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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hellstryker on May 31, 2008, 05:00:05 am
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Are lagging my comp, and AVG can't seem to do **** about the downloading which I can't quite seem to locate.. it deletes them every 10 minutes or so, but i'm sure it's missing some, seems as how my version is a bit out of date... any ideas on what I can do?
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update it then...
get hijackthis create a log and post it here
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Buy a better brand of condom.
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Buy a better brand of condom.
Tee-hee.
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Buy a better brand of condom.
:wtf:
Update it. AVG Free is now version 8.0
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Buy a better brand of condom.
:wtf:
Update it. AVG Free is now version 8.0
8.0 is free? :snipe:
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It is now.
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If you don't have an infection that prevents you from installing another AV program, I would try avast! Fully update it, then run a boot time scan. It will preempt the loading of any and all programs (including most of the OS), allowing you to detect the malware before it can stealth itself. That should enable you to clean out all of the stuff.
Couple of things though: The boot time scan won't work under 64 bit OSes, so if you have one, this won't work for you. Also, if you start detecting system files that are infected, leave them alone, stop the scan, and start backing stuff up. The only effective way to treat it now is a reformat. And if you detect a rootkit, God help you.
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Buy a better brand of condom.
Strangely I had the same thought :)
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If you don't have an infection that prevents you from installing another AV program, I would try avast! Fully update it, then run a boot time scan. It will preempt the loading of any and all programs (including most of the OS), allowing you to detect the malware before it can stealth itself. That should enable you to clean out all of the stuff.
Couple of things though: The boot time scan won't work under 64 bit OSes, so if you have one, this won't work for you. Also, if you start detecting system files that are infected, leave them alone, stop the scan, and start backing stuff up. The only effective way to treat it now is a reformat. And if you detect a rootkit, God help you.
From what i've heard, Avast is quite ****ty... no offense, but in this sort of situation I tend to listen to the majority :blah:
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From what i've heard, Avast is quite ****ty... no offense, but in this sort of situation I tend to listen to the majority :blah:
I've had avast! pull things off my system that both Norton and Panda Platinum have missed. Where did you come across that claim? :wtf:
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From what i've heard, Avast is quite ****ty... no offense, but in this sort of situation I tend to listen to the majority :blah:
I've had avast! pull things off my system that both Norton and Panda Platinum have missed. Where did you come across that claim? :wtf:
I hope you realize you just compared it to two of the worst AVs around...
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I hope you realize you just compared it to two of the worst AVs around...
Yes, I know. But you still haven't answered my prior question.
EDIT: I fix people's machines as a side job. I stated those two programs, because they are the ones that people tend to swear by. When they see it sweep out things that Norton, Panda, and McAfee missed, they tend to take notice. Plus, I've spoken with a professional tech and he agrees with me that avast! is a very effective program...I'm just curious as to where your differing opinion comes from.
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I hope you realize you just compared it to two of the worst AVs around...
Yes, I know. But you still haven't answered my prior question.
EDIT: I fix people's machines as a side job. I stated those two programs, because they are the ones that people tend to swear by. When they see it sweep out things that Norton, Panda, and McAfee missed, they tend to take notice. Plus, I've spoken with a professional tech and he agrees with me that avast! is a very effective program...I'm just curious as to where your differing opinion comes from.
Most of the more respected people on HLP?
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I used to have a multi layered AV. AVG and avast! and one other freebie av.
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I finally fixed my problem... the trojan downloader was hiding in my system restore so AVG couldn't delete it... :rolleyes:
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Personally I prefer avast! over any other AV out there, including AVG.
I used to have a multi layered AV. AVG and avast! and one other freebie av.
Do you know that having multiple AV's installed at the same time more than likely leads to conflicts where none of the AV's are able to function properly? Only use one AV at any given time.
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It is now.
Doesn't the email scanner work for 30days then stop functioning?
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I finally fixed my problem... the trojan downloader was hiding in my system restore so AVG couldn't delete it... :rolleyes:
Every anti-virus I've ever used to try to remove anything from someones computer always has turn off system restore as the first instruction. I don't think any of them can delete stuff from there if it's on. Seems like everything can get in there easy enough though.
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if nothing else works you can always use combofix, (asumes your using the evil overlords operating system)
heres a bit of info about combofix........................;
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/combofix/how-to-use-combofix (http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/combofix/how-to-use-combofix)
prays for your infected soul
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Try NOD32. Destroys any trojan. At least to me.
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Doesn't the email scanner work for 30days then stop functioning?
Does it ? I never noticed.
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Do you know that having multiple AV's installed at the same time more than likely leads to conflicts where none of the AV's are able to function properly? Only use one AV at any given time.
That's not always the case. Most AV's encrypt their sig files so you don't get false positives on them. (That's what usually causes the conflict.) However, if you scan with two AV's at the same time, then chances are they will pick each other up, as stepping through the file system looking for certain things (i.e.: malware) is something that malware also does. Rule of thumb: You can usually have two AV's on your system at the same time, just make sure only one is running.
Doesn't the email scanner work for 30days then stop functioning?
Avast's email scanner doesn't expire. I think you're thinking of the Script Blocker. That is only available with the Pro version.
Try NOD32. Destroys any trojan. At least to me.
NOD32 is amazing. It's also a little expensive. It's written entirely in assembly language, so it's memory footprint is way smaller than anything else out there. Plus, it sits very close to the hardware level, so it's blazingly fast, with a minimal drain on system resources.
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I finally fixed my problem... the trojan downloader was hiding in my system restore so AVG couldn't delete it... :rolleyes:
Just incase anyone doesn't know, one of the ways to fix that is to temporarily turn off System Restore, run your AV through again, then turn it back on.
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I finally fixed my problem... the trojan downloader was hiding in my system restore so AVG couldn't delete it... :rolleyes:
Just incase anyone doesn't know, one of the ways to fix that is to temporarily turn off System Restore, run your AV through again, then turn it back on.
Hmmm. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
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Having multiple AV's is mighty excessive. Sort of like how having multiple popup blockers is excessive. One popup blocker is just as effective as multiple popup blockers (the other blockers end up not doing ****). When you have multiple AV's, it's only going to be as good as the single best AV program you have active at the same time as your other AV's. This is also sort of like how multiple software firewalls is retarded also.
Get avast. Idk who the **** told it was bad. But, it's really good. Cleans customers machines out every time. Plus avast is free, make sure to register for it (registration is free). When registered you 14 months of usage before you need to get another free registration.
The other thing is get a damn good firewall. Many think that having only AV or only a firewall makes them home free. That's a farce. Get avast antivirus and comodo firewall, or zonealarm (comodo's a lot better, zonealarm and comodo are free).
The other thing is you can't always pay attention to majority. Like i said and other people here have been saying, we don't know where the hell you heard avast was bad. It's the best in my book. Also listening to majority means you can be listening to a majority of stupid computer users such as the people who retardedly layer up on popup blockers.
The other thing is that you need to become a better computer user. If you can't keep your own system clean, and can't figure out how to keep it clean. Then why would people want to bring their computers to you to fix?
It's not hard to keep a windows machine a clean machine. Get one good AV (like avast), get one good firewall (don't use windows firewall), don't use email client software (check your mail every time from a web browser email interface), get extra snippy about what the hell gets installed on your computer (you don't want to accidentally get a virus on your computer from like say a friend who burned a cd for you), and don't mindlessly carouse the net (many people go everywhere on the net and don't give a second thought about it even when they get viruses...questionable websites can put trojans and **** on your computer...questionable websites such as certain porn links and serial key/cracking search engines among other sites). And of course keep your **** updated. Latest service pack, updated firewall and AV (avast does that automatically).
Same for mac users.
Avast is very good, that boot time scan is very powerful from what people have already said, also avast updates itself automatically, and avast is just awesome at picking up dirty stuff as soon as the moment it gets on your computer. If you install avast (which you really should do), turn off the skins, those really make the avast interface difficult to figure out as opposed to without the skins which is what makes the difference.
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Every anti-virus I've ever used to try to remove anything from someones computer always has turn off system restore as the first instruction. I don't think any of them can delete stuff from there if it's on.
Maybe because system restore is a popular hiding place for viruses, frankly it should never be turned on to begin with.
Best AV software I've used is Kaspersky.
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.. How do you turn off system restore in XP ?
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Right click on my computer, got to properties, then to the system restore tab.
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Hmmm it also seems AVG 8 has gotten bloated big time :blah:
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[Most AV's encrypt their sig files so you don't get false positives on them. (That's what usually causes the conflict.) However, if you scan with two AV's at the same time, then chances are they will pick each other up, as stepping through the file system looking for certain things (i.e.: malware) is something that malware also does. Rule of thumb: You can usually have two AV's on your system at the same time, just make sure only one is running.
Yeah, if you have multiple AV's installed, only one should have real-time scanners enabled. Unfortunately the usual punter won't know the difference and has everything enabled just to be on the safe side. The thing is though, how certain you can be there won't be any conflicts even if you disable real-time scanners? Very little. So when you get infected, multiple AV's may work against you anyway because they aren't working properly due to conflicts.
avast's developers are working on their own firewall by the way. I really hope their firewall will be very competitive just like their AV is.
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Every anti-virus I've ever used to try to remove anything from someones computer always has turn off system restore as the first instruction. I don't think any of them can delete stuff from there if it's on.
Maybe because system restore is a popular hiding place for viruses, frankly it should never be turned on to begin with.
Best AV software I've used is Kaspersky.
Kaspersky is damn good but it uses a rather large amount of memory...
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I told you people- NOD32 . If you can't afford it, then use a torrent. But make sure that the company doesn't bankrupt from that.
Warez is not allowed here.
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I told you people- NOD32 . If you can't afford it, then use a torrent. But make sure that the company doesn't bankrupt from that.
If you find one that works, feel free to PM me. :doubt:
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Personally I prefer avast! over any other AV out there, including AVG.
Seconded. In terms of efficiency, it's superior to AVG, Norton, and MacAffee. Combined with a router with NAT and the Windows firewall (the only time a more complicated one is needed with NAT is if you want to control outbound traffic by software application) you can't go wrong.
Don't know who's been saying Avast! is crap, but I'd love to hear why. I've tried nearly every mainstream AV solution out there at some point or another but Avast is the one I actually use now.
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With AVG, or at least the previous version, the automatic updates were a bit so-and-so and usually updating recquired user input at least once a day. Antivir spills out advertisements during updates, which is a bit annoying. Tolerable, but annoying. Avast! is fun because the automatic updates actually work. It doesn't advertise itself all the time. There are localisations (easier for the parents with not-so-great foreign language skills), and the only nuisance is the need to reregister every 14 months.
Dunno about the differences between virus detections of each software, but in terms of other variables, avast! takes the first place. Coupled with Comodo Firewall 3, I feel constantly safe when using my rig and scouring the Interwebs.
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Dunno about the differences between virus detections of each software, but in terms of other variables, avast! takes the first place. Coupled with Comodo Firewall 3, I feel constantly safe when using my rig and scouring the Interwebs.
That's all a human being needs :yes: No multiple AV's, you only need one. Multiple AV's will only be as strong as the best one you have installed and running along with the others (having avast, avg, and mcafee, avast is going to take precedence over the other ones in the list if they're running at the same time, that's because avast rocks).
Anyway, very good setup of AV and firewall you have there :yes:
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Anyway, very good setup of AV and firewall you have there :yes:
Why, thank you. Back when I actually stopped using F-(in)Secure products and switched to Comodo and avast! it was as if a whole new world had opened to me. No more payments on IT security software. No more doubts about whether they'll work today or not. No more wasting half the computer resources to the security software. Ah, bliss.
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When I first attempted to use Comodo firewall v3.0, it had major stability problems on my machine. (CTD on boot 50% of the time.) Judging my the number of complaints they got, I wasn't the only one. As a result, I rolled back to v2.4. But I'm wondering, did they ever fix v3.0? I don't want to go through the hassle of installing it, only to find that it's still broken.
Second, when I wrote about running multiple AVs, I didn't mean that should be done as part of a normal protection scheme. When I clean out other people's machines with avast!, I usually install my tools alongside their existing protection. When I do this, I don't get conflicts because only one is running at once. Then I take my stuff off their machine, unless they want me to upgrade their security to my package. Then I rip off their junk.
Third, for people who are afraid of drive-by downloads on the Internet, I recommend Sandboxie (http://www.sandboxie.com/). If used on your web browser, it prevents the cache from being permanently saved to the hard drive. If you happen to pick up something while on the 'net, just close your browser, terminate sandboxed processes, and empty the box. The infection will be erased. And since nothing is permitted to leave the sandbox, you know that your system is still clean. If you want to download a file, it's downloaded to the sandbox, then you just copy and paste is to its new path once you've used your AV to verify that it's clean. I use it regularly, and saw the amount of malware I was getting drop from about a dozen every six months down to two pieces of generic adware total since I last reformatted my machine a year ago. (I tend to go through "security" sites fairly regularly. Some of them are less than friendly to visitors...)
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When I first attempted to use Comodo firewall v3.0, it had major stability problems on my machine. (CTD on boot 50% of the time.) Judging my the number of complaints they got, I wasn't the only one. As a result, I rolled back to v2.4. But I'm wondering, did they ever fix v3.0? I don't want to go through the hassle of installing it, only to find that it's still broken.
Second, when I wrote about running multiple AVs, I didn't mean that should be done as part of a normal protection scheme. When I clean out other people's machines with avast!, I usually install my tools alongside their existing protection. When I do this, I don't get conflicts because only one is running at once. Then I take my stuff off their machine, unless they want me to upgrade their security to my package. Then I rip off their junk.
Third, for people who are afraid of drive-by downloads on the Internet, I recommend Sandboxie (http://www.sandboxie.com/). If used on your web browser, it prevents the cache from being permanently saved to the hard drive. If you happen to pick up something while on the 'net, just close your browser, terminate sandboxed processes, and empty the box. The infection will be erased. And since nothing is permitted to leave the sandbox, you know that your system is still clean. If you want to download a file, it's downloaded to the sandbox, then you just copy and paste is to its new path once you've used your AV to verify that it's clean. I use it regularly, and saw the amount of malware I was getting drop from about a dozen every six months down to two pieces of generic adware total since I last reformatted my machine a year ago. (I tend to go through "security" sites fairly regularly. Some of them are less than friendly to visitors...)
If you weren't aware, Avast does pretty mucht he same thing as Sandboxie, blocking active infection attempts from sites containing malware. It doesn't block ad-ware and spy-ware of course, but anything really malicious it stops in its tracks.
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Buy a better brand of condom.
Strangely I had the same thought :)
This thread reminds me of a t-shirt I saw: "My Trojans protect Bush."
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With AVG, or at least the previous version, the automatic updates were a bit so-and-so and usually updating recquired user input at least once a day. Antivir spills out advertisements during updates, which is a bit annoying. Tolerable, but annoying. Avast! is fun because the automatic updates actually work. It doesn't advertise itself all the time. There are localisations (easier for the parents with not-so-great foreign language skills), and the only nuisance is the need to reregister every 14 months.
Dunno about the differences between virus detections of each software, but in terms of other variables, avast! takes the first place. Coupled with Comodo Firewall 3, I feel constantly safe when using my rig and scouring the Interwebs.
Umm, k, user something, but not intervention. Try selecting "Do not ask this question again", then selecting "Internet" as the source for the update. :P Ta-da! Auto-updates FTW.
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When I first attempted to use Comodo firewall v3.0, it had major stability problems on my machine. (CTD on boot 50% of the time.) Judging my the number of complaints they got, I wasn't the only one. As a result, I rolled back to v2.4. But I'm wondering, did they ever fix v3.0? I don't want to go through the hassle of installing it, only to find that it's still broken.
Mine clogged itself up when it tried to update itself. So I too switched back to 2.4. Recently, I decided to try 3.0 again, especially since I've heard that 2.4 has a rather serious flaw that hasn't been patched. Ever. 3.0 seems to work just fine right now. Except that I lose my temper with Defense+ and have thus disabled it.
Umm, k, user something, but not intervention. Try selecting "Do not ask this question again", then selecting "Internet" as the source for the update. :P Ta-da! Auto-updates FTW.
:wtf: Are... we talking about the same thing? I was specifically saying that I like avast! because the updates work like they should without any hassle.
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Umm, k, user something, but not intervention. Try selecting "Do not ask this question again", then selecting "Internet" as the source for the update. :P Ta-da! Auto-updates FTW.
:wtf: Are... we talking about the same thing? I was specifically saying that I like avast! because the updates work like they should without any hassle.
Hehe... and I was saying, if you read before you clicked, there wouldn't be any problems. :P AVG asks you "Do you want me to get the update from a File, a Folder, or our Internet Update server? Oh, and click here if you want me to always use whichever option you select." To which you respond, "The Internet, and be sure to ask me the same question next time." xD
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Hmm. Didn't ask me nothin'. And I believe I scoured through all the possible options and settings and the only thing I found was a "scheduler" where you could select a two(?)-hour time period during a day when AVG should attempt to update itself. Meaning that I have to be at home and the rig must be on and online in order for the update to succeed. If it doesn't... life sucks and then you ****in' die.
And that, at least as far as I'm concerned, sucks. I'm not exactly sure of how avast! does things but so far it has managed to update itself. Twice a day even, on some occasions.
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Hmph. I've used 7.5 and 8.0... this must be 6.x or 7.0 you're talking. Either that or AVG gives you special treatment. :D
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Hmph. I've used 7.5 and 8.0... this must be 6.x or 7.0 you're talking. Either that or AVG gives you special treatment. :D
[ralphwiggum]I'm special![/ralphwiggum]
It was last summer/fall. After that I switched to Antivir, and recently, to avast! And I'm quite happy at the moment. Though I assume that AVG is/was quite resource-friendly.
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When was AVG resource friendly? It sure doesn't look minimalist to me.
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Hmm. Didn't ask me nothin'. And I believe I scoured through all the possible options and settings and the only thing I found was a "scheduler" where you could select a two(?)-hour time period during a day when AVG should attempt to update itself. Meaning that I have to be at home and the rig must be on and online in order for the update to succeed. If it doesn't... life sucks and then you ****in' die.
And that, at least as far as I'm concerned, sucks. I'm not exactly sure of how avast! does things but so far it has managed to update itself. Twice a day even, on some occasions.
I don't know why you're having so much trouble...I have AVG installed on my laptop, and every time I connect to a network, it wants to update itself. Although I do notice that the "periodic" option of the new AVG Free is grayed out on my desktop.
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I set my avg to update it self at 12 daily.
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I don't know why you're having so much trouble...I have AVG installed on my laptop, and every time I connect to a network, it wants to update itself. Although I do notice that the "periodic" option of the new AVG Free is grayed out on my desktop.
Neither do I. Luckily, I had trouble with AVG. But not anymore. At the moment I have avast! and I like it, I trust it and I'm not going to remove it unless it really does something that forces me to such acts, hmm.
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Neither do I. Luckily, I had trouble with AVG. But not anymore. At the moment I have avast! and I like it, I trust it and I'm not going to remove it unless it really does something that forces me to such acts, hmm.
Like reinstalling windows?
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When was AVG resource friendly? It sure doesn't look minimalist to me.
It used to be about 2 years ago.
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My AVG works fine. I dunno why you all have so much problems with it.
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Neither do I. Luckily, I had trouble with AVG. But not anymore. At the moment I have avast! and I like it, I trust it and I'm not going to remove it unless it really does something that forces me to such acts, hmm.
Like reinstalling windows?
Either that or the scenario where avast! does something stupid, like removing some important stuff. Which should fortunately be quite unlikely, hmm.
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I can see any AV removing important stuff. As long as it's an important file that's infected, and also that the default handling of infected files is to always delete them instead of cleaning them. Most of the time i can see why people would want the default file handling of AV to just delete all files instead of cleaning them. Cleaning them doesn't always work.
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Default should be Disinfect, then if that fails, Move to Vault. Not all AVs can do that, but that's what it should be. Oh, and AVG 8 runs fine on an old 433 MHz Celeron with 384 MB RAM, and a tweaked XP Pro SP3 install. ;) (Of course the whole thing runs pretty darned sluggish, but there's not that much difference between when the AV is on or off unless you're copying a bunch of files.)
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Default should be Disinfect, then if that fails, Move to Vault. Not all AVs can do that, but that's what it should be. Oh, and AVG 8 runs fine on an old 433 MHz Celeron with 384 MB RAM, and a tweaked XP Pro SP3 install. ;) (Of course the whole thing runs pretty darned sluggish, but there's not that much difference between when the AV is on or off unless you're copying a bunch of files.)
Or playing crysis, lol
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Trust me, the last thing you'll do on that machine is play Crysis... it's waaay too slow. xD I daresay FSOpen would even choke a bit on it.