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Title: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 30, 2008, 12:15:35 pm
As the thread title says...
I'm open to all suggestions....

EDIT: screenies would be nice
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 02:10:41 pm
oooh, perfect!
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Galemp on April 30, 2008, 02:41:26 pm
Here's your pre-Aten. (http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/mekhet.zip) It was actually designed to be a heavy counterpart (Leviathan : Fenris :: Mekhet : Aten) but it can pass as a predecessor if you like.
It has generic textures as well as HoL and PVN reskins, and Fourteen-Year-War-era tables available too.

(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/mk2.jpg)
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 30, 2008, 03:12:42 pm
this one fits wonderfully... thank you Galemp!
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 04:11:26 pm
Please give us more galemp. PLEASE.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on April 30, 2008, 04:28:52 pm
GTC Tyr ?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on April 30, 2008, 04:31:14 pm
GTC Vidar
The Tyr looks considerable more high-tech than the Fenris, mostly due to curvy-ness.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Galemp on April 30, 2008, 04:36:39 pm
Please give us more galemp. PLEASE.

Feh. I don't like doing Terran designs. It feels too much like my day job.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 04:38:09 pm
Anyone...? Please?  :(
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 30, 2008, 04:45:37 pm
GTC Tyr ?

I've got the Tyr ... it is not what I'm looking for
I totally agree with Droid803 on that point

GTC Vidar

the names says nothing to me.... can you post a screenshot?

@Galemp:
The rextures are VERY nice - you deserve more than one extra bosh beer for them... I'm taking the PVN, the HOL and the neutral blue variant for the campaigns I need tthat cruiser
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on April 30, 2008, 05:08:40 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/kc1991/VIDAR.jpg)

Its in INFA. I could pack it up separately if you want.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 05:17:32 pm
I just made a sort of deimos-textures reskin of it today... but the vidar just doesn't work...  :blah:
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on April 30, 2008, 05:19:00 pm
What do you mean "just doesn't work"?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 05:32:34 pm
It doesn't quite fit in, y'know? Sorta like... The look of a hathepsut (spelling is bad) doesn't quite fit in with FS1 Vasudan ships.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on April 30, 2008, 05:41:06 pm
Of course Deimos textures don't fit. That's why you keep the Fenris-like tiles.
Actually, the Hatshepsut looks fine next to the Aten...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 05:46:39 pm
No, i mean just the... look, the shape, the over layout of it's stuff... it's not early terrans...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on April 30, 2008, 06:44:36 pm
Your call...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 30, 2008, 07:27:47 pm
I'll toss you the model if you like, but it will require work.


Heavy cruiser for ship-to-ship combat, before the age of the bomber. Close cousin or predecessor of the Leviathan/Fenris duo, too.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/ngtm1r/Alaska.png)
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Hellstryker on April 30, 2008, 08:53:58 pm
needs HTLing
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mad Bomber on April 30, 2008, 08:57:22 pm
I dunno. Tis not bad for the role it's meant to play. Put it in a lineup with a Fenris and a Ticonderoga and it wouldn't look out of place.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 01, 2008, 03:24:52 am
I have made a model of something like a Fenris-MK2. It's untextured, and pretty much just a mesh right now.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 01, 2008, 06:01:59 am
I already got the orginal model which was turned into the Vidar (and I've got those INFA textures) ... and no I did not consider it a good candidate...

@  ngtm1r:
a nice model but it is not quite what I'm looking for ... it should be more an allrounder

@ShadowGorrath:
I'm no modeler myself - but a picture cannot hurt, can it?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 01, 2008, 06:52:45 am
Nope  :D
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 01, 2008, 07:35:32 am
Here it is. But before you start commenting on how bad it is, note that it's still unfinished. And I doubt I will finish it.

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 01, 2008, 11:21:17 am
like the Tyr this is close to what I'm looking for...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 01, 2008, 11:45:30 am
How can you say that's not good?  :eek2:
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 01, 2008, 11:56:12 am
Me? It doesn't look the way that I intended. Unless I add a bit more detail that I didn't yet.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Hellstryker on May 01, 2008, 12:11:13 pm
It's not triangulated.. it probably has a poly count closer to 3500
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mad Bomber on May 01, 2008, 09:11:55 pm
Needs a different name. Otherwise I give it 2 thumbs up for this stage of the modeling process.  :yes2::):yes:
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 02, 2008, 06:53:25 am
I just like the general design. It looks exactly what a next-generation strike cruiser would look like.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 02, 2008, 05:26:15 pm
It doesn't look pre-fenris. Looks definitively post-fenris.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 03, 2008, 12:14:14 am
Yeah, it's a good ship for post-Capella campaigns. I'd love to see it finished.

For pre-Great War though, that won't work.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mars on May 03, 2008, 02:11:07 am
Try the GTC Cretheus that Axem made a while back... it's about the same size as a Satis, and has about the same number of turrets
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 03, 2008, 12:13:40 pm
The Cretheus looks like a mini-Aeolus, however.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mobius on May 03, 2008, 12:20:21 pm
As far as I know, the Cretheus isn't supposed to serve as cruiser. It's more like a mobile defense platform.

Me likes the post-Fenris!!! :D
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: NGTM-1R on May 03, 2008, 02:37:28 pm
Needs a different name. Otherwise I give it 2 thumbs up for this stage of the modeling process.  :yes2::):yes:

Don't you have something for this? I recall it from ETF...sort of a stripped-down Fenris/Levi.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 03, 2008, 03:03:06 pm
still, someone REALLY should pof it and stuff.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 04, 2008, 02:26:00 pm
Pof what? My Fenris MK2 ? If so then I guess I need to finish it ( add the detail that I wanted ).
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Hades on May 04, 2008, 03:55:41 pm
It needs more work but I think it looks good and old looking so far.
There is another body style I could work with. (Above main ship)

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Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: NGTM-1R on May 04, 2008, 04:11:35 pm
I'm failing to see how that resembles the slab-sided and straight-edged early Terran design.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 04, 2008, 06:42:10 pm
looks sorta like a carrack cruiser from SW.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mad Bomber on May 04, 2008, 06:51:52 pm

Don't you have something for this? I recall it from ETF...sort of a stripped-down Fenris/Levi.

The Peleus you mean? Sure, that could work, but it has a couple of heirarchy issues with the two multipart turrets which I've never been able to get anyone to fix.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 04, 2008, 11:48:33 pm
@Hades:
any name for that ship ?  and are you going to finish it some day?

@Mad Bomber:
an image if you don't mind?


ps. I'll be off until friday ... hope you find a nice solution for a pre-Fenris in the mean time ...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Hades on May 05, 2008, 03:37:01 pm
If you want it I will give you the honors of naming it. :) I will have to learn texturing in order to finish it.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 06, 2008, 12:08:57 pm
well it ain't too urgent
I would be eager to see it textured

I would name any pre-fenris GTC Garmr....
Garmr (Norse mythology) on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garmr)

ps. InternetCafes are a nice invention :)
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on May 08, 2008, 01:29:12 am
For the Fenris why not just use that ship in the TVWP demo?? Whatever it's called, some frigate or other.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 08, 2008, 02:48:27 am
The Ticonderoga. It looks too ugly to be a pre-Fenris.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: NGTM-1R on May 08, 2008, 02:52:23 am
It goes by Atropos in TVWP.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 08, 2008, 02:58:14 am
Same model though
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 08, 2008, 06:52:26 am
ya, a pre-fenris would have to be smaller, and more like a brick than a warship sorta.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 08, 2008, 06:58:34 am
I still don't understand what's wrong with the Tyr ?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on May 08, 2008, 10:55:39 am
ya, a pre-fenris would have to be smaller, and more like a brick than a warship sorta.

     Why would it have to be smaller? Some of the first tanks in WW1 were huge and had like 10+ guys in them. By WW2, tanks were smaller, more effective and had say 3-5 guys tops.

      Just because the Atropos is larger doesn't mean it's better. A ship can be larger and more weakly armed and armoured, and then it's followed by smaller ships which are more efficient with comparable or better weapons which take up less space, less massive engines, etcetera and so on.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 08, 2008, 02:40:08 pm
ah well. Anyway, the Tyr just really doesn't fit in. it's hard to explain. it's sorta like... GAH!!!
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 08, 2008, 04:29:42 pm
It looks high tech, the Tyr does. Its got nice curvy areas.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: jdjtcagle on May 08, 2008, 04:36:46 pm
I think that Pre-Aten looks great.

Not alot of good Vasudan ships especially Pre-Aten. :) :yes:

Could someone put this up on Freespacemods.net
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 08, 2008, 04:47:32 pm
The Tyr ? Curvy ? Are we talking about the same model ?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 08, 2008, 04:56:06 pm
The INFA Tyr?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 18, 2008, 04:27:25 pm
Hades,
any progress?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 18, 2008, 05:17:49 pm
I'd honestly prefer the Warmonger be finished. That thing was nice. It's the only thing that looks like a good fenris upgrade, the just doesn't seem to fit with anything...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 18, 2008, 05:20:47 pm
Well, I have a reskinned EAC Aesacus (INFR1) with Fenris tiling...
Certainly does not look "new". It looks like several bricks slapped together.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 18, 2008, 06:25:25 pm
sounds intriguing, actually. lemme see a screen please.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 18, 2008, 06:32:58 pm
It doesn't look pretty...

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Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Hades on May 18, 2008, 06:59:19 pm
Hades,
any progress?
Not really because I have had like 4 other models I was working on but I am almost done with modeling.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 19, 2008, 06:56:15 am
that's actually ok... surprising, for an INFR1 model.

@Hades: Yippe!
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 19, 2008, 03:24:43 pm
that's actually ok... surprising, for an INFR1 model.
Il y a un model d'Aesacus qui est high poly.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 19, 2008, 03:30:43 pm
that's actually ok... surprising, for an INFR1 model.
Il y a un model d'Aesacus qui est high poly.

Yea, but it's not released, is it?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 19, 2008, 03:31:39 pm
La, c'est vrai.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mars on May 19, 2008, 03:42:33 pm
The Ticonderoga makes sense as a pre-Fenris. Just because it's bigger doesn't mean a thing.

It has similar construction lines as the Fenris.

If it's ugly, then a week alone with a moderately skilled modeler would do it wonders.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 19, 2008, 03:54:51 pm
If it's ugly, then a week alone with a moderately skilled modeler would do it wonders.
There was a HTL Tico done by Woo. It might be included in INFASA.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Droid803 on May 19, 2008, 04:02:53 pm
Well, until INFSCP and INFASA come out, the HTL Aesacus and HTL Ticonderoga aren't available... >.>
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: blowfish on May 19, 2008, 04:07:48 pm
INFASA is due this summer (which probably means late fall... :P), but INFSCP is not due for a few years at least :(
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Hades on May 20, 2008, 07:02:46 am
Hey they are doing better than BWO they come out in the next century. :P
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 12:11:45 pm
Hey they are doing better than BWO they come out in the next century. :P
Who are doing better than MT, which comes out in the next few million centuries. :doubt:
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 20, 2008, 12:26:01 pm
Aren't you with MT ? If so, then I got only 3 words to you : 1.GET 2.TO 3.WORK !
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 20, 2008, 02:05:58 pm
they can't, it has degraded into an orginizational nightmare. sorta like the bush administration.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 20, 2008, 02:07:49 pm
I guess it's time for me to save the day. Now if only I could get access to MT internal forums... Which isn't possible for me, according to my mind.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 02:26:31 pm
I guess it's time for me to save the day. Now if only I could get access to MT internal forums... Which isn't possible for me, according to my mind.
I had an idea to try and get MT worked out and stuff, but Cobra refused to help.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Titan on May 20, 2008, 02:31:46 pm
Snail, please, don't blame particulars at all, don't blame anyone if you can help it. Remember that thing between you and mobius?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 20, 2008, 02:32:07 pm
Can't you try to continue to work on it alone? This way: work is continued; others might also continue to work on it/help you if they see that someone works, despite the fact that works alone. And besides, MT is something people want to see done sometime before the 'End of the World TM'.

Besides, I'm working on the Ancient-Shivan war mod mostly alone ( with help from Flaming_Sword now and then :) ). That's not stopping me. And though progress is kinda slow until I get more people to help, there still is progress. Something that, no offense to the MT team, doesn't seem to exist ...
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 02:37:36 pm
Remember that thing between you and mobius?
That was grinding on for ages.

Besides, I'm not blaming him, just saying how everything wasn't working out. Guess in that context it looked like I was singling him out.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Mobius on May 20, 2008, 02:48:00 pm
I tend to forget things like that and strenghten relationships.

MT should accept new team members and find a better way to organize the work, IMO.

INFA SA will be released during summer simply because both me and Snail are going to face important exams. Edivad will have some spare time to work but he can't fully replace us.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 02:59:30 pm
I tend to forget things like that and strenghten relationships.
I tend to send cringe worthy apology PMs...

(that's not to say what I write in them isn't true)

MT should accept new team members and find a better way to organize the work, IMO.
Ten new team members won't help, not without proper organization. In fact, more team members would worsen the situation: There'd be ten more versions of every mission. Right now all the missions are scattered everywhere in Internal, in threads with names like "Guess what?"
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 20, 2008, 03:39:54 pm
Then re-organise. Rebuild the team, or just give proper rules for the team. Seems simple, but it isn't, I know. But still- if you reorganise, it'll allow you to work more easily.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 03:41:42 pm
I was thinking of even asking Styxx to make separate subforums for missions, modding, effects, etc.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 20, 2008, 03:45:04 pm
Or just ask everyone to post the updated missions in one place, but with dates in their filename ?
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 03:49:06 pm
Which is the most advanced? Dates mean nothing. I could've made a mission yesterday which was worse than the one DarkShadow- created 7 months ago.
Title: Re: Looking for a Pre-Aten (got one) and a Pre-Fernis
Post by: Snail on May 20, 2008, 03:50:04 pm
Oh, if ShadowWolf_IH arrived everything would work.