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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dysko on February 23, 2008, 05:00:31 am
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One of the 21 B-2 stealth bombers crashed on take-off from Guam. Both pilots ejected safely.
Each of that planes costs 1,2 billions $.
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I reckon the pilots should work off the debt in the acid mines.
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's not clear why, yet, but the B-2 is a difficult aircraft to crash due to pilot error: the onboard fly-by-wire systems have limiters that prevent "overflying" the aircraft, and the B-2's limiters, unlike those of more high-performance planes like the B-1B or fighters, are very nearly ironclad. You can't push them, they don't work that way, because due to its flying wing shape a B-2 without positive control is something no sane pilot contemplates. You don't do spin or stall recovery in this plane, you eject.
On the other hand, the B-2 is an extremely difficult aircraft to fly without the extensive computer support. A total electrical shutdown is a major problem, again, due to the flying wing shape. The computers make a multitude of minor adjustments every minute to keep it stable and flying well, and with them, the aircraft is very stable, easy to fly, and actually quite agile for its size and speed. Without the computers it becomes inherently unstable and extremely demanding.
Because it crashed on takeoff, the possiblity exists of FOD being at fault, and I don't really know how well the B-2 responds to a lost engine situation, but it does have several of them, and it is rated to be able to fly with only half.
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John Travolta played a part in this i reckon. How many computers does the eurofighter have? It's flight profile is so unstable it would just fall out of the sky if they failed. :)
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John Travolta played a part in this i reckon.
Nah, man. It's Christian ****ing Slater. He lost it!
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:wtf:
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On a side note, how in the living Hell does a 1.2 billion dollar bomber just not work!?
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It was running Windows.
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4.76%
But 5% looks cooler :P
On a side note, how in the living Hell does a 1.2 billion dollar bomber just not work!?
It was running Windows.
It was running Windows Vista to be precise :lol:
Some time ago, at uni I was talking with a friend about the F-22's avionic-related problems. When I returned home, I photoshopped this (I know, I'm crappy at Photoshop :nervous:):
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd9/DDySkO/avionicaf22.jpg)
BTW, it could have been FOD (Foreign Object Digestion, when something is sucked in by the engine), electric failure... causes of the accident are still unknown.
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John Travolta played a part in this i reckon. How many computers does the eurofighter have? It's flight profile is so unstable it would just fall out of the sky if they failed. :)
the Typhoon has 75 computers onboard
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It was running Windows.
LOL!
Seriously though, why put stealth bombers all the way out there anyway? It sounds like America is looking for a fight.
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On a side note, how in the living Hell does a 1.2 billion dollar bomber just not work!?
When you have something as obscenely complicated and intricate as a B-2 Spirit, something will break eventually. Someone's going to have to bend over for the brass in this incident. The pilots, the maintenance workers, an engineer, someone is going down.
Not only that, but the B-2 fleet will almost certainly be grounded until the USAF is absolutely sure this won't happen again. We don't have the tooling to build any more, and it's almost as bad as long a Space Shuttle. We're going to have to settle for other bombers as the entire B-2 program is scrutinized from top to bottom.
@DySkO: That blue screen is a Windows 9x one. I'm not even sure if Vista has blue screens (Windows XP did, but under default settings it would instantly reboot instead of displaying the screen).
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BTW, it could have been FOD (Foreign Object Digestion, when something is sucked in by the engine), electric failure... causes of the accident are still unknown.
The causes could be known, but classified... Most things regarding the B2 are level Omega, just like those damn Comm Nodes.
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Broken Arrow, or no fuel? You can vote, Right Now! :)
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Isn't a broken arrow a crashed nuclear bomber? Cause It says that b-2 wasn't carrying munitions, let alone nukes.
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<conspiracy>or was it ;) ?</conspiracy>
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<conspiracy>or was it ;) ?</conspiracy>
"Now, I'm going to go over this again, pilots. You MUST wear your tinfoil helmet linings. That's an order."
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Not only that, but the B-2 fleet will almost certainly be grounded until the USAF is absolutely sure this won't happen again. We don't have the tooling to build any more, and it's almost as bad as long a Space Shuttle. We're going to have to settle for other bombers as the entire B-2 program is scrutinized from top to bottom.
That's what will surely happen, the whole F-15 fleet has been recently grounded due to a F-15 breaking apart in flight.
@DySkO: That blue screen is a Windows 9x one. I'm not even sure if Vista has blue screens (Windows XP did, but under default settings it would instantly reboot instead of displaying the screen).
I just googled "blue screen death", and I used the first high resolution image I found :p But probably you are right, before I formatted my laptop, I had Vista on it. It had lots of problems, but I never saw a blue screen of death.
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1) Yes the B2 fleet will get grounded, just like the F15 fleet was a few months ago.
2) Given how dependant the B2 is on electronics for flight, an electrical failure may be the most likely culprit. In that case the crew chief and the ground crew will catch a hell of a lot of flak for not finding the problem beforehand.
3) FOD. We lost an E3 to a flock of Canadian geese in Alaska, and single sparrows are more than capable of brining down most fighters. If it was wildlife, BASH will take the flak.
Anything on the flightline is a hazard. In which case, somebody has been doing their Foreign Object Detection walks right.
4) Pilot error. The pilots lose their situational awareness and don't notice something wrong on their instruments. We lost either a Galaxy or a Globemaster at Dover for that exact reason.
5) ****ing Batman
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Not only that, but the B-2 fleet will almost certainly be grounded until the USAF is absolutely sure this won't happen again. We don't have the tooling to build any more, and it's almost as bad as long a Space Shuttle. We're going to have to settle for other bombers as the entire B-2 program is scrutinized from top to bottom.
That's what will surely happen, the whole F-15 fleet has been recently grounded due to a F-15 breaking apart in flight.
The time to invade is now! :p
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The 1.2billion dollar price tag takes into account R&D and not the actual unit cost minus the development costs.. we need moar!
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All this talk of how dependant modern fighters/bombers are on their electronics packages reminds me of the Viper Mk. VII...........
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The Viper Mk VII would have been perfectly safe if the damn fools hadn't connected the comms to the critical systems.
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As evidenced by the fact that they're in widespread use after some brief retrofits.
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I thought it was because they ripped out the nav program that had the security hole....
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4.76%
But 5% looks cooler :P
On a side note, how in the living Hell does a 1.2 billion dollar bomber just not work!?
It was running Windows.
It was running Windows Vista to be precise :lol:
Some time ago, at uni I was talking with a friend about the F-22's avionic-related problems. When I returned home, I photoshopped this (I know, I'm crappy at Photoshop :nervous:):
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd9/DDySkO/avionicaf22.jpg)
BTW, it could have been FOD (Foreign Object Digestion, when something is sucked in by the engine), electric failure... causes of the accident are still unknown.
Minus the obvious, is that really what the F-22 cockpit looks like? :wtf:
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I thought it was because they ripped out the nav program that had the security hole....
Well, thus the retrofits. Presumably they also de-networked some of the flight systems, since the Cylons can apparently get into networked systems very easily.
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Minus the obvious, is that really what the F-22 cockpit looks like? :wtf:
No, only what you can see in MFDs and in the HUD is from the real Raptor cockpit, and I cut and pasted them in another generic cockpit :lol:
Seriously talking, I just googled "f-22 cockpit", and again I chose the highest resolution image available. I think that the real F-22 cockpit is still classified due to the high tech involved.
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All of the sims i've played over the years with the f22 as flyable all have really similar cockpit setups. From ace combat to the original f22 sim worth about £2 [incidentally my first ever online deathmatch] so i don't see how it could be classified. :yes:
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All of the sims i've played over the years with the f22 as flyable all have really similar cockpit setups. From ace combat to the original f22 sim worth about £2 [incidentally my first ever online deathmatch] so i don't see how it could be classified. :yes:
But in Ace Combat you can see only the part of the cockpit that is close to the HUD.
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The mfd layout etc is nigh on identical to the other games. And ace combat series has more endorsements from manufacturers than any other i can think of off the top of my head :) anyone been to an air show? Or maybe a tour of the production facility? That would be cool.
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Uhm...Dysko :nod:
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The mfd layout etc is nigh on identical to the other games. And ace combat series has more endorsements from manufacturers than any other i can think of off the top of my head :) anyone been to an air show? Or maybe a tour of the production facility? That would be cool.
I highly doubt Ace Combat can be considered a reliable source :P Also the other F-22 sims (especially Novalogic's ones) cannot be considered very reliable.
I'll look on my airplane magazines if I can find a photo of the real cockpit.
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The models of Ace Combat(starting from AC04) are reliable.
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I thought as much. Did you take your title from 04 Mobius?
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You mean my nickname...yeah I did.
Lt.Gen. came from Ace Combat 2.
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Yellow squadron god bless' em. They knew how to party! Any ideas on the level of reprimand the b2 pilots will get?
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3) FOD. We lost an E3 to a flock of Canadian geese in Alaska, and single sparrows are more than capable of brining down most fighters. If it was wildlife, BASH will take the flak.
i saw the smoke from that crash, i was living in anchorage at the time and didnt live to far from the base.
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I think the equipment needed to make the B-2 has been destroyed, so no more will be built.