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Title: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 12:39:16 am
This is what would happen if the Ravana, Lamia, and Demon had a bastard child;

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb317/Tyrkeyz/Vetalalamhead.png)
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 17, 2008, 12:40:52 am
Awesome!
Is it for TotT?

(and isn't it Vetalas? or is that plural?)
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Herra Tohtori on June 17, 2008, 12:41:05 am
Is that a kitbash or original model referencing some known old goodies?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 12:43:19 am
Awesome!
Is it for TotT?

(and isn't it Vetalas? or is that plural?)

Well we're sort of pending on a vote.. lamia head or ravana head  :(

Edit@Herra: Its mainly the ravana and lamia models disected and thrown back together, but some of it is custom such as the turrets and underside bays
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 17, 2008, 12:50:34 am
Lamia Head.
With a Ravana head, its a symmetrical Ravana, which is boring.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 12:57:17 am
Yes, but we already have a station which is basicly an enlarged lamia head...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on June 17, 2008, 02:12:16 am
Could be, but this just looks awesome. Oh well, if you really want something else, perhaps a Sathanas head would look good too.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: ShadowGorrath on June 17, 2008, 04:10:42 am
No. This one looks much better than a Sathanas or Ravana ones would.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Titan on June 17, 2008, 06:55:42 am
flip it so that the lamia is rifght side up. it just looks wierd now...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Galemp on June 17, 2008, 10:52:04 am
Let's have a look at the belly.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: nubbles526 on June 17, 2008, 10:57:36 am
Now that monster looks really mean  :shaking:
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Tantalus53 on June 17, 2008, 11:07:52 am
Holy Hell, that looks /amazing/
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 17, 2008, 12:07:02 pm
Alroght, Hellstryker,  guess it officialy stays the way it's posted.
To be featured in TotT.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 12:19:27 pm
flip it so that the lamia is rifght side up. it just looks wierd now...

I like it this way, adds a bit of a twist. Plus most the tiigran ships are laid out with two wings below one wing on top
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 12:22:32 pm
Let's have a look at the belly.
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb317/Tyrkeyz/VetalaUnderside.png)

EDIT: SCa Vetala does not approve. (of true****)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb317/Tyrkeyz/SDW.png)
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Titan on June 17, 2008, 01:08:10 pm
lol, quit complaining about that **** and get something else!  :p
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 17, 2008, 01:18:03 pm
Ehh not that great IMO but okay I guess.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 01:43:34 pm
lol, quit complaining about that **** and get something else!  :p

I use sketchup, I just did the true**** render for the lulz
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on June 17, 2008, 02:10:38 pm
Does SCa mean "Shivan Carrier"? It looks like the front should have 3 LReds, making it a heavy destroyer.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 02:49:47 pm
3 MReds, actually. And although it does boast massive firepower it's a SLOW ****er, slower than a levi. and besides all that it has 6 fighterbays
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 17, 2008, 02:51:22 pm
Six? I only see four fighter bays (two Ravana-Style, two Demon-style).

How powerful are your MREDs?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 03:17:37 pm
Look closely at the two on the sides, they're actually 4 bays
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 17, 2008, 03:42:50 pm
They're identical to the one on the port side of the Ravana, which is counted as one fighter bay in my books, as it is one subsystem and one set of spawn paths. Meh. Its your ship.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Jake2447 on June 17, 2008, 04:10:42 pm
looks great
it could spawn multiple configs
with lamia head its elite (think shivan SOC)
with a ravana or a demon head, it would look more shivan though
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 17, 2008, 04:20:18 pm
This ship should have not been published...
Don't spoil too much anyone...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 17, 2008, 05:20:22 pm
Edit@Herra: Its mainly the ravana and lamia models disected and thrown back together, but some of it is custom such as the turrets and underside bays

Just wondering, where did you get the model files for the Ravana and Lamia. Moreover, are there the non-pof models for the HTL Demon (TrashMan's) and HTL Moloch floating around somewhere, or will I have to regurgitate them from the POFs?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: blowfish on June 17, 2008, 05:56:21 pm
They were probably converted from the POFs.  There are a few methods of doing this, I find that POF -> COB -> Blender -> 3ds works fine for SketchUp.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 17, 2008, 06:28:31 pm
Dude.. just do POF to 3ds with Lith Unwrap.. you don't need to do all that **** :p
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: blowfish on June 17, 2008, 06:35:15 pm
Forgot about that ... :nervous:
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Rico on June 20, 2008, 02:44:18 am
Looks awesome  :drevil:
Any chance of a public release for other mods to use, their are few good Shivan ships out there  :(
Hope so  :D
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 20, 2008, 02:56:42 am
It'll come out along with some unpublished nasty ships in chapter 2 or 3 of the TotT, which is in 5-8 months probably... but it's coming out for sure.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Warp Shadow on June 20, 2008, 09:32:06 pm
Why couldn't they have used that instead of the fugly sathanas?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 20, 2008, 09:33:53 pm
The Sathanas isn't fugly! >.<
However, this thing IS nice.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 20, 2008, 10:36:59 pm
Well I think he means it makes the Sath look fugly, and I would have to agree... even if it is a disected ravana/lamia
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 21, 2008, 03:43:47 am
I don't get what's so good about it... IMO it's just pug ugly (not that it's a bad ship, just ugly).
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 21, 2008, 11:12:00 am
It looks like a fusion between the two ships, try stretching the head to make it look original...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 21, 2008, 11:27:25 am
It looks good IMHO.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 21, 2008, 11:38:22 am
But the stretching could improve it...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 21, 2008, 11:41:47 am
Maybe.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 21, 2008, 11:45:32 am
It's a very nice model, I don't want it to be the child of a Ravana and Lamia
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 21, 2008, 11:48:40 am
It's a very nice model, I don't want it to be the child of a Ravana and Lamia
Not a child, a bastard.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 21, 2008, 01:04:55 pm
I don't like that word for obvious reasons, ok?[/color
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 21, 2008, 02:05:52 pm
****, man, I'm really sorry about that. :(
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 21, 2008, 03:28:08 pm
Man, don't be such a ****ing retard, Snail.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 21, 2008, 03:29:23 pm
lol.
IMO, its fine as it is. Stretching might ruin it.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 21, 2008, 03:59:12 pm
Man, don't be such a ****ing retard, Snail.
How?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 21, 2008, 04:37:55 pm
Well first off if I stretch it everything gets stretched, turrets and fighterbays included, and besides, it'll just make it look ugly
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Jake2447 on June 21, 2008, 04:57:24 pm
Well first off if I stretch it everything gets stretched, turrets and fighterbays included, and besides, it'll just make it look ugly

i think mobius meant just the head
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 21, 2008, 05:19:16 pm
Doesn't matter... the head has turrets...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 21, 2008, 05:26:07 pm
For once I agree with Mobius.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Jake2447 on June 22, 2008, 09:00:31 am
Doesn't matter... the head has turrets...

You could remove and replace them.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 09:21:59 am
As I said stretching the head will make the model look like something original, not a fusion between a Ravana and a Lamia...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Titan on June 22, 2008, 09:52:32 am
you mean make the Lamia head longer, so that its sorta like a 3-pronged gargant head?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 22, 2008, 09:54:01 am
Yup.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 11:38:28 am
Stretching the spikes and not the whole head should be enough.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 22, 2008, 11:41:27 am
Yeah.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 11:45:11 am
I'm not sure, but...you could even add more turrets on the stretched spikes.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 22, 2008, 12:08:05 pm
I'm not sure, but...you could even add more turrets on the stretched spikes.
:nod:
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 12:19:49 pm
Glad to realize that my ideas are welcome :)

Any info regarding its capabilities? From the title I know it's a carrier...
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 22, 2008, 12:38:43 pm
6 fighterbays and a few MReds IIRC.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 22, 2008, 12:49:20 pm
We're thinking of a Subspace Rift now (to be seen used by Lamias in the demo, which is hopefully due to be released any week- possibly this week). How powerfull, and why as powerfull will remain a mystery for now.
Everything else (maybe other than more screenshots) shall also remain a mystery untill it's released with a later chapter of Teeth of the Tiger.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 12:50:48 pm
We're thinking of a Subspace Rift now (to be seen used by Lamias in the demo, which is hopefully due to be released any week- possibly this week). How powerfull, and why as powerfull will remain a mystery for now.
Everything else (maybe other than more screenshots) shall also remain a mystery untill it's released with a later chapter of Teeth of the Tiger.

May I know why Lamia cruisers use that kind of weapon? Isn't that illogical?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 22, 2008, 12:52:56 pm
Dude, if you knew that, it would spoil 1/3 of the demo's, and 1/4 of the whole mod's story... :p
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 12:57:06 pm
I don't mean the reasons, I mean the fact that a cruiser can do that. It's illogical unless you backup that action.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 22, 2008, 12:58:26 pm
The fact that the Shivans are uber cool?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Mobius on June 22, 2008, 01:07:03 pm
As far as I know only a ship as big as the Sathanas can do that.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Snail on June 22, 2008, 01:07:38 pm
And what's to say smaller ships can't do it?
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 22, 2008, 01:14:24 pm
"The Sath has just been obsoleted! No more messing around with those logistical nightmares known as juggernauts to make subspace rifts and blow up stars! Get a cluster of cruisers to do the same thing at 1/100th the cost!"
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 22, 2008, 01:18:36 pm
Obviously it's not going to nuke stars with it, rather cut ships to pieces like the Lucifer was cut'n'half in the FS 1 endgame cutscene. And it's a subspace rift rather than some yet other uber beam because it looks cooler in-game and makes the story better too.

And I have a d*** huge temptation to write about the fact that the Shivans seen in FS 1 and 2 are

Spoiler:
HAHA- gotcha  :p
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Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 22, 2008, 01:22:10 pm
So...the "Subspace Rift" moves like a blob? O_o
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: BengalTiger on June 22, 2008, 01:34:31 pm
Nope... it works in a very similar way to the ones the Saths used, only the small cruiser rift hits ships (instantly). You'll see in the demo.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 22, 2008, 07:00:56 pm
6 fighterbays and a few MReds IIRC.

also 5 AAA beams... very hard to bomb
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 22, 2008, 08:27:15 pm
 :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: 5 AAAs? That's way too many!!
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 22, 2008, 08:29:24 pm
Not really, it depends on how much field of fire they have, and where they are located.
You could replace every single one of the Orion's top and bottom guns with AAAs and it'll still be just as weak to bomber strikes, since the sides are undefended.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 22, 2008, 08:36:13 pm
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: 5 AAAs? That's way too many!!
/sarcasm
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 22, 2008, 08:37:00 pm
*facepalm*
Sarcasm doesn't travel well over the web.

That, or I'm sarcasm impaired.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 22, 2008, 08:42:55 pm
The second one.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Jake2447 on June 22, 2008, 08:52:59 pm
5 AAAs really isnt that many for a destroyer
the hecate has six
the levi has 4 and its a cruiser
even the aten has 2 and it only has 6 turrets total!
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Droid803 on June 22, 2008, 08:57:38 pm
But for a Shivan destroyer, five is a lot.

The Ravana has 2
The Demon has 2
The Moloch has none
All Shivan cruisers have 1

Not that it matters though.
Five SAAAs are roughly equivalent to 4 AAAfs due to SAAAs being weaker.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Tantalus53 on June 23, 2008, 07:43:36 am
But for a Shivan destroyer, five is a lot.

The Ravana has 2
The Demon has 2
The Moloch has none
All Shivan cruisers have 1

Not that it matters though.
Five SAAAs are roughly equivalent to 4 AAAfs due to SAAAs being weaker.

Yeah, and its a carrier... should be better defended against fighter/bomber wings than just a destroyer.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: lefkos on June 23, 2008, 08:30:14 am
5 to much?
 the phobos of INF has 10 AAAfs...  and its a frakking corvette
yeh it is inferno but its still way overpowerd (but that makes it sorta cool though)

maybe 4 or 6 
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 23, 2008, 09:05:38 am
It isn't too much, IMO it's slightly underpowered.
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Commander Zane on June 23, 2008, 03:13:36 pm
Now if they were ULTRA-AAAFs... ;7
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 23, 2008, 06:11:08 pm
It isn't too much, IMO it's slightly underpowered.

Yeah, so would I, if I didnt' bother to look at where they would be... seems as how the entire rear end is covered, as is the top and the bottom, and let's face it, you don't want to be in front of it when it fires...  :beamz:
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Getter Robo G on June 30, 2008, 12:58:03 pm
Looks really good, any estimate of when we'll get to see some in game pics?
 :yes:
Title: Re: SCa Vetala
Post by: Hellstryker on June 30, 2008, 01:43:34 pm
When the TotT chapter one is released, and all I can say on that is before next year