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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: BloodEagle on June 24, 2008, 12:01:54 pm

Title: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: BloodEagle on June 24, 2008, 12:01:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imgdpz_0m-8

Did he just fire a double-barreled shotgun three times!?

Yes, I know it was just a bad edit.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Fury on June 24, 2008, 12:09:21 pm
:wtf:

Why is it that asians can produce more interesting movie trailers than Hollywood can produce full length movies.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Flipside on June 24, 2008, 12:27:33 pm
Because whilst they do not have the ability to produce 'Hollywood Style' mega-budget movies, they still have one thing that has been lost in all the glitz of Hollywood. The simply ability to tell a story.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Uchuujinsan on June 24, 2008, 12:31:35 pm
Storytelling is overrated  :>
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: BloodEagle on June 24, 2008, 12:36:20 pm
Storytelling is overrated  :>

INFIDEL!!!  :mad:
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: NGTM-1R on June 24, 2008, 02:44:44 pm
:wtf:

Why is it that asians can produce more interesting movie trailers than Hollywood can produce full length movies.

Failure to constrain themselves with reality?
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Flipside on June 24, 2008, 02:55:09 pm
:wtf:

Why is it that asians can produce more interesting movie trailers than Hollywood can produce full length movies.

Failure to constrain themselves with reality?

Actually, that's pretty close to the truth. Storytelling is about being able to leap beyond 'reality' in a way that the audience can accept. Hollywood have confused this with 'good special effects', and yet Frankenstein, King Kong and several other films weren't about the effects, which were cheap and tacky by todays standards, they were about knowing how to present a movie in a way that captured the imagination.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Flipside on June 24, 2008, 03:01:11 pm
Double Post:

Actually another thought comes to me. If that train scene had been filmed in Hollywood these days, it would have involved a set of the train internals, a green screen, a smoke machine and a big fan. Whereas in the East it would involve a Train, a length of Track and a lot of actors, I wonder if the lack of external 'stimulus' has an effect on the quality of the scene in some way?
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Jeff Vader on June 24, 2008, 03:01:42 pm
:wtf:

Why is it that asians can produce more interesting movie trailers than Hollywood can produce full length movies.

Failure to constrain themselves with reality?

Actually, that's pretty close to the truth. Storytelling is about being able to leap beyond 'reality' in a way that the audience can accept. Hollywood have confused this with 'good special effects', and yet Frankenstein, King Kong and several other films weren't about the effects, which were cheap and tacky by todays standards, they were about knowing how to present a movie in a way that captured the imagination.
Now that you mentioned it, has anyone watched Sapphire & Steel? A low-ish budget British scifi-horror series from the early 80's? The effects sucked, especially since I saw the series for the first time roughly 20 years after the original run. But darn it, it scared the **** out of me. The storytelling and the atmosphere were so... oppressive. And visual effects aren't the only effect type. Sound is important as well and there's nothing like an already spooky scene with a group of children going "Upstairs, downstairs. Upstairs, downstairs..." in the background, possibly with some delay effects.

Ah, good  times.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Flipside on June 24, 2008, 03:02:50 pm
:wtf:

Why is it that asians can produce more interesting movie trailers than Hollywood can produce full length movies.

Failure to constrain themselves with reality?

Actually, that's pretty close to the truth. Storytelling is about being able to leap beyond 'reality' in a way that the audience can accept. Hollywood have confused this with 'good special effects', and yet Frankenstein, King Kong and several other films weren't about the effects, which were cheap and tacky by todays standards, they were about knowing how to present a movie in a way that captured the imagination.
Now that you mentioned it, has anyone watched Sapphire & Steel? A low-ish budget British scifi-horror series from the early 80's? The effects sucked, especially since I saw the series for the first time roughly 20 years after the original run. But darn it, it scared the **** out of me. The storytelling and the atmosphere were so... oppressive. And visual effects aren't the only effect type. Sound is important as well and there's nothing like an already spooky scene with a choir of children going "Upstairs, downstairs. Upstairs, downstairs..." in the background.

Ah, good  times.
One episode sticks in my mind, the very last, with the soldier singing...

'Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag....'


That epsiode gave me the willies for weeks on end.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Mika on June 24, 2008, 04:00:41 pm
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Why is it that asians can produce more interesting movie trailers than Hollywood can produce full length movies.

By what account? It looked like another Hollywood movie for me. Listen Spede's Western theme (Haaskalinnut), it has more Western attitude than the trailer in Youtube. I also expect the movie would sport a standard Japanese Plot, having twists, pirouettes, somersaults and backflips to no end until you feel the urge to shout "Stop kidding and get over it already!"

For me, a good Western (or Western type movie) has always been such that the action is kept as quick as possible, and as effective as possible. The thing is that whenever people died (good or bad) in old Western, you felt it.

I reckon most people don't even have patience to watch an old Western anymore. And current actors cannot even play a role in Western anymore. This is probably why there is no more interesting movies in the theater - and what a shame that is! The sound and picture have never been clearer!

Bah, I need a vacation. Complaining about something in internet, like it would change anything... waste of words (and energy).

Mika
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Flipside on June 24, 2008, 04:02:42 pm
The only thing concerned me was the fact they chose to use 'Don't let me be misunderstood' as the music, sounded kind of odd all things considered.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: tinfoil on June 24, 2008, 05:14:01 pm
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Complaining about something in internet, like it would change anything... waste of words (and energy).

QFT
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 24, 2008, 08:11:03 pm
Storytelling is overrated  :>
BURN ALIEN!

And its a Korean production, Mika.

Speaking of Asian movies, anyone seen Dragon Wars ? Its a Korean produced movie, and I think its pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: haloboy100 on June 24, 2008, 10:20:38 pm
I don't give a **** about the quality of a trailer, more about how well it tells the movie.

Though this one looks particularly cheesy, complete with crappy one-liners ("Just my luck").
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Kosh on June 25, 2008, 08:15:37 am
Cheesy = fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: haloboy100 on June 25, 2008, 09:16:00 am
I never liked it :ick:
Title: Re: The Good, the Bad, and the Weird
Post by: Mika on June 25, 2008, 04:03:33 pm
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And its a Korean production, Mika.

I know. A standard Japanese Plot means a plot that is twisted beyond belief. As a metaphor, think Hollywood movie plot as a single string of spaghetti (and quite short that kind). A Standard Japanese Plot would be like watching into a kettle full of spaghetti, made of a single string. A common thing in movies coming from general region of Asia. For a reference in gaming, look at Resident Evil 4 and Metal Gears. Also, see movie Wild Things, which is an example of such plot. Makes you want to go and grab the director and shout "Get over with it already! Do I need to bring in the axe?!!!"

Mika