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Title: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Kosh on January 15, 2008, 06:32:07 am
At the end of the Great War just how much of its fleet had the GTA lost?
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Hippo on January 15, 2008, 08:20:58 am
80%+
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Mad Bomber on January 15, 2008, 10:07:55 am
Including the Hades Rebellion and ships trapped in Sol, I'd say something on the order of 3/4ths of the navy was destroyed, rendered unusable, or otherwise lost.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: achtung on January 15, 2008, 12:42:21 pm
What about the Vasudans?
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Hippo on January 15, 2008, 12:44:23 pm
Homeworld--
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: achtung on January 15, 2008, 12:46:01 pm
Their fleet.  :p
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Koth on January 15, 2008, 12:53:19 pm
I figure that they probably have similar losses. For example, the HoL smashes a whole Vasudan fleet in Beta Aquilae.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Prophet on January 15, 2008, 12:58:14 pm
I'd say that both Terrans and Vasudans had at maximum third of their fleet surviving. They were both equally hit. First the Shivans struck the frontlines. Then Vasudans lost their homeworld and had to cope with HOL. Then Terrans lost their homeworld and had to cope with Hades rebellion.

So Id say 1/3 to 3/4 remaining on both sides. It's impossible to go more accurate. Or even which side sufferet more...
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Goober5000 on January 15, 2008, 01:41:11 pm
For example, the HoL smashes a whole Vasudan fleet in Beta Aquilae.
Vega, if you're referring to sm2-03a.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Prophet on January 15, 2008, 01:45:27 pm
For example, the HoL smashes a whole Vasudan fleet in Beta Aquilae.
Vega, if you're referring to sm2-03a.
Wasnt this the most scary one in the "You know you hava played too much Freespace when..." thread? :lol:
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Koth on January 15, 2008, 01:59:21 pm
For example, the HoL smashes a whole Vasudan fleet in Beta Aquilae.
Vega, if you're referring to sm2-03a.

Ah, sorry. I didn't receive my daily dose of Freespace today.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: haloboy100 on January 15, 2008, 03:41:05 pm
[Ah, sorry. I didn't receive my daily dose of Freespace today.

Thats very essential to your daily income.

I would say both the terrans and vasudans lost at least 75% of their fleet if it took them 32 years to recuporate.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Kosh on January 15, 2008, 06:57:21 pm
[Ah, sorry. I didn't receive my daily dose of Freespace today.

Thats very essential to your daily income.

I would say both the terrans and vasudans lost at least 75% of their fleet if it took them 32 years to recuporate.

Although given the number of Terran great war relics we see in FS2, their original fleets must have been huge......
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: jdjtcagle on January 15, 2008, 07:03:55 pm
I honestly cant see them recuperating after only 32 years...

Major corporations lost, especially since Earth went bye bye.  Resources close to none, since Bosch used the Vasudans recovery to invoke envy across the poor progress on system governments rebuilding their system... (Tech Room) I would say they had a very tough time recuperating.

I'm clapping to the corporations of Freespace 2 instead of the weak system governments of Terran space :p
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Kosh on January 15, 2008, 07:15:07 pm
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I honestly cant see them recuperating after only 32 years...

The Vasudans did, but the Terrans didn't. I'm assuming that during the Shivan rampage they destroyed every space-born installation they could find for both species, but if you combine this with the massive political instability in the GTA after the great war its not hard to see why there were so many fenris and leviathans still in service.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Gamma_Draconis on January 15, 2008, 07:19:38 pm
You might also want to take into consideration the Orions that were built after the Great War. Though there is no canon supporting this, it should be safe to assume the GTA wouldn't just stop building destroyers especially during the dire conditions they were in. The older Orions like the Bastions were mothballed but I think we can assume that some of the newer Orions are still in service. The Bastion was probably newer than the Galatea from the looks of the menu screen. I wonder exactly how long Orions have been in service.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Hippo on January 15, 2008, 08:03:18 pm
The Orions weren't mothballed until shortly before the fs2 campaign started, because 14 months prior the NTF rebellion had started, and the Orions would have needed capture as opposed to defection, and as noted by the 53rd Ravens leader who mentioned the Bastion only recently having been retired.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 15, 2008, 10:58:59 pm
I'm clapping to the corporations of Freespace 2 instead of the weak system governments of Terran space :p

"Triton Dynamics...Subach-Innes...and the Akheton corp."

That was from memory. From the wiki:

"Triton Dynamics, Subach-Innes and the Akheton Corporation"

0wned.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Killer Whale on January 15, 2008, 11:13:45 pm
Was the galatea the ship that got a whole blown through it by the lucifer in the battle of deneb (freespace 2 introductory cutscene)? I'm only saying that because that's the only orion from the Great War that was destroyed that i know of (the other was the bastion, but that was still around in FS2 to blow up a node)
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Koth on January 15, 2008, 11:17:59 pm
The GTA also lost the GTD Amadeus and according to the Nephilim tech entry they ''lost two Orion class destroyers to a wing of Nephilims'' .
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Gamma_Draconis on January 15, 2008, 11:19:42 pm
Was the galatea the ship that got a whole blown through it by the lucifer in the battle of deneb (freespace 2 introductory cutscene)? I'm only saying that because that's the only orion from the Great War that was destroyed that i know of (the other was the bastion, but that was still around in FS2 to blow up a node)

No, the Galatea was the destroyer that you were stationed on in the original Freespace. It was destroyed by the Lucifer around half way into the game. Afterwards, the player was stationed on the Bastion. The Galatea looked awfully old judging by its menu screen compared to the Bastion which felt more modern.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Hippo on January 15, 2008, 11:22:41 pm
the one in the FS2 intro was the Legion
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: blowfish on January 15, 2008, 11:29:31 pm
IIRC, it wasn't [V] that named it the Legion

Quote from: Freespace Wiki
Volition was fairly clear this ship was not the Galatea. A community member asked if the ship could be called the Legion. Volition responded, "Call it that if you want," so the ship is generally referred to as the Legion.
Title: Re: Great War GTA fleet losses
Post by: Hippo on January 15, 2008, 11:34:16 pm
The wiki fails to note that either todd or pletcher or one of them tossed out the legion's name prior to it being formally asked, hence the obsession on it as opposed to some other.