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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on May 27, 2008, 03:00:05 am
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-south-america_wor_24may24,0,2025121.story
Maybe there's something to the conspiracy theories surrounding this after all............
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I was waiting for it.
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South ... American Union ? That sounds familiar. Why....
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I think it's a great idea. :yes:
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Its the trend. It started with NAFTA in North America and the formation of the European Union in Europe. Now there is a loose African Union and now...not surprisingly a South American Union. The planet is being slowly built up into very large regional blocks with some degree of affiliation.
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Apparently planning is already underway for superhighways from Mexico through Texas and up into Canada in preparation for the North American Union. I wouldn't be surprised to see a globalized government by 2020 if this is indeed the pace at which this is going.
For the conspiracy-theory interested folk in the crowd, I recommend looking into the Bilderberg Group, they're supposedly behind all of this globalization.
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I just wonder when they will get around to the North American Union and introduce the Amero.
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Apparently planning is already underway for superhighways from Mexico through Texas and up into Canada in preparation for the North American Union. I wouldn't be surprised to see a globalized government by 2020 if this is indeed the pace at which this is going.
For the conspiracy-theory interested folk in the crowd, I recommend looking into the Bilderberg Group, they're supposedly behind all of this globalization.
I must be getting old because I think any further integration will be disastrous for Canada. We have health care, slightly more sensible parliamentary government, haven't dug ourselves into a hole on borrowed credit, and one of the best electoral systems in the world (despite its flaws). I'm so moving if the US, Mexico, and Canada ever join :)
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I just wonder when they will get around to the North American Union and introduce the Amero.
My dad had an Amero I think.
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Unasur - Thats the name of the group correct?
It makes me think of dino for some reason :D
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I can't wait for the NAU.
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NAP from StarSiege. The North American Protectorate. That would be cool.
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... StarSiege ...
Down came the Glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
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Little lord peter was mourning his leader, while Hercy played in the red. . .then as above. :yes:
So will this South American Union join the UN as the union or will its countries still represent individually?
Or am i thinking too far ahead. . . Again. :)
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I never caught the start of the rhyme. She always kinda mumbled it ...
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No worries :) I could be wrong about "mourning" but the rest is spot on.
How long does anyone think it'll be before a globally centralised governing body is implemented?
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5 bucks says its 2015.
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Apparently planning is already underway for superhighways from Mexico through Texas and up into Canada in preparation for the North American Union. I wouldn't be surprised to see a globalized government by 2020 if this is indeed the pace at which this is going.
For the conspiracy-theory interested folk in the crowd, I recommend looking into the Bilderberg Group, they're supposedly behind all of this globalization.
I must be getting old because I think any further integration will be disastrous for Canada. We have health care, slightly more sensible parliamentary government, haven't dug ourselves into a hole on borrowed credit, and one of the best electoral systems in the world (despite its flaws). I'm so moving if the US, Mexico, and Canada ever join :)
Not going to happen anytime soon. We'll probably see integrated defense and definite strides toward integrated border security in the next couple decades. We might even see a common currency. However, you aren't going to see the same sort of political union in North America that has cropped up in Europe. You have three nations that are extremely different politically and socially. Europe, in contrast, had become remarkably similar (and let's not forget that the EU took 50 years following a major world war to assemble; the idea to link Europe's economies had been tried and failed once before that).
Ultimately, the conspiracy nuts are exactly that - nuts. The SPP, which they target as a sign of the apocalypse quite regularly, is an attempt to bring widely different strategies for control over border security and immigration into some kind of standard - a good step in the right direction, because it moderates out the bad policies. As for the "Amero" - hell will freeze (or the markets will fail entirely) before the US gives up its dollar. Canadian business relies on a separate fluctuating currency for trade with the US, so we won't be giving ours up anytime soon either - not, at least, without a major overhaul of NAFTA. Mexico wouldn't gain much from an integrated currency either - tourism would flop as prices came into line. Mexico is a tourist destination because its cheap. Lose the economic advantage and people will go elsewhere.
Truth be told, given a major overhaul of NAFTA an integrated currency across the three countries would be a brilliant move in the long run (particularly for the USA) because their President would no longer be able to hammer it through foreign policy. That, and it could compete directly with the Euro. Right now the bet is on what's going to become the predominant trading currency to replace the US Dollar worldwide, and smart money is on China or Europe. Personally, I'd bet on the Euro given the geopolitical stability of the region. An integrated dollar in North America could change that.
The problem with conspiracy theories is they assume there's some master planner behind it all, and they totally ignore the forces of social change (ironic, considering most conspiracy-theories are born out of 1960s and 1970s era ideology which was founded on social change). Business interests aside, the populaces of the three North American countries are not prepared for the kind of integration the conspiracy folks are predicting, nor is the social infrastructure. And until you can begin altering those forces, you don't have a hope in hell of a meaningful political change.
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5 bucks says its 2015.
I'd take that bet.
Recall the UN? Recall how badly it failed in global governance? So badly in fact, that two other organizations (NATO and the Warsaw Pact) were born out of it?
Competing ideologies the world over will prevent any centralized global government from ever being effective. Even with the advance of globalizatin, ideological competition is fiercer than ever (some, myself included, may argue that its because of globalization). Centralized global government just isn't feasible - unless it is obscured from the masses and involves covert political control of nations as the conspiracy types would have you believe. However, if you believe that I'd like to point out just how many government agencies can't get along to begin with - do you really think anyone or any organization could covertly control ALL of them?
Conspiracy theories are best when used for entertainment purposes only. Speaking of which, I hope DX3 is a return to the type of storytelling that DX1 used.
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I bought my DX1 for 10 bucks and still havn't removed the plastic covering.
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Europe, in contrast, had become remarkably similar (and let's not forget that the EU took 50 years following a major world war to assemble; the idea to link Europe's economies had been tried and failed once before that).
That was for several reasons:
1.) Europe was effectively flattened after WW2
2.) Europe was divided for 50 years
3.) European nations themselves have a very long history of mistrust, xenophobia, and almost constant warfare with eachother, you don't have that as much in North America.
I personally think the EU was more of a testbed for future integration projects.
smart money is on China or Europe. Personally, I'd bet on the Euro given the geopolitical stability of the region.
I would bet both. Europe does have stability, but it doesn't have as much potential growth.
As for the "Amero" - hell will freeze (or the markets will fail entirely) before the US gives up its dollar.
Yeah, something like that. The dollar would have to become effectively worthless through major inflation. I wouldn't discount that not happening yet, to some degree it has started.
Recall the UN? Recall how badly it failed in global governance?
The UN is hardly a global government.
The EU nations will be forced to integrate more in the future because of necessity: As China, India and the rest of the world become richer, the lone voices of the European nations become increasingly crowded out.
My guess for real global governance: 50-100 years.