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Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 17, 2002, 03:58:41 pm

WIP name - it's the pre-Ragnarok viking god of Fire.

This is what i've spent the last week on... I'm attempting to get a more realistic (closer to :v:) mapping style, although the 'hull lines' will probably be dropped in the next model.  It's a mix of work on PSP7 and Adobe Photoshop, which I'm learning justnow.

May revise the 'electromagnetic propellor ring' thingie textures.

(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldopics/pbomber1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldopics/pbomber2.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldopics/pbomber3.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldopics/pbomber4.jpg)

Tech fluff :D

The GTB Surt was rushed into production towards the end of the second war with the Shivans, although the destruction of Capella ended the anticipated long campaign.  The Surt differs from conventional heavy bombers such as the Ursa and Boanerges, in that it is designed to utilise a magnetically accellerated shell.  The Surt was in fact designed to carry the 'Type 1' mass driver, capable of rapid firing up to 15 light uranium tipped shells in just under 2 seconds.   2 other varients of this weapon have been developed.

Since the Capella nova 3 years ago, the existing Surt class bombers have seen extensive use in border rebellions.


4 guns, 1 missile bank (the 'gun') firing specialised weapons.  Fairly Ursa-like in perfromance, although a bit smaller methinks.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Woomeister on February 17, 2002, 04:10:06 pm

:jaw: The model and maps are great Aldo :)

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: untouchable on February 17, 2002, 04:17:40 pm

oh wow! :jaw:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Black Sheep on February 17, 2002, 04:22:31 pm

Wow...impressive work, Aldo!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 17, 2002, 04:30:15 pm

:jaw:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: USS Alexander on February 17, 2002, 04:31:32 pm

:jaw: :jaw: :jaw:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Fineus on February 17, 2002, 04:40:29 pm

Dude... professional...my god!!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: gevatter Lars on February 17, 2002, 05:41:03 pm

Thats a very good work. That designe is intressting and the Tex are awesome. When you make more such progress we will have some very good models.
BTW do you have made it just for fun or do you plan something with it?

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 17, 2002, 05:49:25 pm

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Originally posted by gevatter Lars
Thats a very good work. That designe is intressting and the Tex are awesome. When you make more such progress we will have some very good models.
BTW do you have made it just for fun or do you plan something with it?

I guess he made it for his own campaign, reciprocity (see the hosted projects forums)

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Ryx on February 17, 2002, 06:15:33 pm

:eek2: ;)

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: WraithHost on February 17, 2002, 06:40:29 pm

really nicely done there Aldo.

design wise I don't like the wing mounted double barelled gun.
It is badly placed tactically & looks out of place.

The Mass driver cannon is nice.  Can it fire larger bombs at a lower Rate of fire? sort of like lobbing a cyclops at a cruiser at 300 m/s .

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: delta_7890 on February 17, 2002, 07:00:44 pm

:jaw: :jaw: :jaw:  Jesus tap-dancing Christ!  Once again, another outstanding model by Aldo!  If I had your 3llt skillz, I'd be in heaven.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: 67th GW Leader on February 17, 2002, 07:34:40 pm

:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:  is all i can say

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Galemp on February 17, 2002, 10:13:49 pm

Mediocre.

*pelted by Harbingers from all sides*

Hey! It was a joke!!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: LAMBO on February 17, 2002, 10:41:12 pm

wow that's the 2nd best fighter model i've seen for fs2(Raizel is always #1).

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 18, 2002, 03:16:14 am

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Originally posted by gevatter Lars

BTW do you have made it just for fun or do you plan something with it?

Not sure yet.  I had a second campaign idea I was going to work on after Reciprocity, which I might use it for.  I'll probably release it reagrdless... it was really just a concept model to work on texturing. (the lighting settings on 3dex kind of give a false impression, actually - there's a shedload of shading on the maps that is being 'overridden' by the max strength lighting)

And the side gun placement is straight off an Ursa ;) .... although the ships closer to Artemis size.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 18, 2002, 06:31:01 am

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Originally posted by LAMBO
wow that's the 2nd best fighter model i've seen for fs2(Raizel is always #1).

Nananananèèèèèèèèèèère :D I win

Anyway, you obviously own me for mapping.
AND THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE :mad2:

heee.... willing to make a couple more models for me? :p

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: HotSnoJ on February 18, 2002, 06:35:25 am

:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:  WOW. The one thing I don't like about it is the gun on the side. Its to far away from the center to hit any thing but a really big target, just like the Ursa.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Thorn on February 18, 2002, 02:14:06 pm

Thats a bomber?
It looks fast...
Very nice though...

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 18, 2002, 02:19:58 pm

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Originally posted by Thorn
Thats a bomber?
It looks fast...
Very nice though...

bombers can be fast :)

Title: Re: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Thorn on February 18, 2002, 02:22:37 pm

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Originally posted by venom2506
bombers can be fast

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Originally posted by aldo_14
Fairly Ursa-like in perfromance

I said it looks fast....

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Turnsky on February 18, 2002, 04:59:46 pm

:snipe: :eek2: woah, dude

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: diamondgeezer on February 18, 2002, 05:07:07 pm

Shiva H. Vishnu!! :jaw: and then some!

Me wantee! Gimme gimme gimme!!!1


NB HLP bosses, you do know the post new topic/post reply buttons are linked wrong, don't you?

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 18, 2002, 05:11:32 pm

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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
NB HLP bosses, you do know the post new topic/post reply buttons are linked wrong, don't you?

:snipe:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Thorn on February 18, 2002, 05:19:17 pm

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Originally posted by venom2506


:snipe:

I think they need one with a guy shooting himself in the head.....

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: CODEDOG ND on February 18, 2002, 05:37:55 pm

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Originally posted by 67th GW Leader
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:  is all i can say

:nod:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Corsair on February 18, 2002, 06:06:53 pm

Its different and unique and...
:jaw: truly awesome!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: LtNarol on February 18, 2002, 07:37:43 pm

[Darth Vader voice]
most impressive
[/Darth Vader voice]

aldo, could you tell me how you made the textures? please? i really need to make some textures for my models...capital ship textures just aint cutting it.  help me out here?  [email protected]

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: KARMA on February 19, 2002, 04:27:39 am

no aldo, i don't like it:lol: :lol: :lol:


(kidding:drevil: :drevil: :drevil: )


i love it :jaw: :jaw: :D

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 19, 2002, 06:25:30 am

is it just my browser, or the jaw smiley is gone? :D

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Post by: aldo_14 on February 19, 2002, 12:41:48 pm

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Originally posted by venom2506
is it just my browser, or the jaw smiley is gone? :D

Yup.  It's gone :confused:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Unknown Target on February 19, 2002, 01:01:40 pm

ummmmmm....wow*.....:jaw:




*double wow

Only thing I can say about it is that you should keep the hull lines in the next release...

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Martinus on February 20, 2002, 05:41:13 am

Sweet work Aldo. How many polys does it have and what size/amount of tex. maps did you use?

Very cool :)

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 20, 2002, 08:50:39 am

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Originally posted by Maeglamor
Sweet work Aldo. How many polys does it have and what size/amount of tex. maps did you use?

Very cool :)

'bout 650 polys (triangulated), 6 512x512 maps.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Fineus on February 20, 2002, 10:57:38 am

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Originally posted by aldo_14


Yup.  It's gone :confused:

Took up to much space - I'll try and make a smaller version (with a jaw that doesn't drop so far), in the meantime use :eek: :))

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Martinus on February 20, 2002, 12:32:09 pm

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Originally posted by aldo_14


'bout 650 polys (triangulated), 6 512x512 maps.

Six maps!?!?!

Heheh, you must have an uber powerful gfx. card :nod:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: an0n on February 20, 2002, 01:25:04 pm

It's very sketchish/drawing-boardish. You know like concept car sketches. It's like some obscure Anime alien ship.

You is 1337.


How does the FS engine handle it?

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 20, 2002, 02:49:15 pm

c'mon people. 6 maps! count the colossus maps damnit :p
ANy card that runs FS2 will run it w/o any pb. Remember my arcadia? it uses around 30 maps. so 6 maps= no big deal.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 21, 2002, 03:24:43 am

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Originally posted by Maeglamor


Six maps!?!?!

Heheh, you must have an uber powerful gfx. card :nod:

'bout the cheapest one on the market, actually (GF2 MX100/200).

Left & right sides, top, bottom, front+back, and the underside ring.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: HotSnoJ on February 21, 2002, 06:43:50 am

Yes :D the thread and reply's right now. I know you could do it HLP.
And my reply to this topic.

Mine is much worse then that. Its so old(1998) I don't even know what it is!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Martinus on February 21, 2002, 09:04:39 am

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Originally posted by venom2506
c'mon people. 6 maps! count the colossus maps damnit :p
ANy card that runs FS2 will run it w/o any pb. Remember my arcadia? it uses around 30 maps. so 6 maps= no big deal.

:doh: Sorry, I shouldv've said "six 512*512 maps". All of the textures for the colossus were 256*256 or smaller which is what most graphic cards are optimised for (except the newer ones IIRC). Anything above this has an impact on the gfx. card's speed.

I guess I'm wrong though since you don't seem to be having any probs with it. How many fighters of this detail can you fit on-screen before you notice any probs?

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Nico on February 21, 2002, 09:06:39 am

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Originally posted by Maeglamor


:doh: Sorry, I shouldv've said "six 512*512 maps". All of the textures for the colossus were 256*256 or smaller which is what most graphic cards are optimised for (except the newer ones IIRC). Anything above this has an impact on the gfx. card's speed.

no, actually, if the gfx card can't handle it, it will just scale it down. Well, most cards do that now anyway. Plus that's what lods are for anyway ;)

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 22, 2002, 05:28:53 am

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Originally posted by Maeglamor

I guess I'm wrong though since you don't seem to be having any probs with it. How many fighters of this detail can you fit on-screen before you notice any probs?

I've done some battletests of various ships with around 20-30 hi-res fighters (+ a similar number of standard FS2 ones, and several big ships) without any apparent slowdown.

Although I'm still testing - there's a couple of odd bugs with the Nightmare fighters where the players' ship - but not the actual gameplay - seems to slow down (it 'feels' heavier).

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Reaper on February 22, 2002, 11:20:27 am

NICE BOMBER:jaw: :eek2:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Martinus on February 22, 2002, 02:11:49 pm

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Originally posted by aldo_14


I've done some battletests of various ships with around 20-30 hi-res fighters (+ a similar number of standard FS2 ones, and several big ships) without any apparent slowdown.

Excellent :)
I hope my Voodoo 3 and 300Mhz k6 is up to the task, I can't wait to do a flyby on one of your capships in one of your fighters. :nod:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Starfury on February 22, 2002, 07:23:00 pm

Impressive as always, Aldo.  2 questions:  How long did that particular model take you?  And how long did it take you to get that good with whatever program you're using?


Very nice. :yes: :jaw: :nod:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Stryke 9 on February 22, 2002, 10:52:46 pm

Surtur is the alternate name, and sounds vaguely less like a grunt.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Ulundel on February 23, 2002, 07:17:51 am

I have a campaign (exodus) and I'm looking for models. May I use this when it's ready? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, oh pleeeease. May I, may I? :(

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on February 23, 2002, 08:07:12 am

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Originally posted by Maeglamor


Excellent :)
I hope my Voodoo 3 and 300Mhz k6 is up to the task, I can't wait to do a flyby on one of your capships in one of your fighters. :nod:

It should work fine on a regular FS-style mission... I'm going to try and beta test Reciprocity on my brothers PC, which is roughly the same as yours (bit faster, but a Pentium though).  My Pc is pretty fast though, even if the GF2 is fairly crap, so it's hard to speed test these things.

I'll be adding lower res maps as well, though.  Unfortunately, the LOD-ing is a bit guff, which annoys the hell out of me.

But, it look neat;
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldopics/surt_test1.jpg)

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originally posted by Starfury

Impressive as always, Aldo. 2 questions: How long did that particular model take you? And how long did it take you to get that good with whatever program you're using?

Very nice.  

About 2 hours modelling it, and about 10-12 hours texturing (not sure)

I've been using Blender for modelling since, well, whatever my regdate is here.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Setekh on February 24, 2002, 04:43:42 am

That's... well, that's quite incredible, Aldo. ;)

I'm proud of you. I remember the exact day you walked in here flashing around your TS1-built SOC ship... was it a cruiser? I forget that much. Hoo boy, have you come far. :)

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Post by: HotSnoJ on February 24, 2002, 05:52:14 am

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About 2 hours modelling it, and about 10-12 hours texturing (not sure)

I've been using Blender for modelling since, well, whatever my regdate is here.

Ha told you all Blender was really good for your modeling skills!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: elorran on February 24, 2002, 10:15:51 pm

Nice work Aldo. :)

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Post by: runes on February 26, 2002, 07:24:09 pm

wow, i like it!

it fits quite nicely with the freespace universe, but it also has a progressive feel that fits in inicely after Capella.

good work dude

:jaw:

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Setekh on April 04, 2002, 06:32:53 am

I'm bumping this... it's just a really good example of hull plate detailing. :nod::yes:

Title: wow
Post by: TrashMan on April 04, 2002, 06:56:04 am

:eek: WOW - that's all I can say.
Where did you learn to make textures like that?
If I send you my ships, could(would) you "skin" them, i suck at that.
Does anyone have some good written material about "skinning"?

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: TheCelestialOne on April 04, 2002, 11:46:57 pm

:jaw: ;7 :jaw: ;7

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: delta_7890 on April 05, 2002, 06:08:54 am

Damn, I forgot about this thing.  It's frickin' awesome!

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Stunaep on April 05, 2002, 10:15:23 am

Wow. I haven't wowed in this thread yet. Wow. Excellent textures.

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Sheepy on April 05, 2002, 03:27:02 pm

slightly reminds me of the deminion from DS9

Title: Aldo...
Post by: Silver_Scythe on April 06, 2002, 11:13:25 pm

Can I PLZ use that ship for my missions, maybe for a campaign? :D :D :D

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: Sesquipedalian on April 07, 2002, 11:19:55 am

He'll release it soon enough.  I just sent the interface art and weapons to him the other day. ;)

Title: GTB Surt - you like?
Post by: aldo_14 on April 08, 2002, 03:52:20 am

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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
He'll release it soon enough.  I just sent the interface art and weapons to him the other day. ;)

Yup. :0

I need to test if anything still has to be done, and also to try and get the magnetic accellrator on the underside to rotate properly, first.

Actually, it wouldn't be too hard to modify the ship to fire a beam from the underside, where the railgun is :D

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Post by: Bishop Gantry on April 08, 2002, 02:02:22 pm

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Jesus tap-dancing Christ!

gobble gobble

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Post by: Redfang on April 08, 2002, 02:09:08 pm

:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: