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Title: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 26, 2008, 02:49:01 pm
I wonder whetever there is a variant of the SI Hara around which has turrets...
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Galemp on May 26, 2008, 07:01:56 pm
Hara? I don't remember that. Didja try FreespaceMods?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 26, 2008, 07:06:00 pm
From INFR1.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Snail on May 27, 2008, 02:23:05 pm
Big thing where each poly is like the size of a Sath. But cool looking from far away. Very cool looking. :cool:
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: starlord on May 28, 2008, 02:16:29 am
any screenies of this one?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 01:08:31 pm
Techroom.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 28, 2008, 01:36:29 pm
It's a BIG thing and BIG things shouldn't have turrets, right?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 28, 2008, 01:38:13 pm
Quote from: Mobius on May 28, 2008, 01:36:29 pm
It's a BIG thing and BIG things shouldn't have turrets, right?

What is a big thing without BIG TURRETZ(tm) ?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 28, 2008, 01:44:00 pm
I know that very big models shouldn't have turrets amd the Hara is one such model.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 28, 2008, 04:05:20 pm
Quote from: Mobius on May 28, 2008, 01:44:00 pm
I know that very big models shouldn't have turrets amd the Hara is one such model.

could you please enlighten me and tell me why?
I know models of nearly equal size which have turrets
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 28, 2008, 04:10:51 pm
I don't know, I'm not a modeller...I think it was Snail to told me that when discussing INF models about two years ago.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
He's not either!

And the Hara is a civvy installation (or as civvy as you get with Shivans), and is meant to be guarded and/or rear-lines.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 29, 2008, 12:46:03 pm
It's deep in Shivan space, there's no need to guard it.
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Post by: starlord on May 29, 2008, 12:51:00 pm
Is it THE central shivan brain? Would be good to destroy it one day! ;7
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 29, 2008, 01:40:52 pm
I believe the Gargant is the brain. (or one of them)
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 29, 2008, 01:51:29 pm
We simply don't know. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 29, 2008, 10:30:04 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
And the Hara is a civvy installation (or as civvy as you get with Shivans), and is meant to be guarded and/or rear-lines.

Just say I've got different things in mind for it
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: DarthWang on May 29, 2008, 10:33:19 pm
How big is this thing, anyway?

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Post by: Hades on May 29, 2008, 10:34:05 pm
Quote from: 0rph3u5 on May 29, 2008, 10:30:04 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
And the Hara is a civvy installation (or as civvy as you get with Shivans), and is meant to be guarded and/or rear-lines.

Just say I've got different things in mind for it

Just as long as I get to blow it up.  :D
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on May 29, 2008, 10:50:37 pm
Quote from: Hades on May 29, 2008, 10:34:05 pm
Just as long as I get to blow it up.  :D

     As fun as that sounds, it really isn't.
     I was at one time considering using the Hara for my campaign and just for fun I threw it in a mission and shift-Killed it a bunch of times (until the HP hit zero). Then I proceeded to watch it blow up for like, 10 minutes, on 8x speed . . it just kept exploding and exploding and exploding and exploding forever and ever. Finally I thought, screw this and just ended the mission.

     Very unsatisfying.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: starlord on May 30, 2008, 02:01:11 am
Well, if it's only this, I recon you can speed up the minor explosion timing, like that vasudan cruiser supposed to ram the bastion in FS1 (or was it the galatea?).
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Hellstryker on May 30, 2008, 03:45:16 am
Quote from: 0rph3u5 on May 29, 2008, 10:30:04 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
And the Hara is a civvy installation (or as civvy as you get with Shivans), and is meant to be guarded and/or rear-lines.

Just say I've got different things in mind for it


Differant things...? Is this going to be for TotT?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: starlord on May 30, 2008, 05:13:03 am
What's TotT?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Titan on May 30, 2008, 06:55:10 am
Teeth of the Tiger, a mod-in-progress that includes a 4th race. look for it's subforum on the fsmods forums.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Snail on May 30, 2008, 08:00:01 am
Quote from: DarthWang on May 29, 2008, 10:33:19 pm
How big is this thing, anyway?
38671*34635*42820
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 30, 2008, 08:16:04 am
Such sizes makes ships behave strange. Usually when they're trying to broadside each other they're shaking like crazy. So it's more like a baseball bat now- 20+km ship trying to hit a 20m ship at a very high speed. And you can't do anything about it.

Also, I had the proto-Gigas and InfR1-Gigas fighting each other. Who won ? Noone. Because after the normal Gigas blew up the proto-Gigas, they still kept firing onto each other while having dozens of explosions. And while the debris was drifting apart, the game hasn't yet considered the ship dead, so the already-dead-proto-Gigas kept firing beam cannons and etc. out of NOTHING in empty space. It blew up the other Gigas too.

Yea... Inferno broke the record of 'Weird Ship Behavior in FS2'.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Snail on May 30, 2008, 08:17:12 am
Which is why we don't use ai-chase. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: starlord on May 30, 2008, 08:45:14 am
My my, that's interesting: and appearantly there's also a bosch theory. I couldn't have dreamt for more.

I hope I'll see the hara destroyed in there (along with the shivans, once and for all!!!). ;7
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: colecampbell666 on May 30, 2008, 08:47:41 am
That's the one outstanding issue in R1. The retardedly long explosion times.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 30, 2008, 08:55:17 am
It depends on ship size. he bigger it is- the more explosions it has.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 30, 2008, 08:56:50 am
Quote from: Hellstryker on May 30, 2008, 03:45:16 am
Quote from: 0rph3u5 on May 29, 2008, 10:30:04 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
And the Hara is a civvy installation (or as civvy as you get with Shivans), and is meant to be guarded and/or rear-lines.

Just say I've got different things in mind for it


Differant things...? Is this going to be for TotT?

No....
it is gonna be in "7 days" and in "Workings of the Warp"
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Hellstryker on May 30, 2008, 08:59:14 am
Quote from: 0rph3u5 on May 30, 2008, 08:56:50 am
Quote from: Hellstryker on May 30, 2008, 03:45:16 am
Quote from: 0rph3u5 on May 29, 2008, 10:30:04 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on May 28, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
And the Hara is a civvy installation (or as civvy as you get with Shivans), and is meant to be guarded and/or rear-lines.

Just say I've got different things in mind for it


Differant things...? Is this going to be for TotT?

No....
it is gonna be in "7 days" and in "Workings of the Warp"


To hell with it... Time to make a high poly Hara... :P
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 30, 2008, 09:09:40 am
Back On Topic(tm) please

all I need is turret for sufficient cover of the upper part of the station with LR Flaks and LReds

EDIT: cannot do that with SSGs for the following reason:
Spoiler:
It would kill the 100 objects limit for the mission
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: DarthWang on May 30, 2008, 03:23:10 pm
Quote from: Snail on May 30, 2008, 08:00:01 am
Quote from: DarthWang on May 29, 2008, 10:33:19 pm
How big is this thing, anyway?
38671*34635*42820

Meters?

Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 30, 2008, 03:25:23 pm
No. Kilometers. Of course meters! What else it can be?
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 30, 2008, 03:41:09 pm
Quote from: ShadowGorrath on May 30, 2008, 08:16:04 am
Such sizes makes ships behave strange. Usually when they're trying to broadside each other they're shaking like crazy. So it's more like a baseball bat now- 20+km ship trying to hit a 20m ship at a very high speed. And you can't do anything about it.

Also, I had the proto-Gigas and InfR1-Gigas fighting each other. Who won ? Noone. Because after the normal Gigas blew up the proto-Gigas, they still kept firing onto each other while having dozens of explosions. And while the debris was drifting apart, the game hasn't yet considered the ship dead, so the already-dead-proto-Gigas kept firing beam cannons and etc. out of NOTHING in empty space. It blew up the other Gigas too.

Yea... Inferno broke the record of 'Weird Ship Behavior in FS2'.

Meh, for you...that's only a test.

A true FREDder would deactivate the beams of the loser ship with a proper event... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Snail on May 30, 2008, 03:43:24 pm
And we wouldn't be so stupid to make things use ai-chase. Even destroyers look dumb using ai-chase (when they get hit by beams they wobble like jelly).
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: ShadowGorrath on May 30, 2008, 03:49:14 pm
Whatever. It was just a test of the proto gigas, which apart from the textures, looks kinda good.
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: Mobius on May 30, 2008, 04:38:45 pm
Quote from: ShadowGorrath on May 30, 2008, 03:25:23 pm
No. Kilometers. Of course meters! What else it can be?

Rocco Siffredi's Horses. :lol:

Quote from: Snail on May 30, 2008, 03:43:24 pm
And we wouldn't be so stupid to make things use ai-chase. Even destroyers look dumb using ai-chase (when they get hit by beams they wobble like jelly).

They should be immobile or following a proper path. Ai-chase is stupid in most case, except for certain cruisers in certain situations...
Title: Re: SI Hara with turrets?
Post by: 0rph3u5 on May 31, 2008, 03:29:32 am
Quote from: 0rph3u5 on May 30, 2008, 09:09:40 am
Back On Topic(tm) please
!!!

so I guess there is no SI Hara with turrets.... hmmm....