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Title: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 16, 2008, 05:24:23 pm
This is my version of the Battle of Deneb. I have attempted to explain cuscene/game inconsistencies...Other than those caused by the limitations of the FS1 Game Engine. I have also attempted to Make the Battle of Deneb what it should have been.

In my opinion, the battle of Deneb was the biggest Battle of the Entire Great War. It was battle that in my opinion crippled the GTA/PVN forces to critical. Think of it as the Alliance's "Battle of Hoth" but with the Battle of Endor Scale and you should get my meaning. This time line is an attempt to give the battle that sort of scale

17:05 - The GTD Bastion is pulled from its position in system to counter shivan attempts to enter the Alpha-centauri Node. They are also to act as a port for suvivors from the main battle.

17:10 - The "forward fleet group" - a formation of 12 Leviathans, 8 Fenris, 5 Atens and ten support Units (Freighters given stronger weapons to act as gunships) - engages the approaching shivan Fleets.

17:20 - The fleet formation is decimated by the Shivans leaving the PVD Hope wide open to attack
 
17:25 - The PVD Hope is crippled by the Shivan Attack and left as a dead derelict. The survivors everntually manage to "jury-rig" some makeshift repairs and escape.

17:35 - The GTD Legion - A destroyed of GTI origins - and its support group enters the frey. Over the course of the next 15 minutes the tiny fleet are devestated by the approaching SSD Lucifer. Several Civilian vessels attempting to flee the area also get caught in the mix (That Faustus)

17:50 - The GTD Legion is reduced to a dead hulk by the Lucifer's Beam cannons. Nearby the PVD Covenant gives chase to the SD Eva.

18:00 - The PVD Covenant goes down, but not before taking out the SD Eva's fighter and cruiser support

18:10 - Terran Bombers from the GTD Galatea Engage the SD Eva

18:20 - Shivan forces assualt the GTD Galatea. The Galatea's support group is quickly wiped out.

18:25 - The SD Eva is Destroyed by the Galatea Pilots

18:30 - Player arrives in support of the Galatea

18:40 - The GTD Galatea is Destroyed by the SSD Lucifer

18:45 - In a Last-ditch attempt to Stop the Lucifer, Surviving Terran and Vasudan Forces rally at the Deneb-Vasuda Jumpnode attempting to blockade it.

18:50 - The Lucifer tears through the blockade and enters the Jump Node

19:00 - The Lucifer Enters the Vasuda System


Explaining the Ursas - These Ursas were initial prototypes being R&Ded by the GTD Legion. They were originally designed to be high ordinace bombers. Bombers that were capable of carrying a large amount of warheads -ie, to carry many Tsunami Bombs. However, it was quickly determined that the Usra was better suited to the carrying high-yield payload - the Harbinger. Thus the entire batch was withdrawn from service and began the modifications into the Ursa we love/hate.

Note: When i refer to a support group, i mean a cruiser wing that flies escort to a destroyer...Sort of like those cruisers Escorting the Bastion in Clash of the TitansII
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Dark Hunter on February 16, 2008, 05:33:54 pm
FYI: The Pinnacle survives at least to the whole "Beta Aquilae Comm Station" mission... if the Hope is killed, the Pinnacle takes its place.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 16, 2008, 06:22:10 pm
Does it? I nver knew that. I always manage to save the Hope. Since i have NEVER EVER seen this I count the pinnacle's survival as non-canon.

In fact i call it is as canon as that second cruiser in "The Sixth Wonder" in FS2 -- you know that one that only appears if you use cheats to destroy the corvette - since it only aapears with cheats - i dont count it as a canon ship.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: SuperCoolAl on February 16, 2008, 06:42:28 pm
This is true, I lost the Hope once and had the Pinnacle. Oddly the mission couldn't complete the Pinnacle got stuck or something.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Sarafan on February 16, 2008, 06:48:32 pm

17:20 - The fleet formation is de
 

Oh, no! Not the invincible formation *de*! :eek: :shaking:
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 16, 2008, 06:55:09 pm
 :lol: Whoop

Fixed. Thanks
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Goober5000 on February 17, 2008, 01:31:20 am
gah
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Jeff Vader on February 17, 2008, 02:26:10 am

17:20 - The fleet formation is de
 

Oh, no! Not the invincible formation *de*! :eek: :shaking:
Now that you mentioned it, there are several 'Galeteas on the event list as well.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 17, 2008, 05:48:51 am
are there? .Im refering to the same ship
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Jeff Vader on February 17, 2008, 07:48:00 am
18:20 - Shivan forces assualtt the GTD Galetea. The Galetea's support group is quickly wiped out.

18:25 - The SD Eva is Destroyed by the Galetea Pilots

18:30 - Player arrives in support of the Galetea
I know it's the same ship but I like to nitpick about typos that either are in names or effectively change the meaning of the word
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 17, 2008, 08:41:24 am
oh. oops  :eek2: thats what i get for making a late night post

:fixed
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Jeff Vader on February 17, 2008, 08:53:11 am
It's no biggie. In fact, it doesn't even take a late night to post random typos. Just yesterday afternoon I typed rescue with a q. And I still don't know why.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 17, 2008, 12:26:21 pm
Lets move away from the debate about language, we can discuss this untill the cows come home in the General Discussion Section, and get back to the point of this thread. What do you guys think of my interpretation of the Battle of Deneb?
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: General Battuta on February 17, 2008, 01:35:50 pm
Pinnacle needs to survive.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 17, 2008, 03:34:17 pm
Fine then, i'm renaming it to the Covenant
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Snail on February 17, 2008, 03:36:11 pm
Pinnacle needs to survive.

That's rather picky, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 17, 2008, 04:12:26 pm
Yeah. Ive never seen the Pinnacle in the second half of the game
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 17, 2008, 07:19:32 pm
By that i mean...after the The third Ancients Cutscene
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: General Battuta on February 17, 2008, 10:32:56 pm
Hmm, okay, you might have a point.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on February 20, 2008, 12:28:54 am
I only saw the so-called "exciting" part of the Battle of Deneb in the FreeSpace 2 intro. I think your intepretation's quite well done. :)
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 20, 2008, 02:16:53 am
Thanks. To me the Battle of Deneb was the absolute peak of the great war. Its sort of hard to describe...Let me put it this way...I Think that if you ignored Vasuda, Deneb was the largest loss of life in the GW.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on February 20, 2008, 11:25:31 pm
Thanks. To me the Battle of Deneb was the absolute peak of the great war. Its sort of hard to describe...Let me put it this way...I Think that if you ignored Vasuda, Deneb was the largest loss of life in the GW.

...yes, I think I would agree with you on that...although the losses due to the Battle of Deneb is nothing as compared to the losses from Vasuda.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 21, 2008, 05:14:11 am
I wholey agree. The Losses in Deneb were nothing compared to Vasuda, But ignoring Apocalypse Scale Events my point stands

Well Strictly speaking, I count The Battle of Deneb and The Fall of Vasuda as 2 phases of the same engagement...

In Fact, I think some major combat went on in the Vasuda System. Think the 'Battle of the Line' from the Earth-Minbari war in B5 or The Drakh Attack only they got the Death Cloud to Earth.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Charismatic on February 23, 2008, 04:33:19 pm
Just imagine every single ship that had a lazer turret on Vasuda Prime, out to defend their world. It's horrible to think of. It was such a tradgety. Heartless bastards on the Lucifer. ****ing shivans.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Stealth on February 23, 2008, 08:47:57 pm
...However, it was quickly determined that the Usra was better suited to the carrying high-yield payload - the Tsunami. the entire batch was withdrawn from service and began the modifications into the Ursa we love/hate.

Don't you mean the HARBINGER?
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: terran_emperor on February 23, 2008, 09:50:36 pm
:jaw: I'd completly missed that.

:Fixed
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 04:19:06 am
I'd say the Battle of Deneb was a larger battle than Vasuda, but more civilian Vasudans lost their lives in the Battle of Vasuda.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Mobius on February 24, 2008, 04:37:23 am
Uhm...how do you know it?
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 04:41:36 am
I don't. It's my opinion.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Mobius on February 24, 2008, 04:46:04 am
In the Battle of Deneb there was a considerable presence of Terrans. The Battle of Vasuda might have been a larger engagement during which there were only Vasudans fighting the Shivans.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 04:47:12 am
I remember hearing that the Vasudans wanted to head off the Shivans in Deneb rather than fight in their own system.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 24, 2008, 04:47:38 am
In short i'd reckon that having ones homeworld razed tends to affect the civilian population. Most Zods are 2nd gen refugees anyway don't forget.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Mobius on February 24, 2008, 05:01:19 am
Depends on the situation.

"We can't save our homeworld, we'll try to defend the nearest system!"

and...

"We'll do everything we can to stop them here!"

The second option is more Vasudan.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 05:04:19 am
Depends. There could be another situation:

Either: "They shall not enter our system! Stop them here! :headz:" or "By the gods, they have too many ships! Retreat to Vasuda and hope they don't follow us!  :nervous:"

The former option is more Vasudan. It depends, really, but canon dictates the former is what the Vasudans did...
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Mobius on February 24, 2008, 05:06:05 am
They were defending their homeworld AND billions of civilians. And they were Vasudans. There's no need to discuss this aspect anymore.
Title: Re: The Battle of Deneb - According to me
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 05:06:51 am
There's no need to discuss this aspect anymore.

:lol:

Agreed.