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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: wolfen on January 05, 2008, 10:48:39 am
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I wiped the Hard drive an installed windows xp, hot home basic for Christmas, the drivers from intel and FS runs like it used to before I screwed up and bought a vista computer.
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a hard drive wipe and re-installation of XP (not vista, cause it sucks) will fix anything nowadays.
er, i mean, congrats :nervous::yes:
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Feel sorry that you couldn't fix your problem with Vista. Have had few issues with it that were not much easier to fix than XP.
Been running the same installation on this system since February of last year without a single major issue. Cannot say the same for that gob of unstable irritation that is XP.
Of course, I watched the same sort of amusing retro purist bashing when XP began to replace 98/Millenium and 2000.
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Wiping a hard drive is not what I would call "quick", neither is reinstalling windows.
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mmmm , i just change drives, lol its quicker 1 drive 1 system, no hassles
except the letters from the bank that is :hopping:
:D
andi aka captain custard
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I wiped the Hard drive an installed windows xp, hot home basic for Christmas, the drivers from intel and FS runs like it used to before I screwed up and bought a vista computer.
There's actually quite a few advantages to upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows XP (http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx).
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wouldn't that be downgrading if your comming from vista to XP?
EDIT after reading above link: This guy talks about XP like it came after vista. IS that a joke or does he have the two mixed up?
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XP is a bit less buggy than Vista. XP is more reliable than Vista. XP is easier to use than Vista. Therefore, moving from Vista to XP is upgrading. Touché.
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wouldn't that be downgrading if your comming from vista to XP?
EDIT after reading above link: This guy talks about XP like it came after vista. IS that a joke or does he have the two mixed up?
The guy at Best buy argued with me for 2 hours that going back to xp as a downgrade, technically it is. but then technically a helicopter can't fly too.
Basically for those of us that want to be able to use a computer, uninstalling what doesn't work, and installing what does work, is a upgrade any way you look at it.
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Feel sorry that you couldn't fix your problem with Vista. Have had few issues with it that were not much easier to fix than XP.
Been running the same installation on this system since February of last year without a single major issue. Cannot say the same for that gob of unstable irritation that is XP.
Of course, I watched the same sort of amusing retro purist bashing when XP began to replace 98/Millenium and 2000.
I have a close friend that would agree totally with you, he bought the same computer I have with the same operating system I had, and he has not had any problems at all, in fact he's running as good as I am with vista, Its not every vista, some are good some are worthless, I guess it depends on how awake Leroy was when he copied the master disk into all those other disks
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No, it depends on what you plan to do with the OS. XP is good for gaming and modding and doing anything illegal. windows vista is not, and therefor, in my book, is a PoS
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Of course, I watched the same sort of amusing retro purist bashing when XP began to replace 98/Millenium and 2000.
That's cause historically no MS OS has been worth the hassle of installing until after the release of a couple of upgrades for it. Some of them having been worth the hassle even after patching *cough*Windows ME*cough*
I wouldn't have installed XP over 2k when it first came out same as I wouldn't install Vista as my main OS (I might install it on another drive just to see how bad it is for myself).
The only exception I can think of is 2k over ME. But that's cause going back to using punch cards is better than Win ME.
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yeah, ME sucked.
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IIRC, the only reason I didn't like 2000 was because I couldn't play GTA 2 on it, and by the time I tried to play it on XP, they had made a patch and released it for free. And since I was 12 or 13 or something I was like "oMg! Xp EqUaLs YaY!! 2K EqUaLs NaY!! <insert 7 smilies here>"
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I've worked with Vista since it was released. Same with XP. I've spent a great many hours working and gaming on both. Vista is easily the better, more stable system. For older hardware, yes, XP is your best bet. Vista does have steeper requirements. If your hardware is more than two years old, upgrading is iffy.
Vista has several beneficial qualities over XP, number one is that it is much more stable. Another is that it's OS compatibility modes work 90% of the time. XP it's maybe 30%.
Vista's interface is a lot easier to use if you take the ten minutes required to learn it than XP. Going back to an older OS is very cumbersome.
It's hardware and software installation is a lot less of a hassel as well.
You can hold your breath for a service pack update, but I wouldn't. If one is coming at all I doubt it will be very soon unless it is a bunch of superficial updates combined to a "service pack".
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OK your saying that Vista is more stable, now I know for sure that this vista disk my coffee cup is sitting on is totally screwed up cause nothing worked in any mode on it, anything that was vista certified, including the M/S mouse I paid $40 for. In fact Microsoft mouse was the straw that broke the camels back. That and the weekly reloads. I never had any gaming problems with vista. Anybody with vista and no problems has my congrats, good on ya hellbender, I hope vista runs perfect for you for years, and I say that with all honestly.
As for XP, I'm one of the ones that has never had any problems at all with it, not even in the beginning when it was brand new, and believe me I remember everybody complaining about how much better win 98se was than xp. Maybe its the way I use it and what I use it for, I don't run any M/S security so I don't need that stuff, I've had VLC media player since it first came out, love it hate WMP' constant need for a codec ( no problems with wmp in xp yet since the reload)
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You can hold your breath for a service pack update, but I wouldn't. If one is coming at all I doubt it will be very soon unless it is a bunch of superficial updates combined to a "service pack".
XP SP3 will come out about the same time as Vista SP1 - and the beta release of XP SP3 seems to improve performance... read this, there's other useful info here too (like how to slim down your XP install ;) )
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,139911-c,xp/article.html
Download:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_a2ca583dedcd86837796111a632efa29a23f4cc0.exe
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Yea Its about time for a SP 3 for XP, but I have to disagree with that article's statement of "aging desktop OS" The only reason XP is mot on top of the M/S food chain anymore is that theres 5 or 6 different Vista out there. And I find it amusing that vista already needs a service pask LOL Guess the hackers found a way into the most secure system made after all. And XP is gonna be Vista's biggest rival for a long time, just because M/S doesn't support an O/S anymore doesn't mean its now junk, I know people here with business's running windows 98se and the medical field here uses either 2000, of NT.
For now, for me XP rules, If vista sp1 actually fixes stuff I might reinstall it, overwriting xp with vista will be a snap since this computer is set up for both now.
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This summer I bought a laptop, and guess what... there was Vista on it. I decided to give Vista a chance, after all I needed the laptop for university works, not for gaming.
The first thing I did was deactivating the User Account Control. It asked for permission even when I had to defecate! :mad:
The dealer told me that with Vista, the oldest Office you can install is Office 2003 not pirated. False. I installed a cracked copy of Office 2001 :P I downloaded Open Office in case of sudden crashes, though.
When I started uni, I finally got a list of programs I needed. Guess what... none of them worked with Vista :rolleyes: (actually, more recent versions of these programs run on Vista, but I can't have them for free since uni owns academic licenses only for older versions...)
I tried to format the laptop in any way, and finally, after 3 months, I succeded. Now with XP SP2 everything works just fine.
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Theres a lot of stuff that doesn't work with vista, most of it is hardware, or software that runs hardware.
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Seems like some people have problems and some have problems with XP. I've had XP since about a week after it came out, it was a big step up from 95. I think that most of the problems with Vista are the PCs that they sell it on, 75% of which have no chance of running on it.
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Isn't it therefore ridiculous that the latest OS won't run properly on that 75% of new PCs though?
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Really. You go into BestBuy and look at the 500$ PCs claimed to run Vista. Right... :doubt:
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$500 for a PC? It's almost like some people's lives don't revolve completely around their computer and gaming...
Anyway, mine does. As demonstrated by the fact that I'm devoting an entire external hard drive to Freespace. I figure I'll get the ISOs put on there, install FS to the drive, copy over the registry files (so I don't have to re-install if I switch computers), and every single mod/add on I can find, whether I'll play it or not. I'll have all the official SCP releases 3.6.9 on out, all of the MVPs 3.6.8 and up; practically the entire Freespace universe. So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying. Then, when the war ends and there's mutants and aliens everything, I'll have all of FreeSpace to show them. Muhahahaha!! Freespace will live forever!!!
...Okay I got a bit carried away there at the end.
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So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying.
A bunker, you say? In the event of a nuclear war, we're there, dude. Like it or lump it.
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Really. You go into BestBuy and look at the 500$ PCs claimed to run Vista. Right... :doubt:
Well, technically, it will boot up. And it will run. If you call looking at the desktop and waiting five minutes for your web browser to start "running". Same as if you put xp on a p3 with 128mb. I've seen that and it's not pretty.
The problem with Vista isn't that it doesn't run properly on weak computers. It's not meant to (okay, so the official system requirements are too low, but they always are). You (and, more importantly, big companies) wouldn't have to buy a new computer if it did. Everyone says put a decent computer under it and it'll fly. Well, it wont. If someone starts copying files from my computer over the network at the blazing speed of 3mb/s, just moving windows around (with all their blurry aero goodness) stutters. With 4 gigs of ram. :doubt:
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$500 for a PC? It's almost like some people's lives don't revolve completely around their computer and gaming...
Anyway, mine does. As demonstrated by the fact that I'm devoting an entire external hard drive to Freespace. I figure I'll get the ISOs put on there, install FS to the drive, copy over the registry files (so I don't have to re-install if I switch computers), and every single mod/add on I can find, whether I'll play it or not. I'll have all the official SCP releases 3.6.9 on out, all of the MVPs 3.6.8 and up; practically the entire Freespace universe. So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying. Then, when the war ends and there's mutants and aliens everything, I'll have all of FreeSpace to show them. Muhahahaha!! Freespace will live forever!!!
...Okay I got a bit carried away there at the end.
You do know that FSO doesn't need registry files? Or are you talking about retail? I might just use my HDD for that.
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Really. You go into BestBuy and look at the 500$ PCs claimed to run Vista. Right... :doubt:
Well, technically, it will boot up. And it will run. If you call looking at the desktop and waiting five minutes for your web browser to start "running". Same as if you put xp on a p3 with 128mb. I've seen that and it's not pretty.
The problem with Vista isn't that it doesn't run properly on weak computers. It's not meant to (okay, so the official system requirements are too low, but they always are). You (and, more importantly, big companies) wouldn't have to buy a new computer if it did. Everyone says put a decent computer under it and it'll fly. Well, it wont. If someone starts copying files from my computer over the network at the blazing speed of 3mb/s, just moving windows around (with all their blurry aero goodness) stutters. With 4 gigs of ram. :doubt:
Hey I had xp on a p3 with 64 meg or ram, trust me xp ran just fine only took 30 minutes to come on and half an hour to launch freespace:)
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You do know that FSO doesn't need registry files? Or are you talking about retail? I might just use my HDD for that.
Yeah, it's for retail, but of course I haven't played retail in forever. I figure it's good to have 'em just incase a situation ever arises that I'd need em and don't want to install FS again. It's better to be prepared.
Actually I doubt that you need them to play retail FS, but IMHO it's better for the OS to know it's there. For some crazy reason.
So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying.
A bunker, you say? In the event of a nuclear war, we're there, dude. Like it or lump it.
Fine by me. :) The more the merrier; and if you guys bring your own laptops we'll be able to get multi-player going too! Dang, Dooms Day just keeps getting better and better...
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$500 for a PC? It's almost like some people's lives don't revolve completely around their computer and gaming...
Anyway, mine does. As demonstrated by the fact that I'm devoting an entire external hard drive to Freespace. I figure I'll get the ISOs put on there, install FS to the drive, copy over the registry files (so I don't have to re-install if I switch computers), and every single mod/add on I can find, whether I'll play it or not. I'll have all the official SCP releases 3.6.9 on out, all of the MVPs 3.6.8 and up; practically the entire Freespace universe. So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying. Then, when the war ends and there's mutants and aliens everything, I'll have all of FreeSpace to show them. Muhahahaha!! Freespace will live forever!!!
...Okay I got a bit carried away there at the end.
Dude I hate to say this but in the event of a nuclear war I don't think you will be playing FreeSpace
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Really. You go into BestBuy and look at the 500$ PCs claimed to run Vista. Right... :doubt:
Well, technically, it will boot up. And it will run. If you call looking at the desktop and waiting five minutes for your web browser to start "running". Same as if you put xp on a p3 with 128mb. I've seen that and it's not pretty.
The problem with Vista isn't that it doesn't run properly on weak computers. It's not meant to (okay, so the official system requirements are too low, but they always are). You (and, more importantly, big companies) wouldn't have to buy a new computer if it did. Everyone says put a decent computer under it and it'll fly. Well, it wont. If someone starts copying files from my computer over the network at the blazing speed of 3mb/s, just moving windows around (with all their blurry aero goodness) stutters. With 4 gigs of ram. :doubt:
Hey I had xp on a p3 with 64 meg or ram, trust me xp ran just fine only took 30 minutes to come on and half an hour to launch freespace:)
And I thought my AthlonXP 1700+ with 256mb was slow :D
BTW, 30 min = half an hour ;)
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$500 for a PC? It's almost like some people's lives don't revolve completely around their computer and gaming...
Anyway, mine does. As demonstrated by the fact that I'm devoting an entire external hard drive to Freespace. I figure I'll get the ISOs put on there, install FS to the drive, copy over the registry files (so I don't have to re-install if I switch computers), and every single mod/add on I can find, whether I'll play it or not. I'll have all the official SCP releases 3.6.9 on out, all of the MVPs 3.6.8 and up; practically the entire Freespace universe. So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying. Then, when the war ends and there's mutants and aliens everything, I'll have all of FreeSpace to show them. Muhahahaha!! Freespace will live forever!!!
...Okay I got a bit carried away there at the end.
Dude I hate to say this but in the event of a nuclear war I don't think you will be playing FreeSpace
Nonsense!! I will happily play Freespace, oblivious to all else, until the crazy cow-mutant-zombies break into our bunker and eat us!!
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I can sympathize with out of date university software licences, although with the price of tuition you'd think they would have the decency to upgrade.
I'm curious then as to what the system specs are of the machines that run Vista no problem and the ones folks are grinny about. Here's mine, I'm including the whole thing just for comparison's sake. I figure it ought to work out to a reasonable midrange for Vista capable gaming systems:
Vista Home Premium
MSI 865PE Platinum MoBo,
2.8ghz P-IV OC'ED @ 3.2ghz, (11 cooling fans, various placements incl chipsets)
2 gig ddr ram,
512meg Radeon X1650 Pro AGP,
Creative Audigy 2ZS Platinum sound,
300gig HDD space and 2 DVD burners,
Enermax 660 watt power supply,
Itron Scorpius KB, Logitech MX518 Mouse, Saitek X45 Flight Controller
All built in an ugly case I got for cheap because some shipper dropped it off the truck.
The majority of the parts are 2 yrs old or older, except the RAM and video card which were added in November. Previously the system ran 1 gig RAM and a 128 meg Radeon 9800 Pro, but no issues. Main difference has been improved framerates in games like FEAR and Halflife 2 on full settings.
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I really doubt that you need 11 fans, 4 max with good placement should do you, not including chipset/GPU/CPU fans.
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I really doubt that you need 11 fans, 4 max with good placement should do you, not including chipset/GPU/CPU fans.
Trust me, she needs them. We have 3 dogs and 3 cats. I spend at least two days a month clearing the wookies out of the exhaust ports. The house is too small for a dedicated computer room, so they are exposed to the household traffic constantly. I'd rather over do it than take a chance on things clogging up solid when I'm not around.
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I really doubt that you need 11 fans, 4 max with good placement should do you, not including chipset/GPU/CPU fans.
You can never have enough fans (http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/25/66-fan-case-mod-exemplifies-overkill/). Especially with a P4 :P
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My P4 is exposed to a Golden Retriever and two Siamese cats, one of which pulls out his hair. My PC doesn't get hairy.
Is it bad that my heatsink is missing 3 blades?
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$500 for a PC? It's almost like some people's lives don't revolve completely around their computer and gaming...
Anyway, mine does. As demonstrated by the fact that I'm devoting an entire external hard drive to Freespace. I figure I'll get the ISOs put on there, install FS to the drive, copy over the registry files (so I don't have to re-install if I switch computers), and every single mod/add on I can find, whether I'll play it or not. I'll have all the official SCP releases 3.6.9 on out, all of the MVPs 3.6.8 and up; practically the entire Freespace universe. So if there's like a nuclear war or something, I can take a laptop and this into a bunker and play FreeSpace while everyone is dying. Then, when the war ends and there's mutants and aliens everything, I'll have all of FreeSpace to show them. Muhahahaha!! Freespace will live forever!!!
...Okay I got a bit carried away there at the end.
Dude I hate to say this but in the event of a nuclear war I don't think you will be playing FreeSpace
Nonsense!! I will happily play Freespace, oblivious to all else, until the crazy cow-mutant-zombies break into our bunker and eat us!!
You my friend are not right LOL I liek that asset in a person, people liek you are great in combat.
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I would gladly DIE for the nation I'm fighting for!! Provided the combat takes place within the confines of the Freespace 2 open game engine...
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There are 3 little words below your name, look at them...
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I would gladly DIE for the nation I'm fighting for!! Provided the combat takes place within the confines of the Freespace 2 open game engine...
Awww come on come I can tell you reallife stories that will make you have nightmares :)
but your comment does give me a good idea, why not have all wars fought by using computer games? single elimination. No re spawn :)
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I would gladly DIE for the nation I'm fighting for!! Provided the combat takes place within the confines of the Freespace 2 open game engine...
Awww come on come I can tell you reallife stories that will make you have nightmares :)
but your comment does give me a good idea, why not have all wars fought by using computer games? single elimination. No re spawn :)
If my joking were in some way offending anybody, I'm sorry. :nervous:
But I suppose that would be an interesting prospect. With the current presence of UAVs and perhaps more unmanned vehicles in the near future, it's very possible that an even larger portion of combat will be shifted over to remotely controlled devices. And if the world's population would allow multi-national hostilities to be resolved by video game, I'm think we would have far transcended past the existence of foreign affairs as we know it.
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But I suppose that would be an interesting prospect. With the current presence of UAVs and perhaps more unmanned vehicles in the near future, it's very possible that an even larger portion of combat will be shifted over to remotely controlled devices. And if the world's population would allow multi-national hostilities to be resolved by video game, I'm think we would have far transcended past the existence of foreign affairs as we know it.
Here's the problem: the ultimate advantage would be to just actually kill people. Sure, you're duking it out with remote piloted mechs... but what if they had no pilots? Ah! An advantage. So they bomb the control center compound. And people die.
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Dude I hate to say this but in the event of a nuclear war I don't think you will be playing FreeSpace
You think Fallout would be more appropriate? :p
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Here's the problem: the ultimate advantage would be to just actually kill people. Sure, you're duking it out with remote piloted mechs... but what if they had no pilots? Ah! An advantage. So they bomb the control center compound. And people die.
Which in turn leads to the remote piloted mechs being programmed to operate autonomously, and being programmed to hunt down and destroy human mech-operators. And in the end you have SkyNet. :p
I always wondered how robot programming would make the jump from shooting military targets to shooting fleshies.
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Don't arm the machines. Simply have them simulate kills and just get people to report to disintegration chambers.
And shame on anyone who doesn't get the reference. :p
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Lucky me. That's one of the episodes I actually watched. :D
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There are 3 little words below your name, look at them...
There is a number under your name, look at them... Wait... Uhh... :nervous:
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Here's the problem: the ultimate advantage would be to just actually kill people. Sure, you're duking it out with remote piloted mechs... but what if they had no pilots? Ah! An advantage. So they bomb the control center compound. And people die.
Which in turn leads to the remote piloted mechs being programmed to operate autonomously, and being programmed to hunt down and destroy human mech-operators. And in the end you have SkyNet. :p
I always wondered how robot programming would make the jump from shooting military targets to shooting fleshies.
The day that a robot, android whatever name you wish to call it by tell s me know is the day I do what I raised my right hand and swore to God to do. I WILL destroy any automated machine that is capable of independent thought, reason, in fact I WILL destroy anything tries to make me obsolete.
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But I suppose that would be an interesting prospect. With the current presence of UAVs and perhaps more unmanned vehicles in the near future, it's very possible that an even larger portion of combat will be shifted over to remotely controlled devices. And if the world's population would allow multi-national hostilities to be resolved by video game, I'm think we would have far transcended past the existence of foreign affairs as we know it.
Here's the problem: the ultimate advantage would be to just actually kill people. Sure, you're duking it out with remote piloted mechs... but what if they had no pilots? Ah! An advantage. So they bomb the control center compound. And people die.
Less people that would die in actual combat, and less people that have to be in combat, less troops on the front line to have to send supplies too, and less battle fatigue. And there's no garuntee that both sides would have remotely piloted vehicles. And no one said that the entire fighting force would be UCVs. From a strategic standpoint it would be idiotic to enter a war with no actual infantry, and today mechanized support is a must followed by air support and lastly naval.
Seriously, you can get away with replacing certain roles of combat to unmanned vehicles, but for goodness sakes, if there is a country that replaces their entire fighting force with UVs, God help them. They'll need it.
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
Because the original topic was boring and you can never have too many discussions about robots?
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
Because the original topic was boring and you can never have too many discussions about robots?
QFT.
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
1) its a robots fault that my copy of vista didn't work right
2) this thread got hijacked
Pick one
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
1) its a robots fault that my copy of vista didn't work right
2) this thread got hijacked
Pick one
It could be both!
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
*Obligatory joke about SkyNet running Windows Vista*
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wait. why are we talking about robots in a thread thats supposed to be about re-installing XP to fix problems?
1) its a robots fault that my copy of vista didn't work right
2) this thread got hijacked
Pick one
It could be both!
I'd prefer #2 but #1 would give me a new purpose in life :)
( must Terminate the Terminator!)