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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: eliex on January 21, 2008, 11:33:28 pm
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Kara once said that he'd ban anyone if he/she said Freespace reasoning was: c'mon peoples, it's just a game already!!! ;)
I'm not sure whether kara's kidding or not so I'm going to play safe.
You know right now that people nowadays are CRAZY *exaggerated* about genetic engineering . . .
Also, people nowadays are CRAZY . . . no INSANE about their pets right?
Doggies . . . Birdies . . .
Kitties . . . Fishies . . . ET CETERA!!! :nod:
Fleazies . . . Buzzy Bees . . .
Animals can be other people's guardians right? Maybe 'cause we're in the army world where such luxuries don't apply but have you considered in boarding parties . . .
NTCv Guinea Pig, surrender right away. We have got ULTRA-CYBERNETIC WOLVES that can run at the rate of 40km/h and are very, very hard to kill. Enjoy. :rolleyes:
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:wtf: I don't get it........
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Were you under the influence when you typed this up?
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Were you under the influence when you typed this up?
Good guess, but either he is always under the influence while making threads, or there is some other underlying problem.
No offense eliex, but some of your threads are pretty weird.
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I get that all the time!! :D
So no probs!!
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GTVA using geneteicly-modified cyborg pets? ... Pokemon, meet terminator/robocop :lol:
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Kara once said that he'd ban anyone if he/she said Freespace reasoning was: c'mon peoples, it's just a game already!!! ;)
I'm not sure whether kara's kidding or not so I'm going to play safe.
You know right now that people nowadays are CRAZY *exaggerated* about genetic engineering . . .
Also, people nowadays are CRAZY . . . no INSANE about their pets right?
Doggies . . . Birdies . . .
Kitties . . . Fishies . . . ET CETERA!!! :nod:
Fleazies . . . Buzzy Bees . . .
Animals can be other people's guardians right? Maybe 'cause we're in the army world where such luxuries don't apply but have you considered in boarding parties . . .
NTCv Guinea Pig, surrender right away. We have got ULTRA-CYBERNETIC WOLVES that can run at the rate of 40km/h and are very, very hard to kill. Enjoy. :rolleyes:
You lost me at the second paragraph.
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There are no Furries in Freespace, it's a Spikies-only club :p
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Well, you would know.
Edit - Where the hell is my monkey avatar? WHY AM I NOT SPECIAL ANYMORE?! (seems like a thread to ***** about that considering the topic)
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I think he's talking about the potential for genetically altered creatures to be let lose onto enemy ships. At least, I think that's what he means.
In that case, I suppose if you got a fairly quick transport to cut a hole into the docking port (after having fighter cover knock out the turrets with a line-of-sight) then it would be a fairly good way of taking out some of the medium sized capital ships.
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Not only taking them out, also to gain control on them with no major damage to the ship! Ok, there might be some blood on the walls, but that can be washed out :nervous:
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Assuming you can control the furry fury you just unleashed.
Assuming you pokemon-wannabe soldiers are smart enough to know how to cut trough sealed doors, deactivate security mesures and generally fight a guy with a machinegun. Swarming works only in bad movies.
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And in the Iran-Iraq war!
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Assuming you can control the furry fury you just unleashed.
Assuming you pokemon-wannabe soldiers are smart enough to know how to cut trough sealed doors, deactivate security mesures and generally fight a guy with a machinegun. Swarming works only in bad movies.
Furry fury?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/ngtm1r/ROWR__by_reiq.jpg)
NATO proverb: Quantity has a quality all its own. Noob. :p
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Alright, sorry about the lack of clarity of my intro- post.
What exactly the topic is about is the non-human,vasudan, shivan species mentioned and seen in the Freespace universe. So the question is WHAT happens to them?
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:wtf:
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Besides the Ancients, there are no other specific races mentioned in Freespace. We know that the Ancients annihilated many races, and it is probable that the Shivans annihilated many before the Ancients. As far as we know, the Terrans and Vasudans have yet to encounter any other sentient life forms. It is possible that they could in the future though. Could make an interesting campaign story.
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Man... I cannot believe you were trying to make a topic about what happened to the Ancients without even using the word Ancients and somehow incorporating genetic engineering with some... other... thing. It's like trying to read a book with words written in every language that ever existed.
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Kara once said that he'd ban anyone if he/she said Freespace reasoning was: c'mon peoples, it's just a game already!!! ;)
I'm not sure whether kara's kidding or not so I'm going to play safe.
I said that because I was tired of people debating how subspace engines work or why the Shivans acted a certain way and having to read posts from people who simply replied "It's just a game!"
That's nothing but spam really as we all know it's a game.
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Man... I cannot believe you were trying to make a topic about what happened to the Ancients without even using the word Ancients and somehow incorporating genetic engineering with some... other... thing. It's like trying to read a book with words written in every language that ever existed.
No, you totally got me all wrong there.
What exactly I'm making the thread on is what happens to the animals/bugs etc that exist NOW.
So planets NEED an ecosystem right? Bugs eat plants, lizards eat bugs, snakes eat lizards, eagles eate lizards and so on.
So what happens to those animals and how they evolve < side extension >
NO - Ancients
Unknown non-canon species
Sorry for the mess-up. :)
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So basically, this topic is about the non-sentient species in the FS universe, or did I see that wrong?
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I'm sure they exist. Probably all of the useful plants and animals would be imported to any habitable planets. I'd imagine it would be hard to import every single species (think of how many that is).
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I'm sure they exist. Probably all of the useful plants and animals would be imported to any habitable planets. I'd imagine it would be hard to import every single species (think of how many that is).
Reminds me of the story of Noah! :lol:
"The animals went in two by two
Hurrah, Hurrah!"
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Except they'd need a lot more than two if they wanted a speices to survive on its own.
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Except they'd need a lot more than two if they wanted a speices to survive on its own.
Nah, cloning.
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Nah, cloning.
Nah, genetic diversity.
Your clones would inbreed.
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Nah, cloning.
Nah, genetic diversity.
Your clones would inbreed.
Yes, they would. That assumes however that you'd be trying to keep the population up by natural means instead of just periodicly making more clones and releasing them. Which is a crappy way of doing things expense-wise, but possible.
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Nah, cloning.
Nah, genetic diversity.
Your clones would inbreed.
Life will find a way :p
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Bokanovskification, anyone?
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Apsu-Hek?
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Well, it took over a page but I finally understood what this thread is about. I assume most species would have survived, particularly the ones that humans grow commercially. What I am interested in through, is if the GTVA ever encountered critters on other planets. What kind of animals existed on Vasuda Prime? Volition left us with so little information about the ecology of their universe that it is almost impossible to speculate on the subject.
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There is no canon information about ecology on other planets, however, it seems likely that there were other organisms on Vasuda Prime, considering the existance of the Vasudans, an advanced from of life.
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If we consider this using the Ancient rantings of the FreeSpace 1 as material then the FreeSpace universe must be (well.. at least must have been) filled with life. That is the Ancients themselves had habit of wiping out anything remotely resembling a sentient species and according to the rantings they did it a lot. And the Shivans wiped them out. If we assume that neither the Shivans nor the Ancients were not beginners but rather experienced in their genocidal practices we can see that the sentient life alone must have been (or still is) extremely common in the FreeSpace universe as Shivans probably had/have wiped out several 'Ancient-like' species who in turn have wiped out several lesser species and so on...
And if the sentient life alone was that common then the 'almost sentient' and/or lower lifeforms must be extremely common in the FreeSapce universe. In addition to the one imported from Terra/Vasuda or where ever.
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Yeah, non-sentient (or semi-sentient, like dolphins or monkeys) species must be pretty common in the universe. However, they're probably not quite 'useful' for the GTVA, so no one ever mentions them in the game.
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The Apsu-Hek provided the inspiration for the Tauret if anything.
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The Apsu-Hek provided the inspiration for the Tauret if anything.
True, but it could have been something like the Ancient Egyptian scarab, as well... It's never said that the Apsu-Hek are intelligent...
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Well they're almost certainly not sentient...
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Well we all know Vasudans wuv fishes, so there must be a few fish out there in the universe! :P
Apsu-Hek?
What's that?
[EDIT] Oh right! (http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/ships/tauret.shtml)So that's it is it? [/EDIT]
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Slightly off-topic question, but what do you suppose the GTVA would do if they encountered a medieval or Roman stage species, or even a species with our current tech level?
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they would conquer it, of course :p!
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Blegh, they'd just pump us full of nukes..... assuming they've had a MASSIVE arms build-up similar to the Cold War, that is.
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Blegh, they'd just pump us full of nukes..... assuming they've had a MASSIVE arms build-up similar to the Cold War, that is.
Considering the dynamics of the game (and also going on the theory that all speeds in the game are relative to each other rather than just "speeds in space"), a nuclear ballistic missile would proabably travel about the speed of a fighter (65+ m/s). At that speed we would able to shoot them down like bombs. I seriously doubt that space ships in the 24th century would go so horrendously slow.
Oh, and if they're at the level of the Romans...
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That's a pretty good picture :lol:
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I love it. The GTVA rules. :yes2::pimp::yes:
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Blegh, they'd just pump us full of nukes..... assuming they've had a MASSIVE arms build-up similar to the Cold War, that is.
The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
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In addition I doubt that fighters would move slower than a 747 either.
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
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From his ass.
However, his ass appears to be a very reliable resource.
Fusion bomb surrounded by 3 salted fission bombs - propulsion unit is a half-size version of a regulation GTA fighter thruster (Class II) - given the weight of the payloads, the missile is slow despite the power of the thruster - as the Harbinger is exceptionally large, GTA bombers are limited to carrying 6 of these weapons at any given time - the resultant shock wave from this weapon is potentially deadly, due to the size of the payloads (5000 Mt in total) - use near allied installations or allied ship groupings is strongly discouraged by the GTA - most effective when used in preemptive defensive strike against non-military installations.
The Harbinger is our best chance of destroying the Lucifer.
5000 megatons. That's 5,000,000 kilotons. The bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 16 kilotons.
Oh, and the MX-50 in FS1 was 16 kilotons too.
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Ok. But something stinks here. The fury tech description says that it had a payload of 3kt, and does 30 damage points. The Harbinger has a payload of 5000mt (5,000,000 kilotons), and does 3200 damage points. That means it has 1.6 million times the payload but only does just over 100 times the damage.
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Ok. But something stinks here. The fury tech description says that it had a payload of 3kt, and does 30 damage points. The Harbinger has a payload of 5000mt (5,000,000 kilotons), and does 3200 damage points. That means it has 1.6 million times the payload but only does just over 100 times the damage.
Canon inconsistensies. I guess doing math is the last thing on your mind when trying to meet publisher's deadlines.
From his ass.
However, his ass appears to be a very reliable resource.
- "I'm telling you. My theory is flawless."
- "Oh yeah? What proof do you have to back up your assumptions?"
- "kietotheworld's ass."
- "Oh..."
- "Touché."
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5000 megatons. That's 5,000,000 kilotons. The bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 16 kilotons.
Oh, and the MX-50 in FS1 was 16 kilotons too.
What? How is that logically possible? I mean, it has to be like special uber powerful very high explosives or something.
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In that respect FS is completely ****ed up. :D
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
Harbinger tech description saying it's 5000Mt, and the fact that the Tsar Bomba was 100Mt.
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Urm, I know I asked, but I doubt the GTVA would conquer some backwater planet just for the fun of it. It goes against all their precious ideals. But would they ignore them, or assimilate them, or make some horrendous mistake on first contact and get eaten? (ha ha)
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Alright, I don't get it, why do people here make out that the GTVA Command is rather dumb?
Not that I have a problem, just interested. ;)
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Just play through he main campagn again, then ask yourself: "What would have happened if I were in command of the fleet?"
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Alright, I don't get it, why do people here make out that the GTVA Command is rather dumb?
Not that I have a problem, just interested. ;)
The reasons are many.
- "Let's send 4 Myrmidons to stop a frigate. Yes. Excellent."
- "Let's attack the Ravana head-on with our warships now that we've seen what it can do to a Deimos. Yes. Excellent."
- "Let's enslave the weapon systems of the Warspite completely to the TAG missiles carried by a couple of Ulysseyeses. Yee-haw!"
- "Let's stick several capital ships in front of the Capella node to stop the Sathanas that is heading straight at them. Yes. Excellent."
- "Let's never shoot the Iceni when we have the chance. Yes. Fantastic."
And the list goes on. Maybe if Command asked itself 'What would Jesus do?', the GTVA might have succeeded better.
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The reasons are many.
- "Let's send 4 Myrmidons to stop a frigate. Yes. Excellent."
- "Let's attack the Ravana head-on with our warships now that we've seen what it can do to a Deimos. Yes. Excellent."
- "Let's enslave the weapon systems of the Warspite completely to the TAG missiles carried by a couple of Ulysseyeses. Yee-haw!"
- "Let's stick several capital ships in front of the Capella node to stop the Sathanas that is heading straight at them. Yes. Excellent."
- "Let's never shoot the Iceni when we have the chance. Yes. Fantastic."
And the list goes on. Maybe if Command asked itself 'What would Jesus do?', the GTVA might have succeeded better.
Either Command is stupid or he had a special, secret agenda.
Jesus wouldn't have done anything, he was not an earthly messiah. :P
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
Harbinger tech description saying it's 5000Mt, and the fact that the Tsar Bomba was 100Mt.
Engage nitpicking mode! Actually the Tsar Bomb had a yield of 50 to 57MT but its design permitted up to 100Mt. I also think that all those Iceni mishaps were part of a plan to get ETAK.
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I also think that all those Iceni mishaps were part of a plan to get ETAK.
Yeah that's pretty obvious.
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I also think that all those Iceni mishaps were part of a plan to get ETAK.
Yeah that's pretty obvious.
Really? Who woulda thunk it?
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
Harbinger tech description saying it's 5000Mt, and the fact that the Tsar Bomba was 100Mt.
I honestly stopped paying attention to any techincal numbers in various Sci-Fi universes...as usual, people making the universe up pull up numbers from their a**, using numbers that sound "cool", without actually checking them out if they work (simple math...SIMPLE MATH!). Therefore, any canon damage/power output number (be it FS or SW or ST) means as much to me as does the dirt beneath my fingernails...
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It's called fiction Trashman.
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
Harbinger tech description saying it's 5000Mt, and the fact that the Tsar Bomba was 100Mt.
I honestly stopped paying attention to any techincal numbers in various Sci-Fi universes...as usual, people making the universe up pull up numbers from their a**, using numbers that sound "cool", without actually checking them out if they work (simple math...SIMPLE MATH!). Therefore, any canon damage/power output number (be it FS or SW or ST) means as much to me as does the dirt beneath my fingernails...
But thing's don't scale up quite like you'd think they do. I'd guess that the blast, while causing heavy damage at the point of impact, will dissipate.
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It's called fiction Trashman.
Which still doesn't justifiy internal inconsistencies or conflicts or "crimes against common sense".
But thing's don't scale up quite like you'd think they do. I'd guess that the blast, while causing heavy damage at the point of impact, will dissipate.
Yes, I'm quite aware of that for bombs/torps. Like I said, all that is needed is some basic knowledge of physics and some basic maths...but 99% of sci-fi authors are too lazy to check what they are writing.
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Which still doesn't justifiy internal inconsistencies or conflicts or "crimes against common sense".
I think it does, actually, especially when it comes to something as irrelevant as this. Science is nice and everything, but a good story is always more important than being accurate about the number of kilotons a bomb should have.
Really, if you're a stickler for good science, there's many far more glaring things about Freespace than that. It's soft SF - it's not supposed to be about that stuff.
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Depends what it is..Sci-Fi is not pure science so taking liberties with some technologies is not something I really mind.
What I mind is when the writers contradict themselves.
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GTVA needs to be careful exploring for life out there.
One of their ships might accidentally pick up: Xenomorphs, Crites, or even Space herpes...
Brought back to a GTVA planet they are screwed... :)
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
Harbinger tech description saying it's 5000Mt, and the fact that the Tsar Bomba was 100Mt.
I honestly stopped paying attention to any techincal numbers in various Sci-Fi universes...as usual, people making the universe up pull up numbers from their a**, using numbers that sound "cool", without actually checking them out if they work (simple math...SIMPLE MATH!). Therefore, any canon damage/power output number (be it FS or SW or ST) means as much to me as does the dirt beneath my fingernails...
Partially seconded. Some power specifications in the SW universe are so overly ridiculous. What happened with the times SW was all about fun instead of number crunching :sigh:
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The Largest Earth Nukes today are 50 times less potent than a single Harbinger. You could fire every single earth nuke at an Orion and barely scratch it.
Really. Where do you get this number from?
Harbinger tech description saying it's 5000Mt, and the fact that the Tsar Bomba was 100Mt.
I honestly stopped paying attention to any techincal numbers in various Sci-Fi universes...as usual, people making the universe up pull up numbers from their a**, using numbers that sound "cool", without actually checking them out if they work (simple math...SIMPLE MATH!). Therefore, any canon damage/power output number (be it FS or SW or ST) means as much to me as does the dirt beneath my fingernails...
Partially seconded. Some power specifications in the SW universe are so overly ridiculous. What happened with the times SW was all about fun instead of number crunching :sigh:
It still is about fun if you want it to be. The extremely large numbers are there so that certain people can go to Star Trek fans and go "Ha ha, the death star would murder the enterprise." You can ignore them if you like.
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I want uber cybernetic wolves.
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With near fusion density, iridium-veridium compound claws.
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Cybernetic wolves? WAR KITTENS!
http://io9.com/357675/evil-outer-space-dictators-just-want-kittens
(Actually, that was somewhat less entertaining than I remembered it being, but, uh, yes, there is the link.)
Anyway, I imagine that if we ever do achieve space travel those sad little yield numbers will seem stupendously naive. That said, they're pure fantasy -- this isn't hard SF. It's not a big deal to me, at least, but I can understand the desire for rigor.
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I think those MT indications are ridiculous, and that's probably why they omitted them in FS2. I calculated the power needed to detonate a Sathanas, using the 5000MT of the Harbinger bomb, and came to -IIRC- 1 500 000 megatons, far more than ever produced on Earth. (A supernova is estimated at 1028 megatons, so don't care about that :D) A Subach would surpass the Hiroshima bomb five times per second.
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Yeah, that'd dumb...