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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Wiki Project => Topic started by: Snail on May 18, 2008, 05:00:04 am
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Umm... Someone called ITA Master suddenly appeared and started writing all this random stuff about WMDs, stuff in 1996 and some random crap about the BTA and ITA, which apparently has absolutely nothing to do with FreeSpace. Luckily BlueFlames was there to clean up the mess... But the stuff he made is still there, just marked as non-canon. What campaign is this stuff from and is it even being made? I seriously object to writing random stuff like that if there's no campaign that includes it, and if it's just random non-canon stuff that he's written. Can someone delete those pages, or at least move them somewhere else?
(If ITA Master himself is reading this, please explain where the stuff you've written is from, for clarity. Thanks.)
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Uhh, ITA Master has posted again, and apparently mixed up some more non-canon info with fully canon information...
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This is getting me confused, really.
This guy knows a lot about FS, he said something about the GTVA/EA war in the Delta Serpentis page. I have the impression that this guy is willing to help without being aware of the rules.
EDIT: Although I really have to admit that most stuff posted by this guy is nothing but crap...
EDIT2: So basically the BTA is a pseudo GTA and the PCN is a pseudo PVN? Their union gave a pseudo GTVA, the CTVA. This is pointless.
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BTA? PCN, CTVA? :wtf:
This guy might be high on something...
Might be drunk.
And it can't be CTVA. It would be BTCA...gah, he can't even get his own acronyms right! The V can't come from nowhere! :lol:
This guy knows a lot about FS, he said something about the GTVA/EA war in the Delta Serpentis page. I have the impression that this guy is willing to help without being aware of the rules.
Except he spelled Inferno "Infirno".
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No, seriously, can we revert his changes, with extreme prejudice? It's good he's contributing and trying to help and all, but he's done more damage than good.
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But he knows something about INF...he might be a FS player...a weird one but still a FS player. He's not a spammer like the others, I think...
No, seriously, can we revert his changes, with extreme prejudice? It's good he's contributing and trying to help and all, but he's done more damage than good.
BTA, PCN and CTVA don't come from custom campaigns. They're misspellings. Wait a second...
EDIT: Et voilà, I've just created a nice user talk.
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Yea...well, G is above B. C is beside V...
G and C might be visually mistaken...but the stuff about the "WMD Weapon" and stuff? Where's that from? His own campaign?
We need to have a talk with this guy, for clarity purposes.
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The other things are invented. This guy's drunk, handicapped or is playing with us.
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"Tango Mango Fortress"?
:wtf:
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Mmm...smells like an0n.
But seriously. Just the fact he chose "ITA" says he knows more than most, on the other hand... :P
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Yea...well, G is above B. C is beside V...
G and C might be visually mistaken...but the stuff about the "WMD Weapon" and stuff? Where's that from? His own campaign?...
These two together would require a very interesting combination of inattention and dysgraphy.
I never understood why some people create new pages without double-checking the spelling of *at least* the title.
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Is it possible to prevent him from making further edits until this can be sorted out?
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Sorry, was on vacation or I would've caught this earlier.
I'll post him a friendly warning on adding non-canon content to sections that are not designated as such, such as the Freespace Universe page, and revert any changes he has made to those that you guys haven't already dealt with. I'll let his new pages stay for now, though, as they may be part of the description for a campaign he's working on - which would be entirely legit. Then, if he can't follow the rules after they've been explained, I'll hand him a short-duration ban to make it clear we're not kidding.
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Sorry, was on vacation or I would've caught this earlier.
Irony being, I was on vacation when I caught it. ;)
That aside, adding noncanon information to 'canon-only' (for lack of a better description) pages isn't the only issue at hand here. He's making a lot of pages for information regarding an unreleased campaign. I don't have anything against making pages for new campaigns, as I've turned my user page into a bloated megapage about the Second Front plot arc, but he's created ten new pages in the main namespace, many of which are pretty insignificant. Moreover, every time I've flagged one of his pages as noncanon, I've had to do significant copy-editing to make those pages maintain some kind of grammatical standard. Checking my own grammar and spelling is tiring enough, so I really don't appreciate it when someone posts with apparent disregard for the language, under the rationale that someone else can fix it later.
I suppose that's as much venting as it is valid complaining, but ITA Master has already ignored edits to his user and talk pages, and seems to be continuing to make edits, oblivious to our requests, warnings, and corrections to his new pages.
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Frankly, I can live with the new pages being in the main namespace, as long as nothing links to them aside from a campaign page under user campaigns (which I asked him to make). We haven't exactly been using namespaces properly in the first place so we're hardly the ones to complain. And there's no need to fix them up, really, aside from the non canon tag that has already been pointed out to him, as it is his campaign (presumably), and thus his problem.
I'll make sure he won't keep ignoring his talk page, though.
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The information on Deneb II is not canon either, BTW. It looks canon, but isn't.
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They're not references to a custom campaign, they're a mix of misspellings with random stuff.
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Okay, I've gotten slightly sick of this. I pressed random page five times and twice it came up with this guy's rubbish. What he's attempted to do is flesh out the FS2 universe, but he's mixed it up with some of his own stuff. Tell him to put all this information on his userpage or a dedicated page for his campaign only.
Stuff that looks canon, but isn't canon, which he has created, under canon titles, etc. etc. :
Deneb II
Vasuda III
UR Sector 5
Altair V
Altair II
Altair III
(several others)
They're not references to a custom campaign, they're a mix of misspellings with random stuff.
They're not. I know of no campaign about "Cancer Ambush" of 1996 or whatever it was, or the BTA, or the ITA, or the CTVA, or the PCN, or any WMDs.
Revert all changes, please. He's not only written non-canon crap, but it's all gramaticly incorrect and mispelt.
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BTA ---> GTA
PCN ---> PVN
CTVA ---> GTVA
Mine's not an impression, read his changes and you'll find out that the "CTVA" was formed following the union of the "BTA" and the "PCN". The reference to the GTVA is obvious.
The other things are random stuff.
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The other things are random stuff.
AFAIK there is no such thing as the GTD Skull, or an WMD, or the ITA.
Besides, if we're trying to give reliable information, repeated misspellings of important names are not reliable.
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That's random stuff.
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Which must be removed.
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He'll get a chance to organize it in case it really is for a custom campaign. If he doesn't, then it gets removed, as all the changes he made to pre-existing pages already have been.
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ITA Master has already ignored edits to his user and talk pages, and seems to be continuing to make edits, oblivious to our requests, warnings, and corrections to his new pages.
This is the salient point. If he continues to make changes without regard to canon policy or user comments, we can delete all his new pages and then ban his Wiki account. He'll eventually come to the forum to complain, and we can set him straight then.
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And he will be banned if he continues. He has only been active on the wiki for 2 days, though, which is not long. As I said in my first post on this topic, I'll ban him if it comes to it, but given that what he has done wrong is quite minor, that I consider banning (even temporarily) a sort of nuclear option that should be reserved for serious offenders who just can't be reasoned with, and that he's new, I'm willing to give him one more chance now that I've spelled out to him (in a fairly friendly way) how to properly add campaign specific info to the wiki.
I mean, hell, he new enough that he may not even know what it means when he gets the popup notifying him of a new message on his talk page. But if keeps making bad changes, then ban him I will. I've got all the reverted pages on my watchlist, so if he tried to edit them again I'll know it.
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AFAIK there is no such thing as the GTD Skull, or an WMD, or the ITA.
ITA is referenced in early FreeSpace 1 stuff. The Galatea was original the ITA Repulse, for example.
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That doesn't make it canon.
My suggestion is a 2-3 day cooldown ban.
I also left a message to him, in which I asked him to respond in "any way [he] can." Hopefully, he will respond in some way and we can sort this out.
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ITA is referenced in early FreeSpace 1 stuff. The Galatea was original the ITA Repulse, for example.
I know that, but there's nothing about any events in 1998, WMDs or the BTD Skull in any canon source. How can you misspell GTA as BTA so many times? Besides, ITA could mean anything, not only the ITA of ITA Repulse.
To the admins:
Delete all the new pages he's created, please. Non of them contain any useful canon information, and even if they do they're incomprehensibly written.
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Matter closed, for now. Cleaned out everything he added since he never showed up to explain himself in the two weeks I gave him, and if he does something similar again, he'll get a ban on the spot.
In case ITA Master reads this: You're welcome to get in touch with me and explain yourself if you actually had plans for that stuff you added. I'll gladly work with you to get it added in a proper way if it is part of some project you are working on.
[Edit] And a request: Could we get this locked? I'd rather not get my 'final' statement on the matter lost beneath 10 replies that are totally unnecessary as the matter is taken care of already.
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:bump:
Unlocked and bumped. I can split this into a new thread if people prefer.
BTA/ITA Master is now back, but as Hiigara (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Domain%27s_Light:_A_FreeSpace_2_Conversion) instead now. Look at all the crap that he's added (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/Hiigara). :doubt:
Per this thread, I've banned him from the wiki and sent him an email.
EDIT: And unless I hear a good reason, I'll probably delete all the new pages he added as well as all of ITA Master's new pages (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/ITA_Master) within a few days.
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Well, at least now we know that it's referring to his mod, Evolution (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Evolution). Maybe just add non-canon tags everywhere?
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"Tango Mango Fortress"?
:wtf:
:lol:
:wakka:
Funniest thing I've read on here in ages.
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BTA/ITA Master is now back, but as Hiigara (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Domain%27s_Light:_A_FreeSpace_2_Conversion) instead now
Heh, so it *was* him? Thought that style looked familiar, and would probably have banned him today anyway if you hadn't got there first. While posting campaign info is generally fine, given his track record he'll damn well have to demonstrate that he actually has a campaign to post about before that stuff goes in.
Oh, and I agree deletion of those pages is in order. ITA's are two years old and it's clear now that there's no campaign forthcoming, and the ones as Hiigara are just more of the same.
Well, at least now we know that it's referring to his mod, Evolution (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Evolution). Maybe just add non-canon tags everywhere?
Gave him a long leash on his first visit, and he's had two years since then to show that he is actually capable of delivering something - Not necessarily a release, but at least some visible progress, like screenshots or even something as simple as posting a progress update on the forums. Nothing has materialized, and now apparently he's jumped on a new project: A TC no less. Now, call me a pessimist if you will, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that one guy isn't going to finish a TC all on his lonesome even if he is a modding god.
So as far as I'm concerned, until some evidence is presented showing that this TC is actually an even borderline viable project, and that he actually has a chance of doing something with it over the next, oh, 4-6 years, I'm inclined to consider it poor fanfiction rather than a description of a mod-in-progress, and as such something that does not belong on the wiki.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that one guy isn't going to finish a TC all on his lonesome even if he is a modding god.
Me too. Which he isn't, anyway, judging from this quote:
No Modding Tools. Will like some help
Due by my lack of modding ships and etc. I'd like it if anyone during there spare time can message me if they can help me make this Conversion. I'm sorry for any I mean any spelling errors because of my suckish spelling. If anyone wishes to fix this that would be lovely. But if they make it worse then i will report the person responsible. Thank you and this will be out at any time.
I like this one as well:
Warning
Do not edit or change this page. Thank you.
By the way, his email address has 1997 in it. If that's his birth year, then he's 13 years old now. Which means he was 11 during the first incident. :shaking:
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http://www.xfire.com/video/274c5a/
Apparently, he's got a video, so there is progress. I don't know for how long this mod has been in development, but the video makes it clear that it may come to reality. Evolution deserves its own page on the wiki and Hilgara deserves a chance to prove himself, but I support the removal of all the random and undescriptive faction pages.
And why was he banned? Because he was adding random stuff or because he was an alter ego of a banned member, ITA Master? Or both? :P
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hmmm, mission layout is a little 2d, anyone ever invite him to participate on the forum?
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=8068
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hmmm, mission layout is a little 2d, anyone ever invite him to participate on the forum?
The last time he posted about it, it got flamed to death.
(Not exactly, but he got shot down pretty hard)
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http://www.xfire.com/video/274c5a/
Apparently, he's got a video, so there is progress. I don't know for how long this mod has been in development, but the video makes it clear that it may come to reality. Evolution deserves its own page on the wiki and Hilgara deserves a chance to prove himself, but I support the removal of all the random and undescriptive faction pages.
He had the same amount of progress to show for that "A New Era" thing he had before that, and nothing came of that either.
Seriously, nothing against campaign creators making a WIP page for their campaigns, but a) his writing style was unreadable, b) he has never released anything, and c) most of the "information" he's adding could just as well be placed on the mod's main page. Not to mention that he keeps lacing his entries with all sorts of undefined stuff that means nothing to anybody not him.
So, +1 vote for summary deletion of those articles.
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He had the same amount of progress to show for that "A New Era" thing he had before that, and nothing came of that either.
Because he was discouraged.
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No, he posted those videos long before he ever told HLP about this project officially.
Video posted: 11th of December 09.
Thread opened: March '10.
So yeah.
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Pages baleeted.
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Because he was discouraged.
Perhaps he was, eventually. But that was only after we'd practically begged the guy to work with us so we could help him get the info about this new campaign he was working on added to the wiki in a responsible manner, instead of the rather damaging way he was going about it. But he didn't, and eventually the hammer had to come down.
I even left him a note in this very thread, should he ever read it, that he was welcome to contact me and that I'd be glad to help him do it properly if he could convince me the project was real. And I left the pages he'd made alone as a show of good faith and because they weren't doing much harm once the links to them were removed. So yeah, he was discouraged, but he asked for it and he always had a way out if he'd chosen to use it. But again, he didn't.
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Despite him once saying
For the People out there that still hate me for my over editing, Blam My Son. =P He was the one who did it behind my back. Have a Good Day and Gratz and Luck to me
it still is rather obvious that he himself is a child who is highly excited about FS2 and has n + 1 ideas of his own. The problems are that
- his projects range from very large mods to outright total conversions
- he thinks the Wiki is a place where he can keep blurting out all his fakin supah ideas
- he doesn't really respond to criticism, except maybe in an angry way.
And not that it matters now, but I also supported the page deletion. The Wiki serves the people a lot more, if it contains pages of things that either have been released or are very likely to be released. I mean surely it would be frustrating if a player goes through the campaign list, searching for new campaigns to play, but instead finds a pile of articles about things that are heavily in the idea stage but that's about it.
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Ok, I can understand his position, since, well, I was 11 too when I came here thinking 'Oh boy, I'm gonna make the best campaign ever!'. But he really must be informed of the rules here.