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Title: Coward saves plane
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 20, 2008, 02:38:51 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7198598.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7198732.stm
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Rictor on January 20, 2008, 03:40:10 pm
Pff, any old coward could have done that.
 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: karajorma on January 20, 2008, 04:04:03 pm
If you're in an airplane only a few hundred feet from the ground and all the engines suddenly and mysteriously cut out you're a fool if you don't think everyone dying is the most likely outcome. :D


Now lets see if the FAA ground the entire 777 fleet when it's an American plane that suddenly seems to be dangerous to fly. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Stealth on January 20, 2008, 10:05:01 pm
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An initial report into the crash-landing by the Air Accident Investigations Branch (AAIB) found the jet's engines failed to respond to demands for increased thrust from the crew two miles from touchdown.

The AAIB is now investigating "the range of aircraft systems that could influence engine operation", and a more detailed analysis of the flight recorder is also taking place.

i didn't know that... i thought everything related to landing was pretty much controlled either by the plane or by the captain.  i didn't know that the plane got instructions (wtf?!) from the ground to increase thrust.  did that mean the captain couldn't increase the thrust manually!?
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Herra Tohtori on January 20, 2008, 10:27:07 pm
I can't help but associate, the scifi-nerd I am... :p

[Excerpt from the cockpit voice recorder]

"This landing is gonna get pretty interesting."
"Define 'interesting.'"
"Oh god oh god, we're all gonna die?"
"This is the captain. We have a little problem with our final approach, so we may experience some slight turbulence, and then explode."
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Dark Hunter on January 21, 2008, 12:13:51 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Unknown Target on January 21, 2008, 12:21:50 am
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An initial report into the crash-landing by the Air Accident Investigations Branch (AAIB) found the jet's engines failed to respond to demands for increased thrust from the crew two miles from touchdown.

The AAIB is now investigating "the range of aircraft systems that could influence engine operation", and a more detailed analysis of the flight recorder is also taking place.

i didn't know that... i thought everything related to landing was pretty much controlled either by the plane or by the captain.  i didn't know that the plane got instructions (wtf?!) from the ground to increase thrust.  did that mean the captain couldn't increase the thrust manually!?

Er...no, it means that two miles from the ground the Captain couldn't get the engines to respond. You read it wrong - everything on approach is controlled by the pilot, unless the tower orders him to do something. :p
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 21, 2008, 12:22:30 am
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An initial report into the crash-landing by the Air Accident Investigations Branch (AAIB) found the jet's engines failed to respond to demands for increased thrust from the crew two miles from touchdown.

The AAIB is now investigating "the range of aircraft systems that could influence engine operation", and a more detailed analysis of the flight recorder is also taking place.

i didn't know that... i thought everything related to landing was pretty much controlled either by the plane or by the captain.  i didn't know that the plane got instructions (wtf?!) from the ground to increase thrust.  did that mean the captain couldn't increase the thrust manually!?

I read those paragraphs as:

The crew on board the aircraft could not get the engines to increase thrust (from the cockpit, I guess) when the plane was two miles from the runway.

The AAIB is now investigating why the engines wouldn't respond to the cockpit controls.


There's another article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7196945.stm) that states:
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At approximately 600ft and two miles from touch down, the autothrottle demanded an increase in thrust from the two engines, but the engines did not respond.

Following further demands for increased thrust from the autothrottle, and subsequently the flight crew moving the throttle levers, the engines similarly failed to respond.

Given the big stink over the 787's passenger network being connected to the cockpit network, I would expect that I would've heard something in the news by now if aircraft towers did get control of planes on touchdown...that seems like a massive vulnerability to terrorist attack, given that there would be the possibility that somebody could sit out in a field and overrev the airplane's engines to crash it into the terminal. Or take full control of the aircraft and fly it over to the nearest target of opportunity.

I hope the FAA isn't that stupid.
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Mefustae on January 21, 2008, 03:06:36 am
I can't help but associate, the scifi-nerd I am... :p

[Excerpt from the cockpit voice recorder]

"This landing is gonna get pretty interesting."
"Define 'interesting.'"
"Oh god oh god, we're all gonna die?"
"This is the captain. We have a little problem with our final approach, so we may experience some slight turbulence, and then explode."

Explode!? I don't wanna explode!
Title: Re: Coward saves plane
Post by: Dysko on January 21, 2008, 03:26:01 am
All this "airplane remote-controlled from control tower" thingy reminds me of the first scenes of the movie "Airplane II" :lol: