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Title: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 05, 2008, 10:03:10 pm
Alright. I had some free time (as opposed to my usual time, which is spent doing an ungodly amount of work).

With that free time, I decided to waste spend it on a brand new FS2 Node Map.

Let me know what you think... changes will be made as needed, etc.

Here's the link:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7345/nodemapai0.jpg

I'm completely open to suggestions. Give me your thoughts.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Dark Hunter on May 05, 2008, 10:06:01 pm
Ooohhh, pretty colors. :cool:
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 05, 2008, 10:43:05 pm
That's awesome!

Does that happen to be based off of the nodemap by Setekh?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: BloodEagle on May 05, 2008, 11:27:53 pm
The curved lines bother me.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on May 05, 2008, 11:37:15 pm
Little too much glare.  Otherwise fine except for the Ikeya system.  You need to change the sun type to Wicker.   :D
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 05, 2008, 11:42:11 pm
That's awesome!

Does that happen to be based off of the nodemap by Setekh?

It's based off the official Volition freespace node map, and the data of the stars provided by the HLP wiki.
I had the time to include binary/trinary/quarnery stars, get the colors right, and even untangle some of the jump nodes (if you look at the Volition map, it gets really messy). Also, it's 1024x768, so it can sit in the background of most monitors.

I know that the glowy text is a bit bothersome, and I'm going to get that fixed soon.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 05, 2008, 11:44:24 pm
I think the text is fine. Would you happen to have it in 1280x720 format? :drevil:

j/k
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 06, 2008, 12:14:49 am
Little too much glare.  Otherwise fine except for the Ikeya system.  You need to change the sun type to Wicker.   :D
I also need to put a little bursty thing on Capella, but whatev.
And I'll tweak the leveling a bit in my next version to help reduce the glariness.


I think the text is fine. Would you happen to have it in 1280x720 format? :drevil:

j/k

No, in fact.
Constructed in <10 minutes from my previous build.
I'm experiencing trouble uploading it to any image hosting sites, so I'm going to put it on my PC/server web folder, which means it won't be available 24/7 (hence the PC part).
Here it is. (http://zonination.rh.rit.edu/nodemaplarge.jpg)
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 06, 2008, 12:20:17 am
Seriously? 720p format?

Awesome! :D
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 06, 2008, 08:57:39 am
Isn't the system called Beta Aquilae ? With one L .

And isn't Ribos a red star ?

Also, the curved lines disturb me  :nervous:

Other than that, I like it.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 06, 2008, 09:17:59 am
Why the hell do people hate the lines so much??
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 06, 2008, 09:35:31 am
Love it :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
The lines too, yes :p
Great work, zoni!
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 06, 2008, 10:47:45 am
They're CURVED. So that means they look strange. Besides, we see the subspace corridor as a straigth tunnel.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Mars on May 06, 2008, 10:50:17 am
Do we, really?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Unknown Target on May 06, 2008, 10:52:55 am
Yes?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Dark Hunter on May 06, 2008, 10:54:23 am
Do we, really?

Ummm.... you don't? :wtf:
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 06, 2008, 10:56:23 am
Mars, don't tell me you never stopped the Lucifer ?! Cause if so, then we're doomed !
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Galemp on May 06, 2008, 11:40:48 am
Not for another 327 years. Don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Titan on May 06, 2008, 11:50:50 am
i honestly think someone should make a sort-of a fs2 bible thing, including a complete map (one that includes all the systems, including new ones like Tau Sigma and Talnia, etc).

And i'm sorry, but the curvy lines just sort-of make it harder to follow routes and stuff.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 06, 2008, 12:13:34 pm
didn't the inferno team make one like that already? or the derelict team?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Dark Hunter on May 06, 2008, 12:21:51 pm
i honestly think someone should make a sort-of a fs2 bible thing, including a complete map (one that includes all the systems, including new ones like Tau Sigma and Talnia, etc).

It's called the FSWiki (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page).
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 06, 2008, 03:25:04 pm
They're CURVED. So that means they look strange. Besides, we see the subspace corridor as a straigth tunnel.

Well, this is more to show links between systems than having a linear representation of a linear scifi phenomenon. Like I said, I tried to make it more clear what links to what, rather than having a gigantic web of tangliness.

EDIT: And on second thought, space-time is curved anyway. :D
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 06, 2008, 05:38:09 pm
I like it. But the curved lines... :doubt:
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Retsof on May 06, 2008, 06:31:55 pm
I actually don't mind the curves, but maybe you could give them a white-ish core so they look more subspace-ey
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: BloodEagle on May 06, 2008, 11:23:30 pm
While I'm sure the lines make sense, it would just plain look better if they were straight.

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Could you overlay a semi-transparent grid over/under that? I'm curious as to how it would look.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Vasudan Admiral on May 07, 2008, 12:12:24 am
I like it. It looks like a vasudan nodemap should. :)
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 07, 2008, 12:51:05 am
Could you overlay a semi-transparent grid over/under that? I'm curious as to how it would look.

Zoni delivers.

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3764/nodemap2uu4.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nodemap2uu4.jpg)

It actually doesn't look that bad. Good suggestion, IMO.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 07, 2008, 01:00:49 pm
Cool. I'll give up about the curves thing, it looks good.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Kie99 on May 07, 2008, 02:25:37 pm
Could you overlay a semi-transparent grid over/under that? I'm curious as to how it would look.

Zoni delivers.

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3764/nodemap2uu4.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nodemap2uu4.jpg)

It actually doesn't look that bad. Good suggestion, IMO.

If you made this in Photoshop or something similar, I'd suggest putting the text above the grid.  Also, the spelling of Beta Aquilae is wrong, you've got an extra L in there.  Apart from that, bloody good work.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: BloodEagle on May 07, 2008, 05:24:15 pm
It's pretty.  :)  :nervous:
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 07, 2008, 07:59:08 pm
Could you overlay a semi-transparent grid over/under that? I'm curious as to how it would look.

Zoni delivers.

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3764/nodemap2uu4.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nodemap2uu4.jpg)

It actually doesn't look that bad. Good suggestion, IMO.


If you made this in Photoshop or something similar, I'd suggest putting the text above the grid.  Also, the spelling of Beta Aquilae is wrong, you've got an extra L in there.  Apart from that, bloody good work.

1. The text layer IS above the grid. Also, it was made in GIMP, in case you were wondering ;)
2. God damn it on the Beta Aquilae thing; I knew something was wrong. **recites page 1 of the curse word dictionary** :mad:
3. Aye, thanks mate!

Also, I'll be releasing a second version of this. Here are some of the changes I'll make:
1. Reduction of glare.
2. Improved text spacing and size, as well as a cooler text effect. It was kind of a last-minute get-it-done-and-be-done-and-stop-working-on-this-crazy-project kind of thing.
3. I'll be releasing it alongside an alternate one with straight nodes, just for you picky Terrans out there.
4. The size of the new image will be changed to 1280x800 to fit the desktop wallpaper of widescreen computer screens that are now more common, but you will be able to see everything if you simply center it on the 1024x768 res monitors.

Don't expect this all to be done overnight though, I have a new pile of homework that needs to be taken care of first. I'll see what I can do over the weekend.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 07, 2008, 08:44:38 pm
I refuse 1280*800. 2560*1600!
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 07, 2008, 09:02:56 pm
I refuse 1280*800. 2560*1600!

PFFFFFFT.
Screw you and your 5:3/16:10 aspect ratio.

I demand 720p!
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Galemp on May 07, 2008, 09:15:37 pm
I made a post-Capella nodemap a while ago. Here.

(http://pjfoliver.googlepages.com/nodemap.jpg)
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 07, 2008, 09:23:50 pm
and there is also the inferno one:
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/Docs/Nodemap01.jpg)
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 07, 2008, 09:26:36 pm
And the BWO one:

(http://www.savant-online.net/graphics/bwo/nodemap_bwo.png)

And please use lvlshot, haloboy100.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 07, 2008, 09:36:14 pm
Right. Fix'd
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 07, 2008, 09:56:47 pm
I made a post-Capella nodemap a while ago. Here.

(http://pjfoliver.googlepages.com/nodemap.jpg)

Holy hell. That's the one I was going to base it off of, but couldn't find on the interwebs. O_o

And as for the other maps... they're very well done. I'm trying to keep this node map 100% canon, but I'm starting to consider pseudocanon stars as well.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Droid803 on May 07, 2008, 11:19:38 pm
And the BWO one:

*snip*

And please use lvlshot, haloboy100.

BWO is a continuation of Derelict, right?
Then shouldn't there be a node between Tau Sigma and Regulus (or was it Sirius)? The one Nyarly opened?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 07, 2008, 11:27:08 pm
Didn't that one close directly after it was opened?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Droid803 on May 07, 2008, 11:51:49 pm
It was open long enough for you and the fleet to go through...
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Excalibur on May 08, 2008, 12:17:47 am
The lines need upgrading, i.e. brighter cores with "dots" at the end so they don't look like they've been whipped up with an airbrush - no offence - otherwise, great work. It almost looks like a still of a cutscene, with the band of stars and black edges. And the more realistic stars (systems).
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 08, 2008, 01:04:27 pm
it was made in GIMP, in case you were wondering ;)
/me worships zoni
You must be GIMPing for quite a long time... What font did you use?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: zonination on May 08, 2008, 07:41:18 pm
it was made in GIMP, in case you were wondering ;)
/me worships zoni
You must be GIMPing for quite a long time... What font did you use?
1. No I haven't. I'm an ex-Photoshop user of nearly five years, who recently switched to Linux (and adores GIMP more than PS). I found the commands and filters in GIMP to be similar to Photoshop's, and it only took me a couple of months to get up to speed on GIMP and all of its glory.

However, you can worship me anyway.  :pimp:

2. I used the Bank Gothic font, which can be found on Volition's website (http://www.volition-inc.com/fs/downloads.cfm). It's the official FreeSpace font. :D
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: admiral_wolf on May 09, 2008, 10:29:51 am
Mars, don't tell me you never stopped the Lucifer ?! Cause if so, then we're doomed !

Please don't remind me....I already know how I will die in 327 years and I'm already **** scared!
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 09, 2008, 05:38:36 pm
Yes IMO you should use a different color for collapsed nodes.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 09, 2008, 06:41:17 pm
Ya. And get rid of the string between them.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 09, 2008, 07:51:42 pm
No.  Keep some indication of the node, but make it clear that is has been collapsed.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Droid803 on May 09, 2008, 08:11:38 pm
No.  Keep some indication of the node, but make it clear that is has been collapsed.

Yea, since collapsed nodes still have story value.
They should still be there, but clear that it is collapsed, so we don't get inconsistencies.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 09, 2008, 08:49:22 pm
Have a thin red string.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Killer Whale on May 09, 2008, 09:03:32 pm
Where do those nodes from altair and regulus go, or does no one go down them, or are they shivan?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 09, 2008, 10:15:46 pm
Its never said where they go.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Galemp on May 09, 2008, 10:46:00 pm
I believe they're nodes too unstable for Terran or Vasudan use.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 09, 2008, 11:11:10 pm
Were they ever mentioned at all in the games?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 09, 2008, 11:17:44 pm
They might be nodes to useless systems. Or they can be normal non-populated systems. Non-populated due to the continuous war in T-V space.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Droid803 on May 09, 2008, 11:26:39 pm
Or just uncharted.
Yes, there's a node there. No, we do not know where it goes. No, it does not concern us.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 09, 2008, 11:44:23 pm
Or just uncharted.
Yes, there's a node there. No, we do not know where it goes. No, it does not concern us.
That's what I always thought, too.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Killer Whale on May 10, 2008, 02:21:54 am
So if someone wanted to make a new camaign those could be populated GTVA systems and more places to live and be attacked by...?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 10, 2008, 02:23:01 am
In Derelict at least one of them was used. 
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 10, 2008, 02:23:59 am
So if someone wanted to make a new camaign those could be populated GTVA systems and more places to live and be attacked by...?
Well, yes. If the new campaign is post-Capella.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 10, 2008, 02:29:34 am
Great idea. I'll have to use one of them.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: Galemp on May 11, 2008, 05:03:19 pm
Scroll of Atankharzim uses the one out of Adhara.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 12, 2008, 02:22:07 am
I felt inspired... It's 1280*1024 and I know it's not as good as zoni's, but I'm proud of it nonetheless (I've only got the GIMP for two weeks now ;))

(http://i25.tinypic.com/140hnw6.png)

EDIT: uploaded version 1.1 :D Thanks for the feedback, haloboy and blowfish! More comments = always welcome :yes:
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 12, 2008, 09:20:51 am
ooooh. Pretty ;)

That nebula could use fixing though. As well as the stars a bit, but, nice!

Sav'd :drevil:

I demand 1280X720! :P
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 12, 2008, 09:48:31 am
Yes.  Nice work, but fix the nebula.  Also, Capella is too bright, and the "collapsed" label for the Epsilon Pegasi-Capella node is confusing as it runs parallel to the Adhara-Procyon node.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 12, 2008, 01:18:49 pm
I demand 1280X720! :P
If anything, 1280*800, as that is 16:10, a.k.a a monitor and not a TV.

I like it, but it seems to have been eyeballed. GIMP has a neat feature, snap to grid.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 12, 2008, 03:05:05 pm
I demand 1280X720! :P
If anything, 1280*800, as that is 16:10, a.k.a a monitor and not a TV.

I like it, but it seems to have been eyeballed. GIMP has a neat feature, snap to grid.
Yeah, but my computer outputs 720p resolution too my widescreen TV, so I need 1280*720; 16:9.

Of course if it's not a problem ;)
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 12, 2008, 04:36:46 pm
How many people have a big screen TV as monitor?
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 12, 2008, 07:32:06 pm
People like me that are white enough to buy ~18k gold insulated component HD cables and use them for their computers XD.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 12, 2008, 07:35:55 pm
That wasn't racist or anything.

And Monster Cables (pretty much the only such cables) are worth the price, too bad the 50$ one my mom bought makes our overheating SV (shi-TV) overheat more.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: haloboy100 on May 12, 2008, 07:44:46 pm
That wasn't racist or anything.
No it wasn't. Just like, one of those common jokes that nobody should take offense too.
And Monster Cables (pretty much the only such cables) are worth the price, too bad the 50$ one my mom bought makes our overheating SV (shi-TV) overheat more.
Mine were 60 bucks :P. Solid gold on the inside and silver right after that, with copper plating to finish under the rubber. Straight from THX.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 12, 2008, 07:50:58 pm
I thought that THX made monster cables? That's what's on mine, at a-

Wait, NVM, it says THX.

Don't correct me, *****. :p
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: blowfish on May 12, 2008, 07:52:22 pm
Not to get off topic or anything ... :nervous: ... but I've heard that Monster Cables are good, but are still kind of overpriced.
Title: Re: Time to pass judgment
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 12, 2008, 07:53:36 pm
Not to get off topic or anything ... :nervous: ... but I've heard that Monster Cables are good, but are still kind of overpriced.
It's amazing how quickly we can derail a thread in this forum.