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Title: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 10, 2008, 05:42:26 pm
Still working on it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/waterloo4.jpg)
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Titan on April 10, 2008, 05:47:29 pm
*DROOLZ*

Awesome! Is it WC sized? DOes it have a freespace-level turret count?
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 10, 2008, 09:19:42 pm
*DROOLZ*

Awesome! Is it WC sized? DOes it have a freespace-level turret count?

1.2km, turret count unknown until i convert to truespace.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Titan on April 11, 2008, 06:55:35 am
uhh... what is that comparable to?
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 11, 2008, 11:08:30 am
uhh... what is that comparable to?
An Iceni and an Aeolus. Nice work on the ship, BTW.

EDIT: @Titan: Imagine the Iceni head-on with an Aeolus. Iceni ~ 900 metres, Aeolus ~ 300 metres. Combined ~ 1,2 kilometres.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Titan on April 11, 2008, 11:40:15 am
in size?  :confused:
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 11, 2008, 03:43:22 pm
Well, actually, the Iceni is 998 meters, which gets rounded up to 1 km.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 12, 2008, 12:20:18 am
I know, but it's only approximately. The Waterloo isn't exactly 1200,00 metres long, is it?
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 12, 2008, 12:29:12 am
the original waterloo was a mere 503.9meters long.  Not sure how you could get two fighter bays one something that size. Consider this the big brother  :D
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 12, 2008, 12:38:09 am
Hmm... Isn't it a bit small for having two fighterbays? I mean, the Orion has one, and it's much bigger.

But everything depends on your universe, of course. If your fighters are bigger then the FS2 ones, I would scale this up even further. If they're smaller, no problem.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 12, 2008, 01:07:19 am

With a Black widow and it's not a small fighter either. (unless i seriously messed something up)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/wship9.jpg)
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 12, 2008, 01:11:42 am
And how many fit?
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 12, 2008, 01:17:47 am
No idea... it's a cruiser not a carrier.  It'd probably carry more defensive oriented fighters.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 14, 2008, 02:53:47 am
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/waterloo5.jpg)
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Killer Whale on April 14, 2008, 04:24:16 am
Awesome!! :eek2:

That's super cool, is it similar to a hecate. And 1.2km isn't like a cruiser, it's more a destroyer.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: gevatter Lars on April 14, 2008, 09:21:29 am
Did you build in a plasmagun or even the PTC?
Also at this size its realy massive compared to the original this is build from.
It would look nice beside the "Light of Murada". Did I send you the model?

The model looks interesting and I like the details you put on the front part.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 14, 2008, 09:25:11 am
*applause not necessary*

It goes without saying................That is most definitely a keeper :D
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 14, 2008, 01:41:24 pm
Did you build in a plasmagun or even the PTC?
Also at this size its realy massive compared to the original this is build from.
It would look nice beside the "Light of Murada". Did I send you the model?

The model looks interesting and I like the details you put on the front part.


Phase Transint Cannon or more correctly called Graviton Gun.  The PTC was originally stolen from the Kilrathi Sivar, mid-Terran/Kiralthi war.  The original Confederation classes carried this devastating weapon.  One shot could take out a cruiser, however, due to difficulties at the time, the PTC proved to be almost as deadly to the ship carrying it as to it's target.  After several ships were destroyed firing it, it was taken out of service. 

During recent technology gains, mostly due to the development of an improved fleet plasma cannon, the PTC was brought back to life.  Massive improvements on containment and firing mechanisms made the PTC truly useable. 

Although slightly different than the original PTC, the bolt is basically a mini-black hole that passes through the target's shields effortlessly and starts to consume the hull wherever it goes, radiating massive amounts of energy back unto the hull.  Once the bolt collapses, it releases all the matter it has consumed into a massive explosion.  Only the biggest ships can withstand a hit from it and unlike the plasma fleet cannon, there is currently no way of intercepting it once fired.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 15, 2008, 07:47:33 am
What's the Fleet Plasma Cannon from?
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: gevatter Lars on April 15, 2008, 09:22:37 am
There are some notes in some WC production reports that mention fleet plasma cannons. The Tallahassee and the Murphy class should have been equiped with one but we never saw them firing ingame.
Parts of Scoobys discription is from these notes. Parts are made up...that is if I remember it correctly.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 15, 2008, 04:14:00 pm
Actually I believe I read somewhere's where the Kraken's and Midway's big gun was called that. CIC referres to it as "Ship Killer Plasma Gun" so I'm guessing it's from the defunct website. 

The first paragraph is accurate.  I personally believe the plasma cannon the talla and the murphy/hades/plunkett carried where of a different nature (probably stolen from neph technology). 
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: gevatter Lars on April 16, 2008, 03:08:19 am
The "Shipkiller" is a complete different weapon of its own.
The Tallahassee and Murphy class plasmaguns are basicly the same. I am not sure how comperable they are to what we see on the Hades and Plunkett class ships. I think they where more or less smaller version or very modern versions of the plasma guns since the Tallahassees and Murphys needed a lot of space so they where build into the hull instead of being mounted in a turret.

What they are definitly not is beeing stolen from the Nephilim, except for the Shipkiller. The Tallahassee-class was build long before we even know the Nephilim.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 16, 2008, 05:34:59 pm
I was thinking that the pre-WCP used brute force to mash down the shields while the newer version is phased, like the Devestator's cannon.  Speaking of which... i really need to finish that one up too LOL
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 17, 2008, 10:42:39 am
Pre WCP (WC4 ideally,) Confed was in its prime.................*Salutes the flag*



<insert Confederation anthem played on bagpipes here>



Tolwyn and the Black Lance, we hardly knew ye............
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: gevatter Lars on April 17, 2008, 12:46:59 pm
True brute force was used before the invention of torpedos that could penetrate shields. That was about WC1. Till then it was a race between shieldtech and weapontech. WC1 you could down shields with your bordguns, WC2 had phaseshields that where not effected by fighterweapons. WC3+4 again you could do damage to shield and ships with your guns. WCP has again shields that couldn't be penetrated except by the Devestators gun, while no explanetion is given for why that is so. Ok there is a gameplay reason but no in-universe reason that I know if.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: IceFire on April 18, 2008, 08:46:00 pm
Nicely done Scooby!  Whats the story with this ship...is it a retrofit of an old Waterloo or a reimagining?  Definitely maintains some of the same lines as the old one but with a more WC3/4ish look to it.  Always liked the Waterloo and was kind of disappointed that it didn't show up much in WC2.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on April 25, 2008, 12:23:19 pm
I'll have to see.  Right now I'm out of commission until I get my apartment set backup, which who knows when (using a library computer right now)
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on June 10, 2008, 11:17:37 pm
Ok it's converted but it crashed fred and scp.  :confused:
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Wobble73 on June 11, 2008, 09:34:22 am
"Waterloo, I was defeated
You won the war
Waterloo
Promised to love you for ever more..."


 :nervous:

I'm really not an Abba fan honest!

 :nervous:
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on June 11, 2008, 03:58:36 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/waterloo-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/waterloo-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/waterloo-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 11, 2008, 04:09:58 pm
Dunno what's different, but it's bloodty awesome :yes:
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on June 17, 2008, 09:50:20 pm
Ok question, I want to release a small how-to demo on firing the big gun. 

There's two turrets on the same spot:

One is a beam cannon with: 0 width, 0 damage, warmup 10000 (10sec), a large radius and no beam fire sound  [turret29]
Second one is the real GG: 10 fire wait, 400000 damage,  blob gun [turret30]

In fred:
Code: [Select]
When True -> Lock Turret turret29, Lock Turret turret30


Upon firing:
When True-> Turret Free turret29, Fire-Beam turret29 on target
chained delay [9 seconds] Turret Free turret30

Whats the command to fire a specific turret (non-beam) at a target?  Sometimes it'll fire the bolt right away and others it'lll wait forever.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 20, 2008, 05:48:42 am
Fire-turret and Fire-beam. Although really you should set the real gun to fire after the others warmup if i'm following you're set-up :)
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on June 20, 2008, 03:03:45 pm
Fire-turret and Fire-beam. Although really you should set the real gun to fire after the others warmup if i'm following you're set-up :)

Where's fire-turret? I don't see it at all.
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Snail on June 20, 2008, 03:06:24 pm
Err IIRC it was only coming in 3.7 or later in 3.6.10
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: tinfoil on June 20, 2008, 04:25:49 pm
Screenshot of bigass gun on front firing?
Title: Re: Waterloo, from a year ago or so....
Post by: Scooby_Doo on June 20, 2008, 06:17:26 pm
Still neds quite a bit of tweaking...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/powerup1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Shodan_AI/powerup2.jpg)