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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Unknown Target on February 21, 2002, 05:42:17 am
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Just curious, what are the ship classes in between the FS ones?
I think Battleship is between cruiser and destroyer, and Carrier is between Destroyer and, erm, in real life, carrier's as big as you can go, but in FS, it's dreadnought, so, in between Destroyer and Dreadnought is carrier.
Any others?
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
Just curious, what are the ship classes in between the FS ones?
I think Battleship is between cruiser and destroyer, and Carrier is between Destroyer and, erm, in real life, carrier's as big as you can go, but in FS, it's dreadnought, so, in between Destroyer and Dreadnought is carrier.
Any others?
aaaah no!!!! not again!!!
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Freespace uses an altered ship size to class name 'table' compared to real-life navies.
FS
Crusier
Corvette
Destroyer
Jugganoug(arg! Can't spell it)
Real Life
Destroyer
Corvette
Cruiser
Battleship
Or something like this, it's not my field of expertise. I'll happly stand corrected.
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I agree with Tar-Palantir, except I think Corvette comes before Destroyer. Corvettes are basically large patrol boats, if I remember right. Some of them have missiles. I'm not an expert, either..?
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GUNSHIPS!!!1 w00t!!!1
Basically, something between the size of a freighter/cruiser, covered in flak and AAAfs. I reckon we're probably destroyed those 24 Aeolus by now :)
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Real life: (WWII era)
'Vette
Frigate
Destroyer
Cruiser
Battleship
Escort Carriers were roughly cruiser-sized
Fleet Carriers were roughly BB sized.
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I always thought that the frigate came after the destroyer, size wise.
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No, no, no, now way!;)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I reckon we're probably destroyed those 24 Aeolus by now :)
Probably yeah.
I define ship classes in FS like this (biggest to smallest)
Juggernaught
Anything bigger than 4km long.
Carrier
Any warship from 1.5km to 4 km long (or whatever its largest dimension is) that can have more fighters/bombers than 90 times its longest dimension (in km). So a 2.5km ship would need to be able to hold at least 225 fighters (90 *2.5) as standard, to be considered a Carrier.
Destroyer
Any 1.5km to 4km (largest dimension) warship that isn't a Carrier.
Frigate
Any 800m to 1.5km warship, regardless of whether it has a fighterbay or not.
Corvette
Any warship from 500m to 800m without a fighterbay.
Dropship
Any warship from 250m to 800m WITH a fighterbay.
Cruiser
Any warship from 250m to 500m without a fighterbay, with the exceptions covered in the next category.
Gunship
Any warship smaller than 250m. Also, all converted freighters, regardless of their size, are lumped into this category.
:)
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Corvette
Any warship from 500m to 800m without a fighterbay.
Corvettes can have fighterbays, like the moloch. :nod:
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I use the Brit system, that goes like this:
Corvettes
Destroyers
Cruisers
Battlecruisers
Dreadnoughts/Carriers
I added in juggernaught for the Saths and the Collosus...
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Originally posted by Wildlife
Corvettes can have fighterbays, like the moloch. :nod:
But Volition didn't think of the Dropship classification. So the Moloch is no longer a Corvette, it's a dropship. :D
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i go by this:
cruiser
Tactical carrier
corvette
carrier
dreadnaught
destroyer
superdestroyer
juggernaut
with the carrier being the same size as a corvette and a dreadnaught the same size as a destroyer.
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
But Volition didn't think of the Dropship classification. So the Moloch is no longer a Corvette, it's a dropship. :D
heh, no. A dropship, it's like those little troop transport shuttles in Starship troopers. hence the name.
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Or the ones in Battletech...
The massive Overlord class things that can be used for assaults. Bastard things have 4 gauss rifles, 4 PPCs, 4 Large Lasers plus missiles...
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
But Volition didn't think of the Dropship classification. So the Moloch is no longer a Corvette, it's a dropship. :D
Thats why it sucks so much....:wink:
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::go here for your stats (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/)
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The Moloch is a corvette - [v] just wanted to distinguish it from the other corvettes by giving it a fighterbay, making up for the fact that it's not really all that good.
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No, a transport that lands things on a planet surface is just a transport. Subspace is A-1 SUPAR! :D
And, no, no atmospheric gas would go through the subspace rift, unless by some chance it was vibrating perfectly with the space time continuum along with the ship (which has less of a chance of happening than Strom Thurmond spontaneously combusting). It wouldn't matter which way the ship was going.
A cruiser/corvette-sized ship with a fighterbay would be a better description of a dropship. It goes to an area, launches its fighters (hence the "drop"), and helps in the battle. Great for hit-and-run attacks that require some punch.
So, by my designation, the Moloch is a dropship, not a corvette.
Also, it's not that crappy in battle. Sure, its turret positioning is terrible, but it has clusterbomb launchers galore, which utterly slaughters your AI wingmates if you don't take care of those turets.
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
No, a transport that lands things on a planet surface is just a transport. Subspace is A-1 SUPAR! :D
A cruiser/corvette-sized ship with a fighterbay would be a better description of a dropship. It goes to an area, launches its fighters (hence the "drop"), and helps in the battle. Great for hit-and-run attacks that require some punch.
So, by my designation, the Moloch is a dropship, not a corvette.
Except 'Drop' has stronger connotations for falling from orbit than dropping fighters.
Dropships are almost universally recognized as ships that do orbit to surface work.
A small, 'vette sized carrier would be......... an escort carrier!
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Originally posted by Shrike
Dropships are almost universally recognized as ships that do orbit to surface work.
But in the FS universe, where specialty ships like that are not needed due to the subspace drive, the "dropship" designation can be given to a different ship class.
It's a lot shorter than "escort carrier", "light carrier", "corvette which happens to have a fighterbay because it would suck otherwise", or any of those other ones. :D
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FS2 Capital Ship Setup:
Cruiser
Corvette
Destroyer
Jugernaught
Real Life (Post WW2) in terms of FS2:
Supply Ship
Frigate
Cruiser
Corvette
Battleship (Which i think is no longer in service since WW2 it was replased by the Destroyer. Battleships were made to replace the old wooden versions of the classic 1792 british flagships with a dozen cannon ball spitting cannons.:devilidea )
Destroyer
Air-Space Craft Carrier
Somewhere between Corvette and Carrier is the Flagship.
New Dawn Resolution in terms of FS2: Smallest to largest.
Cruiser (all)
Corvette - Deimos & Northamptom
Destroyer - All including the XT-01 and 02 Classes
Colony Ship - New Mecca and New Millennium Classes:wtf:
Jugernaught - All
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
But in the FS universe, where specialty ships like that are not needed due to the subspace drive, the "dropship" designation can be given to a different ship class.
It's a lot shorter than "escort carrier", "light carrier", "corvette which happens to have a fighterbay because it would suck otherwise", or any of those other ones. :D
excepted you're wrong about that subspace thinguy for landing on planets. Just look at the evacuation of Vasuda Prime in FS1. They used transports to land on the planet, not some subspace tech. And air WOULD go through the node. the vibrations are just here to open it, once this is done, anything can go through. Don't believe me? Watch the last FS1 cutscene, with the hercules, the ursas etc goig out of the Lucifer jump hole.
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Dropship by most people's definition, including mine, is a ship that carries troops/ supplies who's primary roles are to shuttle them from orbit to surface. The Moloch was designated by Volition to be a corvette, i think they had their reasons.
I also wouldn't say that volition chose to call it a corvette because they didnt think of a dropship. Is it not possible that they did think of it, but because fs2 is centered around naval battles/dogfights and not around planetary landings, that they chose not to use dropships because they would be useless in the missions? Just my 2 cents, im really against the whole notion of dropships being fighter carriers.
The GTCa Leto from my campaign is a tactical carrier, the size of a cruiser, and the only way anyone will ever get me to call it (much less designate it) a dropship is if Volition decided to make a dropship class for such ships.
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Originally posted by venom2506
excepted you're wrong about that subspace thinguy for landing on planets. Just look at the evacuation of Vasuda Prime in FS1. They used transports to land on the planet, not some subspace tech. And air WOULD go through the node. the vibrations are just here to open it, once this is done, anything can go through. Don't believe me? Watch the last FS1 cutscene, with the hercules, the ursas etc goig out of the Lucifer jump hole.
That's because the fighters and bombers were also vibrating in sync with the universe to get into subspace in the first place. Air doesn't. It wouldn't get sucked in. And I don't remember it saying anything about the transports going through the atmosphere to land on the planet. :D
Is EVERYONE against me calling a cruiser-to-corvette-sized-ship-with-a-fighterbay a Dropship? Too bad. It'll be called a dropship in my campaigns anyway. MOLOCH IS A DROPSHIP MOLOCH IS A DROPSHIP!!!! Bwahahahaha :D:p:D:p:D
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people from Utah... ;) (j/k) call it whatever you will, im just not going for the carrier=dropship.
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Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Is EVERYONE against me calling a cruiser-to-corvette-sized-ship-with-a-fighterbay a Dropship? Too bad. It'll be called a dropship in my campaigns anyway. MOLOCH IS A DROPSHIP MOLOCH IS A DROPSHIP!!!! Bwahahahaha :D:p:D:p:D
Yes, Bomber, the whole world is against you! :D
Just to put in my two cents...
Let's break down the word shall we? Dropship: first part is drop...Drop as in to go down! as in falling through a planet's atmosphere! second part is ship...means its a ship (hmmm that wasn't too hard the second part.)
So there you have it! A dropship goes down!
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So there you have it! A dropship goes down!
No no! You're wrong there: a dropship is a ship that goes down. :D
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Express elevator to hell, GOING DOWN!!!!!
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Right! Who bumped this. I want names. I want dates and I want their head on a plate!
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*looks at Tar-Palantir's last post*
eep... sorry... won't happen again i promise....
*runs*:nervous: :shaking: :shaking: :nervous:
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*shakes fist*
*stomps off to Angry Dome*
Hmm... HLP needs an Angry Dome :nod:
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Diamond Geezer prefers winter over summer
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Are you talking about size or classification?
Here's what I think how it should be:(by classification)
ratings: 1-5 (compared to size)
cruiser - small warships built for escort ( aprox. size <300m)
hull - 4, anti-cap - 3, speed - 5, aaaf - 5
corvette - fire support ships, usualy no fighters (size < 800)
hull - 4, anti-cap - 3or4, speed - 4, aaaf - 3
frigate - large fire support ships, usualy no fighters (size <1000)
hull -5, anti-cap - 5, speed - 4, aaaf - 2
destroyer - cross between a carrier and a real warship( s<2500)
hull - 4, ant-cap - 4, speed - 3, aaaf - 3, fighters - 3
battlecruiser - no fighters, built for anti-capship battle(size <3000)
hull - 5, anti-cap - 5, speed - 3, aaaf - 3
dreadnought - big versions of a destroyer (size < 6000)
hull -4, anti-cap - 4, speed - 2, aaaf - 2, fighters -3
battleship - pure warship, built to stand alone (size, aprox. 7000)
hull - 5, anti-cap - 5, speed -2, aaaf - 4
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Carriers come in diferrent sizes (from small support carriers to the big heavy carriers) Common stats for all of them are:
hull - 3, anti-cap - 2or3, speed - 4, aaaf - 2, fighters - 5
NOTE: tis stats are compared to ship size - that means that a destroyer, alltough bigger than a corvette has aprox. the same firepower becoause it carries fighters ( and they require TONS of space. That space, on a corvette is used for more armour, more firepower...)
Small ships:
Transports
Dropships
bombers
gunboats - heavy fighters (with turrets)
heavy fighters
light fighters
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Um, wtf are you guys doing bumping this thread?
Hell, look at the last post date:
02-27-2002
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So what?
Opinnions please...on the stuff above:yes:
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Originally posted by TrashMan
So what?
Opinnions please...on the stuff above:yes:
Start a new thread next time or don`t bother discussing things that have been discussed hundreds of times before.
Sound like a fair opinion?
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Originally posted by Turnsky
*looks at Tar-Palantir's last post*
eep... sorry... won't happen again i promise....
*runs*:nervous: :shaking: :shaking: :nervous:
Good grief, that was a fourteen month bump. :p
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And that definition after 14 months of a dropship as a corvette with a fighter bay is still wrong :D
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In-deed
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Shrike needs to be shot in the face
Freespace is an old game
Go **** dogs
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Originally posted by KLINE
Shrike needs to be shot in the face
Freespace is an old game
Go **** dogs
You know it's a really bad idea to pull stuff like this, right? Especially when I can find your IP. Using alt-nics doesn't work if your IP comes up the same.
Idiot.
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In the Swarm War, we're returning to the 'normal' classifications:
The Terran Factions (All four of them!)
Destroyer (Yes, I know these are
Frigate the wrong war round!)
Light Cruiser
Heavy Cruiser
Battlecruiser
Battleship
The Swarm are just slightly different....
The Swarm
Destroyer
Frigate
Cruiser
Battlecruiser
Carrier
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Originally posted by karajorma
Start a new thread next time or don`t bother discussing things that have been discussed hundreds of times before.
Sound like a fair opinion?
Excuse me, but I didn't start this thread. The ship classes ARE the topic of this thread....so it's natural for me to write about that, and expect other peoples opinions.
If you don't like it...tough!:ick
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*begins a ritual of admin summoning*
// Somebody kill this thread.....
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Trashman, I started this thread, and I let it die. Now a bunch of peeps come back with a 14-month-old bump?
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I prefer the Homeworld classification:
Corvette (Really is a Strike Craft)
Frigate (Includes Controllers, GravWells, and Cloakies)
Destroyer
Cruiser, Heavy/Dreadnaught
Carrier