Hard Light Productions Forums
Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: DeepSpace9er on May 28, 2008, 12:42:39 am
-
Im sure you have all heard of this controversial film. If you havent, its something i recently discovered. Dont believe anything the film tells you. Seriously, do you own research into it. It will be much more confirming when you find it out for yourself.
Its 2:02 long. VERY long.. but ive watched it 3 times already.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm)
-
For a conspiracy theory it's got to be the grandest of them all and in my opinion it's extremely well made. Definitely agree to follow up with your own research after watching it, regardless of whether or not you believe anything in the film. It's an eye-opener for sure.
-
god damn it ive been saying this **** for years
-
Isn't this the film that was pretty much summarily disproved in its entirety on multiple occasions?
-
i really dont care who controls everything so long as i can blow it all up
-
god damn it ive been saying this **** for years
qft
-
For a conspiracy theory it's got to be the grandest of them all and in my opinion it's extremely well made. Definitely agree to follow up with your own research after watching it, regardless of whether or not you believe anything in the film. It's an eye-opener for sure.
I still think the Lunar Landing and Flat Earth conspiracy theories are the grandest, but this one seems to be the most probable. It ties in events and institutions used to control the population at large as part of an organized movement. The Illuminati are at work behind the scenes...
-
Isn't this the film that was pretty much summarily disproved in its entirety on multiple occasions?
Pretty much, yeah.
I think most of the sources it uses are questionable at best.
-
its a damn fine piece of editing work though, anyone whose had a couple of beers could almost believe it :D
-
I dont entirely agree with its reasoning for reaching the conclusion it did, but I do agree with the conclusion: they want a one world government with microchips implanted and a totalitarian police state (read Libria)
-
This movie really made me think and as far as I can discern, the information in part I is mostly accurate. I still cannot buy into the 9/11 conspiracy part. I just dont want to believe it for the sake of my faith in humanity. Part III seems to be well researched but as always, be weary of teh internetz.
-
Why exactly are we giving a **** about these theories? What good could come out of it all?
-
Wow, it's amazing -- and creepy -- how convincing this stuff seems when you're actually watching the film.
I had to step back and remind myself it was paranoia.
-
the people who made the film were artists not critical thinkers and definitely hard right
one of the things that totally sticks out in my mind as wrong with the wtc part was the pools of liquid metal, they said jet fuel couldn't burn hot enough to melt it. surely the energy stored in the building being released within a few seconds would have resulted in such heat. also you have convection, burning in an enclosed space would have slowed the rate of heat dissipation and with sucking in oxygen from lower levels would have turned the building core into a furnace. those people werent jumping because they thought they had a chance for survival, they jumped because they didn't want to catch on fire and burn to death.
as for the white powder, concrete dust. get yourself a 10 pound sledge and a couple concrete blocks, smash em to bits and try not to get the same kind of dust.
-
That still doesnt explain WTC 7. The fires visible from that building were minimal at best, it didnt get hit by a plane or anything, yet when it fell, it looked like the core was blown out to accomplish it.
-
Buildings are by nature meant to contain things; it's quite possible to have something burning and not be able to tell from the outside.
-
You know thats the first 52 story steel and reinforced concrete building to fall because of fire?
-
You know thats the first 52 story steel and reinforced concrete building to fall because of fire?
How do you know it wasn't damaged by debris from the other towers?
-
tower 7 is interesting, id like to know how it collapsed. is it possible that the shock from 1&2 going down crippled its main supports? i bet if all the buildings had a shared subterranian parking complex, the collapse of towers 1 and 2 would have produced a pressure wave through the confined space of the subterranean complex, and since its not unusual for major support columbs to go through parking areas, there would have essentially been hit with a 2 wave blast force, along with flying debris could have weakened those supports. if the subterranean complex was not connected however then im at a loss as to what would have caused tower 7's collapse. possibly seismic turbulence?
-
You know thats the first 52 story steel and reinforced concrete building to fall because of fire?
First time for everything.
-
tower 7 is interesting, id like to know how it collapsed. is it possible that the shock from 1&2 going down crippled its main supports? i bet if all the buildings had a shared subterranian parking complex, the collapse of towers 1 and 2 would have produced a pressure wave through the confined space of the subterranean complex, and since its not unusual for major support columbs to go through parking areas, there would have essentially been hit with a 2 wave blast force, along with flying debris could have weakened those supports. if the subterranean complex was not connected however then im at a loss as to what would have caused tower 7's collapse. possibly seismic turbulence?
That would be a good theory except that 7 was at least a block away from 1&2 and not directly either. There are also a half dozen other skyscrapers surrounding the WTC site that are still to this day standing and now occupied.
-
tower 7 is interesting, id like to know how it collapsed. is it possible that the shock from 1&2 going down crippled its main supports? i bet if all the buildings had a shared subterranian parking complex, the collapse of towers 1 and 2 would have produced a pressure wave through the confined space of the subterranean complex, and since its not unusual for major support columbs to go through parking areas, there would have essentially been hit with a 2 wave blast force, along with flying debris could have weakened those supports. if the subterranean complex was not connected however then im at a loss as to what would have caused tower 7's collapse. possibly seismic turbulence?
Reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse) is fun (http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm).
-
no its not, reading usually causes my theories to be false :D
-
Fun for us, then. :p
-
tower 7 is interesting, id like to know how it collapsed. is it possible that the shock from 1&2 going down crippled its main supports? i bet if all the buildings had a shared subterranian parking complex, the collapse of towers 1 and 2 would have produced a pressure wave through the confined space of the subterranean complex, and since its not unusual for major support columbs to go through parking areas, there would have essentially been hit with a 2 wave blast force, along with flying debris could have weakened those supports. if the subterranean complex was not connected however then im at a loss as to what would have caused tower 7's collapse. possibly seismic turbulence?
That would be a good theory except that 7 was at least a block away from 1&2 and not directly either. There are also a half dozen other skyscrapers surrounding the WTC site that are still to this day standing and now occupied.
Never blame on conspiracy theories what can simply be explained by extreme incompetence and negligence.
-
tower 7 is interesting, id like to know how it collapsed. is it possible that the shock from 1&2 going down crippled its main supports? i bet if all the buildings had a shared subterranian parking complex, the collapse of towers 1 and 2 would have produced a pressure wave through the confined space of the subterranean complex, and since its not unusual for major support columbs to go through parking areas, there would have essentially been hit with a 2 wave blast force, along with flying debris could have weakened those supports. if the subterranean complex was not connected however then im at a loss as to what would have caused tower 7's collapse. possibly seismic turbulence?
Pretty much nailed it on the head there. When the two towers went down. It really made some of the nearby buildings unstable as well and fell too.
-
(http://911review.org/Storage/Http/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/fig-5-17.jpg)
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/av.caesar/wtc/wtc7_2.jpg)
That is the south and west face of WTC 7, the ones never shown on conspiracy supporting websites (guess why). next theory please.
-
Sometimes people believe stuff to the point of where they know their wrong, but they continue to delude themselves because the nontruth is so much more delectable.
-
The idea that the government staged the attacks is entirely unnecessary to support the theory of the manufactured casus belli. Our government simply had full knowledge that the attacks were going to take place, and willfully allowed them to happen. It's a lot easier to believe from a practical standpoint, since it's a scenario in which the government essentially outsources its dirty work, but it still more than adequately fits the pattern of theatrical incidents designed to drum up popular support for war.
-
Or they knew about the risk but ignored it (CIA:'Islamic freaks could hijack planes and do kamikaze strikes',
CONgress: 'good joke').
-
Conspiracy theories as a phenomenon are a carefully constructed series of facts presented in a very specific context in order to artificially create links which otherwise do not exist.
In general, they're a great deal of fun but pretty much all of them are so filled with holes merely by the inroduction of a single intentionally neglected fact that they usually collapse under any sort of critical analysis.
The single world government plus microchips nonsense is being propagated by a few prominent loons right now... my question, as always, is twofold:
1. How the hell can anyone seriously believe a government with its myriad of departments, agencies, and commitees which all work against each other with semi-religious fervour is capable of masterminding a single, cohesive grand plan, and
2. WHY?
Mostly the question no one can even begin to answer adequately is number two. If we accept conspiracy theories as a realistic interpretation of events and human ambition we also must conclude we are dealing with an extremely intelligent group of individuals. So why would any such group, fully aware of human history, even bother?
Again, additional facts = holes.
Anyone with a firing set of critical thinking neurons in their skull can pretty quickl;y conclude its paranoid nonsense.
-
*Snip*
The single world government plus microchips nonsense is being propagated by a few prominent loons right now... my question, as always, is twofold:
1. How the hell can anyone seriously believe a government with its myriad of departments, agencies, and commitees which all work against each other with semi-religious fervour is capable of masterminding a single, cohesive grand plan, and
2. WHY?
Mostly the question no one can even begin to answer adequately is number two. If we accept conspiracy theories as a realistic interpretation of events and human ambition we also must conclude we are dealing with an extremely intelligent group of individuals. So why would any such group, fully aware of human history, even bother?
Again, additional facts = holes.
Anyone with a firing set of critical thinking neurons in their skull can pretty quickl;y conclude its paranoid nonsense.
Actually number two is easy, to control the masses, to keep power from those that would take it.
-
Actually number two is easy, to control the masses, to keep power from those that would take it.
Why bother? Why expend all that money, time, and stress to even consider it? Where's the motivation?
That's what I'm referring to as the why.
-
Or they knew about the risk but ignored it (CIA:'Islamic freaks could hijack planes and do kamikaze strikes',
Bu$h: 'good joke').
f1x0r3d
-
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/Misc-Pics/buzzaldrin.gif)
-
(http://www.debunking911.com/conspiracy.jpg)
http://www.debunking911.com/meeting.htm <- how it really looked like.
-
I've really never understood 9/11 conspiracy theorists. People who think that the moon landing were faked are fooling themselves but when it comes down to it you have a bunch of people saying something that sounds scientific on one side and a bunch of actual scientists debunking them on the other. So I can understand why someone might delude themselves into believing the landings never happened.
9/11 conspiracies on the other hand are nothing short of idiocy. Even if you can buy the bull**** science there are other problems that simply don't make sense. What happened to the people on those flights? Why use a missile on the pentagon? There's just too much that defies common sense and doesn't require any specialist knowledge to look suspicious.