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Title: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: karajorma on January 31, 2008, 12:46:10 pm
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080128/195457100.shtml

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Rich Kulawiec writes in to let us know about a ridiculous situation in Florida, that has some similarities to the ridiculous Julie Amero situation. Basically, a bunch of school officials and local newspaper folks are freaking out about the potential for students to access porn and are blaming the wrong people while displaying stunning levels of ignorance.

The basics of the situation are pretty straightforward. A cop who works at a middle school in Florida has a MySpace account, that he set up with the approval of the police department and the school, hoping it would allow him to connect with the kids he's supposed to be protecting. One of his many, many friends on MySpace happened to link to a porn site on their own profile. So, because one friend out of a huge list of friends happens to link to a porn page, the cop is now under investigation with the local paper dramatizing the situation by noting that students could (gasp!) get to porn "in just three clicks." Apparently, they're investigating whether the officer is criminally liable for exposing children to inappropriate content -- yes, because someone on his friend's list linked to porn. Under that definition, an awful lot of people are probably guilty.

Ah, but the story gets better (or worse, actually). You see, after some investigation, people noticed that the school's own website actually linked directly to a porn site itself -- which would seem a lot worse than what the police officer did. In this case, the school had a list of "resources" and one of the links was on a domain that had expired and was taken over by a porn site. Now, using the logic that the school used in having the police officer investigated, shouldn't the school officials also be investigated? Apparently not. Instead, they're angry about the changing domain and are looking at "legal recourse."

So, to summarize: If you happen to work at a school and have a MySpace profile where one friend of many links to a porn site via his own MySpace page: potentially illegal exposure of porn to children. If you work at a school and set up a website that directly links to porn: you're a victim who should be suing the website in question. Very logical.

Um. What?  :wtf:
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Admiral_Stones on January 31, 2008, 02:10:01 pm
Ouch. Americans can be more then extremly stupid some times. Didn't think thats possible.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Koth on January 31, 2008, 02:14:43 pm
(http://www.hard-light.net/forums/Smileys/HLP/wtf.gif)
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Polpolion on January 31, 2008, 04:38:01 pm
Please don't do that ever again.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: redsniper on January 31, 2008, 04:49:13 pm
Actually posting a giant WTF smiley is a noble profession, with a long and glorious tradition.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Polpolion on January 31, 2008, 05:39:22 pm
not to mention how annoying it is.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Hellstryker on January 31, 2008, 05:49:57 pm
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080128/195457100.shtml

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Rich Kulawiec writes in to let us know about a ridiculous situation in Florida, that has some similarities to the ridiculous Julie Amero situation. Basically, a bunch of school officials and local newspaper folks are freaking out about the potential for students to access porn and are blaming the wrong people while displaying stunning levels of ignorance.

The basics of the situation are pretty straightforward. A cop who works at a middle school in Florida has a MySpace account, that he set up with the approval of the police department and the school, hoping it would allow him to connect with the kids he's supposed to be protecting. One of his many, many friends on MySpace happened to link to a porn site on their own profile. So, because one friend out of a huge list of friends happens to link to a porn page, the cop is now under investigation with the local paper dramatizing the situation by noting that students could (gasp!) get to porn "in just three clicks." Apparently, they're investigating whether the officer is criminally liable for exposing children to inappropriate content -- yes, because someone on his friend's list linked to porn. Under that definition, an awful lot of people are probably guilty.

Ah, but the story gets better (or worse, actually). You see, after some investigation, people noticed that the school's own website actually linked directly to a porn site itself -- which would seem a lot worse than what the police officer did. In this case, the school had a list of "resources" and one of the links was on a domain that had expired and was taken over by a porn site. Now, using the logic that the school used in having the police officer investigated, shouldn't the school officials also be investigated? Apparently not. Instead, they're angry about the changing domain and are looking at "legal recourse."

So, to summarize: If you happen to work at a school and have a MySpace profile where one friend of many links to a porn site via his own MySpace page: potentially illegal exposure of porn to children. If you work at a school and set up a website that directly links to porn: you're a victim who should be suing the website in question. Very logical.

Um. What?  :wtf:

OMG, 14 YEAR OLDS ARE WATCHING PORN!!! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!! And your telling me this cop didnt wack it when he was 14?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: IceFire on January 31, 2008, 06:39:14 pm
Its stupid...people are stupid...they just like to reinforce that notion every day.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Kosh on January 31, 2008, 06:52:43 pm
Its stupid...people are stupid...they just like to reinforce that notion every day.

American school administrators are a special breed of control freak/idiot hybrids.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: colecampbell666 on January 31, 2008, 08:11:35 pm
They've put sensors around my school to stop people from going to the corner store. (I live in a rural area)
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: haloboy100 on January 31, 2008, 08:27:14 pm
Giant WTF smiley
Actually, thats exactly how i feel about this sort of thing. In America, all the right actions and intentions are twisted around and made stupid by people. Thats why so many people hate America (aside from politics). Of course, i know this doesn't apply in every case, so don't fight me about it. But otherwise, i agree with koth:

"WHAT THE F***?!"
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Hellstryker on January 31, 2008, 11:26:14 pm
They've put sensors around my school to stop people from going to the corner store. (I live in a rural area)
Again i see need for another giant  :wtf: smiley
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: colecampbell666 on February 01, 2008, 08:37:22 am
They're all in on some "healthy food policy". Whole grain pizza, cookies, false advertizing, whole wheat donuts...

They have a one track mind.

They know that their food is s*** so they have to stop people from getting real (and really good) pizza etc, so they don't let them go there.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Aardwolf on February 06, 2008, 01:25:40 am
Not quite that simple. In some schools, you're just not allowed to leave the school campus during school hours without a note explaining why.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: blackhole on February 06, 2008, 01:47:47 am
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Not quite that simple. In some schools, you're just not allowed to leave the school campus during school hours without a note explaining why.

Yes, like, for example, my entire school district :P
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Aardwolf on February 06, 2008, 09:27:34 am
I don't know how widespread it is, I just know it's in my school/school-district.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: colecampbell666 on February 06, 2008, 03:55:40 pm
We have to do that 'till grade 10. (next year! :nod: )
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: blackhole on February 06, 2008, 06:24:40 pm
 :wtf:

We're not even allowed off-campus without explicit parent permission, period, until we're in 10th!
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Flipside on February 06, 2008, 06:27:33 pm
The times, they are a-changing...

Our teachers couldn't wait to kick us out of the school at lunchtime, half of them headed to the pub for a pint and cigarette. In the sixth form, we even used to go with them, though only for the pint, not the cigarette ;)
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Wobble73 on February 06, 2008, 06:40:21 pm
though only for the pint, not the cigarette ;)

I had a few of those cigarettes at sixth form! Good stuff!  :lol:
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: haloboy100 on February 06, 2008, 07:15:03 pm
:wtf:

We're not even allowed off-campus without explicit parent permission, period, until we're in 10th!
Same with my school. Up here in Canada :P
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: colecampbell666 on February 06, 2008, 07:31:20 pm
:wtf:
We're not even allowed off-campus without explicit parent permission, period, until we're in 10th!
That's what I said.

:wtf:

We're not even allowed off-campus without explicit parent permission, period, until we're in 10th!
Same with my school. Up here in Canada :P
Do you guys have to put up with NetSweeper? And can you install anything on the PCs?
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: blackhole on February 06, 2008, 08:36:08 pm
We're not supposed to install anything on the PCs, but since we're AP Comp Sci students... Halo, anyone? :P

We have a very nasty filter called Websense. It filters Hard-light... and youtube... and myspace... and every single other one of those sites, except google video because they of course can't block google :P

Whats interesting is that it filters http://www.newgrounds.com, but not http://blackhole12.newgrounds.com, same thing happens with sheezyart - but it blocks deviantart. Also, for some reason it only blocks "f-ck" and not any other swear word o.O;
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: haloboy100 on February 06, 2008, 08:57:46 pm
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And can you install anything on the PCs?
Yeah, we can do anything on the computer, such as change resolution (which i always do, cause they always put it in ****ty 800X600), install fonts, games, firefox to use youtube, and backgrounds and such. The problem is everything you installed on the computer, as well as personal settings, is deleted every single day, so i gotta change the resolution every time i use a computer  :mad2:
Thankfully, they don't delete my mindsweeper scores :D. fun game, that
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: blackhole on February 06, 2008, 09:08:00 pm
Bahahahaha, thats better then ours. The school tried to install some kind of sync software, but it got blocked by windows firewall. We just install Halo to C:\Halo and always make sure we get the same computers each day in the lab :P
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: BloodEagle on February 06, 2008, 09:39:17 pm
How in the Hell do you people get around to learning anything?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: haloboy100 on February 06, 2008, 09:50:54 pm
I read a lot of space books as a little kid :D
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: karajorma on February 07, 2008, 03:49:40 am
In the sixth form, we even used to go with them, though only for the pint, not the cigarette ;)

So in other words you joined them for the one you were underage for but ignored the one you could legally do? How rebellious of you. :p
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Admiral_Stones on February 07, 2008, 05:30:23 am
:wtf:
We're not even allowed off-campus without explicit parent permission, period, until we're in 10th!
That's what I said.

:wtf:

We're not even allowed off-campus without explicit parent permission, period, until we're in 10th!
Same with my school. Up here in Canada :P
Do you guys have to put up with NetSweeper? And can you install anything on the PCs?

Yes. Our school informatician is the very incarnation of n00biness.
Out of pure boredom, I stumbled upon the system preferences
Patrick: "Hey, Andreas, look! We've all got admin accounts!"
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Flipside on February 07, 2008, 07:38:20 am
In the sixth form, we even used to go with them, though only for the pint, not the cigarette ;)

So in other words you joined them for the one you were underage for but ignored the one you could legally do? How rebellious of you. :p



:lol: I know, ironic isn't it?

That's what you get for having about 5 Welsh teachers, my Religion teacher in particular had a famous statement :-

'In this school we teach all the major religions, Hindu, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and, of course, Rugby.'
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: colecampbell666 on February 07, 2008, 01:02:24 pm
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And can you install anything on the PCs?
Yeah, we can do anything on the computer, such as change resolution (which i always do, cause they always put it in ****ty 800X600), install fonts, games, firefox to use youtube, and backgrounds and such. The problem is everything you installed on the computer, as well as personal settings, is deleted every single day, so i gotta change the resolution every time i use a computer  :mad2:
Thankfully, they don't delete my mindsweeper scores :D. fun game, that
We can do all of that stuff, except install programs, and they deleted the preinstalled games. They probably used NetSweeper to block internet stuff, try tor-proxy.net . Install programs to your personal save folder, probably the H:/ drive or aabonato or something.
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Stealth on February 07, 2008, 02:39:07 pm
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080128/195457100.shtml

Quote
Rich Kulawiec writes in to let us know about a ridiculous situation in Florida, that has some similarities to the ridiculous Julie Amero situation. Basically, a bunch of school officials and local newspaper folks are freaking out about the potential for students to access porn and are blaming the wrong people while displaying stunning levels of ignorance.

The basics of the situation are pretty straightforward. A cop who works at a middle school in Florida has a MySpace account, that he set up with the approval of the police department and the school, hoping it would allow him to connect with the kids he's supposed to be protecting. One of his many, many friends on MySpace happened to link to a porn site on their own profile. So, because one friend out of a huge list of friends happens to link to a porn page, the cop is now under investigation with the local paper dramatizing the situation by noting that students could (gasp!) get to porn "in just three clicks." Apparently, they're investigating whether the officer is criminally liable for exposing children to inappropriate content -- yes, because someone on his friend's list linked to porn. Under that definition, an awful lot of people are probably guilty.

Ah, but the story gets better (or worse, actually). You see, after some investigation, people noticed that the school's own website actually linked directly to a porn site itself -- which would seem a lot worse than what the police officer did. In this case, the school had a list of "resources" and one of the links was on a domain that had expired and was taken over by a porn site. Now, using the logic that the school used in having the police officer investigated, shouldn't the school officials also be investigated? Apparently not. Instead, they're angry about the changing domain and are looking at "legal recourse."

So, to summarize: If you happen to work at a school and have a MySpace profile where one friend of many links to a porn site via his own MySpace page: potentially illegal exposure of porn to children. If you work at a school and set up a website that directly links to porn: you're a victim who should be suing the website in question. Very logical.

Um. What?  :wtf:

(http://www.swooh.com/lorenzo/hlphosted/wlwr4j.jpg)
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: karajorma on February 07, 2008, 03:38:54 pm
Your loss. :p
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: Stealth on February 07, 2008, 05:07:30 pm
LOL sorry... actually, i did read all of it, but i was just looking for an excuse to post that image, which i'd seen on another forum somewhere, and got a kick out of :p
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: haloboy100 on February 08, 2008, 11:10:49 am
We can do all of that stuff, except install programs, and they deleted the preinstalled games. They probably used NetSweeper to block internet stuff, try tor-proxy.net . Install programs to your personal save folder, probably the H:/ drive or aabonato or something.
Nah, they use this weird catholic school district page to block webpages. It's just a page with a big fancy banner and a huge stop sign on it with Calgary Catholic School District on it. other times, like on youtube, you get a "url cannot be recieved" message
Title: Re: Police your friends or it's child endagerment!
Post by: colecampbell666 on February 08, 2008, 12:51:57 pm
We can do all of that stuff, except install programs, and they deleted the preinstalled games. They probably used NetSweeper to block internet stuff, try tor-proxy.net . Install programs to your personal save folder, probably the H:/ drive or aabonato or something.
Nah, they use this weird catholic school district page to block webpages. It's just a page with a big fancy banner and a huge stop sign on it with Calgary Catholic School District on it. other times, like on youtube, you get a "url cannot be recieved" message
They do the same for us, but in the bottom-left there's a "Powered by Netsweeper" thing. I've read that it's  all over Canada, so you probably have a customized splashscreen, like us.