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Title: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Titan on March 07, 2008, 11:50:55 am
Ok, my favs are Episode 4, cause that started it, episode 5, 'cuz i like the feel of it, and Spaceballs, cuz, well...  :p
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Post by: Hippo on March 07, 2008, 12:09:05 pm
there are only 3 star wars movies.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 07, 2008, 12:52:57 pm
4-6, the whole original trilogy. I was disapointed with the prequel trilogy. It had a completely different feel and took away the fun relationships in the characters that the original trilogy had. 4-6 have to be the most epic of the star wars movies, which is why they have the best games after them. Also, the ending of the special edition episode 6 has to be one of the happiest celebrations in film history.
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Post by: karajorma on March 07, 2008, 01:19:45 pm
Bonus question : How would you like to be garrotted? (Pick One)

1) With cheese wire
2) With piano wire
3) With a guitar string
4) Not at all
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Post by: Shade on March 07, 2008, 02:40:18 pm
My favorite of the bunch has to be ep. 5, closely followed by ep. 4, and finally by ep. 6 somewhat further back. The new trilogy doesn't belong anywhere near the company of those three, although ep. 3 was at least passable.
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Post by: karajorma on March 07, 2008, 02:59:48 pm
The problem with 1-3 isn't that they're bad. It's just that they don't live up to 4-6.

If Lucas had never made Star Wars and The Phantom Menace had been the first movie of a trilogy it would be considered a reasonably good sci-fi movie. Nothing incredible, but nothing dreadful. The problem is that we were all expecting something as good as Star Wars and we didn't get it.
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Post by: Roanoke on March 08, 2008, 04:09:41 pm
6, 5 and 4. In that order. I just love the Deathstar battle in Return. Especially the bit when the Rebs. reaslise it's a trap ("It's a Trap!!") and the fleet splits to either side. Fookin' brilliant stuff.

Or can we add Clone Wars to the options list ?
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Post by: Polpolion on March 08, 2008, 05:06:49 pm
This is a stupid poll. Why on earth do people say "What is your favorite XXX?... PS: You can only have 3 favorites!"

And since when does "favorite" mean "I don't like this one as much as I like another one"? A favorite is by definition one thing.
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Jeff Vader on March 08, 2008, 05:14:57 pm
4 'n 5 were good. Episode 1 was so... I dunno. Cold. It didn't have any feeling in it. Just an orgasm of digital effects. And 6 wasn't that great either. Sure, there were some good space battle scenes but the general atmosphere was the sort that you might think they were filling in for Barney the dinosaur.
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Post by: General Battuta on March 08, 2008, 05:28:36 pm
I thought this summed up a lot of people's problems with Episode VI nicely. I think most of you have probably seen it already.

http://www.phxff.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=765&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=2&Topic_Title=50+Reasons+why+Return+of+the+Jedi+Sucks&Forum_Title=General+Discussions (http://www.phxff.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=765&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=2&Topic_Title=50+Reasons+why+Return+of+the+Jedi+Sucks&Forum_Title=General+Discussions)
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Post by: Jeff Vader on March 08, 2008, 05:34:35 pm
Indeed. I was actually looking forward to a serious final showdown between Solo and Fett. But... no. Let's just throw him to a pit with a tentacle monster. That oughta please the fans.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 08, 2008, 05:45:58 pm
Something Something Something darkside. . . .the chicken and peter. Thats what i wanna see.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 08, 2008, 05:55:58 pm
Indeed. I was actually looking forward to a serious final showdown between Solo and Fett. But... no. Let's just throw him to a pit with a tentacle monster. That oughta please the fans.
I kinda liked it. I didn't much care what happened to fett anyway.
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Post by: karajorma on March 08, 2008, 06:06:54 pm
Bah, if they want to complain about Boba Fett let's get down to the question of why the **** he even raised a finger to recapture Han Solo in the first place. As far as he's concerned he's already gotten his bounty on Solo so why should he give a damn if they eviscerate Jabba or not?

I've never been particularly interested in the typical fanwank over how dangerous Boba Fett actually is and I don't mind them going with the irony of him being killed not by design but by a stroke of luck on Solo's part but if you're trying to claim that he should have been a super-hard badass bounty hunter what you really should be taking issue with is his reduction from hired specialist to Jabba's main thug.
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Post by: Bob-san on March 08, 2008, 06:26:58 pm
I liked EP1 most out of the "New Trilogy", EP6 out of the "Good Trilogy", and Spaceballs because it's awesome. I picked according to the best of each trilogy.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 08, 2008, 06:29:31 pm
Spaceballs is a legitimate star wars movie? :wtf:
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Post by: Kosh on March 08, 2008, 06:33:57 pm
Spaceballs is a legitimate star wars movie? :wtf:


It should be, it was better than the prequels and episode 6. I know Return of the Jedi was part of the original trilogy, but it just didn't have the feel of the other two. It just seemed so....watered down. Changing Solo's character from a pirate to a clown and including the Ewoks were what ruined it for me.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 08, 2008, 06:40:08 pm
It still seemed in character to me.

But then again, i first saw the star wars movies when i was a little 6 year old kid. So my view on it will be different from most people and probably won't ever change.
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Post by: Hellstryker on March 08, 2008, 08:33:05 pm
It still seemed in character to me.

But then again, i first saw the star wars movies when i was a little 6 year old kid. So my view on it will be different from most people and probably won't ever change.

Same here, but after reading that thread over my view has been quite shifted..
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Kosh on March 08, 2008, 09:54:32 pm
Six was bad, but it was nothing compared to the level ep. 1 sank to..........
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: haloboy100 on March 08, 2008, 10:24:45 pm
Six will always be my fav :P
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Jeff Vader on March 09, 2008, 05:24:24 am
Bah, if they want to complain about Boba Fett let's get down to the question of why the **** he even raised a finger to recapture Han Solo in the first place. As far as he's concerned he's already gotten his bounty on Solo so why should he give a damn if they eviscerate Jabba or not?

I've never been particularly interested in the typical fanwank over how dangerous Boba Fett actually is and I don't mind them going with the irony of him being killed not by design but by a stroke of luck on Solo's part but if you're trying to claim that he should have been a super-hard badass bounty hunter what you really should be taking issue with is his reduction from hired specialist to Jabba's main thug.
Hmm. Never thought of that. Shame on me. But that raises another question. Why the **** was Fett still there in the first place? He had his money. From Jabba and the Empire. Why would he lurk in a smelly cave with a fat worm when he could be finding new jobs or doing some recreational activities?
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Post by: karajorma on March 09, 2008, 05:46:09 am
Maybe he was on holiday. Don't get many chances to work on your tan when you wear armour all the time. :D
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 09, 2008, 06:11:59 am
He lived though? One of the novels, so i'm told. *will check wiki soon*
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Roanoke on March 09, 2008, 07:11:41 am
I thought this summed up a lot of people's problems with Episode VI nicely. I think most of you have probably seen it already.

http://www.phxff.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=765&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=2&Topic_Title=50+Reasons+why+Return+of+the+Jedi+Sucks&Forum_Title=General+Discussions (http://www.phxff.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=765&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=2&Topic_Title=50+Reasons+why+Return+of+the+Jedi+Sucks&Forum_Title=General+Discussions)

some of that stinks of "missing the point"  :doubt:

Maybe he was on holiday. Don't get many chances to work on your tan when you wear armour all the time. :D

after seeing ep2 I was glad to see that little prick die. Easily my fav charicter prior to the "new" episodes.  :no:
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: BlackDove on March 09, 2008, 10:57:01 am
Hmm, when I found myself I needed to choose, I went for 5 obviously, but then I remembered it was everyone ELSE who liked Empire Strikes Back, and not me.

Then I sat aback and realized I don't really like any of them.

So, Knights of the Old Republic and the Dark Forces series for me. No Episodes.
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 12:29:41 pm
Well if you want to talk 3 best star wars games, then i choose XWA, KOTOR 1 and Dark Forces FTW :D
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: CP5670 on March 09, 2008, 01:13:55 pm
I want a new DF/JK game. We haven't had one in years. :(
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Post by: Jeff Vader on March 09, 2008, 01:18:15 pm
I want a new DF/JK game. We haven't had one in years. :(
It might be fun but a DF/JK game must have Kyle Katarn as the player's character. And I think they're out of ideas on how to make him not have the power of the ForceTM at the beginning of the game. The alternative would be to have him as a master from the very beginning, but that would be kind of boring.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 01:22:11 pm
Or maybe it wouldn't. Perhaps your apprentice could turn evil, kinda how like JA went if you chose dark side?
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 09, 2008, 01:24:08 pm
KOTOR. JK. Then tie fighter. Bastilla for the sexy pants award!
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 09, 2008, 01:24:22 pm
I picked 3, 4, and 5. The Empire Strikes Back will always be the best Star Wars movie, and Ep3 is a much better movie than many people are willing to admit. ROTJ is ruined by the Ewoks and Endor, and The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones (what a terrible title) aren't very good.

Also, where were the stormtroopers slaughtering the celebrating crowds in Return of the Jedi? The Empire wouldn't just disappear when Palpatine was killed.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 01:26:08 pm
Why do people like episode 5 so much? Is it because of the Hoth battle or the revealing of Luke's father?
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 09, 2008, 01:27:37 pm
Hoth and luke gets cut up. What more do i need :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 01:28:47 pm
BOE FTW :D
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 09, 2008, 01:41:58 pm
Why do people like episode 5 so much? Is it because of the Hoth battle or the revealing of Luke's father?

Well, that and it had better directing than the other OT movies (Lucas wasn't directing, by the way), there was a tension and darkness in many parts of it that managed to avoid being cheesy like AOTC, the pacing is perfect, the Imperial March is incredible, and Yoda actually could string together a properly formed sentence now and then.
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Post by: Jeff Vader on March 09, 2008, 01:44:25 pm
Why do people like episode 5 so much? Is it because of the Hoth battle or the revealing of Luke's father?

Well, that and it had better directing than the other OT movies (Lucas wasn't directing, by the way), there was a tension and darkness in many parts of it that managed to avoid being cheesy like AOTC, the pacing is perfect, the Imperial March is incredible, and Yoda actually could string together a properly formed sentence now and then.
Indeed. A somewhat dark atmosphere. The rebels lost their base on Hoth, Han and the rest were constantly chased by the Empire, torture, Luke lost his hand and the ending wasn't all that happy. You know, a small hope was there but things were far from good.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 02:18:36 pm
And not to mention the funny enough han and leia kiss scene ;7
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Post by: Jeff Vader on March 09, 2008, 02:20:53 pm
Yeah. Though I wish someone had shot 3PO during the first five minutes of the movie.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 02:43:04 pm
I never did like 3PO. He always seemed like he served no purpose in the story.
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Post by: karajorma on March 09, 2008, 04:58:33 pm
Quote
Randal Graves: Which did you like better? "Jedi" or "The Empire Strikes Back"?
Dante Hicks: "Empire".
Randal Graves: Blasphemy.
Dante Hicks: "Empire" had the better ending. I mean, Luke gets his hand cut off, finds out Vader's his father, Han gets frozen and taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All "Jedi" had was a bunch of Muppets.

While I'm not going to join the morons who watch Jedi 40 times yet still say it sucks I fully agree that Empire was by far the best.
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Post by: Flipside on March 09, 2008, 05:52:35 pm
I always thought ROTJ was very good despite the Ewoks, after all, Luke spent 5 minutes on the Dark Side and yet managed to project more about its meaning and the fall from grace of a Jedi than the entire first 3 films.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 09, 2008, 10:21:11 pm
Funny you should mention that...Lucas wasn't directing ROTJ either, at least not officially, but I did hear that he did direct the end part of the throne room scene.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 10:24:48 pm
I liked the kind of dark vs. light thing that happened in Luke there. It contributed a lot to the movie.

The force lightning scene was also particularly dramatic
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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 09, 2008, 10:27:39 pm
The Force Lightning part has been much more emotional for me after the release of the prequels.
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Post by: Flipside on March 09, 2008, 10:32:30 pm
Well, as far as cinematics are concerned, I always thought the only problem with the prequels was that they looked like a modern movie with 1970's editing, which kind of makes sense in a way, maybe he was trying to go for the 'feel' of Star Wars, I'm not sure.

The Throne Room Scene was, to my mind, one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy, if for no other reason because you could almost sympathise with Luke for turning to the Dark Side for a moment, whereas Anakin almost seemed to catch the Dark Side as though it were some kind of flu.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 09, 2008, 10:41:07 pm
Yeah, QFT.
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Post by: Nuclear1 on March 09, 2008, 10:49:59 pm
Alright, here's the breakdown.

Phantom Menace was just flat-out terrible. Where RotJ suffered from the Ewoks in the second part of the movie, PM suffered from the Gungans throughout the whole damn movie, as well as with all the various aliens on Tatooine. The couple of parts that could have been genuinely awesome were ruined by either A) Jake Lloyd or B) Jar Jar Binks. The podrace could have been cool if they hadn't treated the Sand people like just another obstacle in the race and instead like the things that beat the piss out of Luke and 3PO in NH. The final battle could have been great were it not for Anakin essentially blowing up the droid control ship by accident. If the Gungans hadn't been so "oopsy-daisy" klutzes or made the battle so G-rated I could've taken a three year old to see it, it would have been tolerable.

Attack of the Clones suffered because of epic terrible acting. Let's face it, Hayden Christensen was only really good in Shattered Glass, and Ewan McGregor could have done so much if George Lucas hadn't forced him to make little cute references to Ep IV Obi-Wan throughout the whole thing. Even Yoda was embarrasing. The battle on Geonosis was actually pretty cool when compared to the PM battle, except when Yoda was giving military commands in broken English. "To the forward command center take me." WTF?

Revenge of the Sith was the only fairly good one out of that trilogy, and even it was nowhere near a match for any of the originals, even in Special Edition form. The battles were cool in a BoEish way, even if they were more busy than dangerous. Hayden Christensen's bad acting was really the only bad one in this one; Yoda was better, Ewan McGregor was 100000000000 times better, and Natalie Portman was pretty good (except for the "breaking my heart" line).

The original trilogy is really just a matter of finding out which one wasn't as epic as the other. Empire and NH had nearly nothing wrong with them, and RotJ only suffered from the ****ing Ewoks and trying to be too much of a Vietnam cultural reference. That was all offset by what Flipside pointed out about Luke's temporary fall from the light side and Vader's redemption.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on March 10, 2008, 12:04:23 am
Heir to-

...oh wait.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 10, 2008, 12:08:53 am
I'm tired of hearing about all the bad points of the prequels. I wish people would just get over it and find some way to live with them.

When Steven Spielberg comes on here and starts critiquing the movies, then I'll listen, but until then, as near as I can tell, all of this is just the same negative-opinion stuff that everybody was saying when the prequels were released.
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Post by: Nuclear1 on March 10, 2008, 12:11:11 am
Well, the prequels were...shiny?

The boxes are pretty too.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 10, 2008, 12:39:11 am
Well, the prequels were...shiny?

The boxes are pretty too.
He's got a point. And besides, this thread is about what we think of the star wars movies. It's Lucasfilm's fault that they sucked.
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Post by: Herra Tohtori on March 10, 2008, 02:01:44 am
I liked the kind of dark vs. light thing that happened in Luke there. It contributed a lot to the movie.

The force lightning scene was also particularly dramatic


Yeah... it was pretty much the best part of Ep.VI IMHO. Also, infinitely better than the mandatory lightning scenes in prequels. Just look at the dialogue...

And now, young Skywalker... you will die. vs. POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!!!

No competition there I believe, yet somehow Ian McDiarmid (along with Mace m-f***ing Windu with purple light saber) was able to turn even that little debacle into a memorable scene, when Hayden was mostly just looking like someone kicked him in the crotch repeatedly (not that he didn't deserve it) and sounded pretty much like it too.


I have to agree with whoever it said that Ep.1-3 are not disliked because they are poor movies, but because they aren't up to the levels of expectation - or the original trilogy, for that matter.

They could have been so much, but Lucas et al dumbed them down to readily convertable videogame material, paid more attention to computerized surroundings (I won't even call them special effects 'cause there's nothign special about them in the movies, seeing how everything is drowned in them). As it is, I prefer to read the books of the prequel episodes as opposed to watching the movies - lasts longer and doesn't attempt to feed everything down my throat in once digested form, if you catch my meaning. Stupid dialogue I can forgive - it was there in original trilogy, and heck, people tend to speak stupid things occasionally - but when you remove the bad acting and shiny toys from the view, I can imagine the world and events way better fitting the Star Wars universe than the movies did for me.

In fact, special kudos to whoever wrote the "Revenge of the Sith" book version. It actually manages to make Anakin seem have somewhat more reason to go dark and glowy-eyed than in the movies. Granted, the basic premise of going dark in order to protect your beloved from predicted death isn't the most convincing course of action for a cunning warrior. In the movies, he was kinda just manipulated around by Palpatine like he was a puppet by the string, and Hayden Christensen's acting (and the dialogue written for him) didn't really shed light to what the character's motives actually were. Also, in the books you can interpret him going to dark in many ways - his feelings clouding his judgement, or just being an arrogant prick who thought he could control the dark side and use it as a necessary evil to beat a bigger evil (no dice there obviously); in the movies it looks more like a combination of paranoid schizophrenia and a jealous hissy-fit. I mean... "I'll go dark to save Padme - woohoo, I feel great, Padme won't you follow me? Oh well I'll just throttle you here and now then instead!" Cunning warrior indeed... :rolleyes:

...there would be more to rant over, but I think my opinion has become clear.:rolleyes:


Oh, and my favourite of the movies is The Empire Strikes Back. It's just a series of excrement hitting the ventilator repeatedly for the Rebels, as it should be assuming the Galactic Empire had any competence at all behind them. Both Ep. IV and VI suffer from slight lack of it. Empire is the only one of the movies that depicts the imperials as a scary, undefeatable enemy aside from hit'n run or covert operations. They find you, you're screwed and you run as fast and far as you can. If you can.
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Post by: S-99 on March 10, 2008, 06:51:35 am
Idk. After watching the prequel trilogy. I find that i like it better than ep 4 5 and 6.
Lightsaber battles actually were something very spectacular for once and want to see again. The lightsaber battles in the original star wars really sucked hard balls. After that the technology everyone used pre-empire reign was a lot more interesting. Also in the prequels you got to see more than just tatooine, hoth, endor, bespin, and the ewok planet. Also in the prequels the storm troopers were actually shown off as useful and effective fighting force (they still are just as awesome when the empire reigns, just that the original star wars episodes made the storm troopers act like cheese). The jedi were actually cool enough to want to pay attention to and follow along as opposed to waiting for when the next big space battle is going to happen.

My only *****ing about the prequels is that the acting should have been a lot better, there should have been no jarjar binks (the rest of the gungans are quite okay and did keep the droid army from reaching whatever naboo city they were marching to), and lastly that in ep 3 when anakin and obi wan board that huge separatist ship to get palpatine...that the whole ship changing orientation thing didn't happen. I mean wtf was that? Do they have really ****ty anti grav on board separatist ships, or was that just a really bad scene?

Jar jar binks was really just a place holder for c3po....for the kids who watch the movies. But, the thing is that c3po and even r2d2 were in all of the prequel episodes anyway. Why did lucas need jar jar? And why do we need a jar jar action figure! (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Episode-Action-Figure/dp/B00000J2AO)

Anyway, for the original star wars my favorite episode was empire strikes back. Because, sometimes when the bad guys win, it's just sooo good. Also it had what i consider the only real good lightsaber fight out of the original trilogy. It had luke fighting vader in a well presented more powerful darkside versus jedi trainee. I also found this great youtube star wars lightsaber fight montage comparing all of the films lightsaber battles in one showing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q052CVnDSBI)

The other reason why i liked the prequels better was because i've found that everything in star wars universe is a lot more interesting and a lot cooler if it's anything pre-empire. Star wars really sort of starts to suck after the empire gets defeated. After all of this, i have a hard decision between ep 2 and 3. Ep 3 did feature obi wan fighting without a lightsaber against general greivous which was really awesome. I can't decide.

At least i bear a comparison of most if not all the lightsaber fights in all of the movies :yes: It's highly recommended to check out and helps in the decision making of which movies were better.
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Flipside on March 10, 2008, 08:10:53 am
Well, the choreographing and special effects in 1-3 were obviously superior to 4-6, however, there's just something missing, oddly enough, I think it is that the actors in 1-3 took their roles too seriously, whereas the original actors were actually pretty tongue in cheek, odd that this somehow improved the film...

The thing is, 4-6 were the story of a small group of friends and the major roles they played in the downfall of the Empire, it was quite a 'closed' story in many respects, whereas 1-3 were massive in scope, trying to tell the story of an entire Empire, not just a few people in it.

Lucas tried to deal with all the stuff in 1-3 which, for 4-6 was mostly dealt with in Fiction and LucasArts sponsored releases after the movies. One quote from the 50 reasons to hate ROTJ that did catch my attention was the fact that Ewok is a household name despite never being mentioned once in ROTJ.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 10, 2008, 08:13:27 am
Family guy blue harvest quote....


Peter / solo- "made the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs"
Chris / Luke-"Isn't a parsec a measure of distance not time?"
Peter/ solo-" Anyway.......<acarries on talking about something else>"
Title: Re: What's your favorite SW movies? (pick 3)
Post by: Flipside on March 10, 2008, 08:19:40 am
I seem to recall that was pseudo-explained once that the 'Kessel Run' was basically extremely close to a black hole cluster (inside which the original Death Star was built), and the falcon managed to get within 12 parsecs of the cluster, which was closer than any other non-military vessel.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 10, 2008, 08:26:15 am
Cheers you just ruined my favourite joke :(
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Post by: Flipside on March 10, 2008, 08:33:31 am
:lol: Well, if it helps any, the answer was so obviously tailored to fit the question that it really didn't forgive the comment in the first place ;)
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Post by: Mefustae on March 10, 2008, 08:37:59 am
I seem to recall that was pseudo-explained once that the 'Kessel Run' was basically extremely close to a black hole cluster (inside which the original Death Star was built), and the falcon managed to get within 12 parsecs of the cluster, which was closer than any other non-military vessel.
[geek]That would be the Maw, within which was a research station where such lovelies as the Death Star prototype and Suncrusher were produced. Anyway, I was under the impression that explanation was that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs by skimming extremely close to the cluster and shortening the run length, thereby demonstrating his piloting skill.[/geek]

But then, bending over backwards to correct writing errors just gives everyone a back-ache.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 10, 2008, 09:10:54 am
The thing is, 4-6 were the story of a small group of friends and the major roles they played in the downfall of the Empire.
Thats what makes them so different from any sci-fi. Almost all sci-fis nowadays focus on things on a galactic scale, which always involves to factions or species going at war with each other. (Freespace 2 exclusively did this, which is why all player-made campaigns with back stories for Alpha one fail.)
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Post by: General Battuta on March 10, 2008, 10:46:47 am
Really? Space opera is a big part of SF, but by no means the only part...there's cyberpunk and so on.

If you're referring specifically to film SF, most of it hasn't been space opera recently. Consider stuff like 'Cloverfield', 'I Am Legend', 'Serenity', the awful 'Jumper'...not much space opera in there.
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Post by: Woolie Wool on March 10, 2008, 11:41:36 am
The thing is, 4-6 were the story of a small group of friends and the major roles they played in the downfall of the Empire.
Thats what makes them so different from any sci-fi. Almost all sci-fis nowadays focus on things on a galactic scale, which always involves to factions or species going at war with each other. (Freespace 2 exclusively did this, which is why all player-made campaigns with back stories for Alpha one fail.)

Play Blue Planet or Wing Commander Saga.
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Post by: Hellstryker on March 10, 2008, 01:11:20 pm
**** blue planet, the feel was all wrong when it came to anything personal... play derelict
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Post by: Jeff Vader on March 10, 2008, 01:13:27 pm
**** Blue Planet and Derelict. They had actual plots. Play The Second Great War Part 2.
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Post by: Hellstryker on March 10, 2008, 01:17:42 pm
**** Blue Planet and Derelict. They had actual plots. Play The Second Great War Part 2.
:wtf:
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Post by: Jeff Vader on March 10, 2008, 01:19:33 pm
**** Blue Planet and Derelict. They had actual plots. Play The Second Great War Part 2.
:wtf:
:nervous:
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Post by: Nuclear1 on March 10, 2008, 02:01:33 pm
The thing is, 4-6 were the story of a small group of friends and the major roles they played in the downfall of the Empire.
Thats what makes them so different from any sci-fi. Almost all sci-fis nowadays focus on things on a galactic scale, which always involves to factions or species going at war with each other. (Freespace 2 exclusively did this, which is why all player-made campaigns with back stories for Alpha one fail.)

You never played Transcend, did you?
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Post by: Roanoke on March 10, 2008, 03:25:18 pm
I thought George Lucas tired to get through too much in Ep3. To have Anakin became Vadar (suit, robotics 'n' all), Palpatine to become the Emporer(sp?), Luke and Leia to be born and the Clone Wars to be concluded was too much.
I always figured Palpatine and Vadar become corrupt and twisted over years of exposure to the dark side and the wiping out of the Jedi. To have it happen within the space of a few minutes seemed ridiculous.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 10, 2008, 05:24:49 pm
agreed
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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 11, 2008, 12:04:13 am
In fact, special kudos to whoever wrote the "Revenge of the Sith" book version. It actually manages to make Anakin seem have somewhat more reason to go dark and glowy-eyed than in the movies. Granted, the basic premise of going dark in order to protect your beloved from predicted death isn't the most convincing course of action for a cunning warrior. In the movies, he was kinda just manipulated around by Palpatine like he was a puppet by the string, and Hayden Christensen's acting (and the dialogue written for him) didn't really shed light to what the character's motives actually were. Also, in the books you can interpret him going to dark in many ways - his feelings clouding his judgement, or just being an arrogant prick who thought he could control the dark side and use it as a necessary evil to beat a bigger evil (no dice there obviously); in the movies it looks more like a combination of paranoid schizophrenia and a jealous hissy-fit. I mean... "I'll go dark to save Padme - woohoo, I feel great, Padme won't you follow me? Oh well I'll just throttle you here and now then instead!" Cunning warrior indeed... :rolleyes:

I think you're analyzing it too logically; Anakin certainly wasn't, the best that could be applied there would be rationalization.

Sure, Anakin is a cunning warrior, but he's also young and had a pretty crappy life. First he was a slave - not gonna get much chance for interpersonal relations there - and then he was inducted into the stoical Jedi order. Then his mom gets raped and killed by a group of Tusken Raiders. He had extraordinary Force powers and was definitely on the quick track, which probably isolated him from a lot of his classmates. He was also inducted into the order at a relatively late age, which would be cause for further 'special treatment' - both negative and positive.

So he's not going to have a support base that he can easily talk things over with. Padme and Obi-wan; that's about it. Padme doesn't have any context for Force stuff, and Obi-wan's pretty straight arrow and is clueless to help Anakin with any of his experiences.

So, I think it's perfectly believable that Anakin decided that he had to have that power to save the one he loved, and once he killed Mace Windu, he was pretty much screwed over. He could either try and face the Sith lord who'd massacred most of the Jedi council already, or he could go along with Palpatine and hope for the best. That is, I admit, a bit of a stretch and I think that's the weakest point of Episode 3, because somehow Anakin goes from trying to save people to killing children who don't pose any threat to anyone.

But as far as strangling Padme goes, I think that had more to do with self-hatred and fear than any kind of thought that it would make things better. If you want to get psychological - Anakin needs to exert his power over Padme in order to justify everything he's done. He needs Padme to accept him, because if she doesn't, it means that everything he did was pointless and evil (Which, of course, it was anyway).

And Padme, unfortunately for her, is the person that Anakin is most free to express his emotions around. For all we know, he really wants to strangle Palpatine and just takes it out on Padme because he can and it'll mean something to him.

But I find it believable. There's all kinds of domestic violence that's utterly irrational. I'd imagine that a bit of premeditated homicide and the toppling of an entire government has the tendency to make some people behave a bit oddly from stress. :p
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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 11, 2008, 12:12:32 am
I think all that's why Lucas predicted that people wouldn't like Episode 3 as much. Episodes 4, 5, and 6 were pretty transparent - oh no, it's Darth Vader, we're all going to die; oh god no, Darth Vader is a horrible person, he can't be my father; ****, this is my son, I need to wax this mother****er.

With Episode 3, it's more like - come on. How can you possibly think that leaving six messages on your ex's answering machine, in the middle of the night, while crying like a baby, is going to do any good at all?
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Post by: IPAndrews on March 11, 2008, 08:58:36 am
Best summing up of the Star Wars Saga in the history of mankind.  :yes:
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Post by: Corsair on March 12, 2008, 07:48:55 pm
Then there's the X-Wing series, which would have made better movies than 1-3
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Post by: redsniper on March 12, 2008, 10:28:55 pm
yeah, that ought to be the new TV series, not some lame Clone Wars interquel drivel.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on March 12, 2008, 11:04:52 pm
Then there's the X-Wing series, which would have made better movies than 1-3

THRAWN TRILOGY

X-Wing would have lost way too much in cinematic format.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 12, 2008, 11:14:05 pm
As with all books converted to movies.
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Post by: Mefustae on March 14, 2008, 10:13:55 pm
Then there's the X-Wing series, which would have made better movies than 1-3
THRAWN TRILOGY

X-Wing would have lost way too much in cinematic format.
Pfft. Republic Commando movie ftw! 'Black Hawk Down' on Coruscant. Or perhaps a television- or mini-series. Think 'The Unit' set in the Star Wars universe.

Screw the grand, sweeping space opera. I want to see gritty details. I want to see the underbelly of the Galaxy Far Far Away.
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 14, 2008, 10:19:52 pm
I'd like to see a totally war-focused star wars movie. Imagine 300 in star wars.
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Post by: S-99 on March 15, 2008, 11:18:02 pm
I'd like to see a totally war-focused star wars movie. Imagine 300 in star wars.

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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 15, 2008, 11:26:18 pm
Blasphemy, madness, etc...

THIS...IS...KASHYYYYK!!!
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Post by: haloboy100 on March 15, 2008, 11:33:04 pm
STORMTROOPERS! TONIGHT WE DINE IN MUSTAFAR!
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Post by: S-99 on March 15, 2008, 11:35:02 pm
They must worship the kaminoan gods.