is that they aren't using Thunderbolts instead. :D
I believe the real reason is that they couldn't do the Thunderbolt in time, I heard that somewhere...
I saw what you mean and it would make sense that the EA upgraded the old Aurora design until then (the old Aurora must have been around for at least 25-30 years by then)
adding a second set of primaries to the Aurora-model is not problem... nor is creating a tbm for it (maybe I'll do)
EDIT: all done - a 40mm for the second primary slot?
(and yes I did add more weapons power; although that need to be balanced)
sounds cool! If you were to actually play it however, it may be slightly strange at first.. considering (I'm guessing) that people would expect it to be shooting from the lower and not the top spot.
My only question is what will happen with the modified (future) starfury? :nervous:
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What's odd is that they aren't using Thunderbolts instead. :D
Hello all,
I found it actually rather odd if Tbolts were supposed to replaced the Auroras entirely... speaking of the design only, the aurora is a better space-superiority fighter. It has less mass and it is more compact than the Tbolt, thus having the same controls, engines, etc. it should be more agile. Sheridan’s assessment about the more sensitive Tbold’s controls is true for 2260/61, but there is no reason not to upgrade the Auroras with equal or better systems.
Moreover the standing position of the pilot is also an advantage in space combat.
And obviously EF has done so. Take a look at the pit, it was changed as well, there are now MFDs on the side struts, which B5’s Furies had not. And it uses four guns.
Already in Crusade we see the best ship of Earth on it’s most important mission equipped with Auroras – there must be a reason. I’d guess it is still EF’s first choice for space combat, supplemented by the more expansive Tbolt, but not replaced. That is why I find the great superiority of the Tbolt in TBP somewhat suspicious (no critics to the game itself - it is great! :) ).
regards
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I tend to agree with you there actually.
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Believe it or not, the Disrupter is one of the strongest anti fighter weapons in TBP. A Minbari Sharlin will kill a large shadow battlecrab when both approach each other. EM-War area earth vessels are useless. And a Whitestar is one of the most harmless ships in the universe, since it basicly stands still.
TBP is far from perfect. But it's good and it's the only mod with enough ships to create really neat campaigns...
By the way, I hope no ships got removed for 3.4b, I recently used a few exotic ones.
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here is the "EA Aurora Mk II" for beta testing...
it is far from being perfect but currently I simply don't have the time to test everything I do
CREDITS
EA Aurora Model (High Poly Version) - Bigoudi
model and tables editing - 0rph3u5
[attachment deleted by ninja]
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Thunderbolts were designed to operate in both in atmosphere and in space, whereas the Aurora, Badger, and Tiger are space only.
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here is the "EA Aurora Mk II" for beta testing...
it is far from being perfect but currently I simply don't have the time to test everything I do
CREDITS
EA Aurora Model (High Poly Version) - Bigoudi
model and tables editing - 0rph3u5
It seems great, but the only issue I found was that the ship is... invisible!...either that or its just that the entire pof doesn't seem to want to load, but it is viewable in PCS2 without textures and all..
I even reinstalled TBP just to check, my textures had been acting up before...
FRED's erm.. weird ship next to an aurora :p (set it to be 'outline', and no 'ship model'... and with 'ship model', it would be harder to notice!)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7985/errorfx8.png
Can't shoot meeee!
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1299/screen0004sj9.png
sidenote: I did modify the table and all, and I placed in the POF into the right folder... :wtf:
And it might just be me being stupid, as I am new to TBP still
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:sigh: I have the same problem!! :(
PLEASE 0rph3u5, HELP! :)
Question: Have this Aurora more model details?
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No easf1024 maps :D
Looks kind of weird in game with the normal auora maps applied. :ick:
But on the other hand, I can see it. :lol:
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Is that a new Centauri cruiser as well? I'm pretty sure the standard one only has two engines, not the cross pattern shown in the video.
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Is that a new Centauri cruiser as well? I'm pretty sure the standard one only has two engines, not the cross pattern shown in the video.
you could also say (but I can not confirm) their use of the Centauri Kutai Gunship:
http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/catalog/images/screenshots/various/fic_babylon5_B5_57_1__bcelestia.jpg
(Look between the first warlock exploding and the other centauri vessel.. you will see something like that)
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You may find this page (http://www.alecm.com/gallery.htm) interesting: hi-res pics of the new version of the Aurora, a nicely-detailed Babylon 5, that new Minbari ship, what is either a re-imagining of the Vorchan or its replacement, and various other craft. I didn't notice any Kutai, but there's definitely some Balvarin in the background.
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No easf1024 maps :D
Looks kind of weird in game with the normal auora maps applied. :ick:
But on the other hand, I can see it. :lol:
my bad, I forgot those maps
here they are
[attachment deleted by ninja]
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okay, finally I agree. That's a new Fury (and a new cockpit)
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No easf1024 maps :D
Looks kind of weird in game with the normal auora maps applied. :ick:
But on the other hand, I can see it. :lol:
my bad, I forgot those maps
here they are
When I tried it with the new maps, I noticed it seemed to spin out of control slightly more... any way to fix that? :wtf: (It seems just a tad too much) [edit: ok, editing the density helps.... somewhat.. I always have too much or too little. :sigh: )
also, to get it to fire like they had it shooting in the lost tales, select the first weapon, then select both... if you time it right, both 40mm pulses will shoot at the similar rate like the lost tales version :)
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Great work! amazing!!! :yes:
i know it's a lot to ask.... but could you make a High Poly Version of the Thunderbolt??? (with red skin instead green)
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Yeah thats a problem with the MOI, causes the model to spin wildly, when destroyed..
A slight ajustment should fix that. :D
Yep, made changes to the MOI and now it spins slowly.
Ah, yes.. Now thats better.. :p
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No easf1024 maps :D
Looks kind of weird in game with the normal auora maps applied. :ick:
But on the other hand, I can see it. :lol:
my bad, I forgot those maps
here they are
When I tried it with the new maps, I noticed it seemed to spin out of control slightly more... any way to fix that? :wtf: (It seems just a tad too much) [edit: ok, editing the density helps.... somewhat.. I always have too much or too little. :sigh: )
also, to get it to fire like they had it shooting in the lost tales, select the first weapon, then select both... if you time it right, both 40mm pulses will shoot at the similar rate like the lost tales version :)
There's a way in the tables now to create firing sequences or at the very least unlock the primaries so they rapidly cycle. Might be worth a look. I don't remember what it is.
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No easf1024 maps :D
Looks kind of weird in game with the normal auora maps applied. :ick:
But on the other hand, I can see it. :lol:
my bad, I forgot those maps
here they are
When I tried it with the new maps, I noticed it seemed to spin out of control slightly more... any way to fix that? :wtf: (It seems just a tad too much) [edit: ok, editing the density helps.... somewhat.. I always have too much or too little. :sigh: )
also, to get it to fire like they had it shooting in the lost tales, select the first weapon, then select both... if you time it right, both 40mm pulses will shoot at the similar rate like the lost tales version :)
There's a way in the tables now to create firing sequences or at the very least unlock the primaries so they rapidly cycle. Might be worth a look. I don't remember what it is.
using the "cycle" tag works (in weapons.tbl)... but it goes left then right, not top to bottom :(.. is there a way to fix that? :doubt:
My idea would be switching the guns around, and keeping it always selected for both weapons, but I don't know how to do that :p)
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If its a quad mount it looks roughly like that...more of a cycle between all four but its so rapid it looks very similar.
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I've seen the question of the "new" Starfury in another forum an I remebered some stuff I read a few years back, so I did some digging. According to some articles that cite canon sources, the Aurora has ALWAYS had 4 40mm Pulse Cannons (if you look at the picture of the Aurora in the first post that is taken from the series, those blips in the upper wing roots look like guns because they are guns). Apparently, limitations in the fusion reactor prevent all four from being used at once. Apparently this limitation was solved, probably around the same time the Thunderbolt's main weapon was perfected (note: that remark linking the Tbolts weapons to the Aurora's weapons is my own conjecture and is not cited in canon sources).
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I noticed this as well. Look at any decent shot of Auroras leaving B5's cobra bays and you'll see that there's a second set of guns either side of the cockpit.
I can't be sure if they were ever seen when the ships were in flight, though - perhaps they were rendered at different stages in the model's development?
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If its a quad mount it looks roughly like that...more of a cycle between all four but its so rapid it looks very similar.
I tried making it a quad mount in PCSII. Looks great!
Below is the modified TLT Aurora with the changed gun mount and MOI. It also includes a 38mm pulse cannon (faster and slightly less powerful than the 40mm). The .zip furthermore includes the ship table with Glide and the ability to use the 38mm pulse.
Note: This includes the maps.
Everything in one .zip folder:
http://files.filefront.com/auroramkIIzip/;9515517;/fileinfo.html
I would like to thank IceFire (Quad Mount), Whitelight (help with the MOI), and 0rpheus (The maps and the pof)! :D
How to use the Aurora Mk II in a new mission:
Place the .pof and .dds files in the cache directory.
Modify the additional ships table and place in the newer table next to your other ones
Add the new weapon to the weapons.tbl.
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I've seen the question of the "new" Starfury in another forum an I remebered some stuff I read a few years back, so I did some digging. According to some articles that cite canon sources, the Aurora has ALWAYS had 4 40mm Pulse Cannons (if you look at the picture of the Aurora in the first post that is taken from the series, those blips in the upper wing roots look like guns because they are guns). Apparently, limitations in the fusion reactor prevent all four from being used at once.
Ya that has been discussed before. IIRC the general opinion was that the Aurora has two cannons. The other two holes are just that, holes. And can really be anything, like mounts for special equipment or whatever. In the end it comes down to how it's seen in the show. And it has always been seen firing two cannons. Adding another two would really chance anything.
And why would you wish to carry weapons you can't use? They only add weight and reduce maneuverability. You really wish to be a light as possible in a dogfight.