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Title: Computer upgrade question
Post by: ns161 on February 18, 2008, 10:42:58 am: I'm in the middle of upgrading my computer and I have a quick question

I have 4GB of DDR2-800 RAM already, my plan is to use that and eventually upgrade it but I wanted to know

If I buy a mobo with a mem standard of ddr2-1066 can I use my ddr2-800 in the RAM slots? They're both 240pin but I wanted to make sure before I do it. I know it's a pretty silly question but I wanted to cover all my bases. I figure this way I can hopefully upgrade my RAM later without having to change the processor, mobo, etc...
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Stealth on February 18, 2008, 01:36:35 pm: yeah they're generally backward compatible.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: ns161 on February 18, 2008, 01:38:14 pm: Thanks, I figured as much but I was having this horrible vision of my mobo melting or something.

My wife made the mistake of telling me she'd rather I spend extra money now than have to upgrade again in a few months...but wouldn't you know, I'd already bought the RAM.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Stealth on February 18, 2008, 01:40:48 pm: well look on the motherboard's specs... it'll usually say RAM compatibility :)
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 18, 2008, 01:47:22 pm: Buy... a mac :D

speaking of which someone needs to create a HLP widget
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Kazan on February 18, 2008, 04:57:45 pm: Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 18, 2008, 01:47:22 pm
Buy... a mac :D

that better be a joke
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: BloodEagle on February 18, 2008, 07:05:04 pm: Quote from: Kazan on February 18, 2008, 04:57:45 pm
Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 18, 2008, 01:47:22 pm
Buy... a mac :D

that better be a joke

It must be a joke.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 08:45:10 am: 'tis not... ;)

Not as easy to upgrade, but face it... they are superior
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Unknown Target on February 19, 2008, 09:01:25 am: Why?
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Admiral_Stones on February 19, 2008, 09:03:50 am: It's something we said hundreds of times, but silly PC users just don't wan't to hear:
It's the feel of it, dude
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: CP5670 on February 19, 2008, 09:17:37 am: Quote from: Kazan on February 18, 2008, 04:57:45 pm
that better be a joke

Quote from: Admiral_Stones on February 19, 2008, 09:03:50 am
It's the feel of it, dude

Well, that confirms it. :p
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:25:54 am: I have never had a virus, they are always fast, switch between programs like insane, the graphical interface is amazing, hot corners rock, I had a 512 mb ram mac once and it ran SOOO much better than a 2 gig pc.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Koth on February 19, 2008, 09:27:26 am: Practically no gaming...
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:33:59 am: Can run windows OS natively so gaming shouldn't be a problem
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Koth on February 19, 2008, 09:38:15 am: Via BootCamp, yes. Then why should I buy an overpriced Mac and use Windows on it ? I can just as well use a normal computer which would also be cheaper. I could even use OSX on a non Mac if I wanted.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:48:32 am: I don't believe it's bootcamp, my mac is for business not gaming so I don't have first hand experience with gaming and windows OS... Mac's are quality and are cheaper than PC quality machines. If you don't by the mac huge monitor...

From what I understand though you are to install it, then pick your OS win loading up
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: CP5670 on February 19, 2008, 09:52:54 am: In other words, what you like is only the OS. The hardware is still considerably inferior to a similarly priced DIY rig.

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I have never had a virus, they are always fast, switch between programs like insane, the graphical interface is amazing, hot corners rock, I had a 512 mb ram mac once and it ran SOOO much better than a 2 gig pc.

That can be achieved in any OS by tweaking settings appropriately. My four year old, single core 512MB laptop is more responsive in basic Windows programs than most other people's modern PCs that I've seen. :p
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:56:40 am: The OS is key in bringing out the most in hardware :)
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Ghostavo on February 19, 2008, 09:58:25 am: Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:56:40 am
The OS is key in bringing out the most in hardware :)

What stops people from buying just the OS then instead of the seriously overpriced hardware?
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Psyco89 on February 19, 2008, 09:59:05 am: Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:33:59 am
Can run windows OS natively so gaming shouldn't be a problem

True true mac's are awesome. I agree with jdjtcagle on this. I have always been the one to build my own computer but I do say that mac's is were it's at.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 10:00:55 am: Quote from: Ghostavo on February 19, 2008, 09:58:25 am
Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:56:40 am
The OS is key in bringing out the most in hardware :)

What stops people from buying just the OS then instead of the seriously overpriced hardware?

I don't know about all that... all I know is the macs I've looked at are cheaper than my quality 2 gig at home.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: ns161 on February 19, 2008, 10:12:20 am: Never had a mac

Also never had a virus
Never had a trojan

Only time I've ever actually had to deal with infections and etc. is on my in laws computer. My life's little brother (by little I mean 19 year old) who logged on to some really sketchy websites and stupidly said "yes" to every pop up because he was promised "nude coeds" or something. They have a Mac

THAT was a disaster.

The lesson:

Whether you have a PC or a MAC, its being stupid that gets you into trouble
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: BloodEagle on February 19, 2008, 11:56:28 am: Quote from: Admiral_Stones on February 19, 2008, 09:03:50 am
It's something we said hundreds of times, but silly PC users just don't wan't to hear:
It's the feel of it, dude

For the last time, quit having sex with your computer. Gosh! ;7

Quote from: ns161 on February 19, 2008, 10:12:20 am
Never had a mac

Also never had a virus
Never had a trojan

[snip]

Whether you have a PC or a MAC, its being stupid that gets you into trouble

QFT. I've never had but one virus (that someone else got on there) in my years with Windows.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Admiral_Stones on February 19, 2008, 03:21:30 pm: Quote from: ns161 on February 19, 2008, 10:12:20 am
Never had a mac

Also never had a virus
Never had a trojan

Only time I've ever actually had to deal with infections and etc. is on my in laws computer. My life's little brother (by little I mean 19 year old) who logged on to some really sketchy websites and stupidly said "yes" to every pop up because he was promised "nude coeds" or something. They have a Mac

THAT was a disaster.

The lesson:

Whether you have a PC or a MAC, its being stupid that gets you into trouble

Well, can't trust you there. I've seen so much dorks pulling out some 'case' of mac problems out of their arses to bash Apple.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: BloodEagle on February 19, 2008, 04:40:05 pm: http://www.macfixit.com/
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 04:46:01 pm: LOL!

Let's get a bug list of the new Vista

huh?

:lol:
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Unknown Target on February 20, 2008, 08:01:31 am: How about let's get a list of who actually uses Visa, huh?

As to Mac's being stable/virus free; the campus I'm on had a nasty outbreak of Mac viruses last year, after a Mac user got infected and spread it throughout the network. As to them being stable, my roommate managed to crash his Mac within the first week of having it. Then, about two weeks ago, he turned it off, moved to a new location, and it was dead.

But these arguments bore me, if you go to any sort of tech campus you get tired of hearing them, and honestly, it doesn't matter either way. It's down to personal preference, and if Mac users (and I say Mac users because honestly, you'd have to look relatively hard to find a PC user who's so dogmatic about the platform) would just shut up about their platform being "superior" then we could move on with their lives. I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just saying shut the hell up about it. You're the Abercrombie and Fitch of the computing world and all you do is serve to annoy people who either don't care or actually know what they're talking about (on both ends, Mac or PC).
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: jdjtcagle on February 20, 2008, 08:22:56 am: Easy UT why the rebuke? just useless arguing... No one is actually getting offended are they? :confused:

Spoiler:
macs are still cooler... k sorry I'm leaving the topic :P
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Bob-san on February 20, 2008, 06:37:54 pm: Quote from: Ghostavo on February 19, 2008, 09:58:25 am
Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:56:40 am
The OS is key in bringing out the most in hardware :)

What stops people from buying just the OS then instead of the seriously overpriced hardware?
It's illegal for one. That doesn't stop many DIYers and other tech-savvy to put together a Hackintosh. Just pick up an x86 copy of OSX and look up the hacks.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Ghostavo on February 21, 2008, 01:55:39 am: Quote from: Bob-san on February 20, 2008, 06:37:54 pm
Quote from: Ghostavo on February 19, 2008, 09:58:25 am
Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:56:40 am
The OS is key in bringing out the most in hardware :)

What stops people from buying just the OS then instead of the seriously overpriced hardware?
It's illegal for one. That doesn't stop many DIYers and other tech-savvy to put together a Hackintosh. Just pick up an x86 copy of OSX and look up the hacks.

Illegal? :wtf: How is it illegal to buy an OS and install it on your PC? If it says anything of that sort on the terms of use you can shove it down their throats because it's not.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: castor on February 21, 2008, 11:34:48 am: I guess its just illegal to sell it without the hardware?
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: BloodEagle on February 21, 2008, 01:35:49 pm: That would be like saying that it's illegal to watch a DVD on a DVD player that didn't come with said DVD. :rolleyes:

OEM software, however, isn't supposed to be sold without hardware (for really stupid reasons). Most places just make you buy a $1.00 mouse with the OS.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Ghostavo on February 21, 2008, 01:44:03 pm: But most (all?) OSs are also sold seperatly, and in this case Mac OS (the OS in question) is not an exception.

Not that I would want an OS to do what I already do but worse.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: castor on February 21, 2008, 01:50:50 pm: Well, interpret it yourself.

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Software License Agreement for Mac OS X
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: BloodEagle on February 21, 2008, 01:58:41 pm: Windows says that as well. They just want you to put a useless sticker on the case.

By the way, EULAs are not law. At the most, they could stop supporting you for violating it.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: castor on February 21, 2008, 02:20:00 pm: Yea, its not likely to end up jailed for riggin it to work in a dell :D
I guess :nervous:
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Bob-san on February 21, 2008, 05:59:02 pm: Quote from: castor on February 21, 2008, 01:50:50 pm
Well, interpret it yourself.

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Software License Agreement for Mac OS X
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm

That's what I was referring to. That, and IIRC, it requires a few hacks to work properly. Those hacks are into closed-source software, so it becomes illegal more-specifically there.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Ghostavo on February 21, 2008, 06:46:25 pm: The moment you buy a piece of software you are allowed to install it on a PC regardless of what the EULA says. The most it can do is as BloodEagle said, is that they don't support you.

Think about it, is it illegal to install a game in a PC that doesn't meet the minimum requirements? It's the same thing with an OS.

Using the example BloodEagle also used, if say... Sony decided that all it's CD's had to be played on Sony's and only Sony's CD players, would it be illegal to listen to them on any other player?
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Triple Ace on February 21, 2008, 09:02:08 pm: Quote from: jdjtcagle on February 19, 2008, 09:33:59 am
Can run windows OS natively so gaming shouldn't be a problem

Macs now have Intel mobos and cpus, as well as being able to use Nvidia and Ati Gpus. This means they can run Windows. So all that means is that Macs are pretty much PCs now.
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: Admiral_Stones on February 22, 2008, 11:19:47 am: What. The. **** did you just say?

I'm gonna ignore that comment.
Say that **** againg and :headz:
Title: Re: Computer upgrade question
Post by: CP5670 on February 22, 2008, 12:15:05 pm: Quote
The OS is key in bringing out the most in hardware :)

No, as I said earlier, the user is. :p

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Macs now have Intel mobos and cpus, as well as being able to use Nvidia and Ati Gpus. This means they can run Windows. So all that means is that Macs are pretty much PCs now.

Yes, the only thing that makes a Mac a Mac these days is the OS. They're PCs otherwise, and crappy PCs at that compared to custom built ones.

There actually used to be a time when Mac hardware was unique and superior in some ways, around the late 80s and early 90s (in fact, many multiplatform games back then had far better graphics and audio in their Mac versions), but things have changed a lot since then.