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Title: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Kosh on June 29, 2008, 07:33:06 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7477310.stm


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Martian soil appears to contain sufficient nutrients to support life - or, at least, asparagus - Nasa scientists believe.

Preliminary analysis by the $420m (£210m) Phoenix Mars Lander mission on the planet's soil found it to be much more alkaline than expected.

Scientists working on the spacecraft project said they were "flabbergasted" by the discovery.

The find has raised hopes conditions on Mars may be favourable for life.

"We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life, whether past, present or future," said Sam Kounaves, the project's lead chemist, from the University of Arizona.


Why wasn't this posted earlier? This is one of the most important discoveries related to mars.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Blue Lion on June 29, 2008, 11:01:05 pm
Now if only my backyard can do the same  :sigh:
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 29, 2008, 11:45:07 pm
... Starsiege, here we come.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: WMCoolmon on June 30, 2008, 01:34:04 am
Sweet. Can't wait 'til we're landing missions on mars to grow Asparagus...

...and then the Asparagus will take over, grow all over the planet, and wipe out any evidence or existence of indigent life on the planet, just like in Isaac Asimov's Elijah Baley mysteries.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on June 30, 2008, 02:44:17 am
Asparagus and Brocoli are originally from another planet and were imported by aliens many thousands of years ago
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: WMCoolmon on June 30, 2008, 03:02:37 am
Asparagus and Brocoli are originally from another planet and were imported by aliens many thousands of years ago

Friggin' Mercora...
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 30, 2008, 05:20:48 am
Friggin' Mercora...
I'm glad the Animorphs blew them off the face of the Earth.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: NGTM-1R on June 30, 2008, 08:25:56 am
... Starsiege, here we come.

I hearby dub you "Duster"
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: nubbles526 on June 30, 2008, 09:24:22 am
Reminds me of INFA....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7477310.stm


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Martian soil appears to contain sufficient nutrients to support life - or, at least, asparagus - Nasa scientists believe.

Preliminary analysis by the $420m (£210m) Phoenix Mars Lander mission on the planet's soil found it to be much more alkaline than expected.

Scientists working on the spacecraft project said they were "flabbergasted" by the discovery.

The find has raised hopes conditions on Mars may be favourable for life.

"We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life, whether past, present or future," said Sam Kounaves, the project's lead chemist, from the University of Arizona.


Why wasn't this posted earlier? This is one of the most important discoveries related to mars.

$420m to buld that space thing? Man....just imagine just building the spacecraft needed to TRANSPORT the Asparagus seed to Mars. :doubt:

Alkali? Oh I see....so basically we should add Martian Soil into our bleaching agents, washing agents etc.

Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Hellstryker on June 30, 2008, 04:19:21 pm
You know, don't you find it odd, with rich soil, and all that Co2 that theres not one blade of grass up there?  :wtf:
And since mars once had liquid water, it almost certainly once supported life...
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on June 30, 2008, 04:47:46 pm
Wasn't there a recent theory about a huge impact on mars?  If so maybe it destroyed the atmosphere and covered all eveidence of life under dust.  Without the necessary atmosphere what life remains just hasn't adapted enough to return to the surface. 
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Hellstryker on June 30, 2008, 04:49:12 pm
That's the stupiest theory i've ever heard. By that same theory we shouldn't be here right now  :doubt:
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on June 30, 2008, 04:51:18 pm
Friggin' Mercora...
I'm glad the Animorphs blew them off the face of the Earth.

Nice to see im not the only Animorphs fan on HLP....
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on June 30, 2008, 04:53:46 pm
That's the stupiest theory i've ever heard. By that same theory we shouldn't be here right now  :doubt:

The dinosaurs aren't and Earth still has it's atmosphere and liquid water.  It may have been easier for life to adapt to underground conditions then return to the surface. 
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Fenrir on June 30, 2008, 05:40:58 pm
Oh man, I remember that Animorphs stuff. Good times, those were...
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on June 30, 2008, 05:47:19 pm
Hell yes...

Silly idea for a FS mod that will NEVER be made:
If we can get it together and draw some consistant concept art and find some capable modelers, then we could make an Animorphs TC...

But that will NEVER happen...EVER
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Fenrir on June 30, 2008, 05:55:11 pm
I`d play it...

But it won`t happen.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on June 30, 2008, 06:14:00 pm
It just one of those things taht would be cool to play but will never happen
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Unknown Target on June 30, 2008, 06:19:19 pm
Hell yes...

Silly idea for a FS mod that will NEVER be made:
If we can get it together and draw some consistant concept art and find some capable modelers, then we could make an Animorphs TC...

But that will NEVER happen...EVER

Jesus. Christ. I've kept my mouth shut, but GUYS. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH FREESPACE 2!!!!! Jesus, it's like every thread I go into it's "That was an excellent movie, I applaud the director's vision" and five posts down it's "OMG IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF THE SHIVANS WERE IN IT LOL :drevil:!!!!". Just STOP. Goddamn.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Kosh on June 30, 2008, 06:20:15 pm
Wasn't there a recent theory about a huge impact on mars?  If so maybe it destroyed the atmosphere and covered all eveidence of life under dust.  Without the necessary atmosphere what life remains just hasn't adapted enough to return to the surface. 


I think the most likely explanation  is that it's core became cold and just......stopped. This explains why mars' magnetic field is almost non-existent.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Fenrir on June 30, 2008, 06:50:05 pm
Jesus. Christ. I've kept my mouth shut, but GUYS. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH FREESPACE 2!!!!! Jesus, it's like every thread I go into it's "That was an excellent movie, I applaud the director's vision" and five posts down it's "OMG IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF THE SHIVANS WERE IN IT LOL :drevil:!!!!". Just STOP. Goddamn.

Who said anything about shivans? He mentioned a TC, implying a standalone, shivanless universe. Also, it`s not like it will happen anyways.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Unknown Target on June 30, 2008, 07:52:06 pm
It's the fact that he wants an Animorphs Freespace mod! It's like your guys' lives revolve around taking everything and somehow turning it into something Freespace, and if anything new comes along in the space sim genre, it's immediately is "ripping off Freespace".

This forum has gone from a close knit community of dedicated modders for an old and beloved game, to a forum full of obsessive fanbois who haven't been playing the game for longer than a year or two.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 30, 2008, 08:25:41 pm
I've not been here for very long, but I do have to agree that trying to make everything into a FS mod of some sort is slowly wearing out.

Besides, the Animorphs would never work.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: blackhole on June 30, 2008, 09:11:00 pm
Hell yes...

Silly idea for a FS mod that will NEVER be made:
If we can get it together and draw some consistant concept art and find some capable modelers, then we could make an Animorphs TC...

But that will NEVER happen...EVER

Jesus. Christ. I've kept my mouth shut, but GUYS. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH FREESPACE 2!!!!! Jesus, it's like every thread I go into it's "That was an excellent movie, I applaud the director's vision" and five posts down it's "OMG IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF THE SHIVANS WERE IN IT LOL :drevil:!!!!". Just STOP. Goddamn.

You fail to realise that this thing happens in every single mod community. Freelancer was just as bad, except they made a proboards forum, got some coders together, and wrote up a pre-alpha with NEW SYSTEMS OMG before realising how unbelievably retarded it was.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Blue Lion on June 30, 2008, 09:22:54 pm
How the hell did this get on FS?
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Bobboau on June 30, 2008, 09:59:43 pm
I like asparagus so hopefully they will get to farming soon.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 01, 2008, 12:24:45 am
Me too, it's really good with that sweet mustard sauce.

But more importantly it would give us a way to feed people on Earth, if we could figure out some way to get it back here.

It would also make for some great science fiction...

"Sam had long dreamed of making his way to the Asparagus colonies of Mars. It had taken him nine years, hard work, and a significant portion of his life savings to earn passage on the space liner - but here he finally was. He closed his eyes and lay back in the soft chair. He could almost see it now - the towering stalks of Asparagus, swaying slowly in the shallow atmosphere of Mars, a healthy green beneath the warm red tint of the sky. He'd managed to haggle a sizable plot of land, with a space bubble big enough for a small family. His kids, too, would grow up to be famous Asparagus farmers, taking their father's of Empire of green gold to Venus, possibly even Mercury."
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Stormkeeper on July 01, 2008, 12:33:09 am
It would also make for some great science fiction...

"Sam had long dreamed of making his way to the Asparagus colonies of Mars. It had taken him nine years, hard work, and a significant portion of his life savings to earn passage on the space liner - but here he finally was. He closed his eyes and lay back in the soft chair. He could almost see it now - the towering stalks of Asparagus, swaying slowly in the shallow atmosphere of Mars, a healthy green beneath the warm red tint of the sky. He'd managed to haggle a sizable plot of land, with a space bubble big enough for a small family. His kids, too, would grow up to be famous Asparagus farmers, taking their father's of Empire of green gold to Venus, possibly even Mercury."
"And in other news, Microsoft's position as one of the companies with the highest yearly turnover was ursurped by Sam Asparagus Pte. Ltd...."
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Hellstryker on July 01, 2008, 12:50:34 am
Lord how I wish...  :(
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Kosh on July 01, 2008, 01:18:26 am
I like asparagus so hopefully they will get to farming soon.


Trouble is the Martian atmosphere is extremely thin.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Bobboau on July 01, 2008, 01:30:25 am
oh pish, I think we can handle rebuilding it, especially considering what it's made of.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 04:12:50 am
Hell yes...

Silly idea for a FS mod that will NEVER be made:
If we can get it together and draw some consistant concept art and find some capable modelers, then we could make an Animorphs TC...

But that will NEVER happen...EVER

Jesus. Christ. I've kept my mouth shut, but GUYS. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH FREESPACE 2!!!!! Jesus, it's like every thread I go into it's "That was an excellent movie, I applaud the director's vision" and five posts down it's "OMG IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF THE SHIVANS WERE IN IT LOL :drevil:!!!!". Just STOP. Goddamn.

Dude i said it was a Sillly idea that will never ever happen. Besides i only mentioned it as a Joke  - same as a a seaquest mod - nioce but wont happen. I never siad anything bout shivans anyway
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 01, 2008, 06:29:17 am
Animorphs. . . .
If you're referring to the books with a tv-series which aired in the uk at some point..
 
 
 
Stop it. Animorphs suck.
Starsiege however would be cool. >>imperial knights for the muttafrakkin win<<
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 06:44:01 am
It was a JOKE...
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Unknown Target on July 01, 2008, 07:00:48 am
Failtrain. :p

At any rate, have they made any more significant discoveries?
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 07:07:27 am
Yess martians ARE green:

(http://www.drwhoexhibitions.co.uk/images/Longleat/icewarrior1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 01, 2008, 08:25:08 am
Mars attacks and x-com lead me to believe they're grey. Where is your source material? ;D
On a lighter note, could this lead to an algae style terraform like that film with the killer monkey robot on loan from the marines?
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Wobble73 on July 01, 2008, 08:34:38 am
Mars attacks and x-com lead me to believe they're grey. Where is your source material? ;D
On a lighter note, could this lead to an algae style terraform like that film with the killer monkey robot on loan from the marines?

You see Dekker, that's what trumps you when posting from your phone, he posted a picture!  :lol:
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 08:42:41 am
Mars attacks and x-com lead me to believe they're grey. Where is your source material? ;D
On a lighter note, could this lead to an algae style terraform like that film with the killer monkey robot on loan from the marines?

Doctor Who - story from 1967/8
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 01, 2008, 09:19:10 am
I only watched it properly from the doc before Tennant. Anyway companions tend to become call girls according to ITV.
God i'm baking. I'm off home to get a cold drink of juice.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: karajorma on July 01, 2008, 09:25:53 am
I only watched it properly from the doc before Tennant. Anyway companions tend to become call girls according to ITV.

You say that as if it's a bad thing to see Billie Piper naked!
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 01, 2008, 09:33:26 am
No it's a bad thing when the good looking girls start charging for the right to oggle ;D
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Mobius on July 01, 2008, 11:12:13 am
INFA :drevil:
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: WMCoolmon on July 01, 2008, 02:13:59 pm
Animorphs. . . .
If you're referring to the books with a tv-series which aired in the uk at some point..

The TV series was unrepresentative of the books. It looked like it was written and produced by a total aristh.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 02:48:55 pm
Too right. The books were far superior to the TV series.

The TV series had potential, but it was never used.

Like Dune.

The David Lynch and Alan Smithee cuts of the film were wer good efforts, but between them too much was either left on the cutting room floor or left out all together for either to be a good adaptation of the book.

Like
*The Lynch cut is missing extra scenes in the Lynch cut (BUT not the animated prologue or all those repeated "stockfootage" type bits)
*the Smithee cut is missing the element that make Baron Harkonnen the "Bloody Baron" he is in the Lych cut. - Granted none of it was in the book, but it works for the character. and the scene where he unpluggs that guy makes him a better villain
*Both versions have very minor use of the Lansaraad(Sp?) and maor player Count Fenrig is missing.
*No mention at all of the existance or death of Leto Atreides II - the Elder
*Both cuts lack the death of Thufir Hawat and his machinations within House Harkonnen
*Both lack the original ending of the book - they use that stupid "Paul make it rain" ending
*Not in the book but both versions are missing a scene showing a character called Nefud being tortured
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Nuke on July 01, 2008, 03:15:55 pm
im gonna move to mars and start a little weed farm :D

oh and both versions leaves out the fact that paul has some harkonnen blood in him (from lady jessica's side).

yea i hope the 3rd attempt at a dune movie/miniseries works better than the last 2. lynch dune is the furthest off but its really awesome in terms of how its stylized. the scifi version was more true to the book and had couple of the books as a sequal. what i hope happens is that the movie inspires the scifi channel to continue making miniseries out of the remaining books, giving us god emperor, heretics, and chapterhouse in movie form. that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 03:18:39 pm
Red Weed of course... ;)
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Snail on July 01, 2008, 03:20:22 pm
Red Weed of course... ;)
Who's blood?
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Nuke on July 01, 2008, 03:31:32 pm
yours

*s//ash*
*d/ead*
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Hellstryker on July 01, 2008, 03:49:29 pm
THE SPICE WEED MUST FLOW
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on July 01, 2008, 03:50:49 pm
Somewhat related: It used to rain on Mars (http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/New_Soil_Analysis_Suggests_It_Rained_On_Mars_Long_Ago_999.html)
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 03:56:20 pm
 :sigh: Looks like im the only one who read War of the Worlds
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Snail on July 01, 2008, 04:26:29 pm
:sigh: Looks like im the only one who read War of the Worlds
Yeah we all watched it with Tom Cruise looking like a gay idiot.

Anyway.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: karajorma on July 01, 2008, 05:18:00 pm
:sigh: Looks like im the only one who read War of the Worlds

Not quite. :p
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 05:56:57 pm
Yay- I'm not alone
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 01, 2008, 06:00:46 pm
I like the album.
With the ironclad song on it. You know the one i mean.
Ps - when i read the above post i heard the end song from an officer and a gentleman playing. . . . I think i need to re-hydrate.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Stormkeeper on July 01, 2008, 08:18:17 pm
Actually Snail, he said read, and not watched. The original books were the reason I got so into Sci Fi.

No it's a bad thing when the good looking girls start charging for the right to oggle ;D
Or girls who go from "boing" to "droop"

If Mars could support life, then we need to invent lasers and stuff fast. Before the Cybrids come.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Retsof on July 01, 2008, 10:31:40 pm
:sigh: Looks like im the only one who read War of the Worlds
I DID!
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Stormkeeper on July 01, 2008, 10:38:29 pm
Most people probably did.
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: terran_emperor on July 01, 2008, 11:03:53 pm
Not many of my genaration that i personally know...Im only 20...most people i know have never read the book...

I like the album.
With the ironclad song on it. You know the one i mean.
Ps - when i read the above post i heard the end song from an officer and a gentleman playing. . . . I think i need to re-hydrate.

I love the album - its my Favourite version of the story.

and the song you are thinking of is titled "Thunderchild"
Title: Re: Mars soil can support life
Post by: Wobble73 on July 02, 2008, 04:18:29 am
Not many of my genaration that i personally know...Im only 20...most people i know have never read the book...

I like the album.
With the ironclad song on it. You know the one i mean.
Ps - when i read the above post i heard the end song from an officer and a gentleman playing. . . . I think i need to re-hydrate.

I love the album - its my Favourite version of the story.

and the song you are thinking of is titled "Thunderchild"

Yeah the (Double) Album is brilliant. "Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds" is superb for seventies music. David Essex singing "A brave new world" is classic!

And yeah I got the red weed reference, nod to Nuke weed farm on Mars.

Nuke, if you ever need someone to try out your Red weed, let us know!  ;)