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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: woodburner on January 27, 2008, 05:43:46 pm

Title: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: woodburner on January 27, 2008, 05:43:46 pm

Alright. This is me again. I've settled down and made some missions, and now I want to make a mod or 2. But Where IS weapons.TBL????

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad: :mad2: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Sorry, I've only had, like, 3 months of experience with FRED. I'm not the greatest game designer ever.

P.S. too bad you can't normally have chainguns or rail weapons in FS2.  :)

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 27, 2008, 05:47:35 pm

Root_fs2.vp.

And please stop expressing your emotions with a flood of smilies. Particularly with scrolling ones.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: blowfish on January 27, 2008, 05:51:31 pm

Yes, its in root_fs2.vp, though if you want to base your mods off of current weapons, you might also want to look at the TBMs in MV_Effects.vp (assuming you have mediavps).  I would recommend creating your mods using a TBM ( insertsometablenamehere-wep.tbm ).  And you can probably create a chaingun or railgun effect with modified lasers (for instance, having an extremely high rate of fire).

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: woodburner on January 28, 2008, 02:39:57 pm

How do you open it? It tells me it needs to "use the Web to find a program" to launch it.

P.S. OK. Just it's harder to express myself in words.
"I feel... um... saddissapointedashamedofmyselfamaturishunhappyfrusturated." Got it?

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Wanderer on January 28, 2008, 02:49:48 pm

There are several tools available for opening VP files. Like VPView as well as the more VP editor style VPMage, Maja and such.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/FAQ/tools.html
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Maja

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 28, 2008, 03:19:30 pm

QuickVP (http://scp.indiegames.us/download.php?view.124) is an option too. As is Maja, which you can get from Useful Stuff (link in my signature). That "Use the Web..." is some freaky solution that tries to find out a program for handling an unknown file type from a Microsoft database. And I assure you. That feature knows about file types as much as a baked potato knows about astrophysics.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: woodburner on January 29, 2008, 03:12:55 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH!

I CAN'T EDIT IT, FOR SOME STRANGE REASON!!! HELP!!!

unless I'm overlooking something really obvious... :rolleyes:

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 29, 2008, 03:16:35 pm

Quote from: woodburner on January 29, 2008, 03:12:55 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH!
I CAN'T EDIT IT, FOR SOME STRANGE REASON!!! HELP!!!

Yelling gets you nowhere. Please calm down.

Then, which one of the following did you skip?

1. Get a vp viewing program.
2. Use the vp viewing program to extract ships.tbl from Root_fs2.vp.
3. Open ships.tbl with Notepad or some other plain text editor.
4. Modify and save.
5. Enjoy.
6. Mmm.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: karajorma on January 29, 2008, 04:41:29 pm

Probably step 4. He needs to save it to Data\Tables in order to get it to work.


Now who wants to explain that he should have been using a mod folder and/or a .tbm all along? :p

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: haloboy100 on January 29, 2008, 11:16:40 pm

Quote from: Lobo on January 27, 2008, 05:47:35 pm

And please stop expressing your emotions with a flood of smilies. Particularly with scrolling ones.

would you rather see

Quote from: woodburner on January 29, 2008, 03:12:55 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH!
I CAN'T EDIT IT, FOR SOME STRANGE REASON!!! HELP!!!

or

Quote from: woodburner on January 27, 2008, 05:43:46 pm

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad: :mad2: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

*insert reason why pissed here*

?

I prefer a wave of smiley faces then massive text. And there is this little button under "additional options" when you post called "don't use smileys". I think it's a profile option too.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 30, 2008, 04:12:06 am

I was thinking more along the lines of just saying 'Me sad' or 'I am not amused', instead of three lines of shouting or 30 smilies in a row.

Then, to business. woodburner, do the following.

- Open your \freespace\ directory
- Create a folder called 'mybigmod' to your \freespace\ directory
- create a folder called 'data' to your 'mybigmod' directory
- create a folder called 'tables' to the 'data' folder inside your 'mybigmod' directory
- Once you've edited your new ships.tbl enough, save it to the \mybigmod\data\tables folder you've just created

I'm not that big a cheese on FREDding so if someone wiser wanted to explain the command line hassle to him...

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: karajorma on January 30, 2008, 04:36:21 am

Quote

How can I get FRED to accept a mod?

FRED now accepts mods in a similar way to FS2_Open. Since FRED doesn't have a launcher you have to make a shortcut and give that a command line option pointing FRED at the mod using the -mod flag.
If you don't know how to do that I'll explain.

   1. Open up your FreeSpace2 folder and right click on your FRED2_Open exe.
   2. Choose Create Shortcut.
   3. Right click on the new shortcut and choose properties.
   4. In the Target box type -mod Your Mod's Name after all the stuff already present (It will read something like F:\Games\FreeSpace2\Fred2_Open_r.exe -mod someMod once you're finished)
   5. Click Okay
   6. Use the shortcut to run FRED.

I find it best to make a folder full of such shortcuts on my desktop. That way I can run FRED for any of the several campaigns I'm working on with a couple of mouse clicks.

Slightly edited from the FAQ.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: woodburner on January 30, 2008, 01:10:07 pm

Oops. :D

Thanks so much! I was really depressed, sad, confused, frustrated, amateurish, disappointed, and desperate-for-redemption because my old computer, a windows ME, was screwed and one day I opened Notepad and I couldn't write anything. that was why I was E-screaming and using excessive smilies (or should I say angries). Why shis is moving is because if it wasn't this would be a million lines long. Thanks! ;)

 

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 30, 2008, 01:20:49 pm

Quote from: woodburner on January 30, 2008, 01:10:07 pm

I was really depressed, sad, confused, frustrated, amateurish, disappointed, and desperate-for-redemption

Yes, yes. We all are. But seriously. Numerous smilies, all-capital letters, exessive use of exclamation marks and writing lengthy responses with the scrolling function are all Neddy No-Nos. If you keep up with this, I'll be forced to track you down and drag my ass up there to do unspeakable things to your mailbox.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: woodburner on January 30, 2008, 02:06:53 pm

sorry. I didn't know moving messages were annoying, I just wanted to save space and make it less dull.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: karajorma on January 30, 2008, 02:15:19 pm

Scrolling messages are about the biggest way to make certain 90% of people don't give a **** what you have to say while the other 10% flame you for it.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: haloboy100 on January 30, 2008, 05:21:15 pm

Quote from: karajorma on January 30, 2008, 02:15:19 pm

Scrolling messages are about the biggest way to make certain 90% of people don't give a **** what you have to say while the other 10% flame you for it.

Can't argue with that.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: nubbles526 on January 31, 2008, 02:58:56 pm

*Cough* going back on topic...

Is there a program which is made specifically to modify tbls? TBLView can only view them, not edit them.

Quote from: Lobo on January 29, 2008, 03:16:35 pm

Quote from: woodburner on January 29, 2008, 03:12:55 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH!
I CAN'T EDIT IT, FOR SOME STRANGE REASON!!! HELP!!!

Please calm down.

Hehe, kind of having a flashback on Lt. Ash, and Riviera saying 'Sir, it's going to be alright' Probably woodburn would be like 'NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! YOU WERE NOT THERE!'

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 31, 2008, 03:01:34 pm

Quote from: nubbles526 on January 31, 2008, 02:58:56 pm

Is there a program which is made specifically to modify tbls? TBLView can only view them, not edit them.

Notepad.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: haloboy100 on January 31, 2008, 03:02:25 pm

good ol' notepad.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on January 31, 2008, 03:40:42 pm

My all time favorite the MS-DOS editor.  Although lately I've just been using notepad as well.  For you die hards there is always EDLIN.  :lol:

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: woodburner on January 31, 2008, 04:32:11 pm

well, thanks people. Now I know how to mod (simple things) and how NOT to sound like an obnoxious, over-emotiona,l drunk, psycho, post freak.  Now I can happily take down the barbed wire around my mailbox. :nervous: I guess my excuse is I'm still young.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Wanderer on January 31, 2008, 04:38:54 pm

I would recommend something like notepad+, crimson edit or araneae instead of the 'standard issue' notepad. Line numbers etc make it a tad easier.

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: haloboy100 on January 31, 2008, 07:56:56 pm

Quote from: woodburner on January 31, 2008, 04:32:11 pm

well, thanks people. Now I know how to mod (simple things) and how NOT to sound like an obnoxious, over-emotiona,l drunk, psycho, post freak.  Now I can happily take down the barbed wire around my mailbox. :nervous: I guess my excuse is I'm still young.

If your as young as me (almost 14, getting my learner's soon by the way), then i know how you feel. Otherwise, good revalation ;)

Title: Re: where IS weapons.tbl
Post by: Aardwolf on February 06, 2008, 07:29:50 pm

All hail Vi! The ultimate editor!

Just kidding. If what you need is line numbers, use something with line numbers. It's as simple as that.