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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: achtung on May 24, 2008, 03:06:47 pm
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http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/24/0345245&from=rss
I hope this is true. Probably just some crazy investment scam though.
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*slap*
Idiot. This is life. Stuff like this is too good to happen in life. You are dreaming.
:P
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What would this mean for us?
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*slap*
Idiot. This is life. Stuff like this is too good to happen in life. You are dreaming.
Pretty much. Read the comments - doesn't look hopeful.
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If they actually had achieved cold fusion, I'd think there'd be some sort of major announcement to the scientific world.
Then again, they may still be gathering data before doing a formal release, but still. This screams "HOAX!" at me.
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Look at the poster: Anonymous.
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if it does work, its free energy almost forever. fuel burning cars dissapear instead you get heavy water cars pollution goes to near 0 from the oil industry etc it woulda be far too good to be true though.
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Which is why I'm not even going to bother giving this a second thought.
The human race doesn't deserve to live.
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The human race doesn't deserve to live.
Oh, please, we've already got Nuke. One's enough, thank you.
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Well hey, a school of thought can have more than one person involved.
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It's an Italian economics journal publishing a short fluff article about a Japanese "experiment." Call me when you have an actual scientific, peer-reviewed source, and we'll start to talk.
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Well hey, a school of thought can have more than one person involved.
I'm just saying, yeah? It'd be nice if that school of thought wasn't so damn sulky and self-defeating. We ought to be facing up to the consequences of our existence, not mumbling about how worthless and undeserving of life we all are.
****, what am I doing? I'm lecturing a teenager about his beliefs. Good God, I've become the enemy.
I... I think I'm going to have a lie down.
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I wonder how soon it will be before energy companies buy the rights to this technology and shelve it for a while until they have gotten everything they can from finite sources of energy.
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****, what am I doing? I'm lecturing a teenager about his beliefs. Good God, I've become the enemy.
I... I think I'm going to have a lie down.
Don't argue with me. You'll eventually end up giving up and running away.
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if it does work, its free energy almost forever. fuel burning cars dissapear instead you get heavy water cars pollution goes to near 0 from the oil industry etc it woulda be far too good to be true though.
coldfusion || hotfusion != freeenergy;
and in a thousand years when were all out of deuterium we will be back to burning whale oil.
The human race doesn't deserve to live.
Oh, please, we've already got Nuke. One's enough, thank you.
who the **** said you could be a misanthropic anti-cosmic nihilist too. get the **** out and impale yourself:D
Well hey, a school of thought can have more than one person involved.
NO! thats not how it works! thats how normal people do things, you dont want to be one of those :D
now while you're out impaling yourself, self immolate while you're at it! :D
Well hey, a school of thought can have more than one person involved.
I'm just saying, yeah? It'd be nice if that school of thought wasn't so damn sulky and self-defeating. We ought to be facing up to the consequences of our existence, not mumbling about how worthless and undeserving of life we all are.
****, what am I doing? I'm lecturing a teenager about his beliefs. Good God, I've become the enemy.
I... I think I'm going to have a lie down.
the consequence of life is death, i just want people to be a little faster when facing their consequences.
for your penance you are to go cut me 7 billion impaling stakes, ive got work to do :D
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The human race doesn't deserve to live.
(warning: sarcasm)
Wow, please, could you tell everybody what are you doing being alive then?
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Wow, please, could you tell everybody what are you doing being alive then?
You tell me.
Seriously. :doubt:
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****, what am I doing? I'm lecturing a teenager about his beliefs. Good God, I've become the enemy.
I... I think I'm going to have a lie down.
Don't argue with me. You'll eventually end up giving up and running away.
Trashman likes to say things like that, too. :D
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Don't argue with me. You'll eventually end up giving up and running away.
Aren't we the fatalist. If I did give up, believe me, it would be thanks to your attitude and not your philosophy.
But I have no intention of arguing with you. I said my piece, you responded with a smug non-answer. Unless you want to continue this I don't think there's much sense in wasting any more of each other's time.
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Don't argue with me. You'll eventually end up giving up and running away.
That would require you to be actually arguing.
Besides, I suspect for unreasonable stubbornness I have you beat all to hell. I've beaten down Trash before, before I stopped bothering.
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I think that it's a scam myself, after weighing the evidence.
And Nuke is allowed to be nihilist-fatalist. Look at his username. Now HB, what do you have? (and don't give me some lecture about The Flood or something)
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I've beaten down Trash before, before I stopped bothering.
You what?
Colour me impressed.
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I've beaten down Trash before, before I stopped bothering.
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
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Seems like a cold fusion/free energy story crops up every 6 months or so. So far nothing has come of them. It'd be nice if it were to do so...but hasn't happened yet. I'm still holding out hope for ZPM's personally :)
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I'm still holding out hope for ZPM's personally :)
QFT.
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maybe these people should turn this excess detected heat into electricity through a rudimentary possibly inefficient system to power a few lightbulbs or something. Maybe people will be more likely to believe it.
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And Nuke is allowed to be nihilist-fatalist. Look at his username. Now HB, what do you have?
I have an opinion. What's so wrong about that?
(and don't give me some lecture about The Flood or something)
I started to hate Halo after I made haloboy100 my username on HLP.
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On topic please, gentlemen?
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before i get nuke happy again
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Cold fusssion.. If it was possible, wouldn't it had messed up many laboratory experiments during the past few centuries? (and be detected)
It has not been proven impossible, but is there any more reasons to believe it is possible than, lets say, astrology, or existence of god(s)?
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hot fusion is farther along, so id rather the scientific resources be spent on something that can work, instead of something that might work.
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hot fusion is farther along, so id rather the scientific resources be spent on something that can work, instead of something that might work.
You mean, something that is a scientific impossibility, unless these people have somehow managed to get around two of the fundamental forces of the universe.
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Science does not prove anything. It merely states that "X will happen if the conditions Y are met 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999% of the time"
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so the 1.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 1% is religion?
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No, because that would be more than 100%. lrn2arithmetic.
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Or maybe 1.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 0% is converted to energy when you combine the two numbers. :p
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But we're talking about time. :p :p
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True, science never definitively proves anything, but when you're dealing with predictions that have been experimentally confirmed countless times over the past half-century or so, you should tread lightly before declaring them null and void with one single experiment. :p In this particular case, we're dealing with two of the four fundamental forces of the universe: electromagnetism, and the strong force. For fusion to occur, the Coulomb (electromagnetic) repulsion between the two positively-charged nuclei must be overcome to the point where the strong force, the binding force that holds the protons and neutrons in a nucleus together, takes over and causes the two to fuse together. As its name suggests, the strong force is the most powerful of the four forces, but it's only applicable over very short distances; to get atoms that close to each other, you have to pump a lot of kinetic energy into them to get them to overcome the electromagnetic repulsion (which, as you'd expect, gets stronger the closer they move together). We have a good handle on what sorts of energies are involved (if we didn't, we'd find it rather difficult to build working hydrogen bombs), and those invovled in these experiments are orders of magnitude below that.
Now, could there be something fishy going on here that goes beyond what we understand of nuclear interactions? Perhaps. But if I had to venture out on a limb, I'd predict that it represents a very limited-case exception, not some massive new paradigm, and I'd also warrant the guess that its practicality, if any, would be extremely limited. Whatever the case, it needs a hell of a lot more widespread and repeated testing to determine exactly what is going on.
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Problem with Hot Fusion is it's too hot. Literally, they can't contain the reaction without expending almost as much energy as is produced. (They have to use huge electro-magnets to contain the reaction, otherwise the reaction burns through its container, or the container cools it too much, whichever.)
Now, He3He3 fusion is interesting...
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if it does work, its free energy almost forever. fuel burning cars dissapear instead you get heavy water cars pollution goes to near 0 from the oil industry etc it woulda be far too good to be true though.
The problem I see with that is an almost instant global economic collapse from the sudden non-value of all fossil fuels. It'd need some very careful planning to avoid an incredibly nasty period of time.
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I wouldn't lose sleep over it. :p
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And Nuke is allowed to be nihilist-fatalist. Look at his username. Now HB, what do you have?
I have an opinion. What's so wrong about that?
(and don't give me some lecture about The Flood or something)
I started to hate Halo after I made haloboy100 my username on HLP.
That was a joke. And no, you're not. Why bother, your opinion is wrong anyways.
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Now its on engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/26/japanese-scientist-claims-breakthrough-with-cold-fusion-experime/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/26/japanese-scientist-claims-breakthrough-with-cold-fusion-experime/)
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At the bottom:
"Via SlashDot"
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I know that, I can read. 'Now ITS on engadget...'
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Oh.
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http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/05/coldfusion_demonstration_a_suc_1.html
According to this there was a successful demonstration.
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...but with some reservations. It'd be great if this really was a success and the beginning of a new power technology....but these things never have worked out in the past. It'd be nice but not holding my breath. It needs to be extensively studied...either it works or can be made to work or doesn't.
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I have to agree with several of the comments on that article: using "it stayed warm for a long time" as the sole criterion for detecting fusion is rather laughable. Where are the particle detectors to pick up the inevitable products of the reactions (which, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion#Criteria_and_candidates_for_terrestrial_reactions), would be either a proton or a neutron for D-D fusion)? Where's the structured explanation for the physical process at work? This is far too much of a hand-wavey argument if these people want to be taken seriously.
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It would be the end of the energy industry as we know it.. the same industry that raked in record profits last year.
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Hmm, it stayed warm for a long time... takes a while to perfect that to power something, now, doesn't it?
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The problem I see with that is an almost instant global economic collapse from the sudden non-value of all fossil fuels. It'd need some very careful planning to avoid an incredibly nasty period of time.
No it wouldn't. It would take years from the successful development of a laboaratory prototype to a practically applicable power plant of car engine, even longer for it to become available to the general public and then even longer for the entire worlds internal combustion "fleet" (Everything from scooters to busses to cranes to generators to diesel submarines to coal and gas power plants to lawnmowers and a million other things) to cycle out to the new fuel. It would be a long, slow, drawn out process, not an instant global collapse.