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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: ShadowGorrath on May 24, 2008, 08:24:06 am
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Ok, so I decided to finish it. But I lack ideas on what to add to it... Did I slight update today though.
However, if someone wants it in-game, somebody else will have to UVMap, Texture it, and put it in-game, as those things are beyond my current skills.
So suggestions/ideas please. And tell me if anyone wants it/is willing to put it in-game.
(LVLShot)
(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6892/0805243dmodelisupdateau3.png)
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Reminds me of the Corellian Gunship from star wars...
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You should add more turrets, IMO. Maybe one or two (advanced)torpedo launchers(not like the ones the Fenris and Leviathan cruisers have), some AAA turrets, up to four small flak turrets and not more than 2 anti-capship beams.
Oh, and change the name.
:)
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Yeah. Warmonger? What sort of name is that? Try a Norse name.
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Meh. Fenris was Norse, Leviathan was not. Try a completely different name.
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I like this ship :)
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Call it the Hobbes!
Or The Long Parliament!
Or Matter, Forme, and Power of a Commonwealth, Ecclesiasticall and Civile!
(Actually, Mobius would probably like De Corpore Politico...)
I like the design; it has a good feel of streamlined sophistication while retaining some hint of the original inspiration. No major nitpicks, though I'm not sure I like the swept-back extrusion on the bottom -- it might look better if it was just vertical? Then again, perhaps not.
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No, I would call it Res Publica :p
Seriously, Google the Encyclopaedia Mythica...there are beautiful names there :)
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No, I would call it Res Publica :p
Are you serious?
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How can ":P" be serious? :wtf:
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Well I wouldn't put it past you. :P
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Moderate your idiotic comment :P :lol:
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those wierd circle things on either side, in the middles section of the ship (look in bottom part of pic) should be two TerSlashers (the normal version, not the light version)
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Select all of the edges right click and you will see hardness, click hard and viola, you can use the thing to used to get rid of the lines without the smoothness and it will be easier to see the detail.
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How about calling it the GTC Garm (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/garm.html) class?
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How about calling it the GTC Garm (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/garm.html) class?
Or the "Fafnir", like the gay-sounding Battlemech with Heavy Gauss Rifles.
Though supposedly in Norse mythos it's a cool Dragon. With a name like that I'm not convinced.
Even so, maybe better than War Monger. I designed a Battlesuit once for Battletech and called it Death's Visage or something, and it was a pretty lame name too. War Monger, maybe not the best . . . .
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Or you could call it the Jormungand... :nod:
Warmonger doesn't work that well. It might work for a specific ship, but it sounds...out of place as a class, seeing as its not from mythology like all the other ones are.
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Or the "Fafnir", like the gay-sounding Battlemech with Heavy Gauss Rifles.
I can't hear that name without thinking of the Fattie 'mech. (offhand, I much preferred the Warhammer, Argus, Centurion, and Black Heart anyway.)
But back on topic, I also think Garm is better, because having two Terran cruisers with 6-letter F-names could perhaps get a bit confusing. "Garm" is easier to differentiate from "Fenris" at a quick glance than "Fafnir" is, particularly for guys with less-than-perfect vision like meself.
Tho Jormungand would work for that purpose too.
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I can't hear that name without thinking of the Fattie 'mech.
Ditto. Though I actually like the Fafnir mech. Its so satisfying blowing small mechs away with twin Heavy Gauss.
But back on topic, I also think Garm is better, because having two Terran cruisers with 6-letter F-names could perhaps get a bit confusing. "Garm" is easier to differentiate from "Fenris" at a quick glance than "Fafnir" is, particularly for guys with less-than-perfect vision like meself.
Its even more confusing if they kept Fenris as Fenrir. Then you'll have two cruisers that have six-letter names that start with "F" and end with "ir". :lol:
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Fafnir, Jormungand and Garm are all familiar names for me(hehe)...
Garm is more appropriate, I think.
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GTC Notus? GTC Jotun ? GTC Sathanas ? :p
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Notus and Jotun are already used in INF...as for Sathanas...well, we all know. :P
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I've seen a lot of ships using the same names as in other mods. Besides, Notus and Jotun are bombers, right? And Inferno stole all the good names anyway. :ick: :rolleyes:
"Command, a Sathanas is jumping in !"
Guess what'd come next
Oh, and as for the round things, it's meant as something similar like on the Fenris red dots on the sides.
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Fenris and Leviathan are two beasts. Woo therefore decided to name the Fenris upgrade "Ethon" to follow that convention.
The names we proposed fit well, like Garm. There are 3 ships with beast names, why would you call the 4th "Warmonger"?
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Force of habit...
And until everyone can agree on 1 name, Warmonger stays. Which means forever.
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GTC Asturias? :p. At least one spanish name in the game... :lol:
I like that design. Fenris/Leviathan's design looks like a giant hand phaser from star trek :lol:.
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Fenris and Leviathan are two beasts. Woo therefore decided to name the Fenris upgrade "Ethon" to follow that convention.
The names we proposed fit well, like Garm. There are 3 ships with beast names, why would you call the 4th "Warmonger"?
Maybe you didn't get it...there's a naming convention for this line of cruisers. Use Garm or face the consequences :p :lol:
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:pimp:. What consecuences? Do you want to have an accident? We are a family, but there are limits... :lol: ;7
Now serius... Beasts... Fenix? Griffin? Chimera? Nemea? Dragon? Einheriar? Scylla? Ciclop? Siren? Wyvern?... this last one i prefer...
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Phoenix* Chimaera*
Wyvern is damn cool, it reminds AC, but I see it as a Shivan name.
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And Scylla could be a mk2 of the Caribdis...
Yes, Wyvern sounds like a bad bitting creature. But if i can remember, leviathan was a ships eater, and Fenris the Loki's giant evil wolf ready to fight in the ragnarok. Looking it this way, Wyvern would be a good name for that beautiful ship ;).
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But Wyvern is English. Fenris is not(otherwise it should have been Fenrir).
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But Wyvern is English. Fenris is not(otherwise it should have been Fenrir).
Oh, i didn't know. I also call that beast Fenril.
But, Leviathan is english, isn't it? :confused:
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Ditto. Though I actually like the Fafnir mech. Its so satisfying blowing small mechs away with twin Heavy Gauss.
I stick to a Dire Wolf with 3 LBX 20s. Everybody falls!
Jormungund and Garm made me go :wtf: because they're the names of the Zerg broods, Purple and Orange, iirc. So is Fenris. That's the Teal brood. Might as well go and name it the Tiamat. Or Baelrog. Or Surtur. Although, Tiamat, Baelrog and Surtur evoke Shivan impressions.
How 'bout the Lesale?
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But Wyvern is English. Fenris is not(otherwise it should have been Fenrir).
Oh, i didn't know. I also call that beast Fenril.
But, Leviathan is english, isn't it? :confused:
The British tend to import words. Only the pronunciation changes. Leviathan's not an original English word, like many others.
Jormungund and Garm made me go :wtf: because they're the names of the Zerg broods, Purple and Orange, iirc. So is Fenris. That's the Teal brood. Might as well go and name it the Tiamat. Or Baelrog. Or Surtur. Although, Tiamat, Baelrog and Surtur evoke Shivan impressions.
How 'bout the Lesale?
Tiamath and Ba<e>lrog are undoubtely Shivan-ish. Not all beast names can be used for Terran ships.
Lesale? :wtf:
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... What. Its the name I used for a main line destroyer I designed, for a universe I created myself, but don't really have much in other than a handful of self written novels. Before you ask I, hadn't played DoTA before that.
The names I used for the cruiser classes in my universe were ... Titan, Leviathan, Isolde, Tristan, Arbalest, Claymore, Edge and Laevatein. Pick one.
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Where does Laevatein come from?
My statement was clear. This is the fourth ship of a line of cruisers. The line of cruisers follows a naming convention so no unappropriate names.
Fenris
Leviathan
Ethon
Garm
What's wrong with it?
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Where does Laevatein come from?
Its a legendary sword in Norse mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laevateinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laevateinn)
Why not name it the Laevateinn, then ? Its Norse. Just not a beast.
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We were clear...no similar names like Perseus ---> Perses, Fenris ---> Fafnir and Leviathan ---> Laevatein. Simple. They sound stupid.
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Garm, Wyvern and Notus sounds good...
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GTC Midgard!!! :nod:
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... Midgard ? Sounds more appropriate for an installation than a Cruiser.
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Notus is already used. Wyvern, though cool, might not be appropriate.
GTC Midgard!!! :nod:
That'd be a nice name...for an installation.
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Notus is already used. Wyvern, though cool, might not be appropriate.
GTC Midgard!!! :nod:
That'd be a nice name...for an installation.
Yea. That.
Go with GTC Garm...
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We're winning! :D
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Garm seems appropriate.
Anyone who isn't for Garm is supporting the name Warmonger, for as long as there is opposition, Warmonger will stay as the name. :no:
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Garm, or Warmonger. Not much choice.
Garm!
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Garm just feels right for that ship... few ships get that wierd feel.
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GTC Titan ? GTC Chimera ? GTC Capella ? Oh wait, that'll be for the juggernaut... GTC Snail?
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TAC Snail?
Fix0red.
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Arr I'll lawk the thread if ye don't get back on topic!
So... Any other progress/conversion?
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No suggestions = no progress. I said that I lack ideas for the model.
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Here's a suggestion: Turret it and convert it.
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Eh? Read the first posts...
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Who, me?
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No suggestions = no progress. I said that I lack ideas for the model.
Eh? Read the first posts...
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GTC Behemoth
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That's Shivan!
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Yeah. It was a rakshasa class cruiser in the mission "A lion at the door"
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Where does Laevatein come from?
My statement was clear. This is the fourth ship of a line of cruisers. The line of cruisers follows a naming convention so no unappropriate names.
Fenris
Leviathan
Ethon
Garm
What's wrong with it?
If that is true would it be Ethon? :p
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There already is a ship named Ethon. What's your point? :wtf:
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There already is a ship named Ethon. What's your point? :wtf:
Oh, come of it already. There hundreds of ships with the same name.
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Garm for the win.
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I dunno that kind of sounds Shivanish.
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Eh, its his model he can name it whatever the hell he wants to in the end anyway. If you use it for your campaign you can always change it in the ships.tbl anyway so who cares.
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GTC Midgard!!! :nod:
I'll take that name for another cruiser of mine. thank you :)
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those wierd circle things on either side, in the middles section of the ship (look in bottom part of pic) should be two TerSlashers (the normal version, not the light version)
Allright, who is the .... that invented the lite Terslash! If it wasn't crap enough.... ;)
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The LTerSlash isn't so bad actually, it's better than the SGreen.
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why are you guys beeing so difficult?
just call it the fenris mk II
fighters like hercules etc are called like this aswell right?
or else.. that garm
sounds nice to me ;)
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I tend to instantly hate ship names with one syllable in them :ick:
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Wazzap?
Getting back on topic, I'd be willing to map and convert it if there is no one else available. Just keep in mind that it might take several weeks due to my schedule. I would also need it in either .cob or .3ds format, too. Oh, and about the name...
how bout GTC Graback--a giant serpent?
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Wazzap?
Getting back on topic, I'd be willing to map and convert it if there is no one else available. Just keep in mind that it might take several weeks due to my schedule. I would also need it in either .cob or .3ds format, too. Oh, and about the name...
how bout GTC Graback--a giant serpent?
GTC Wazzap. There's the name for it :p
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Sounds like a JAD cruiser
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GTC Viper ? GTC Serpent ? And, I give up - GTC Garm ( sp? ).
I have it in 3DS. Where/how should I send it to you ?
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why won't it let me upload a pic i have for it's armament layout?
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Just upload it to tinypic or so. I guess our admins are lagging behind on deleting attachments.
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About giving me the file... Could you upload it some place and give me a link?
And about weapons layout... I think I'm gonna make the two circle majigs on the sides into torpedo launchers, for firing off Cyclops or Helios bombs. It'll have two forward-firing anti-cap beams on the front, as well as about 4 AAA's and an equal number of flak guns on the body or in the back.
About the texturing... do you guys want to have it tile-textured or have it's own dedicated texture?
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The circular things were supposed to be like the red/blue glow dot on the side of a Fenris/Leviathan :p
I'll upload it to rapidshare and PM you with the link. And the texture should look similar to the Leviathan or Fenris one.
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Dedicated, but have it look slightly fenrisy
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Wazzap?
Getting back on topic, I'd be willing to map and convert it if there is no one else available. Just keep in mind that it might take several weeks due to my schedule. I would also need it in either .cob or .3ds format, too. Oh, and about the name...
how bout GTC Graback--a giant serpent?
It's Grabacr, right? And should be used with Ofnir. They work in pairs :lol:
Come on, everyone knows that Galm(Garm) from Ace Combat Zero is far stronger than Ofnir and Grabacr from Ace Combat 5/Zero. :rolleyes:
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I still say that Garm sounds like a Shivan name. :rolleyes:
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It does, just like Fenris, Leviathan and Ethon :P
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Naming arguments aside, who's working on this? I'd like to see it finished, and we can argue about the name more later.
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I do believe that esarai is working on this...
Or at least, I certainly hope he is.
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It does, just like Fenris, Leviathan and Ethon :P
No those do not Mobius. :rolleyes:
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Leviathan does sound Shivan.
Mostly because its not very big...
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Leviathan does sound Shivan.
Mostly because its not very big...
Sathanas sounds Shivan and is VERY big...
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Leviathan does sound Shivan.
Mostly because its not very big...
Sathanas sounds Shivan and is VERY big...
But you probably think that only because of the SJ Sathanas. If someone had asked you about the name Sathanas and whether it sounds Shivan or not, you might not say the same thing.
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To me Sathanas reminds me of a mother. So think of the SJ Sathanas as the mother of all ships :P
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I need to apologize, I said I'd have this done in two weeks, but I must admit, this is one messy model. Not saying it's the creators fault, it's just whatever program made it made a lot of really small, unnecessary faces and many intersecting coplanar ones. It's kinda scared me off, but rest assured, I am working on it.
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*sees model* Well heeeeloooo...
I do like the look of this cruiser. One possible user here mate! :cool:
Looking foward to seeing it when esarai is finsihed. What sort of size are we taking here? Fenris? Aeolus? Deimos?
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So, I need to apologize even more... I severely underestimated how booked my summer actually is. I leave for New Haven, CT tomorrow and I won't be able to finish the project for another 5 weeks. So, I feel that a preview is in order.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/esaraisaiea/GarmScreenShot1.jpg)
The Bottom side is untextured as of yet, and there are a few details that need filling in.
Feel free to go ahead an critique this, I will be able to read the responses, and will finish it as soon as possible when I return. I have also uploaded the model files used in Blender and 3DS formats, and the picture in .psd (Photoshop) and .jpg formats if anyone feels like continuing where I left off.
http://files.filefront.com/Fenris+II+GTC+Garmzip/;10724162;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/Fenris+II+GTC+Garmzip/;10724162;/fileinfo.html)
http://www.mediafire.com/?9jwj3jl4ydj (http://www.mediafire.com/?9jwj3jl4ydj)
Until I get back,
Esarai
EDIT: I put the wrong link in for the picture the first time, and now its fixed. And don't think the texture distortion is part of the end result; that's just an artifact of the real-time display in blender.
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I love the greebling in that photo.
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Geesh, what of the odds ! Filefront doesn't work... Can someone mirror it?
EDIT: Megaupload hates me too.
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mediafire.com
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I mirrored the GTC Garm.zip file into mediafire.com. Here's the link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?9jwj3jl4ydj (http://www.mediafire.com/?9jwj3jl4ydj)
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Could we have the real picture? I don't really care for SExps myself.
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Could we have the real picture? I don't really care for SExps myself.
What?
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But you probably think that only because of the SJ Sathanas. If someone had asked you about the name Sathanas and whether it sounds Shivan or not, you might not say the same thing.
That's completely wrong. Shivan names are the names of monsters, demons and hindu deities. If Lucifer was appropriate for a superdestroyer then Sathanas is MORE than appropriate for a Juggernaut.
To be honest I don't like the fact that ships which are more powerful than the Sathanas(I'm refering to INF, of course) don't have very-evil-names.
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To be honest I don't like the fact that ships which are more powerful than the Sathanas(I'm refering to INF, of course) don't have very-evil-names.
I think if Woo found a super-evil name that still sounded good it would work well, but he didn't so he just used obscure ones. I would really vomit if I saw "SSJ Devil".
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Could we have the real picture? I don't really care for SExps myself.
What?
He uploaded the wrong picture, he has fixed it now.
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Could we have the real picture? I don't really care for SExps myself.
What?
He uploaded the wrong picture, he has fixed it now.
Oh...alright...Ignore that comment then.
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Okay, we have something.
The ship's model and gunnery are ready to go, but I encountered a few issues:
1. The textures got mashed to hell when I scaled them down. I wanted to use a 1024x1024 texture instead of the 2048x2048 I worked with. I still have the bigger one, so that can be worked out.
2. It looks better with specmaps.
3. NONE of the subsystems will appear in-game. No idea what happened here. Every .pof editor on my computer is telling me everything checks out and ready to go, but FS2 is throwing hissy-fits.
The ship averages 470 m long, pushes 30 m/s, and has 2 beam cannons, 3 missile launchers, and 4 AAA guns and 14 laser cannons. It is indeed a 'Heavy Cruiser.' It'll take quite a lot of stuff out real fast if you use my Hellion missiles. I'll include some new missiles for it when I upload it.
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Yey. Now I'll have an ASF cruiser for EW!
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sweet!
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Progress?
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Yes... good progress, too.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/esaraisaiea/GarmShiny.jpg)
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That's an awesome ship.
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Yes... good progress, too.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/esaraisaiea/GarmShiny.jpg)
Hey, not bad.
I guess this can be released, now that Droid803 fixed some of the issues that esarai encountered. Or am I wrong, and it is unfinished?
Nothing wrong with releasing it, because it was originaly meant to be released to public, and not End War. And I'll have to modify the map colours to suit the ASF in EW anyway.
Just don't forget to credit me for the original mesh :P
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Droid's working on it now. Hopefully he'll get the subsystems in line pretty quickly.
I'll make sure to put the due credits in the readme.
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I really like what you guys came up with here. :) Good work to all involved! :yes:
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Okay people!
Here is a pre-release, so to speak. The radar isn't spinning just yet, but the rest of everything works. If you're okay with a fixed-position radar, then this is the release for you. When the radar starts spinning, I'll post another link.
zip format:
http://files.filefront.com/FenrisII+GTCGarmzip/;12494784;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/FenrisII+GTCGarmzip/;12494784;/fileinfo.html)
rar format:
http://files.filefront.com/FenrisII+GTCGarmrar/;12494722;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/FenrisII+GTCGarmrar/;12494722;/fileinfo.html)
Have fun
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Long time waiting, much appreciated :yes:
Leap years in progress from that first screenie. Be proud :nod:
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Filefront doesn't work for me ... Why not put it up on FSMods?
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Not fully finished yet. Though yea, mirror it somewhere as filefront doesn't work for me either.
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Okay, it's on Mediafire now.
Zip Format: http://www.mediafire.com/file/yjoeofvnnwt/FenrisII-GTCGarm.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/yjoeofvnnwt/FenrisII-GTCGarm.zip)
Rar Format: http://www.mediafire.com/file/vjvkniy3mlu/FenrisII-GTCGarm.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/vjvkniy3mlu/FenrisII-GTCGarm.rar)
And the main folder in case that fails:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=054fabcab3c1012c91b20cc0d07ba4d2fff02d45f9903c0c (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=054fabcab3c1012c91b20cc0d07ba4d2fff02d45f9903c0c)
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By the way, I think there's an error with the table entry. Two of the missile turrets are marked as PBanks in the table. I think its turrets 5 and 6.
And I think its missing a turret. I know its incomplete, but I figured I'd just give you a heads up. Should there be a turret opposite turret 9?
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Heh? I recall fixing the missing turret when I added subsystems and turret data.
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I dunno. The model I dl'd from the filefront link seems to have a missing turret. It has 23 turrets, iirc.
=Edit=
Is there supposed to be a turret to the lower right of the cruiser, on the engine block? It's lower right with the engine facing me, btw.