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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: Clawandfang on February 19, 2008, 05:24:38 pm
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Just a quick question.
Is there another list somewhere, where all the campaigns which have been checked by people and have been designated as "canon", or isn't there, or is this it?
EDIT: Now that this post has been moved from the thread it was previously inhabiting, I thought that I should mention that when I say "is this it?" I am referring to the thread "FS/FS2 Campaigns list (new thread)".
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No user-made campaigns are considered canon. None.
There is a list of campaigns in the Wiki, but I'm not sure how recently it's been updated.
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No user-made campaigns are considered canon. None.
Right, I was wondering why there wasn't a list. So what does something have to do (or have done to it?) in order to be canon? It would be nice to expand on what is already canon.
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For something new to be canon, :v: would have to make it. They and only they are allowed to say new canon things.
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Hmm.
What are the chances of that happening though?
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Slim to nil.
In fact, the only things I think they've ever said that weren't confirmed in the games are:
1. The hallfight aliens are indeed Shivans... not robots, and not suits, but Shivans in their natural form.
2. Shivans are a "symptom of a much bigger problem". Make of that what you will.
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Okay, maybe I'm going to sound stupid here, but is there such a thing a semi-canon? Not officially canon but everyone considers it so?
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i guess, but i don't see the point of having a "semi-canon" to begin with.
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Derelict has achieved something of a legendary semi-canonical status.
That's really the only one that has gotten to that level though.
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Derelict has achieved something of a legendary semi-canonical status.
That's arguable. There's enough campaigns out there set after the time period Derelict is set in that don't endeavor to be compatible with the events of Derelict. By the same token, though, as user-generated timelines go, Derelict is probably the one that campaign developers build off of the most.
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i guess, but i don't see the point of having a "semi-canon" to begin with.
Okay, I understand that; but I think it would be great to be able to play a series of, perhaps completely unrelated, campaigns and know they fitted in with each other. Sometimes I feel a bit odd when starting a new campaign, knowing that I'm going to have to completely forget what happened in the last one I played in order for this one to make sense.
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Okay, I understand that; but I think it would be great to be able to play a series of, perhaps completely unrelated, campaigns and know they fitted in with each other. Sometimes I feel a bit odd when starting a new campaign, knowing that I'm going to have to completely forget what happened in the last one I played in order for this one to make sense.
Personally I have no interest whatsoever in "semi-cannon" either. In every game I've been involved in that's died out, people have always said "let's form a council and make semi-canon stuff."
Though, with regards to your line of thought. I think it would be cool to have like a big spreadsheet, or like . . . a campaign tree sort of thing that listed different campaigns in relation to one another. Actually yeah that'd be super cool. On the left side have a list of years, then have things branching off one another and to other campaigns and so forth. Though it would require people's input on where their campaign fits in.
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"Canon" refers to the known FS universe, described by :v:. There has to be a non-negotiable core to fall back on, and to keep stories coherent.
But there's nothing preventing someone from establishing their own continuity, even though it isn't canon. Several campaigns take place in the Derelict continuity. Several campaigns take place in the Inferno continuity. Many more campaigns are compatible with certain continuities, even if the campaign designer doesn't explicitly place them in one.
The vast majority of continuities are compatible with canon, even if not many of them are compatible with one another. (I don't think Derelict and Inferno are compatible.) Most campaigns don't contradict canon unless there's a very good reason for them to do so. (Silent Threat: Reborn is one of these.)
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The vast majority of continuities are compatible with canon, even if not many of them are compatible with one another.
That is the point I'm making of course. Is there some way of dividing the campaigns up into fairly large "continuities", where one can be sure that each and every one will fit in with the rest? Although, come to think of it, that sounds like quite a lot of work...
EDIT: Blimey, I didn't realise that a "quick question" could get stickied so quickly...
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Well it is a question that gets asked a lot...might as well have an answer before it even gets asked next time.
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The sticky was an accident, caused by the thread being split from a stickied thread.
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Yup, no list of canon campaigns (it would be a VERY short list if we made it...1 entry)
But you could make a list of campaigns that don't contradict canon ;7
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Yup, no list of canon campaigns (it would be a VERY short list if we made it...1 entry)
Or three. But really, who's counting...
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FreeSpace Main Campaign
Silent Threat
FreeSpace 2 Main Campaign
I suppose you could count the :v: made multiplayer campaigns as Canon; like Operation Templar
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Not like it matters, Templar sucked IMO
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Templar sucked IMO
Everything sucked, IYO.
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One thing you left out:
- Crimson Sky
- Crisis in Capella
The demo missions for FS2 (although debatable)
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Those were my first exposure to Freespace 2, and they were jaw-dropping. I loved them.
I think they're probably canon since they're V-made. Are there any known contradictions contained within them?
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This must be one of the rare occasions where the demo's did not appear in the game. Most companies release the first level or so of the game as a demo, I can't think of anywhere else where the demo is a seperate part of the story.
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This must be one of the rare occasions where the demo's did not appear in the game. Most companies release the first level or so of the game as a demo, I can't think of anywhere else where the demo is a seperate part of the story.
Jedi Outcast is another one. The demo had abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with the story of the actual game. Though they had cleverly picked voice files here and there so that the dialogue sounded mostly coherent.
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Templar sucked IMO
Everything sucked, IYO.
Congratulations. You found me out. Get a cookie :P
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V didn't use the exact same two missions in FS2 that they did in the demo, but some of the missions did make something of an appearance.
Crimson Skies = The Great Hunt + Speaking In Tongues
Essentially, both missions are about hunting down and destroying Shivan warships in the nebula. The Vasudan mission where you try to draw out the Sathanas is the closest to the original mission.
Crisis in Capella = Exodus
"Alpha, this is the Adamant. The Armaros is down but the Balam remains at full strength. The Shivans are launching bombers now."
"Okay, we're on it, Adamant. The Psamtik will be here momentarily. We'll keep them covered until help arrives."
In Exodus, "We have destroyed the Abraxis but the Shivans will not relent."
"Maintain your escort of the transports. The 70th Blue Lions are here to assist."
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Are those demo missions available anywhere? It's been ages since I played them. And likewise, it was the first exposure I had to Freespace. Bought Freespace 2 soon afterwards, then after having played that picked up FS1+Silent Threat bundle. But ST was crap for the most part. I hated the mission where you just go and kill like 4 Atens, I like the Vasudans damnit. Killing four ships without them doing anything is lame.
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http://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/downloads/fs2demo.zip
^ The demo, ported to FS2 retail. Of course, you could always download the actual demo from somewhere and play that instead.
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Sweeeet, thanks.